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Ignitionnet 26-04-2010 16:26

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35008429)
It will never happen unless the Lib Dems do hold control. It's also quite conceivable that an alliance can take place if the Tories concede Civil Liberties and Voting reform and the Liberal Democrats let the Tories dictate economic policy.

That would work so long as they do let the Tories do what needs to be done which is extremely unlikely to go down well given the socialist nature of many Lib Dems.

danielf 26-04-2010 16:28

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35008429)
It will never happen unless the Lib Dems do hold control. It's also quite conceivable that an alliance can take place if the Tories concede Civil Liberties and Voting reform and the Liberal Democrats let the Tories dictate economic policy.

I doubt the Tories would concede on electoral reform. The current system doesn't work in their favour, but under PR (or any representative voting system) they will face 2 parties on the left flank, which will seriously decrease their chances of getting in.

Xaccers 26-04-2010 16:32

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35008435)
I doubt the Tories would concede on electoral reform. The current system doesn't work in their favour, but under PR (or any representative voting system) they will face 2 parties on the left flank, which will seriously decrease their chances of getting in.

Lets see
PR - vote for the party not the candidate
STV - vote for the candidate you don't want the least
Equal population constituencies - every vote is equal, vote for the candidate not the party

danielf 26-04-2010 16:36

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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 35008437)
Lets see
PR - vote for the party not the candidate
STV - vote for the candidate you don't want the least
Equal population constituencies - every vote is equal, vote for the candidate not the party

I think this vote for the candidate thing is a bit of a misnomer. At the end of the day they get elected to run the country and party politics supersede local matters. It makes sense to vote for the party.

Xaccers 26-04-2010 16:42

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35008439)
I think this vote for the candidate thing is a bit of a misnomer. At the end of the day they get elected to run the country and party politics supersede local matters. It makes sense to vote for the party.

Really?
Tell that to those who've had to call on their MP for support.
MPs do not "run the country" unless in the cabinet, and even then it's the civil service under them that do the running.
A single backbencher in parliment has very little power in the HoC, but in the local area they can save lives.
If they're good of course.
You could be lumbered with someone like Margret Moran. Ask the Luton South constituents if they'd be happy to vote for her over a different candidate. I know several who would rather have their fingernails removed.

I'd rather the Tory idea of reducing the size of the HoC and resizing constituencies so they are equal.

danielf 26-04-2010 16:48

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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 35008441)
Really?
Tell that to those who've had to call on their MP for support.
MPs do not "run the country" unless in the cabinet, and even then it's the civil service under them that do the running.
A single backbencher in parliment has very little power in the HoC, but in the local area they can save lives.
If they're good of course.
You could be lumbered with someone like Margret Moran. Ask the Luton South constituents if they'd be happy to vote for her over a different candidate. I know several who would rather have their fingernails removed.

I'd rather the Tory idea of reducing the size of the HoC and resizing constituencies so they are equal.

Oh, I do like the link to local constituencies, but at the end of the day MPs do vote on the laws drawn up by the government, and the colour of your local MP does help decide what Government gets in, so it seems silly to just choose the candidate without considering if you agree with his/her party's plans.

Xaccers 26-04-2010 16:50

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35008444)
Oh, I do like the link to local constituencies, but at the end of the day MPs do vote on the laws drawn up by the government, and the colour of your local MP does help decide what Government gets in, so it seems silly to just choose the candidate without considering if you agree with his/her party's plans.

It depends whether your MP is likely to follow their own views or their party's.

danielf 26-04-2010 16:54

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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 35008446)
It depends whether your MP is likely to follow their own views or their party's.

It's more likely to be dependent on if the party allows a free vote.

Xaccers 26-04-2010 16:56

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35008451)
It's more likely to be dependent on if the party allows a free vote.

Many MPs ignore the whips.

(uh-oh! Where's Mr LoveMonkey?)

Jimmy-J 27-04-2010 03:24

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Jack Straw says sorry over Muslim veil comment sparking accusations of political opportunism
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz0mG89sfJk

And...

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THE Liberal Democrats came under fire yesterday for using a fake policeman in campaign literature just days after being forced to admit dressing up a party worker as a nurse.
The party was also forced to apologise after featuring supportive comments in campaign leaflets from a great-grandmother who turned out to be a Tory voter who had never uttered the words in question.
The admissions brought new accusations of “dirty tricks’’ by the party, whose leader Nick Clegg has claimed he will offer a new, cleaner politics.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...icks-leaflets-

frogstamper 27-04-2010 03:58

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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 35008453)
Many MPs ignore the whips.

(uh-oh! Where's Mr LoveMonkey?)

Sadly they are far to few on all sides, I think voting reform is a certainty after this election as whoever becomes the largest party they are currently very unlikely to get more than 35% of the vote, hardly a ringing endorsement for the unpopular cuts to come, if ever a party needed a proper mandate to push through these cuts its now.
At present the next government will be decided by about a 100 key marginals, mainly in the Midlands, meaning the vast majority of us have an almost pointless vote.
If your a Labour voter in the south or a Tory voter in the north apart from a few key seats your vote is meaningless, surely a system whereby the overall votes a party achieves is preferable to the current system?
If a party can only get 35% of the vote when only 60% of the eligible public vote our democracy is in poor shape indeed.

dilli-theclaw 27-04-2010 12:18

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I got a BNP leaflet this morning, just as well I've already voted or it may have swayed me.... Not.

Flyboy 27-04-2010 12:39

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sparking accusations of political opportunism
That's a bit rich, coming from the Daily Heil.

Hugh 27-04-2010 12:54

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Mandelson and Balls on Peppa Pig-Gate.....

Chris 27-04-2010 13:00

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Mandelscum blames BBC interference. Whoodathunkit. :rolleyes:

Stuart 27-04-2010 15:26

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In other words, Labour attempt to cash in on the popularity of a children's character, get caught, get asked to stop and blame someone else?

Angua 27-04-2010 15:35

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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35008768)
Sadly they are far to few on all sides, I think voting reform is a certainty after this election as whoever becomes the largest party they are currently very unlikely to get more than 35% of the vote, hardly a ringing endorsement for the unpopular cuts to come, if ever a party needed a proper mandate to push through these cuts its now.
At present the next government will be decided by about a 100 key marginals, mainly in the Midlands, meaning the vast majority of us have an almost pointless vote.
If your a Labour voter in the south or a Tory voter in the north apart from a few key seats your vote is meaningless, surely a system whereby the overall votes a party achieves is preferable to the current system?
If a party can only get 35% of the vote when only 60% of the eligible public vote our democracy is in poor shape indeed.

:clap: Exactly. Yet whoever wins a majority of seats will claim they have a "mandate" to govern.

Hugh 27-04-2010 15:41

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Best line of the election so far at today's Sky / Labour Press Conference (about 24 seconds in) - Baron Mandelson says "Adam, you're not standing for election"; assorted journalists shout back "Neither are you!".

(which is then followed by a couple of minutes of BM talking, but not answering Adam Bolton's questions.....)

Ignitionnet 27-04-2010 15:42

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35008898)
Mandelscum blames BBC interference. Whoodathunkit. :rolleyes:

You should know by now that the BBC are only allowed to interfere or show bias when it benefits Labour, and indeed do.

Osem 27-04-2010 16:21

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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 35008970)
In other words, Labour attempt to cash in on the popularity of a children's character, get caught, get asked to stop and blame someone else?

Par for the course with Brown and his cronies. Claim all the credit when things go well and deny any responsibility when they go pear shaped....

Damien 27-04-2010 16:24

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35008976)
You should know by now that the BBC are only allowed to interfere or show bias when it benefits Labour, and indeed do.

I don't know. Nick Robinson gave a hard time to them at their press conference, it was also he who provoked an angry reaction during the last election by asking 'where are the minorities' then Blair was giving a speech in front of an assembled backing of Labour supporters who Robinson, incorrectly, thought were entirely white.

In the Thick of It is obviously a mockery of Labour's government and Alistair Campbell.

Like I said about Sky News, it's sometimes too easy to perceive bias in the press. More often than not it's because they have reported on a event without he desired spin/interpretation you had.

Neil22 27-04-2010 18:03

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This sums him up just nice.


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Jimmy-J 27-04-2010 18:10

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:D

Ignitionnet 27-04-2010 18:15

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Originally Posted by Neil22 (Post 35009024)
This sums him up just nice.

That's the level of debate I expected after your previous copy/pastes of Labour propaganda were taken apart.

In other news anyone know anything about the author of this?

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35008993)
I don't know. Nick Robinson gave a hard time to them at their press conference, it was also he who provoked an angry reaction during the last election by asking 'where are the minorities' then Blair was giving a speech in front of an assembled backing of Labour supporters who Robinson, incorrectly, thought were entirely white.

In the Thick of It is obviously a mockery of Labour's government and Alistair Campbell.

Like I said about Sky News, it's sometimes too easy to perceive bias in the press. More often than not it's because they have reported on a event without he desired spin/interpretation you had.

Hrmm I'm perhaps feeling uncharitable after his ridiculous last blog and watching far too many cases of Labour being given a gentler ride.

Damien 27-04-2010 18:22

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35009030)
--------- Previous post was at 17:15 ----------

Hrmm I'm perhaps feeling uncharitable after his ridiculous last blog and watching far too many cases of Labour being given a gentler ride.

That last blog was fine too. He pointed out both that the nurses had just been told about pay raises/pension protection and that these promises were not outlined in their manifesto.

The main contention seems to be that he reported the fact the nurses gave Brown a standing ovation and it seemed geniune, as if reporting such incidents is in itself bias.

If you care to look a few blogs back there is this article attacking Brown's lack of numeric ability: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobin...t_to_save.html

Hugh 27-04-2010 18:53

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35009030)
That's the level of debate I expected after your previous copy/pastes of Labour propaganda were taken apart.

In other news anyone know anything about the author of this?

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Hrmm I'm perhaps feeling uncharitable after his ridiculous last blog and watching far too many cases of Labour being given a gentler ride.

The vid is from labourvision.tv, an crowdsourcing offshoot of Guido Fawkes's blog.

btw, you do know that Nick Robinson was National Young Conservatives' Chairman in the 1980's, don't you?

Osem 27-04-2010 19:19

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35009030)

Excellent!

For those of us without the dubious 'benefit' of standard issue New Labour ultra polarising, rose tinted specs it says it all really... and in just a few seconds. Lies and spin, more lies and more spin, even more lies and even more spin.....

New Labour - " A Future Fair for All" - unless of course you value tedious minutiae like civil liberties that is.....

Gary L 27-04-2010 19:24

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Originally Posted by Product 13 (Post 35008766)
Jack Straw says sorry over Muslim veil comment sparking accusations of political opportunism

I'm sure I've heard him say that he stands by what he said at the time since it happened and before the apology.

4 years later on and he apologises. sounds like an election really is happening next month..

bjorkiii 27-04-2010 20:10

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What happens if its a absolute draw :D do we get to stab them all in the throat with a butter knife, these debates should only be on the radio why do we need to see them ? arrrgh what we need is a giant crab to eat them all live on cbeeebies

martyh 27-04-2010 21:16

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Originally Posted by bjorkiii (Post 35009082)
What happens if its a absolute draw :D do we get to stab them all in the throat with a butter knife, these debates should only be on the radio why do we need to see them ? arrrgh what we need is a giant crab to eat them all live on cbeeebies


:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :nutter::nutter::nutter:

Osem 27-04-2010 22:21

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35009053)
I'm sure I've heard him say that he stands by what he said at the time since it happened and before the apology.

4 years later on and he apologises. sounds like an election really is happening next month..

Like so many of his colleagues, Jack Straw has a history of saying and doing entirely different things depending on which way the political wind is blowing at the time...

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8647441.stm

[QUOTE]Greece's debt has been downgraded to junk status by rating agency Standard & Poor's amid concern it could not take steps to tackle its economic crisis.

It makes the struggling nation the first eurozone member to have its debt downgraded to junk level. [QUOTE]

Did Mandelson forget to tell them that Brown had saved the world then ??? :rolleyes:

I foresee some more expensive EU rule bending...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...challenge.html

Xaccers 27-04-2010 22:25

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Lock up the nation's gold reserves! Stop gordo ebaying it to save greece.
Shouldn't be hard, we've got what? 3 bars left?

Osem 27-04-2010 22:38

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Originally Posted by Xaccers (Post 35009166)
Lock up the nation's gold reserves! Stop gordo ebaying it to save greece.
Shouldn't be hard, we've got what? 3 bars left?

LOL - who knows, if Steve 'umbrella' McLaren is in demand perhaps, after he's booted out of office in a couple of weeks time, the Greeks will draft in SuperGordon so that he can work his magic on their economy.... :D

Ignitionnet 28-04-2010 00:06

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35009045)
The vid is from labourvision.tv, an crowdsourcing offshoot of Guido Fawkes's blog.

btw, you do know that Nick Robinson was National Young Conservatives' Chairman in the 1980's, don't you?

Thanks for the info on labourvision.

I was aware of this from Nick Robinson, I do wonder if he's trying to compensate for it some times.

Saying that I have to admit bias of my own. I am incredibly biased against Gordon Brown and feel the mess he and his party have caused in financial and civil rights terms will take an extremely long time to unravel so anything that doesn't advocate his immediate removal from office is against my point of view. I'm being kind there by the way.

danielf 28-04-2010 00:27

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:LOL:

Just saw the 'hung parliament party' ad from the Tories. What a load of carp scaremongering.

Peter_ 28-04-2010 00:29

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Voted and will be posting them in the morning.:D

Now I can forget about all this claptrap.:p:

Ignitionnet 28-04-2010 00:42

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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35009225)
Voted and will be posting them in the morning.:D

Now I can forget about all this claptrap.:p:

No you can't. Every time you switch on your TV it'll be there.

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35009222)
:LOL:

Just saw the 'hung parliament party' ad from the Tories. What a load of carp scaremongering.

Seems a tad on the doomsayer side of things doesn't it? While I have concerns about it, big ones, I am unsure how productive going that OTT is. Nearly as bad as Labour's baseless bovine excreta. I'm only saying 'nearly because the Tories are exaggerating rather than just making things up.

Peter_ 28-04-2010 00:42

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet (Post 35009235)
No you can't. Every time you switch on your TV it'll be there.

I switch channels to avoid the claptrap otherwise my TV would be broken.:D

The one lasting memory I have of the Labour victory in 1997 is below and I rather doubt we will see something as funny as this was at this election.

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At the time of the election, Portillo had been riding high and was seen as a future leader of the Conservatives. He had a large majority and so when the Enfield Southgate vote was announced there were gasps around the country that led to the phrase "did you stay up for Portillo".

Hugh 28-04-2010 01:25

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Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35009237)
I switch channels to avoid the claptrap otherwise my TV would be broken.:D

The one lasting memory I have of the Labour victory in 1997 is below and I rather doubt we will see something as funny as this was at this election.

There may be a "Labour lose their Balls" moment, though, if the betting in Morley and Outwood is reflected in reality.....

Peter_ 28-04-2010 01:28

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35009271)
There may be a "Labour lose their Balls" moment, though, if the betting in Outwood and Morley is reflected in reality.....

He deserves it just as Portillo did in 1997.

Flyboy 28-04-2010 02:15

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Originally Posted by Neil22 (Post 35009024)

:LOL: :LOL: That has got to be the funniest thing I have ever seen. Even the most die-hard Tory would have to see the funny side in that. :LOL::LOL:

frogstamper 28-04-2010 02:46

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Originally Posted by fLYBOY
That has got to be the funniest thing I have ever seen. Even the most die-hard Tory would have to see the funny side in that.

Are you going to surprise us Osem?.;)

Flyboy 28-04-2010 03:16

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Having watched the Nazis' PEB yesterday, I could help but wonder if the three men wearing medals will turn out to be fake. The one in the middle looked as though his hair was airbrushed in, to hide a skinhead haircut. The old guy's medals looked a bit sloppy (any veteran proud enough to wear them would be just as proud to wear them correctly, wouldn't they) and the young guy looks as though he is frightened rabbit caught in the headlamps. Added to all of that, are there really veterans of world war two, who truly believe that they fought for nothing, fighting fascism?

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If there is a hung parliament and the Tories are the largest party, will they give another election like they promised on their broadcast tonight?

alferret 28-04-2010 06:35

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35009289)
If there is a hung parliament and the Tories are the largest party, will they give another election like they promised on their broadcast tonight?


Of course they will. Unlike brown who makes promises and then renegs on them when it comes to things like giving the public a chance to be heard Cameron will indeed make sure that there will be another election because they want a clear, outright victory.

It would be hugely unfortunate if there was a hung parliament as nothing would ever get done due to all the squabling that will go on.

Its also nice to see labour where they rightly deserve to be at the bottom of the pile, they have trashed this country, run it into the ground, a pathetic government without remorse for its huge failings.

It would be nice to see the labour party shrivel up an die like a worm on the pavement on a hot summers day, deceased, no more.

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35009283)
That has got to be the funniest thing I have ever seen.

Well my friend you have then led a sheltered life :p:

TheDaddy 28-04-2010 08:10

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Originally Posted by bjorkiii http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/im...s/viewpost.gif
What happens if its a absolute draw :D do we get to stab them all in the throat with a butter knife, these debates should only be on the radio why do we need to see them ? arrrgh what we need is a giant crab to eat them all live on cbeeebies
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35009129)
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :nutter::nutter::nutter:

His right imo, well about the debates being on radio only, hmm and perhaps about the crab to.

Angua 28-04-2010 08:18

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35009289)

If there is a hung parliament and the Tories are the largest party, will they give another election like they promised on their broadcast tonight?

Of course the Tory's will throw their toys out of the pram & go through another huge expensive election because a hung parliament is not what they want. This would mean negotiating with others and compromising. :dozey: Would then serve them right if the new election gave a hung parliament again, or even worse another Labour government.

Xaccers 28-04-2010 08:34

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35009283)
:LOL: :LOL: That has got to be the funniest thing I have ever seen. Even the most die-hard Tory would have to see the funny side in that. :LOL::LOL:

Well he had just been asked what he thought of Labour :D

Osem 28-04-2010 10:46

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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35009287)
Are you going to surprise us Osem?.;)

Probably not ;)

----------------------------------------------------

On the subject of promises, I don't suppose the Tories, Lib Dems (or anyone else for that matter) will be taking any lessons from New Labour and their supporters when it comes to delivering on them......

Here's a few of New Labour's broken promises:

http://www.openeurope.org.uk/researc...enpromises.pdf

www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/FSTREAT/TR6.htm

Quote:

"What you cannot do is have a situation where you get a rejection of the treaty and bring it back with a few amendments and say, 'Have another go'....
T.Blair :rolleyes:

.... just for completeness, a classic from Gordon Brown:

Quote:

British jobs for British workers...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7862287.stm

Damien 28-04-2010 13:10

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What are everyone's views on the possible effect of Greece's financial crisis on this election?

It's probably negative for the Liberal Democrats who are not regarded as strong on the economics and are pro Euro. The stronger the issues of the econmany and Europe are in the election then the weaker the Liberal Democrats will do in my view (despite the fact there were calling the global recession earlier than any of the others).

It's harder to work out who would benefit between the Conservatives and Labour. First of all the British economy never descending into the crisis Greece has and, although Labour are at fault for not saving money in order to deal with the level of debt incurred fighting the recession, they were successful in bringing the country out of recession. Their policies worked. Maybe the public will be scared by the current situation, Osborne is unproven as Chancellor, and choose Labour.

However maybe they will decide that drastic cuts need to made to the budget in order to cut our debt and make sure we don't go down the same path as Greece?

chris9991 28-04-2010 13:16

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35009413)
What are everyone's views on the possible effect of Greece's financial crisis on this election?

I don't know if it will effect how people vote but regardless I think it shows the risks that face the UK economy regardless. We have to reduce our structural deficit but do it too quickly and the air evaporates from the economy. Things could become a lot worse before they start to get better

danielf 28-04-2010 13:40

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Oh dear

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Election: Brown 'bigoted woman' jibe caught on tape

Prime Minister Gordon Brown has been caught on microphone describing a voter he had just spoken to in Rochdale as a "bigoted woman".

The 65-year-old woman had challenged Mr Brown on a number of issues including immigration, crime and the economy during the exchange.

Julian 28-04-2010 13:42

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OH DEAR GB puts his foot in it that should help the cause...

Bigot(ed) don't we keep hearing that word trotted out here with alarming regularity by the odd member?. ;)

danielf 28-04-2010 13:43

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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35009436)
OH DEAR GB puts his foot in it that should help the cause...

Bigot(ed) don't we keep hearing that word trotted out here with alarming regularity by the odd member?. ;)

UR SLOW :p:

Ignitionnet 28-04-2010 13:51

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Ooops.

Damien 28-04-2010 13:59

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Say what you like about Brown, he is certainly the opposite of Blair :D

danielf 28-04-2010 14:01

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My guess is that all candidates will say similar things. Just not while wearing a microphone :D

Ignitionnet 28-04-2010 14:03

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Him sticking his head in his hands, caught on camera, when it was played back to him will make a wonderful election commercial for one of the other parties.

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Originally Posted by danielf (Post 35009445)
My guess is that all candidates will say similar things. Just not while wearing a microphone :D

Exactly, we know they're 2-faced, we don't really want to have it shoved in our faces though ;)

punky 28-04-2010 14:05

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35009283)
:LOL: :LOL: That has got to be the funniest thing I have ever seen. Even the most die-hard Tory would have to see the funny side in that. :LOL::LOL:

If they were thirteen. Are you thirteen?

Damien 28-04-2010 14:13

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Gordon Brown is a trail of destruction for the Labour party's election campaign, always turn up in the nick of time to wreck the day! They should have sent him on Holiday for the month :D

Osem 28-04-2010 14:22

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Yes 'bigot' is one of those pejorative terms some people like to bandy about isn't it, especially when it's levelled at those who have the temerity to disagree! Publicly New Labour say they recognise people's concerns and are going to control immigration but privately they still think those who're worried about the effects of the record levels of migration we've seen are just bigots. I think we've seen both Brown's faces today - the mask has slipped!

May we have just witnessed Brown's very own 'Ratner' moment?* :D



* http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2010949.stm

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35009455)
Gordon Brown is a trail of destruction for the Labour party's election campaign, always turn up in the nick of time to wreck the day! They should have sent him on Holiday for the month :D


I heard that Mandelson had something booked but the Icelandic volcano spoiled his plans... :D

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Originally Posted by punky (Post 35009451)
If they were thirteen. Are you thirteen?

:rofl:

Damien 28-04-2010 14:25

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Appears she started complaining about Eastern European Immigrants which is what prompted the remark.

Osem 28-04-2010 14:42

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I've just heard Joan Ruddock, I believe, squirming whilst trying to dig Brown out of the hole he's just dug for his party and excusing their abject failure on immigration. Once again she made the claim that the last Tory government was responsible for removing exit controls when in fact they removed controls for EU citizens in 1994 and New Labour did likewise for all non-eu citizens in 1998. More cynical spin or just some rather convenient ignorance of some very basic but important facts?? I know what I think..... :mad:

arcamalpha2004 28-04-2010 15:04

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Election day will be just like any other day to me, and to be honest, every person in this country should treat it the same.
83% of the population do not trust politicians, does that not say something?
The politicians in this country are the cause of our problems, therefore they cannot be the solution.
If on the other hand there was the opportunity to tick a box that said " None of the above " I may take a detour from the shop to vote.

Ignitionnet 28-04-2010 15:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35009413)
What are everyone's views on the possible effect of Greece's financial crisis on this election?

It's probably negative for the Liberal Democrats who are not regarded as strong on the economics and are pro Euro. The stronger the issues of the econmany and Europe are in the election then the weaker the Liberal Democrats will do in my view (despite the fact there were calling the global recession earlier than any of the others).

It's harder to work out who would benefit between the Conservatives and Labour. First of all the British economy never descending into the crisis Greece has and, although Labour are at fault for not saving money in order to deal with the level of debt incurred fighting the recession, they were successful in bringing the country out of recession. Their policies worked. Maybe the public will be scared by the current situation, Osborne is unproven as Chancellor, and choose Labour.

However maybe they will decide that drastic cuts need to made to the budget in order to cut our debt and make sure we don't go down the same path as Greece?

It will harm the Lib Dems by showing weakness in increased European economic integration.

It will harm Labour as their method for mitigating the recession has been fairly ineffective (we were one of the last economies to return to growth) and its' only real impact has been to save the banks and highlight the massive structural deficit Labour have accumulated.

It will harm the Tories as attempts to avoid what has happened to Greece will just get painted as the 'nasty Tories' and people will point to Greeks protesting over their government having ignored debt for so long having to take drastic action and the Greeks standing up for their rights, etc.

If a closer look is taken the economy has been in fantasy land for most of the century. We've relied tremendously on generation of increased GDP through non-productive activities (bankers basically gambling, public sector enlargement, people speculating on property and debt-fuelled spending) meanwhile the government has spent increasing amounts of money on the pretty risky gamble that these revenue streams would remain constant.

We're in the situation now where the bankers bubble has burst and banking needs a rethink to avoid another bailout, people are jittery over private debt and are repaying it rather than taking it out and spending, property is wobbly and easy access to credit to invest isn't there and therefore the government can't afford to continue pumping money into the public sector to prop up the employment rate.

The stimulus wasn't anywhere near what it should have been as the money just wasn't there to implement large infrastructure projects and bring forward projects in order to maintain jobs and actually produce something with it due to Labour's structural deficit being so large after the extremely wobbly foundations they built their entire economic plan on came tumbling down.

The fact is although GDP is still rising we are in a frightfully weak position still. The recovery has been jobless and with large cuts in the public sector absolutely needed and a lack of action to stimulate the private sector into hiring and producing to take up the slack I'm not sure how it'll pan out as without private sector hiring in a big way the welfare bill will go up.

To be perfectly honest in this economic mess the major losers are us, there are no winners, it'll be extremely painful whatever, just a matter of when and how much.

The only potential winner so far is ignorance, ignorance of just what a mess Labour's economic policies caused as evidenced by anyone who would trust them with the economy for a further 5 years. Their only real positive action has been saving the banking system in the country from falling into disarray.

Osem 28-04-2010 15:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 35009481)
Election day will be just like any other day to me, and to be honest, every person in this country should treat it the same.
83% of the population do not trust politicians, does that not say something?
The politicians in this country are the cause of our problems, therefore they cannot be the solution.
If on the other hand there was the opportunity to tick a box that said " None of the above " I may take a detour from the shop to vote.

You could just write that on your ballot paper... ;)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien

What are everyone's views on the possible effect of Greece's financial crisis on this election?

It's probably negative for the Liberal Democrats who are not regarded as strong on the economics and are pro Euro. The stronger the issues of the econmany and Europe are in the election then the weaker the Liberal Democrats will do in my view (despite the fact there were calling the global recession earlier than any of the others).

It's harder to work out who would benefit between the Conservatives and Labour. First of all the British economy never descending into the crisis Greece has and, although Labour are at fault for not saving money in order to deal with the level of debt incurred fighting the recession, they were successful in bringing the country out of recession. Their policies worked. Maybe the public will be scared by the current situation, Osborne is unproven as Chancellor, and choose Labour.

However maybe they will decide that drastic cuts need to made to the budget in order to cut our debt and make sure we don't go down the same path as Greece?
In terms of the election I think it'll hurt the Lib Dems most, New Labour only slightly less and the Tories least of all. It remains to be seen what sort of European 'unity' will emerge from this growing crisis but I suspect there are going to be a lot of arguments and dithering before anything's done. Merkel has already delayed the decision on the Greek bail-out until after some important elections at home and I predict more delays and hiccups will follow if the crisis spreads.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereport..._greek_ba.html

Newsflash:

Gordon Brown's on his way to Rochdale to apologise to that nasty 'bigot' in person.... I wonder why he'd do that :rolleyes:

Damien 28-04-2010 15:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 35009481)
Election day will be just like any other day to me, and to be honest, every person in this country should treat it the same.
83% of the population do not trust politicians, does that not say something?
The politicians in this country are the cause of our problems, therefore they cannot be the solution.
If on the other hand there was the opportunity to tick a box that said " None of the above " I may take a detour from the shop to vote.

I personally don't think people's cynicism should be indulged.

You say politicians are the cause of our problems which is clearly untrue. They can fail to tackle a problem or indeed cause some problems but that is to be expected. They are human and we all make mistakes, difference is ours are not amplified nationwide and then picked up by an entire population who claim it was an obvious mistake and they would have fixed it.

Part of the problem seems to be that everyone thinks governing a country is easy and anyone could do it. It might help if there were slightly more respect.

So if we get rid of politicians then who else should run the country? Or was that just a populist parroted line without much thought about it?

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35009495)
In terms of the election I think it'll hurt the Lib Dems most, New Labour only slightly less and the Tories least of all. It remains to be seen what sort of European 'unity' will emerge from this growing crisis but I suspect there are going to be a lot of arguments and dithering before anything's done. Merkel has already delayed the decision on the Greek bail-out until after some important elections at home and I predict more delays and hiccups will follow if the crisis spreads.

I agree. Anything that brings Europe and the Economy to the fore will damage the Liberal Democrats. I don't think it's entirely fair as I don't think this is an admission of the failure of the EU principle but it might spell trouble for the Euro.

ashgray 28-04-2010 15:54

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If dear old gordy thinks that little old lady is a bigot,he should come knocking on my door and i'll really show him what a bigot is.
and i don't give a castlemaine xxxx what anybody thinks about me either.

Damien 28-04-2010 15:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ashgray (Post 35009502)
If dear old gordy thinks that little old lady is a bigot,he should come knocking on my door and i'll really show him what a bigot is.
and i don't give a castlemaine xxxx what anybody thinks about me either.

Your boasting about being a bigot :confused:

Angua 28-04-2010 15:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35009500)
I personally don't think people's cynicism should be indulged.

You say politicians are the cause of our problems which is clearly untrue. They can fail to tackle a problem or indeed cause some problems but that is to be expected. They are human and we all make mistakes, difference is ours are not amplified nationwide and then picked up by an entire population who claim it was an obvious mistake and they would have fixed it.

Part of the problem seems to be that everyone thinks governing a country is easy and anyone could do it. Therefore they treat all politicians as dumb vermin.

So if we get rid of politicians then who else should run the country? Or was that just a populist parroted line without much thought about it?

Some of the distrust of politicians (leaving aside the expenses for once) could well be down to the party system. Where individuals get subsumed by political dogma and ambition excludes changing sides. Mostly seen when a determined journalist tries to pin them down & the MP sticks to the party line with a sour face. Possibly also why maverick independents like Martin Bell have been elected and bucked the party system.

ashgray 28-04-2010 16:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35009504)
Your boasting about being a bigot :confused:

yes, and i don't give a Mod Edit:what you or anyone else says.
i'd sooner be a bigot than a lying two faced ******* like gordon brown and his girlfriend mandy.

and before you ask or say,i am not a bnp supporter either.

Swearing is against the T&Cs and this was a blatant attempt to get around the swear filter.Your meaning was quite clear,please don't do it again.

Stuart 28-04-2010 16:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 35009289)
Having watched the Nazis' PEB yesterday, I could help but wonder if the three men wearing medals will turn out to be fake. The one in the middle looked as though his hair was airbrushed in, to hide a skinhead haircut. The old guy's medals looked a bit sloppy (any veteran proud enough to wear them would be just as proud to wear them correctly, wouldn't they) and the young guy looks as though he is frightened rabbit caught in the headlamps. Added to all of that, are there really veterans of world war two, who truly believe that they fought for nothing, fighting fascism?

While apparently siding with fascists, if they approve of the BNP...

Anyhow, most Veterans (of any war, not just WWII) would not only be proud enough to wear their medals correctly, but would be offended at the mere thought of not wearing them correctly.

Osem 28-04-2010 17:02

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So Brown's apologised and says it was all a terrible mistake - he misunderstood her apparently... :rolleyes:

I wonder what it was that he learned in his car and afterwards that persuaded him that he'd got her wrong??... I reckon it was was the feeling of all those votes he'd just lost in an instant and that his 'apology' has far more to do with damage lmitation than anything else!....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/

It's her prerogative of course but it appears that Mrs Duffy will not be speaking to the press about Brown's 'apology'. Why not if she's accepted it as being sincerely offered? Has she accepted it or has she rejected it but agreed not to comment to avoid causing further embarrassment to the party she's apparently been a lifelong supporter of?.:confused: I think the truth will come out sooner or later.

Tuftus 28-04-2010 17:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The BBC
Gillian Duffy, the woman earlier described as "bigoted" by Gordon Brown, will not be talking to the media following her personal apology from the prime minister, a Labour press officer says.

I wonder how much that cost?

Osem 28-04-2010 17:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 35009528)
I wonder how much that cost?

Oooohhh so cynical.......... :D

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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 35009516)
While apparently siding with fascists, if they approve of the BNP...

Anyhow, most Veterans (of any war, not just WWII) would not only be proud enough to wear their medals correctly, but would be offended at the mere thought of not wearing them correctly.

I guess that some may be so old/frail that they might not realise. My Dad's certainly in that category.

Stuart 28-04-2010 18:10

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Both from various B3ta users, although I can't provide a link 'cause too much of that site is not safe for linking..

The 4 horsemen of the politalypse (from user Damocles)
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/04/2.gif

And "Nick Cleggo" (from the user andysine)
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/04/9.png

Damien 28-04-2010 18:12

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That Lib Dem one is actually pretty fun and positive.

Sirius 28-04-2010 18:25

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I have been saying for months Gordan ratner Brown was an idiot and now he have proved me right.

Gordan thanks for making your party unelectable :clap: :clap: you have made my day

Hiroki 28-04-2010 18:41

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Haha I thought that GB thing was funny :D

Even more likely to vote for him now

Neil22 28-04-2010 18:57

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From the Idiot in charge of the Tories.

Cameron has clearly revealed the Tory reason for keeping and replacing Britain's nuclear weapons system. During the first leaders' election debate the other week, David Cameron stated that 'we can't be certain of the future in China', when explaining why he thought Britain should retain nukes.

China has a relatively small nuclear arsenal, and its policies over the last decades indicate that it does not wish to get embroiled in a nuclear arms race and divert its economy from rapid development into a dead end project, the like of which bankrupted the Soviet Union. Doubtless that is why China voted in the UN General Assembly a few years ago to back immediate negotiations on a Nuclear Weapons Convention to ban all nuclear weapons.

China are the only thing propping up our economy at the moment, their investment in government bonds are the only thing preventing us going the way of Greece. Which makes Camerons jibe about nuking them all the more puzzling. I'm sure Beijing loved that.

punky 28-04-2010 18:58

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Some truth from Gordo at last...

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If only!

Mick 28-04-2010 19:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiroki (Post 35009599)
Haha I thought that GB thing was funny :D

Even more likely to vote for him now

It was far from funny - granted he made the comments in private (or so he thought) those comments got back to the woman in question and she was left very upset by it and she was an hard Labour supporter. If that's what Gordon 'numpty' Brown really thinks of his own party supporters/voters, who bring up legit questions and concerns during an election campaign visit - he deserves no votes at all.

Chris 28-04-2010 19:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil22 (Post 35009610)
Cameron has clearly revealed the Tory reason for keeping and replacing Britain's nuclear weapons system. During the first leaders' election debate the other week, David Cameron stated that 'we can't be certain of the future in China', when explaining why he thought Britain should retain nukes.

China has a relatively small nuclear arsenal, and its policies over the last decades indicate that it does not wish to get embroiled in a nuclear arms race and divert its economy from rapid development into a dead end project, the like of which bankrupted the Soviet Union. Doubtless that is why China voted in the UN General Assembly a few years ago to back immediate negotiations on a Nuclear Weapons Convention to ban all nuclear weapons.

China are the only thing propping up our economy at the moment, their investment in government bonds are the only thing preventing us going the way of Greece. Which makes Camerons jibe about nuking them all the more puzzling. I'm sure Beijing loved that.

Has it taken you nearly two weeks to work all that out?

martyh 28-04-2010 19:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35009614)
It was far from funny - granted he made the comments in private (or so he thought) those comments got back to the woman in question and she was left very upset by it and she was an hard Labour supporter. If that's what Gordon 'numpty' Brown really thinks of his own party supporters/voters, who bring up legit questions and concerns during an election campaign visit - he deserves no votes at all.

It does all depend on what she said ,for all we know GB may be perfectly correct in calling her a bigot
still he should have been more guarded when voicing his personal opinons of a person

Sirius 28-04-2010 19:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Hiroki (Post 35009599)
Haha I thought that GB thing was funny :D

Even more likely to vote for him now

There's always one :D

Chris 28-04-2010 19:13

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Quote:

Gordon Brown 'mortified' by his 'bigoted woman' slur
Of course he is. Now the whole world knows what many of us have long suspected ... that Gordon is utterly contemptuous of all the little people who just happen to disagree with his Five Year Tractor Plan for Great Britain.

He's a muppet and a disgrace to his office. Thank goodness he'll be vacating it in a little over a week from now.

Hiroki 28-04-2010 19:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35009614)
It was far from funny - granted he made the comments in private (or so he thought) those comments got back to the woman in question and she was left very upset by it and she was an hard Labour supporter. If that's what Gordon 'numpty' Brown really thinks of his own party supporters/voters, who bring up legit questions and concerns during an election campaign visit - he deserves no votes at all.

Couldn't give a toss, I thought it was funny and that's all that matters to me.

We don't know what the woman said and GB could be right in calling her what he called her.

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35009621)
There's always one :D

Hey I like the bloke and he is the best chance this country has :D

The other two parties in the running are jokes.

Chris 28-04-2010 19:22

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Meanwhile, if this knocked the smug grin off Alex Salmond's face for even a second, the world will have become a happier place.

mikegreen 28-04-2010 19:23

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One bunch of liars go in, another bunch come out.

Nothing improves, I vote in the vain hope that for once something will change but it never does in any meaningful way.

And those godawful televised debates just make it worse. Nick Clegg?!

The only winners are the politicians, the losers are always the electorate in one way or another.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

:td:

Niles Crane 28-04-2010 19:24

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Is there something wrong with calling a bigot a bigot? When did bigot become a slur? Quite ironic that. In fact, i dare say it's "PC gone mad!"

The only issue here is that he didn't say it to her face.

Mick 28-04-2010 19:25

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But she wasn't bigoted in anything she said.... doh...

bjorkiii 28-04-2010 19:26

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I still haven't made my mind up yet, i know it certainly won't be conservative but i need to do some in depth thought then lay the polling card in my budgie cage and see which one gets picked 1st .

Niles Crane 28-04-2010 19:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35009640)
But she wasn't bigoted in anything she said.... doh...

You think she wasn't, clearly GB thinks her opinions show otherwise.

martyh 28-04-2010 19:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35009640)
But she wasn't bigoted in anything she said.... doh...

so what did she say then ?

Niles Crane 28-04-2010 19:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35009647)
so what did she say then ?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7110540.ece

Whether you agree with the judgement or not, i'd say "sort of bigoted" (his exact words) is a fair judgement for somebody to make.

This whole story is a mountain out of a molehill, and i'm not even a Labour supporter either.

nomadking 28-04-2010 19:40

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Quote:

Gillian Duffy: You can't say anything about the immigrants because you're saying that you're... but all these eastern Europeans what are coming in, where are they flocking from?
And his comments demonstrate, that what she said is true.

mikegreen 28-04-2010 19:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bjorkiii (Post 35009642)
I still haven't made my mind up yet, i know it certainly won't be conservative but i need to do some in depth thought then lay the polling card in my budgie cage and see which one gets picked 1st
.

Don't you mean see which one gets pecked first?

It's the only way to be sure. Budgie knows best.

Niles Crane 28-04-2010 19:45

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It's a good question to be honest. I've often wondered just quite where all these Eastern European people are coming from. Islamistan? South Slovakland? The Over There? Atlantis? Neverneverland? It's a mystery.

martyh 28-04-2010 19:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 35009658)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle7110540.ece

Whether you agree with the judgement or not, i'd say "sort of bigoted" (his exact words) is a fair judgement for somebody to make.

This whole story is a mountain out of a molehill, and i'm not even a Labour supporter either.

i would agree ,i think any other time it would be a nothing story ,i think she is a "sort of bigot" in the same way as a lot of people are "sort of bigots" in that we are concerned about immigration

mikegreen 28-04-2010 19:47

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"but all these eastern Europeans what are coming in, where are they flocking from?" :dunce:

I'll take a stab at answering this. Eastern Europe maybe?

Tuftus 28-04-2010 19:58

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I was going to hazard a guess at that region too.

Spooky.


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