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This country is fighting a war. Now whether you agree with it or not, its happening. If anyone wants to stop it, lobby the government, demonstrate against them. You don't shoot the messenger.
We currently have a forces recruitment shortage, we need young men & women, demonstrations like this do not enhance recruitment. We are currently engaged in so many overseas conflicts, as peacekeepers, advisers, yes even combatants. Most in places some of you have never heard of. Our forces are following orders. Orders from a democratically elected government. Now this government may be weak at the knees, they may be selling our culture, heritage, history & way of life down the river, but to change anything starts with the ballot box. Unfortunately, the ballot box has failed, the government has failed, & is continuing to fail on a daily basis. Muslims are walking all over us & demanding more & more. Marching on this little town would be the final straw. It only takes a spark to set a fire. This is far too volatile to allow. There is so much more to this than just a protest. Personally, I`m sick & tired of hearing about Muslims. Muslim this & Muslim that. For crying out loud, just get on with your own life & stop trying to change ours. Not many of you have ever been involved in a conflict, so you know nothing. I can tell you this, when lads come home, on leave, some after bagging their friends body up, & see these, *****s demonstrating against them, tempers will rise. No discipline in the world will overcome the emotions. ---------- Post added at 23:45 ---------- Previous post was at 23:42 ---------- Quote:
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Now now girls, lets all kiss and make up. I have not got time to sit at a computer all day but this post, from my last visit, has become very heated. Right or wrong, this march should not be allowed to happen. It will offend most of the UK born citizens who hold christian values, unless someone comes back and tells me this is a fantasy and I have to back this statement up with Mori poll facts.
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I'll let you in on a secret, though it's not really a secret.... When I was in the army back in the 80's and 90's, I and my mates didn't really give a toss about Kuwait or Saudi when Op Granby started. We had been given a job to do, and we cracked on, not really caring about the larger political implications of leaving Saddam and the Baath Party in power after kicking the crap out of the Iraqi Army.... It wasn't much of a war, but it was fun. ;) The UN Mission in Bosnia during their Civil War was different. Lots of blokes who did time there wanted to get stuck in and give the Serbs a pasting. Again, not because of freedom and democracy, but because we hated seeing the Serbs murdering women, kids and old men and women. Doing that breaks the most basic code of the warrior. Add in the UN weapons embargo against the entire country and the Serbs ended up with the lions share of the military hardware and the ability to do as they pleased.... From speaking to a lifelong friend of mine, who is a Staff Sgt in one of the local TA infantry battalions. Who has done operational tours in both Iraq and Afghan, it seems similar sentiments are running through the army. Most agree that Iraq was a disaster, but Afghan is worth cracking on with.... From my own experience in Bosnia, I'm pretty sure the blokes in Afghan empathize with the plight of the average Afghan civi. But all the politicians talk in the UK about building democracy, putting girls in schools, etc etc etc is pretty much meaningless.... They are there to find and kill the enemy, others can do the building.... One last point before I finish.... We all recognize that when the troops get sent into harms way, and blood becomes the issue. We'll kill for you, but if we die, it's for our mates and the people we love. Not for Queen and Country, because that comcept is too big to rationalize.... I'll not be taking any further part in this discussion, as I've said more than I intended, and prolly caused some confusion as well.... |
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So basically, (some) soldiers are just looking for a 'bit of action'. Smashing...
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Read "The Earls" post again.
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I did. Several times. It didn't change.
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I was in the armed forces, early 70's. Not a troublesome time I agree, but I would try to discourage any family member of mine to give up his life for Queen and country. Family and mates yes. I can understand where The Earl is coming from. If this country was invaded I would do my best to protect "my way of life" not the Gordon Browns or the Queens.
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All kinds of people join the army for all kinds of reasons.... A guy I was in the army cadets joined the Royal Engineers to get a trade, while he was in the army. Perfectly valid reason if you ask me.... Other people join up because they are bored of the jobs they where doing in civistreet, and decide they want to do something else.... Perfectly reasonable reason to join up I think.... Other people join up because they have nowhere else to go.... Again a perfectly valid reason to join up.... Me on the other hand.... It was a calling, or vocation or whatever its called.... I decided at about 12 or 13 I was gonna be a soldier, and then dedicated myself to attaining the very high target I set myself. If I hadn't broken my right shoulder, four ribs, my left collar bone, my jaw and fractured my skull I'd most likely still be in the army. Perhaps I might have even passed Selection which was my goal.... As for *some soldiers looking for a bit of action*.... What do you expect.... You join up, and if presented with the opportunity to test the skills you've trained for years, then you crack on and see if you can do the job you took The Queens Shilling to do.... To be completely blunt about it, and maybe ever shatter some people's rose coloured spectacles.... The first skills an soldier learns are those that enable you to kill other humans. Killing is the most basic function of a soldier. If you can't grasp that concept, then you really will never understand what I'm trying to say.... |
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However do you really think that fighting and reducing the Taliban and Al Qaeda is not defending this country from terrorist attacks?Is that not protecting our freedoms?:erm: |
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We wouldn't be there Maggie if we where not under the USA's thumb. What your (and my father) fought for was an ideal, a real belief in freedom. This is not the same fight There are plenty of vids on you tube depicting the way the world is going, Oil, minerals and, oh I forgot, religious beliefs. Lets keep this one in perspective.
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Boy if i had served with some of the liberal mealy mouthed sods in this thread i would have been worried.
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It sickens me to think that some here are more willing to allow this march and sour the name of our lads than stand up and show they have a pair. I hope we never have to go to war and call up some of the liberal lay downs that we have seen post in this thread because if we do we are doomed from the outset.
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Marches and celebrations in supports of our armed forces are permitted. Marches and demonstrations against our forces, way of life etc should not be permitted. Is that the general consensus? ---------- Post added at 09:58 ---------- Previous post was at 09:57 ---------- Quote:
From what I can see it looks like you're totally misunderstanding some of the attitudes in this thread. Your support for the forces is commendable but they are not untouchable. Democracy dictates people can protest against them even if they are fundamentalist nutters. As I said earlier if the BNP or AFL are permitted to demonstrate then so should these brain donors. |
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I can understand that those with connections to the forces will feel livid about what the protesters want to do. But in this thread have been implications that because the protest is against our soldiers that it should somehow be prevented from happening using violence or other such means.
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He's annoyed that a bunch of people whom he broadly categorizes as "bottom-dwelling asshats, treasonous, beardy, retarded, mouthy, spineless ***** who hate everything we stand for...." have the apparent audacity to broadly categorize people he respects as "baby killers, rapists and war criminals". Is that about it? |
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Better be careful, before you know it people will actually be saying that it's ok for groups to demonstrate against Islamic extremism or Islamification even outside a Mosque.
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Yup! PR dressing but clever. Makes them appear rational and concerned more about Afghanistan than insulting people.
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The PM won't talk and the protest won't go ahead.
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Looks like they've unplugged their site :)
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It is his right, whether we like it or not, in a supposedly democratic society to express those views. There are many hundreds of thousands of people in the UK who do not believe, and have never believed, that the life of one british soldier should have ever been wasted in Afghanistan and, whilst I appreciate this might come as somewhat of an unstereotypical surprise to you, many of those hundreds of thousands are neither muslim nor could they be classified as "bottom-dwelling asshats, treasonous, beardy, retarded, mouthy, spineless ***** who hate everything we stand for...." You, clearly, fail to understand that - along with the fact that this march was never intended to take place and was, as with 99.9% of their previously announced contentious events, designed to whip up and expose anti muslim feelings in the UK. You have served their ends well. |
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Seeing as there is a need to clarigfy our positions i will clarify mine i have no problem with anyone protesting anything they damn well want too but with the freedom to protest comes a little responsibility. Also these people are not so much protesting this war as the people fighting it and basing it on what they THINK is going on not what actually is.
Protest the war havn't got a problem with that protest the army being whereever also don't have a problem with that. But you do not go to the one place that shows complete respect for our fallen service people and then educate them on what is going on in those combat zones with a load of lies and biased rubbish that is a figment for the most part of their twisted imagination. There have to be limits to what you can do and where you can do it. Hands up those who believe they would be marching through wootton if that wasn't the place our deceased service people come home through ???. This isn't a protest this isn't a demonstration it IS a slap in the face for this country and the services and some on here expect it to be allowed and cheek turned. No enough is enough if these people really have the problem they claim to have then let them actually demonstrate that with meaningful actions like leaving the UK and going to whereever they want and doing something other then talking out of their back orrifice. Being a democracy doens't mean you have to bend over backwards for the whim of every group of five hundred it means majority rules and this group is by no means a majority but is upsetting the majority so being truly democratic the march should be banned should it not ??. Would i commit acts of violence against these people not without provacation and i am certain they will do as much of that as they can so in the end i would probably end up slapping someone. Because you have the right to disagree with what a country\government does but you do not have the right to smear the memory and honour of people that gave their life for this country and attack those who are no longer able because of their service to counter any vile disgusting accusations. These people are **** and once upon a time we called them what they are traitors and dealt with them accordingly but were too civilised to do that now so we allow them to roam about spewing crap out of every orrifice and we say and do nothing to the point it has become a habit to do nothing and most are comfortable with that. |
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Do you know what makes me sick, our boys and girls fight all over the world to give people the freedom that country needs, we fight in sometimes hazardous conditions, our forces get killed fighting for that freedom, and we get some stupid Islamic groups who condemn our boys and girls for doing this, and what do the government do - absolutely nothing, we have these groups Living in THIS country on benefits that we the BRITISH public pay taxes for, so that THEY can comdemn our forces, and what does our government do - absolutley nothing to hurt them, but all they are doing is allowing them, to condemn us - who will l vote for in the next election, no one, they are crap to allow this to happen. argh.
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And............................breathe.
We don't want this to happen to you, Arthur, do we? https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...010/01/117.jpg |
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Damien democracy is not an automatic right that comes with no responsibility and the majority can be treated anyway any small group decides or be abused and hurt for a very very small minority of deluded moeons (being very polite). You also didn't answer my point of if this wasn't the location that our service people are honoured would they even go near the place.
There have to be some lines that are not allowed to be crossed just so some ridiculous little bunch of traitorous malcontents can spew their hatred remember they are not interested in facts, they are going to publicise what they think is the truth or as is more likely what they feel will offend the most people in the fastest fashion. Try and put yourself in the position of just one of the family's that lost a loved one while serving this country and imagine how you would feel hearing some benefit scrounging lunatic smearing the memory of your loved one still ok is it to let this type of rubbish go ahead for the sake of democracy because that isn't democracy. You also seemed to have missed the part where i said i have no problem with demonstration or protest done in the correct way in the appropriate place wootton bassett is neither of those and is only being targetted to offend people. No one is forgetting the civilian casualties in all of this trust me all service personnel and ex remember them and consider them a lot more often then many would realise. End point is that our services go where they are ordered not where they want to go or where they feel they are justified going they are as powerless in these things as the civilians. That's why i have no problem with I4UK protesting\demonstrating in london or anywhere the government is but not in the place that our dead are bought home and honoured is it really that hard to understand. I am very glad to see the muslim community coming out in opposition to this as well and hope that continues so that this episode by one pathetic little group doesn't harm the relations between far larger and reasonable groups in the UK It does look as though labour are for once going to do the right thing though i doubt they would if there wasn't an election around the corner. |
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Democracy is an automatic right in this country. One which is defended by people in the army (or should be) and hence the respect they are afforded. It is not a right which is denied the moment someone says something we don't like. The fact people would be upset is horrible but it's not reason enough to ban it. We can ban many a freedom based on that criteria, unless they plan to use violence there is little we can do. One day you might find yourself in a minority, saying something the majority doesn't like, and would you want the majority to simply shut you up? |
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Having just read this headline, it must be obvious to all that one of the problems we now have, is that these "Self styled leaders" have the Gaul to "Demand" audiences with the PM. This guy should be tried for treason let alone lead a group of misfits & radicals, hell bent on changing our way of life. Just who the heck do these Muppet's think they are? Its about time you decent Muslims took hold of your "Fellow Muslims" & sorted them out. |
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The way I see this is pretty simple really, let these self-appointed pratts march, but not in Wooten Bassett.
What right do they have to spout their sick hatred their? let them have an hour or so in their own back yard, not the place where our fallen soldiers make their last goodbye. Anyway on a separate note none of these haters want to live in a democracy anyway, so a straight NO from the authorities should be good enough. BTW I'm proud to be a liberal, and see no conflict in that and opposing these morons. |
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He should be called in for "back to work" interviews weekly, and if he is not actively seeking work (with supporting evidence), his benefits should be stopped (imho).
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I don't normaly promote these, but in this case I will make an exeption.
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Whilst I'm pretty sure very few people in the UK actually support what Choudary is proposing can we not post calls for his murder on this thread. I've had to remove a number of posts inciting violence which are unacceptable.
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To answer your point directly Damien if i ever find myself being a minority and preparing to make false accusations and lie about people who i have never known smearing their memory i damn well hope everyone would shut me up before i do damage. I really do love the attitude a couple on here have of "we prove our democracy by allowing ourselves to be messed on by anyone that wants to" what a great way of thinking.
If the bnp or the edl or any of those other idiotic groups wanted to march through a muslim area just for the sake of it being a muslim area yes i would also oppose that and call for that to be banned as well. No one is saying remove the right to protest or demonstrate all that is being said is that there are appropriate places to do it and that's where they should conduct said protest\demonstration i don't see whats wrong with that and in no way is it silencing anyone. People choose place's like this when they don't have a message when they don't have a point and all they do have is the place to use to offend, that isn't something we should ever encourage or allow in a civilised society because it is a form of bullying in itself. Also i think we have to ask when allowing\banning any protest do the people in the area the protest\demonstration is being planned to take place deserve to have it in their area, have they contributed sufficiently to the root cause of a problem to be protested against and i think we all know the answer to that one on this occasion don't we. |
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this guy Choudary his family and all his supporters and their families should be deported out of this country. I couldnt care less that he was born here he should lose his rights to call himself British because of his actions. Give him a tent and drop him and his off in the mountains of Afghanistan see how he likes that( and perhaps tip the army off about where he is ;))
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If the 2nd child doesn't return the punch, the 1st child learns that they can punch away with impunity or if the 1st child is looking for a response, they will increase the violence until they achieve a response. The 'Neville Chamberlain' approach doesn't work.
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this whole protest against thier protest just gives them the publicity they want much better to let them march ( not at the same time as any soldiers are being brought back ) and ignore them dont get tv there or press and everyone could just go inside when they turn up that would have a bigger efect on them not doing it more often than anything else |
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If they were just ignored, they'd probably find a more extreme way to gain our attention. Either way, it's inevitable that one day soon, there's going to be blood spilt on our streets because of these fools.
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Roger of course it doesn't what it would mean is you only protest at a place that is the main cause of a problem or a symbol of that problem. Wootton does not deserve this attention and by announcing this these slimeballs have people talking about wootton for the wrong reason not the biggest reason it is usually talked about. I guess if they announced a plan to go march in a cemetary of war dead making their speeches and spewing their hate that would be ok as well with some on here.
Half our problem in this country is we are being too accomadating to people who do not deserve it nor value that accomadation and that shouldn't be an auitomatic right it should be something that is earned by the people of any country. We are so scared nowadays of offending anyone that when the time comes and something should be opposed we just lie down and do nothing because we have got used to doing that. |
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We have several options.
1. blockage WB from these planned marchers. 2. let them march but everybody turns there back on them (this was done in the past to people who left in disgrace.) 3. let them march and throw shoes at them (A insult to muslims) IMHO the most legal, and less volitile is number 2. |
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We would not be allowed to stage a similar protest in any muslim country because the locals would attack us and probably kill us.
This march must be banned simply because letting it go ahead will be a propaganda coup for all muslims who hate the west. This march would not be ignored by the media as they know that the would be a massive story to be had here with the distinct prospect of some serious rioting. Anyone that thinks that this march should be allowed to go ahead need to look in the mirror and say the following out loud. "Am I really that stupid and gullible to believe that this protest if allowed will go ahead in a peaceful manner" If you still think yes then you need to give yourself a good hard slap to try and make you come to your senses. We have enough hand wringing simpering fools as it is in this country, so wake up and smell the coffee. |
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One thing me must remember about this.
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I have been saying for months that this country is so soft, its like butter. This government allows this to go on with this guy, they they still pay his benefit, and allow him and his family to stay in this country. This is the annoying part about this whole damn situation.
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now here's an interesting development [please dont shoot the messenger]
BNP Leaders Vow to Physically Block Islamist Wootton Bassett March The three highest publicly elected British National Party officials, GLA member Richard Barnbrook and MEPs Nick Griffin and Andrew Brons, have vowed to physically block the road in Wootton Bassett should the authorities permit the threatened Islamist march in that town to proceed. In an official statement, the BNP announced that it would “defend Wootton Bassett and the memory of our fallen heroes. Nick Griffin MEP, Andrew Brons MEP and Richard Barnbrook AM will block the path of the Muslim fanatics.” The statement said that the party had warned the authorities after the Luton incident that unless militant Islamism was curbed in Britain, the problem would grow worse. “Do you remember the outrageous scenes in Luton when our returning soldiers were abused and spat on by fanatical ‘British’ Muslims?,” the statement said. “The British National Party stated then that this was only the beginning of such vile displays as militant Islam flexes its muscles on our streets. “We warned the authorities that unless the Government took firm action against these evil haters of all things British, they would become more provocative. “Well, now as predicted, it’s happened. It has just been announced that the organisation ISLAM4UK, (a platform for the fanatical Al Muhajiroun group) led by Mr Anjem Choudary and a mob of at least 500 Islamic extremists plan to defile the memory of our dead soldiers by marching their hatred through Wootton Basset. “This is the town through which the flag-draped coffins of our fallen servicemen and women are brought home. It is where families go to pay their respects to our glorious dead as they make the solemn journey to their final resting place. The thought of 500 hateful Islamists desecrating this place and spitting in the face of every true British citizen and the grief-stricken relatives of the dead is truly beyond the pale. “It must be stopped! We will not have this! They shall not pass! “The British National Party is under increasing pressure to bring thousands of our angry members onto the streets to stop this outrage. “However, we are mindful of the sensitive nature and dignity of Wootton Basset and do not wish to add to the problems now faced by the good people of that town, or the families of our fallen soldiers. “With this in mind, the British National Party WILL take a stand in defence of our heroes by having our two MEPs and our London assembly member use their own bodies to physically block the street and any attempt by Muslim fanatics to insult the memory of our fallen soldiers. “We appeal to the authorities to do the right thing and arrest these traitorous Muslim fanatics. We are at war. Our men and women are being killed on a daily basis and we are expected to put up with this gross outrage and insult to the families of the fallen. Make no mistake, we are earnest on this issue. “If the authorities lack the courage and moral fibre to confront this disgusting Muslim march of hate, we believe that the presence of our three highest-profile elected politicians in a peaceful yet highly symbolic defiance of the Muslim mob, will force the Government to ban this vile march. “If they do not, the PR consequences for them and public support for us will be immeasurable,” the BNP statement concluded. |
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but to put a blanket ban on is wrong |
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if they manage to cause violence on their own they then play into our hands in the PR side of all this anyhow but changing the way the law works because of what they are plays right into their PR machines hands if people cant just ignore them ( which i still say is the best option turning you back to the march etc ) then more ground would be gained by say asking if more people could join them on the march carrying coffins for those Muslims who have died trying to march for democracy in that country often hailed as the democratic Muslim country of Iran that way they are forced into debating amoungst them selves rather than just aiming at those outside of their faith divide and ..... much better than attacking a few misguided footsoldiers while the leaders look on and laugh at all that free publicity they are now getting |
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With ideas like yours m8 we`ll all be wailing 5 times a day. These people arnt your everyday Muslims, these people are Fanatics, Terrorist supporters who openly call for Muslim rule, members & creators of known Terrorist groups, people who promote the killing of BRITISH troops, have you any idea what your dealing with here? The ordinary Muslim doesn't give a crap about these causes, he wants to live in peace & watch his kids grow up, these diseases just want to rule the god damned world & it doesn't matter who gets in the way. Iran, what a joke, are you serious m8. Even Chamberlain would be spinning in his grave. |
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and all i see is a press that seems to be doing its best to give these people a platform to advertise themselves |
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It really would be better not to ban/censor them, and ignore their march on Wootton Basset. They would soon look stupid if people aren't paying them attention and there are no press or cameras there. It would just be a few guys shouting in a street. The problem is that won't happen. Elevating the small numbers of **** like Islam4UK (which we are helping to do with the coverage) is exactly what groups like Islam4Uk and the BNP are aiming for. They want conflict between Muslims and Non-Muslims. Not because they want to protect Wootton Bassett from political opportunism, after all the BNP have used it in the past despite objections from the town/army, but because it's part of a campaign they have to persuade more people to join their campaign against Muslims. Being banned or attacked is exactly what Islam4UK need to try and persuade Muslims that Briton's are actively hostile towards them. Some moderate Muslims would be well justified to wonder why groups like the British Defence League can march outside Mosques and areas with high amounts of Muslims but Muslims get banned from staging a similarly provocative protest. |
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5/6 people in Luton? Then how come 7 Muslims are facing charges?:confused:
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That's 7 who where charged, not how many where there in total.
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So if you can't go to the pub because you might bump into someone you don't want to meet, and you go out another night somewhere else, you have been "effectively banned" from going to the first pub? |
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Send them all back and while they're at it send gordon brown back to scotland.
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Back where, Muslimia?
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b) no there wasn't - there was incitement to violence by the idiots protesting, but could you please provide a link to the violence that took place, as I can't find it (but more than willing to accept it did, if you can provide a link). btw, 4 of the protesters were jailed for that. I do love your phrase "effectively banned" - it is "effectively meaningless" (imho) (or does it mean they didn't get what they wanted, so they are going to go cry to their mummies?) So, in summary - the marches in Harrow you said were banned, weren't; the violence you said took place at the anti-Danish cartoon protests in London, didn't. You appear to have a proclivity to sub-optimal interpretation of available information (translated - you make stuff up to support your viewpoint ;)). Quote:
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I think he has a point, if these people hate it here and us so much lets do them a favour and strip them of their subject/citizenship status. |
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And where would they go then? No country would be required to take them, they'd end up getting sent back here.
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Oh god we are going off at asngles now arn't we lol. I think what SMG is referring too in relation to nazi germany Damien is they too started off as a very small group of malcontents and grew very quickly. While i do not see anything of that scale happening in this instance it is a semi valid point about the dangers of ignoring people when they are small because if you do they usually do grow tothe point where they cannot be ignored or even stopped.
Now as far as i am concerned anyone of these things that go on this march should immediately have their benefit stopped because if they can go here and there marching they can damn well get a job so shouldn't need to be kept by the state. We have become too soft in this country i don't really see how that can be argued otherwise. This is a bunch of people that claim to hate us all and our way of life yet are so committed to their cause they continue to live here enjoying all the benefits literally. These are not devoted committed people they are **** pure and simple attacking a country and way of life because they are allowed to do it and take us all for a ride in the process. It is a joke and not remotely funny and i cannot imagine any other country allowing it. As for democratic iran oh yeah highly democratic that lot rig an election and open fire on everyone that opposes them. We often talk about social problems on this forum and the young and much of the trouble is a lack of identity and pride in their country and allowing things like this to go ahead makes that worse. Now is the time for us to get some pride back into our country and those who serve to protect us day in and day out not allow a bunch of mealy mouthed traitors to march whereever they want just so we don't appear nasty or undemocratic. When you allow yourself to be walked over you cannot complain and too many people now are getting sick of it whether it is happening to the degree some would have us believe or not is no longer relevent groups like the bnp are fast making inroads into public support because of issue's like this and for that reason alone we have to do something. |
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