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PR - vote for the party not the candidate STV - vote for the candidate you don't want the least Equal population constituencies - every vote is equal, vote for the candidate not the party |
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Tell that to those who've had to call on their MP for support. MPs do not "run the country" unless in the cabinet, and even then it's the civil service under them that do the running. A single backbencher in parliment has very little power in the HoC, but in the local area they can save lives. If they're good of course. You could be lumbered with someone like Margret Moran. Ask the Luton South constituents if they'd be happy to vote for her over a different candidate. I know several who would rather have their fingernails removed. I'd rather the Tory idea of reducing the size of the HoC and resizing constituencies so they are equal. |
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At present the next government will be decided by about a 100 key marginals, mainly in the Midlands, meaning the vast majority of us have an almost pointless vote. If your a Labour voter in the south or a Tory voter in the north apart from a few key seats your vote is meaningless, surely a system whereby the overall votes a party achieves is preferable to the current system? If a party can only get 35% of the vote when only 60% of the eligible public vote our democracy is in poor shape indeed. |
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I got a BNP leaflet this morning, just as well I've already voted or it may have swayed me.... Not.
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Mandelson and Balls on Peppa Pig-Gate.....
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Mandelscum blames BBC interference. Whoodathunkit. :rolleyes:
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In other words, Labour attempt to cash in on the popularity of a children's character, get caught, get asked to stop and blame someone else?
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Best line of the election so far at today's Sky / Labour Press Conference (about 24 seconds in) - Baron Mandelson says "Adam, you're not standing for election"; assorted journalists shout back "Neither are you!".
(which is then followed by a couple of minutes of BM talking, but not answering Adam Bolton's questions.....) |
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In the Thick of It is obviously a mockery of Labour's government and Alistair Campbell. Like I said about Sky News, it's sometimes too easy to perceive bias in the press. More often than not it's because they have reported on a event without he desired spin/interpretation you had. |
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The main contention seems to be that he reported the fact the nurses gave Brown a standing ovation and it seemed geniune, as if reporting such incidents is in itself bias. If you care to look a few blogs back there is this article attacking Brown's lack of numeric ability: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobin...t_to_save.html |
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btw, you do know that Nick Robinson was National Young Conservatives' Chairman in the 1980's, don't you? |
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For those of us without the dubious 'benefit' of standard issue New Labour ultra polarising, rose tinted specs it says it all really... and in just a few seconds. Lies and spin, more lies and more spin, even more lies and even more spin..... New Labour - " A Future Fair for All" - unless of course you value tedious minutiae like civil liberties that is..... |
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4 years later on and he apologises. sounds like an election really is happening next month.. |
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What happens if its a absolute draw :D do we get to stab them all in the throat with a butter knife, these debates should only be on the radio why do we need to see them ? arrrgh what we need is a giant crab to eat them all live on cbeeebies
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---------- Post added at 21:21 ---------- Previous post was at 21:14 ---------- http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8647441.stm [QUOTE]Greece's debt has been downgraded to junk status by rating agency Standard & Poor's amid concern it could not take steps to tackle its economic crisis. It makes the struggling nation the first eurozone member to have its debt downgraded to junk level. [QUOTE] Did Mandelson forget to tell them that Brown had saved the world then ??? :rolleyes: I foresee some more expensive EU rule bending... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/f...challenge.html |
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Lock up the nation's gold reserves! Stop gordo ebaying it to save greece.
Shouldn't be hard, we've got what? 3 bars left? |
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I was aware of this from Nick Robinson, I do wonder if he's trying to compensate for it some times. Saying that I have to admit bias of my own. I am incredibly biased against Gordon Brown and feel the mess he and his party have caused in financial and civil rights terms will take an extremely long time to unravel so anything that doesn't advocate his immediate removal from office is against my point of view. I'm being kind there by the way. |
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Just saw the 'hung parliament party' ad from the Tories. What a load of carp scaremongering. |
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Voted and will be posting them in the morning.:D
Now I can forget about all this claptrap.:p: |
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The one lasting memory I have of the Labour victory in 1997 is below and I rather doubt we will see something as funny as this was at this election. Quote:
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Having watched the Nazis' PEB yesterday, I could help but wonder if the three men wearing medals will turn out to be fake. The one in the middle looked as though his hair was airbrushed in, to hide a skinhead haircut. The old guy's medals looked a bit sloppy (any veteran proud enough to wear them would be just as proud to wear them correctly, wouldn't they) and the young guy looks as though he is frightened rabbit caught in the headlamps. Added to all of that, are there really veterans of world war two, who truly believe that they fought for nothing, fighting fascism?
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Of course they will. Unlike brown who makes promises and then renegs on them when it comes to things like giving the public a chance to be heard Cameron will indeed make sure that there will be another election because they want a clear, outright victory. It would be hugely unfortunate if there was a hung parliament as nothing would ever get done due to all the squabling that will go on. Its also nice to see labour where they rightly deserve to be at the bottom of the pile, they have trashed this country, run it into the ground, a pathetic government without remorse for its huge failings. It would be nice to see the labour party shrivel up an die like a worm on the pavement on a hot summers day, deceased, no more. ---------- Post added at 05:35 ---------- Previous post was at 05:33 ---------- Quote:
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---------------------------------------------------- On the subject of promises, I don't suppose the Tories, Lib Dems (or anyone else for that matter) will be taking any lessons from New Labour and their supporters when it comes to delivering on them...... Here's a few of New Labour's broken promises: http://www.openeurope.org.uk/researc...enpromises.pdf www.civitas.org.uk/eufacts/FSTREAT/TR6.htm Quote:
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What are everyone's views on the possible effect of Greece's financial crisis on this election?
It's probably negative for the Liberal Democrats who are not regarded as strong on the economics and are pro Euro. The stronger the issues of the econmany and Europe are in the election then the weaker the Liberal Democrats will do in my view (despite the fact there were calling the global recession earlier than any of the others). It's harder to work out who would benefit between the Conservatives and Labour. First of all the British economy never descending into the crisis Greece has and, although Labour are at fault for not saving money in order to deal with the level of debt incurred fighting the recession, they were successful in bringing the country out of recession. Their policies worked. Maybe the public will be scared by the current situation, Osborne is unproven as Chancellor, and choose Labour. However maybe they will decide that drastic cuts need to made to the budget in order to cut our debt and make sure we don't go down the same path as Greece? |
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OH DEAR GB puts his foot in it that should help the cause...
Bigot(ed) don't we keep hearing that word trotted out here with alarming regularity by the odd member?. ;) |
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Say what you like about Brown, he is certainly the opposite of Blair :D
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My guess is that all candidates will say similar things. Just not while wearing a microphone :D
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Him sticking his head in his hands, caught on camera, when it was played back to him will make a wonderful election commercial for one of the other parties.
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Gordon Brown is a trail of destruction for the Labour party's election campaign, always turn up in the nick of time to wreck the day! They should have sent him on Holiday for the month :D
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Yes 'bigot' is one of those pejorative terms some people like to bandy about isn't it, especially when it's levelled at those who have the temerity to disagree! Publicly New Labour say they recognise people's concerns and are going to control immigration but privately they still think those who're worried about the effects of the record levels of migration we've seen are just bigots. I think we've seen both Brown's faces today - the mask has slipped!
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Appears she started complaining about Eastern European Immigrants which is what prompted the remark.
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I've just heard Joan Ruddock, I believe, squirming whilst trying to dig Brown out of the hole he's just dug for his party and excusing their abject failure on immigration. Once again she made the claim that the last Tory government was responsible for removing exit controls when in fact they removed controls for EU citizens in 1994 and New Labour did likewise for all non-eu citizens in 1998. More cynical spin or just some rather convenient ignorance of some very basic but important facts?? I know what I think..... :mad:
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Election day will be just like any other day to me, and to be honest, every person in this country should treat it the same.
83% of the population do not trust politicians, does that not say something? The politicians in this country are the cause of our problems, therefore they cannot be the solution. If on the other hand there was the opportunity to tick a box that said " None of the above " I may take a detour from the shop to vote. |
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It will harm Labour as their method for mitigating the recession has been fairly ineffective (we were one of the last economies to return to growth) and its' only real impact has been to save the banks and highlight the massive structural deficit Labour have accumulated. It will harm the Tories as attempts to avoid what has happened to Greece will just get painted as the 'nasty Tories' and people will point to Greeks protesting over their government having ignored debt for so long having to take drastic action and the Greeks standing up for their rights, etc. If a closer look is taken the economy has been in fantasy land for most of the century. We've relied tremendously on generation of increased GDP through non-productive activities (bankers basically gambling, public sector enlargement, people speculating on property and debt-fuelled spending) meanwhile the government has spent increasing amounts of money on the pretty risky gamble that these revenue streams would remain constant. We're in the situation now where the bankers bubble has burst and banking needs a rethink to avoid another bailout, people are jittery over private debt and are repaying it rather than taking it out and spending, property is wobbly and easy access to credit to invest isn't there and therefore the government can't afford to continue pumping money into the public sector to prop up the employment rate. The stimulus wasn't anywhere near what it should have been as the money just wasn't there to implement large infrastructure projects and bring forward projects in order to maintain jobs and actually produce something with it due to Labour's structural deficit being so large after the extremely wobbly foundations they built their entire economic plan on came tumbling down. The fact is although GDP is still rising we are in a frightfully weak position still. The recovery has been jobless and with large cuts in the public sector absolutely needed and a lack of action to stimulate the private sector into hiring and producing to take up the slack I'm not sure how it'll pan out as without private sector hiring in a big way the welfare bill will go up. To be perfectly honest in this economic mess the major losers are us, there are no winners, it'll be extremely painful whatever, just a matter of when and how much. The only potential winner so far is ignorance, ignorance of just what a mess Labour's economic policies caused as evidenced by anyone who would trust them with the economy for a further 5 years. Their only real positive action has been saving the banking system in the country from falling into disarray. |
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You say politicians are the cause of our problems which is clearly untrue. They can fail to tackle a problem or indeed cause some problems but that is to be expected. They are human and we all make mistakes, difference is ours are not amplified nationwide and then picked up by an entire population who claim it was an obvious mistake and they would have fixed it. Part of the problem seems to be that everyone thinks governing a country is easy and anyone could do it. It might help if there were slightly more respect. So if we get rid of politicians then who else should run the country? Or was that just a populist parroted line without much thought about it? ---------- Post added at 14:50 ---------- Previous post was at 14:48 ---------- Quote:
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If dear old gordy thinks that little old lady is a bigot,he should come knocking on my door and i'll really show him what a bigot is.
and i don't give a castlemaine xxxx what anybody thinks about me either. |
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i'd sooner be a bigot than a lying two faced ******* like gordon brown and his girlfriend mandy. and before you ask or say,i am not a bnp supporter either. Swearing is against the T&Cs and this was a blatant attempt to get around the swear filter.Your meaning was quite clear,please don't do it again. |
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Anyhow, most Veterans (of any war, not just WWII) would not only be proud enough to wear their medals correctly, but would be offended at the mere thought of not wearing them correctly. |
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So Brown's apologised and says it was all a terrible mistake - he misunderstood her apparently... :rolleyes:
I wonder what it was that he learned in his car and afterwards that persuaded him that he'd got her wrong??... I reckon it was was the feeling of all those votes he'd just lost in an instant and that his 'apology' has far more to do with damage lmitation than anything else!.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/liveevent/ It's her prerogative of course but it appears that Mrs Duffy will not be speaking to the press about Brown's 'apology'. Why not if she's accepted it as being sincerely offered? Has she accepted it or has she rejected it but agreed not to comment to avoid causing further embarrassment to the party she's apparently been a lifelong supporter of?.:confused: I think the truth will come out sooner or later. |
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Both from various B3ta users, although I can't provide a link 'cause too much of that site is not safe for linking..
The 4 horsemen of the politalypse (from user Damocles) https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/04/2.gif And "Nick Cleggo" (from the user andysine) https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2010/04/9.png |
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That Lib Dem one is actually pretty fun and positive.
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I have been saying for months Gordan ratner Brown was an idiot and now he have proved me right.
Gordan thanks for making your party unelectable :clap: :clap: you have made my day |
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Haha I thought that GB thing was funny :D
Even more likely to vote for him now |
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From the Idiot in charge of the Tories.
Cameron has clearly revealed the Tory reason for keeping and replacing Britain's nuclear weapons system. During the first leaders' election debate the other week, David Cameron stated that 'we can't be certain of the future in China', when explaining why he thought Britain should retain nukes. China has a relatively small nuclear arsenal, and its policies over the last decades indicate that it does not wish to get embroiled in a nuclear arms race and divert its economy from rapid development into a dead end project, the like of which bankrupted the Soviet Union. Doubtless that is why China voted in the UN General Assembly a few years ago to back immediate negotiations on a Nuclear Weapons Convention to ban all nuclear weapons. China are the only thing propping up our economy at the moment, their investment in government bonds are the only thing preventing us going the way of Greece. Which makes Camerons jibe about nuking them all the more puzzling. I'm sure Beijing loved that. |
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He's a muppet and a disgrace to his office. Thank goodness he'll be vacating it in a little over a week from now. |
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Meanwhile, if this knocked the smug grin off Alex Salmond's face for even a second, the world will have become a happier place.
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One bunch of liars go in, another bunch come out.
Nothing improves, I vote in the vain hope that for once something will change but it never does in any meaningful way. And those godawful televised debates just make it worse. Nick Clegg?! The only winners are the politicians, the losers are always the electorate in one way or another. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. :td: |
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Is there something wrong with calling a bigot a bigot? When did bigot become a slur? Quite ironic that. In fact, i dare say it's "PC gone mad!"
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But she wasn't bigoted in anything she said.... doh...
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I still haven't made my mind up yet, i know it certainly won't be conservative but i need to do some in depth thought then lay the polling card in my budgie cage and see which one gets picked 1st .
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Whether you agree with the judgement or not, i'd say "sort of bigoted" (his exact words) is a fair judgement for somebody to make. This whole story is a mountain out of a molehill, and i'm not even a Labour supporter either. |
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It's the only way to be sure. Budgie knows best. |
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It's a good question to be honest. I've often wondered just quite where all these Eastern European people are coming from. Islamistan? South Slovakland? The Over There? Atlantis? Neverneverland? It's a mystery.
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"but all these eastern Europeans what are coming in, where are they flocking from?" :dunce:
I'll take a stab at answering this. Eastern Europe maybe? |
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I was going to hazard a guess at that region too.
Spooky. |
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