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nomadking

07-02-2010 17:50

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The problem is that the wearing motorcycle helmets, balaclavas, scarves, cloth caps etc is allowed to be banned in selected situations, but banning burkhas in those same situations would(and indeed have) run into trouble. If a selective ban of a burkha etc was allowed in those same situations a proposal of a complete ban would be less likely.

martyh

07-02-2010 17:55

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34959776)

The problem is that wearing motorcycle helmets, balaclavas, scarves, cloth caps etc are allowed to be banned in selected situations, but banning burkhas in those same situations would(and indeed have) run into trouble. If a selective ban of a burkha etc was allowed in those same situations a proposal of a complete ban would be less likely.

the only reason that banning the burkha in banks ect has run into trouble is because the authorities are terrified of upsetting muslims and are taken in by the wishy washy excuse of it's "a religious thing" .They need to grow some balls and tell them were to get off

nomadking

07-02-2010 17:57

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So a school could impose an uniform dress code without ending up in court?

martyh

07-02-2010 18:08

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34959782)

So a school could impose an uniform dress code without ending up in court?

if you are referring to the burkha then yes they can the links in a previous post ,can't be bothered to look now

Stuart

07-02-2010 18:13

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This will surprise some of you who have me down as being very pro muslim. I am actually neither pro nor anti muslim (I tend to judge people based upon how they act rather than what they believe).

However, I do think the Burkha can be a bad thing (it can be used to hide a lot of bad things, not just criminals), and it should be phased out. However, I also believe that the muslims should do it voluntarily, they should not be forced to do so.

It is worth remembering, however, that not all muslim sects require the wearing of the burkha. Some require merely that women wear a headscarf (I have no idea of the muslim name for this), and others do not require any covering.

nomadking

07-02-2010 18:18

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What about government - surely there are official guidelines?
There are indeed - but they are open to interpretation. The Department for Education and Skills' official guidelines says that uniform policy must be sensitive to differences and the need to adhere to dress for racial or religious reasons.
It stresses that a pupil should not be disciplined for refusing to adhere to a uniform for religious reasons, and that exclusion on these grounds is even less appropriate. Miss Begum's lawyers argued the school had breached these official rules.

Regardless of which way any decision goes, the school still ended up in court.

martyh

07-02-2010 18:18

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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34959797)

i didn't think any muslim sect "required"the wearing of burkhas i thought it was purley some sects interpretation of one of the rules .Yes i aggree that the headscarf is required but isn't the burkha just an extension of that and not required by the rules

Hugh	07-02-2010 18:21

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By the way, reading another report on this robbery, it would appear the robbers aren't very bright - Linky

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Staff let the pair through the security double doors of the banking branch of the postal office on Saturday, believing them to be veil-wearing Muslim women, before they flipped back their head coverings and pulled out a gun, officials said

btw, whilst I don't support the wearing of the burqa, I also don't support a blanket ban (because if we did that, shouldn't we also have a blanket ban on anything that covers the head and face, such as wearing hoods up and a scarf across the lower face in cold weather, fancy dress masks, etc etc?).

I do, however, think they should be subject to the same strictures as crash helmets, hoodies, etc, in banks.

roger skillin

08-02-2010 09:28

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Yes i think the burkha should be banned, if we go to theirs and other religeous countries we have to abide by their laws and do what they want so if they want to live here then they need to abide by ours laws and if we don't want them to cover up their faces they so be it, and if they don't like it well, i'll let the BNP finish that sentence

Russ	08-02-2010 09:36

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Originally Posted by roger skillin (Post 34960182)

So what about British muslims who want to wear the burkha?

Derek

08-02-2010 09:40

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34960187)

So what about British muslims who want to wear the burkha?

Well they go back to Muslimistan of course ;)

roger skillin

08-02-2010 10:45

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34960187)

So what about British muslims who want to wear the burkha?

They're not required by their religion to wear one anyway so they wont have a problem not wearing one.

All religion is a bunch of Bulls*%t in my opinion, it starts wars and gives governments an excuse for starting wars and it lets people start bring their rasist cards out, " ooooo you want them to ban the Burkah, you must be a rasist then" I think the word Rasist should be banned, i'm getting fed up with people using it all the time.

Sorry wandered off a bit there

Russ	08-02-2010 10:48

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Originally Posted by roger skillin (Post 34960208)

They're not required by their religion to wear one anyway so they wont have a problem not wearing one.

But what if they want to wear one?

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Originally Posted by roger skillin (Post 34960208)

All religion is a bunch of Bulls*%t in my opinion, it starts wars and gives governments an excuse for starting wars and it lets people start bring their rasist cards out, " ooooo you want them to ban the Burkah, you must be a rasist then" I think the word Rasist should be banned, i'm getting fed up with people using it all the time.

Maybe replace it with the word 'racist' instead?

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Originally Posted by roger skillin (Post 34960208)

Sorry wandered off a bit there

Yeah you did a bit. Please try to stick to facts and reality next time.

Derek

08-02-2010 10:48

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Originally Posted by roger skillin (Post 34960208)

They're not required by their religion to wear one anyway so they wont have a problem not wearing one.

Well some sections of the muslim faith say they are required to wear it.

It's like Christianity. There are some places in the UK where pretty much everything shuts down on the Sabbath and you would be shunned by neighbours if you dared to do DIY or hang out washing on a Sunday.

Thats what they believe but it isn't the same for other sections of Christianity.

Hugh	08-02-2010 11:26

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Originally Posted by roger skillin (Post 34960208)

They're not required by their religion to wear one anyway so they wont have a problem not wearing one.

All religion is a bunch of Bulls*%t in my opinion, it starts wars and gives governments an excuse for starting wars and it lets people start bring their rasist cards out, " ooooo you want them to ban the Burkah, you must be a rasist then" I think the word Rasist should be banned, i'm getting fed up with people using it all the time.

Sorry wandered off a bit there

It's OK - "rasist" doesn't need to be banned; it's not a real word. ;)

btw, no one has said banning the burqa is racist - what a lot of people have stated that the law should be consistent, and not just focus on burqas, because applying a law to just one item of clothing worn by a certain group could be seen as disciminatory (which is completely different from being racist).

roger skillin

08-02-2010 11:50

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34960209)

But what if they want to wear one?

Maybe replace it with the word 'racist' instead?

Yeah you did a bit. Please try to stick to facts and reality next time.

Ooooh SORRY i spelt Racist wrong, big deal, was there really any point in bringing that up.
Please stick to facts? eh? that has nothing to do with my comment, what have i made up then?

Russ	08-02-2010 11:53

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Originally Posted by roger skillin (Post 34960243)

Ooooh SORRY i spelt Racist wrong, big deal, was there really any point in bringing that up.
Please stick to facts? eh? that has nothing to do with my comment, what have i made up then?

To show where you're mistaken (I didn't say you've "made up" anything) in your post about 'religion starts wars' would be to take this off topic so if....sorry when it comes up in the next religion bashing thread I'll address it then.

Pierre

08-02-2010 11:59

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The burkha will not be banned in this country. I'm 99.9999999999% certain

Reason? There's no reason for it to be banned.

Derek

10-02-2010 15:24

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34960248)

Reason? There's no reason for it to be banned.

Dunno this would seem to be a pretty compellling reason for any form of full-face covering to be outlawed. :shocked:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/10/bearded_lady/

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A Dubai man whose fiancÃ©e kept her charms hidden under a niqab opted for a quick divorce after his first glimpse beneath the veil revealed she was cross-eyed and sported a beard.

Gary L

10-02-2010 16:46

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34961734)

Dunno this would seem to be a pretty compellling reason for any form of full-face covering to be outlawed. :shocked:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/02/10/bearded_lady/

http://incognitas.ghotihosted.com/SugarwareZ-176.gif

martyh

10-02-2010 16:52

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:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:you couldn't make it up ,never a dull day with muslims around

Gary L

10-02-2010 16:57

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Just goes to show. you never know what's under there, and they really do marry anything :)

papa smurf

10-02-2010 17:09

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A Dubai man whose fiancÃ©e kept her charms hidden under a niqab opted for a quick divorce after his first glimpse beneath the veil revealed she was cross-eyed and sported a beard.

:rofl: so beauty is in the eye of the beholder :sick:

Hugh	10-02-2010 17:58

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34961797)

Just goes to show. you never know what's under there, and they really do marry anything :)

they? :confused:

papa smurf

10-02-2010 18:48

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34961826)

they? :confused:

The plural of he, she, or it. They is never used adjectively, but always as a pronoun proper, and sometimes refers to persons without an antecedent expressed.

Gary L

10-02-2010 19:07

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34961826)

they? :confused:

Ask me a proper question. instead of a pointless one? :D

Hugh	10-02-2010 19:17

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34961862)

Ask me a proper question. instead of a pointless one? :D

I was responding to the pointless statement.....;)

Who do you mean by they?

Gary L

10-02-2010 22:45

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34961866)

Who do you mean by they?

They is the ones who marry anything.

Hugh	11-02-2010 07:51

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34962019)

They is the ones who marry anything.

As usual, Gary, Mr Wriggle and his close friend, Mr Talking-Total-Bolleaux, have taken up residence inside your head, and have taken control of your postings. :D

Maggy

11-02-2010 08:56

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OK Lets play nicely. If anyone can't keep to topic then I suggest that they stop posting and avoid abusing each other..

Gary L

31-03-2010 12:11

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Belgium on Wednesday is set to take a decisive step on whether to ban the Islamic burqa in public, including the street, following a motion submitted by liberal lawmakers.
The parliament's home affairs committee will debate a draft law from 1345 IST which would ban the wearing of the veil in the street, public gardens, sports grounds and public or state offices.
The proposal calls for the banning of any kind of clothes or veils that do not allow the wearer to be fully identified, including the full-face niqab and burqa.

If passed, Belgium will become the first European country to ban the burqa in the street.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Be...rqa-ban/598075

Welshchris

31-03-2010 12:23

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I hope it does and makes way for other countries also to Ban.

Hugh	31-03-2010 14:16

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The (Belgian) home affairs committee voted unanimously to endorse the move, which must be approved by parliament for it to become law.
Such a vote could be held within weeks, correspondents say, meaning that Belgium could become the first European country to implement a ban.......

......Several districts of Belgium have already banned the burka in public places under old local laws originally designed to stop people masking their faces completely at carnival time.

FlimsyBob

31-03-2010 14:54

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Why anyone should not be allowed to hide their face is beyond me, my left leg is still unique to me, can i not hide my face but completely show my left leg? ... i have enough unique birth marks to be identified, if identification is the problem.

Noone has a right to see my face, it's mine, if i want to show it, i will, if not then i won't... same with my ding dong, it's mine and i'll put it on display when i choose not when someone feels they can obligate me into doing so..

Let's just assume anyone not showing their face must have something to hide, yeah great, what a wonderful and friendly society we have... assuming something is bad if it can be misused.

If i took a paper plate, cut two eyes holes in it (used it as a mask), commited a string of robberies, would you then propose that we ban paper plates? ... it did after all act as a tool to hide my identity... i mean come on people!!, anything can be used as a tool to aid in crime... heck i could use a spoon for crime if i really wanted to, or even a toilet roll.... (admittedly i would have to be very creative to use them given things in a crime, but i'm sure you get my point)...

Maggy seems to the closest to any kind of sensible rationale on this topic.

So ban the burka? No. Do i agree with that religion? No, but if they want to cover themselves up, it's fine by me, so ban ... No.

rogerdraig

31-03-2010 17:25

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exactly and with today's make up expertise i think i would worry more about the ones unafraid to be seen

Earl of Bronze

31-03-2010 21:20

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Originally Posted by FlimsyBob (Post 34991686)

I'll tell you all two very good reason's why I am opposed to the Burkha, and its from personal experience....

The first year I worked as a PMC, we had an ex-Republican Guard as our call sign's fixer. He found the body of a woman dumped near where our Principle was inspecting some work he was contracted to look after. The fixer told me that the dead woman had in all likelihood been tried, and executed for wearing jeans instead of traditional islamic clothing. The reason he was able to come to that conclusion, was the single gunshot wound in her groin. It seems this was a favourite way for the faithful to punish immoral women within their own lawless communities. Something to do with the slow agonizing death that this sort of wound gives.... I stopped counting after driving past, or standing over 43 women who had all been full-stopped in the same way.....

The second year I was working as a PMC, I happened to be within 70 meters of female suicide bomber. She not only killed herself, but if memory serves, about 12 to 15 civilians, plus another 30 odd wounded. Yes, a woman in full tent dress, turning herself and others into porno spaghetti, human rain is a rather memorable occasion.... This may also explain why I'm always edgy while sitting around Heathrow waiting for a connecting flight. Too many women in full islamic dress. Makes me want to sit with my back to the structural pillars, at least that way you have some cover....

Arthurgray50@blu

31-03-2010 21:41

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The question is quick to answer, other countries have the guts and courage to make make such a ban.

In this country, they are quick to defend them, top avoid upsetting them and bringing problems to those nice MPs who sit in there nice plush office and don't give a damn what we the public think.

zing_deleted

31-03-2010 21:46

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 34991986)

good post and a very graphic discription of the reality of the situation.

Mr Angry

01-04-2010 00:14

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Originally Posted by zing (Post 34992002)

good post and a very graphic discription of the reality of the situation.

Quite, only the reality of the situation is that 0 suicide bombers in the UK (or indeed 9/11) wore a hijab or burqha.

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Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 34991986)

I stopped counting after driving past, or standing over 43 women who had all been full-stopped in the same way.....

The second year I was working as a PMC, I happened to be within 70 meters of female suicide bomber. She not only killed herself, but if memory serves, about 12 to 15 civilians, plus another 30 odd wounded.

Where and when did these two incidents take place?

rogerdraig

01-04-2010 00:15

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hmm

graphic maybe and personal yes but a reason to ban no

these are hoping you will just be after those you want to ban

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/al...bomber/572043/

this is showing from their experience they will dress to blend in

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-22148012/

from just reading the news most seem to favor being in cars do we ban them too ?

banning just makes it something to rally around ignoring it is the better option

marky

01-04-2010 05:03

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I live in Bolton and I never saw a person wearing one until 9/11
It isnt even a muslim religion must do thing, its an option.
Ban the the things or allow blokes in balaclavas to nip into a bank to draw money out :angel:
I hate the loony left pc rubbish :mad::rolleyes:

On that note This is my England

Arthurgray50@blu

01-04-2010 17:19

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Why is it, that WE have to conform to other countries wishes, that when they come here, and they can do what they want and that includes wearing of the burka, and yet, if we go somewhere, we have to adhere to that counties wishes, and that country insist on - as l have said before, this country is too soft,.

Hugh	01-04-2010 18:26

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Yes, Arthur, you have often, and at great length, said this before.

And you are absolutely right, when we go to Spain or the Balearics, we all immediately wear Spanish clothes, speak Spanish, and eat nothing but Spanish food.

papa smurf

01-04-2010 18:36

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34992678)

Yes, Arthur, you have often, and at great lenght, said this before.

And you are absolutely right, when we go to Spain or the Balearics, we all immediately wear Spanish clothes, speak Spanish, and eat nothing but Spanish food.

indeed we do

Hugh	01-04-2010 18:37

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What you get up to in your own home is entirely your own business....;)

Gary L

01-04-2010 19:46

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34992678)

And you are absolutely right, when we go to Spain or the Balearics, we all immediately wear Spanish clothes, speak Spanish, and eat nothing but Spanish food.

Why?

Ignitionnet

01-04-2010 21:13

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As previously mentioned, very simply, the burka is not a requirement to the practise of Islam, it's a cultural addition, largely from the Middle East. Women are required to dress 'modestly' - this does not equate to a requirement to cover the face, this is purely cultural, notice that it is almost universally isolated to a few countries.

Polygamy is, however, expressly mentioned in the Qur'an, do we allow that?

It's very simple, where exposed faces are required and balaclavas are banned this applies to everyone. There is no religious objection it is purely a cultural one, and one that has no place dictating to ours.

Hugh	01-04-2010 21:19

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34992749)

Why?

Very good song - thanks for reminding me of it.

frogstamper

02-04-2010 00:55

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34992749)

Why?

One more insightful, thought provoking post from Gary....again.:)

speedfreak

02-04-2010 01:01

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Even though I dont tend to agree with them I normally like reading garys posts but i didnt understand the "why"

Good points from ignition there :clap:

Gary L

02-04-2010 07:19

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Why? was in response to FW saying when we go to Spain or the Balearics, we all immediately wear Spanish clothes, speak Spanish, and eat nothing but Spanish food.

I assume he means him and his family, and not 'us' we. and was wondering why they all wear spanish clothes, speak the lingo, and eat only spanish food.

Mr Angry

02-04-2010 08:22

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34992937)

By "they" do you mean the Spanish? Do "us, we" (you) not "do" irony?

Gary L

02-04-2010 08:31

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Originally Posted by Mr Angry (Post 34992953)

By "they" do you mean the Spanish?

Forever and co.

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Do "us, we" (you) not "do" irony?

I don't know what irony is.

Hugh	02-04-2010 09:04

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34992962)

Forever and co.

Once again, your assumption was incorrect

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34992962)

I don't know what irony is.

Like steely, only softer.

Gary L

02-04-2010 09:09

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 34992981)

It's like coppery, silvery, goldy.:D

Nothing to do with creases and clothes then? :)

Hugh	02-04-2010 09:25

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Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 34992989)

Only when pressing your burqa.

Is that a metaphor? ;)

Gary L

18-04-2010 22:29

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Two suicide bombers dressed in burqas struck a crowd of displaced people collecting aid handouts, killing at least 41 and wounding more than 60 on Saturday at a camp in northwest Pakistan.

The bombers struck minutes apart in the Kacha Pukha camp on the outskirts of the garrison city of Kohat, a registration centre for people fleeing Taliban violence and Pakistani army operations close to the Afghan border.

The attacks underscored the grave threat posed by extremists despite stepped-up Pakistani offensives and a significant increase in US drone attacks targeting Taliban and Al-Qaeda-linked commanders in the nearby tribal belt.

"We have 41 dead in the twin suicide bombing. There are 64 injured," local police chief Dilawar Khan Bangash told AFP by telephone.

He said the bombers walked into the crowd wearing burqas, the loose-fitting head-to-toe outfit that obscures the face and worn by conservative Muslim women in parts of northwest Pakistan and Afghanistan.

and Britain.

http://inform.com/politics/burqa-bom...n-camp-906593a

Stuart

18-04-2010 22:37

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Funnily enough, Gary, suicide bombers also wear other clothing, and don't always cover their faces (if you are aiming to kill a load of people, yourself included, you may not worry about being spotted). Apparently, big, baggy jackets are a favourite as they hide the bomb vest well.

Are you going to suggest banning jackets as well?

Gary L

18-04-2010 22:44

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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 35004101)

Are you going to suggest banning jackets as well?

No. just the burkas. if you start a thread on why we should ban jackets I'll consider it a bit more :)

frogstamper

19-04-2010 04:12

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004106)

No. just the burkas. if you start a thread on why we should ban jackets I'll consider it a bit more :)

Gary purely out of curiosity would you care to tell us your age?:) if not is it 1,2,3,4,5

1/ under 15

2/ 15 to 25

3/ 25 to 35

4/ 35 to 45

5/ over 45.

As you can see from my sig I'm a rather old 45 soon to be 46.:)

Sirius

19-04-2010 05:42

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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35004134)

We have more chance of not seeing any more anti Muslim threads from Gary than knowing Gary's age.

As for banning the burka only if we can ban Grays favourite party the BNP

Hugh	19-04-2010 06:40

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004100)

and Britain.

http://inform.com/politics/burqa-bom...n-camp-906593a

And the next day, in the same area, another suicide bomber in a car - best ban cars.....

Gary L

19-04-2010 07:59

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Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 35004134)

Gary purely out of curiosity would you care to tell us your age?:) if not is it 1,2,3,4,5

All them come under the under 15 category :)

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35004139)

As for banning the burka only if we can ban Grays favourite party the BNP

Let's not do politics here :)

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35004147)

And the next day, in the same area, another suicide bomber in a car - best ban cars.....

The topic is about the security implications of wearing a burqa. not the driving of a motorised vehicle.

Maggy

19-04-2010 08:02

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Originally Posted by Gary L

The topic is about the security implications of wearing a burqa. not the driving of a motorised vehicle.

There are security implications for both.After all we haven't as yet in the UK had a suicide bomber delivering his/her bomb dressed in a burkha but we have had an attempt at using a car in a suicide bomb attempt at Glasgow Airport.

Gary L

19-04-2010 08:11

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35004170)

There are security implications for both.After all we haven't as yet in the UK had a suicide bomber delivering his/her bomb dressed in a burkha

We haven't. yet.

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but we have had an attempt at using a car in a suicide bomb attempt at Glasgow Airport.

But that doesn't fit in with the topic/subject of the thread of a burqa. unless the connection is the people that wear the burqas and drive the suicide bombs into public buildings.

Maggy

19-04-2010 08:21

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004174)

We haven't. yet.

But that doesn't fit in with the topic/subject of the thread of a burqa. unless the connection is the people that wear the burqas and drive the suicide bombs into public buildings.

I'm sorry it IS on topic as the suggestion was if we ban the burkha as being a danger to security then we have therefore to ban every form of delivery of a suicide bomb just in case.No vans,cars,lorries,jackets,rucksacks as all have actually been used by suicide bombers.

Gary L

19-04-2010 08:26

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35004178)

I'm sorry it IS on topic

So any discussion on muslims will be on topic in a thread about banning burqas. mosques and religion included?

Maggy

19-04-2010 08:28

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004180)

So any discussion on muslims will be on topic in a thread about banning burqas. mosques and religion included?

No and don't try to make wriggle room..each thread is judged individually for topic drift.

Gary L

19-04-2010 08:31

Re: Ban the burkha ?

So let's ban cars then. debate over :rolleyes:

Maggy

19-04-2010 08:32

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004183)

So let's ban cars then. debate over :rolleyes:

Temper,temper..and I'll survive.;)

Big	19-04-2010 08:39

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Let's ban fertilizers. Oooops, it has been done.

Gary L

19-04-2010 08:43

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35004184)

Temper,temper..and I'll survive.;)

I don't do antagonism ;)

I just don't agree that we have to ban muslims from owning vans,cars,lorries,jackets,rucksacks because they can and have been used for detonating bombs.

Maggy

19-04-2010 08:46

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big (Post 35004187)

Let's ban fertilizers. Oooops, it has been done.

And of course that works doesn't it..

How many people who use fertilizer,cars,vans,lorries,rucksacks,jackets and burkhas HAVE NOT blown anyone up in the UK? ;)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004190)

I don't do antagonism ;)

I just don't agree that we have to ban muslims from owning vans,cars,lorries,jackets,rucksacks because they can and have been used for detonating bombs.

See this post..and we aren't discussing banning Muslims from owning any of those things either...Nice try at deflection.;)

Gary L

19-04-2010 08:47

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big (Post 35004187)

Let's ban fertilizers. Oooops, it has been done.

Digital timers, mobile phones and wire too.

Maggy

19-04-2010 08:47

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004197)

Digital timers, mobile phones and wire too.

Now you are getting the idea of how daft this discussion is...;)

Peter_

19-04-2010 08:59

Re: Ban the burkha ?

This should be a thread about ban the Berk, let alone ban the Burkha.:D;)

As a security issue they should be banned in airports, back on topic here.:D

Hugh	19-04-2010 09:01

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004180)

So any discussion on muslims will be on topic in a thread about banning burqas. mosques and religion included?

Gary, your holistic all-encompassing knowledge of the art of debate has convinced me - you really are a complete master debater......:)

Gary L

19-04-2010 09:04

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35004198)

Now you are getting the idea of how daft this discussion is...;)

I'm amazed how it's drifted from the original topic as stated in post #1
my post was an example of what the burqa can conceal which went along with the original topic. only to be dismissed with talk about having to ban cars:)

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Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35004207)

Gary, your holistic all-encompassing knowledge of the art of debate has convinced me - you really are a complete master debater......:)

And you're a complete truck :)

Maggy

19-04-2010 09:15

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masque (Post 35004205)

This should be a thread about ban the Berk, let alone ban the Burkha.:D;)

As a security issue they should be banned in airports, back on topic here.:D

But so should fertilizer,cars,vans,lorries,jackets and rucksacks which have all ACTUALLY BEEN USED in the UK to deliver suicide bombs if you ban the burkha which has NOT BEEN used in the UK to deliver suicide bombs.

However if you are actually referring to the burkha being used to hide identity at security points then you have a case for a ban on anyone refusing to remove their burkha and identify themselves(to a woman) from entering the aeroplane,bank,country but not an overall total blanket ban on the wearing of the burkha.;)

Gary L

19-04-2010 09:21

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35004218)

However if you are actually referring to the burkha being used to hide identity at security points then you have a case for a ban on anyone refusing to remove their burkha and identify themselves(to a woman) from entering the aeroplane,bank,country.;)

Why do people want people wearing a burka to hide their identity at 'security points' not allowed to wear them?

is it because they might have a 'bomb' concealed. or we just want to be able to see who they are?

we haven't had a burqa bomb concealing yet. so it can't be because of that.
I don't even know why we have the scanners for if we're not worried about the possibility of someone wearing a burqa concealing a bomb because it hasn't happened yet.

if they were going to bring a bomb. they'd leave it in the motorised vehicle they arrived in outside.
that one has happened before.

Hugh	19-04-2010 09:24

Re: Ban the burkha ?

And in English?

Gary L

19-04-2010 09:25

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 35004223)

And in English?

There are no bombs in burqas.

Peter_

19-04-2010 09:39

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35004218)

The is no reason for a complete ban, only in areas where proof of identity is required.

Kymmy

19-04-2010 09:45

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35004218)

And all the above are used by people.. Identify the person and you have taken more action in the process of security than any other action such as banning. Burkha's are designed so you can not see the face, I don't though see the need for a complete ban only the need for more sympathy by the wearers with the security of the UK in mind. If this means showing your face to a female official at all security checkpoints then so be it..

As far as it goes in the streets I don't think the Burkha is any worse than a big puffa jacket combined with a hoodie

Maggy

19-04-2010 09:48

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004225)

There are no bombs in burqas.

Does not compute.does not compute

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35004233)

I agree..I was merely trying pointing out to Gary why foreverwar's point was a valid one to make in the thread and wasn't off topic.;)

Kymmy

19-04-2010 09:54

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004225)

There are no bombs in burqas.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004197)

Digital timers, mobile phones and wire too.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004183)

So let's ban cars then. debate over :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004190)

I don't do antagonism ;)

I just don't agree that we have to ban muslims from owning vans,cars,lorries,jackets,rucksacks because they can and have been used for detonating bombs.

Cars, lorries, mobile phones and most electronics are traceable.. Also have you not heard the recent radio adverts guiding the public as to being more vigilant as to purchases or materials/tools that could be used and also other suspicious activity..

In the end as my other post it's the person that takes the action of setting off the bomb, identify the person and you're 90% effective at stopping the act.

Gary L

19-04-2010 10:02

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 35004240)

In the end as my other post it's the person that takes the action of setting off the bomb, identify the person and you're 90% effective at stopping the act.

We already know who the persons are. we're already at the 90% stage.

Kymmy

19-04-2010 10:13

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Nope, knowing a name is less than 5%..

Identify as in knowing who a person's real identity is for the person a security person has in front of them.. A name is just a name unless you can put it together with a body in a location..

Look at the Bin Laden thread.. America has known the name since before 9/11/01 but unless they can locate the body (alive or dead) it's useless to them

Sirius

19-04-2010 13:54

Re: Ban the burka ?

Look lets cut to the chase on this Gary.

Is it the fact you don't like the people underneath the burka because of there religion

or

is it you just don't like the fact they cover there faces when they wear the burka and because of that they should ban the Burka. ???????

martyh

19-04-2010 14:03

Re: Ban the burka ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35004366)

nail, head and hitting spring to mind ;)

Big	19-04-2010 14:16

Re: Ban the burkha ?

There are cases that the burka can be a very welcome alternative, for example when a BOH is an absolute must.

Sirius

19-04-2010 14:50

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big (Post 35004373)

There are cases that the burka can be a very welcome alternative, for example when a BOH is an absolute must.

:LOL:

Gary L

19-04-2010 14:56

Re: Ban the burka ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35004366)

Can I have some more options. just to make it fair?

Hugh	19-04-2010 15:16

Re: Ban the burkha ?

Only if they are ones you might choose in reality....:LOL:

Sirius

19-04-2010 15:43

Re: Ban the burka ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004391)

Can I have some more options. just to make it fair?

No

Have the balls and tell us

Gary L

19-04-2010 16:45

Re: Ban the burka ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35004420)

No

Have the balls and tell us

Ok. I'll work on the only 2 that you have given me.

Quote:

Is it the fact you don't like the people underneath the burka because of there religion

No.

Quote:

is it you just don't like the fact they cover there faces when they wear the burka and because of that they should ban the Burka. ???????

No.

Them 2 specific questions can only be answered truthfully as they stand. you have asked specific questions with 2 end results that you chose. I could elaborate on my given answers, but we'll just work on the 2 specific ones you asked.

Sirius

19-04-2010 17:05

Re: Ban the burka ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004451)

Ok. I'll work on the only 2 that you have given me.

No.

No.

Them 2 specific questions can only be answered truthfully as they stand. you have asked specific questions with 2 end results that you chose. I could elaborate on my given answers, but we'll just work on the 2 specific ones you asked.

Dont you worry that answer i am sure will go a hell of a long way in showing all on this forum where you stand and why nearly all the threads you create on this froum involve a certain religion.

:tu:

Maggy

19-04-2010 17:06

Re: Ban the burka ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35004451)

Blood,stone,wring.:rolleyes:

So please give a specific reason why you think the burkha should be banned in the UK.

Sirius

19-04-2010 17:12

Re: Ban the burka ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35004459)

Blood,stone,wring.:rolleyes:

So please give a specific reason why you think the burkha should be banned in the UK.

I hope he answers you just as well as he answered me. He has now fully informed me by his evasive answer what i and others needed to know.

Gary L

19-04-2010 17:14

Re: Ban the burka ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35004459)

Blood,stone,wring.:rolleyes:

So please give a specific reason why you think the burkha should be banned in the UK.

I don't know where I've said it should be banned, first off. and I have given my reasons why it shouldn't be worn at certain places many many times.

they just keep being overlooked :rolleyes:

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35004461)

I hope he answers you just as well as he answered me. He has now fully informed me by his evasive answer what i and others needed to know.

Which is?

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