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It didn't appear on BBC HD

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I didn't really see a lot of it (the subtitles were one which obscured a lot of it), but I *really* hope the BBC don't go down this route. I'd prefer that they don't have any captions on screen, but if they have to, at least make them small and tasteful like those used on ITV.

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Fine episode apart from that. Some double or triple episodes I have seen in various SciFi shows feel like they have stretched the story of one episode to fit in two or three. This really didn't. If anything, the first episode felt like it had too much in it.

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Yup. Only on BBC1 in England (& the live iPlayer stream).

Not in Wales, not in Scotland, not on BBC HD.


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As well as Simon Pegg & Charlie Brooker commenting on it via Twitter (links earlier), here's what Matthew Graham (executive producer of Ashes To Ashes) had to say:

http://twitter.com/BarCough/status/12815087254


Article at DS: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/s7/...up-norton.html

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I would hope that, given the sheer level of anger this has generated, they will realise that it's best not to do it again...

The BBC is not Sky. It's not ITV. It's not some stupid US Network. It's the bloody BBC. We expect better, and deserve better, from our publicly funded public service broadcaster, especially when it is showing its flagship Saturday evening show on its main channel. To have an on-screen banner at any time is ridiculous enough as it is, but to have one pop up right at the climax of the episode, spoiling the tension & immersion, is utter stupidity.


Very good episode though, yep. Raises some interesting questions too regarding River.

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It's even made the BBC News page:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8642854.stm

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Yeah, I saw that.

Not good enough, IMO. All they're apologising for is the timing, there's no apology for using a banner in the first place, & no promise that they won't use one again.

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I can email it to you if you want it?

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At last, 4 episodes in, they finally deliver a decent episode.

For my money, the weeping angels are the no.1 Dr Who scary monster.

Looking forward to part two, I hope Moffat hasn't inhereited RTDs knack of making a good part 1 and then completely tossing it up in a lame part 2.

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Someone else did it for me in the end - much appreciate the offer thought :) :tu:

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Well, finally got to watch Saturday's ep last night. Absolutely top rate. Even Mrs T was cowering when the angel came out of the TV set. (Anyone else seen The Ring, BTW? I reckon Moffat was channelling :D ).

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All I know is it scared the crap out of Peter so it was great :)

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I just read they are doing another 'Ring' film in 3d - MMMmmm

Anyway in other Who related news - the BBC apologises AGAIN ;)

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/cult/s7/...who-trail.html

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... that will be because I just sent in a complaint. The Beeb listens to me, you know. :D

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What, The Graham Norton trailer? :D

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I got an e-mail back today about the complaint - its also on the complaints site.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/resp...amnorton.shtml

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Same here. The email pretty much said the same as the Complaints site.

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Yep, I got the standard reply too. Unfortunately I think in all the focus on last Saturday's mess, they may miss the important, wider point: that it is incredibly annoying to see promos of this kind on top of any programme, not just Doctor Who. It's just disrespectful of all the people who worked to make the programme and contemptuous of the viewers who tuned in to watch and enjoy the show, not to sit and be advertised at.

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Totally :tu:

Squeezing the end credits, or simply talking over them, is also extremely annoying, and something I wish all broadcasters would stop doing.

Banners ("IPPs" according to people at DS) like we had on Saturday really are the worst intrusion though. And it is bad enough when the commercial channels do this sort of US-style nonsense, but for the BBC to do it - on anything - is just plain wrong. It's a publicly funded public service broadcaster & should not be doing all this sort of self-promoting commercial rubbish.

When I see these sort of things, I get the impression that the broadcasters consider myself and all the other viewers to be idiots.

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I've sent them a follow-up complaint along those specific lines. Let's see what they have to say.

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Reminds of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yrm2dj6bIU0

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Excellent result.

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Especially as the sole purpose of the show being trailed is to provide advertising for some west end show, which, IMO, violates the BBC no advertising rule anyway.

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A good conclusion to the story, I think.

Nice additions to this series' arc too... More on the crack, with confirmation of earlier fan speculation that Amy is tied to everything somehow. And River... Interesting... I wonder if she "killed" The Doctor?

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Excellent line from Amy at the end, when she

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Funny that 26/06/2010 is a Saturday eh?? So that will make is episode 12?

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I can't believe he was trying to say no to her :(

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Am I the only one who thought Amy sounded like a child when the Doc left her in the forest?

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well he does and in ep one he was very late back twice

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Rather convenient timing :D

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Perhaps I'm too old and decrepit, but given the age group the programme is aimed at, I thought it was wrong for Amy to act that way at the end of the episode.

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I don't think that was entirely her.

I think there's something else going on there.

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Agree fully, The whole season revolves around this problem she has or whats inside of her..

Starting to get really Interested in Smith now. Great doctor to be fair

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Episode 13 (the season finale) will transmit on June 26th :)

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Did anyone else notice that while he was telling Amy that she had to keep her eyes closed and stay with the clerics, that you could see him wearing the tweed jacket that he had left in the hands of the angel, you could see the left shoulder a slight continuity error.:D

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Yep, I got that one straight away. :) I guess it is really (in Amy time) tomorrow morning.

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Well, forum members on DS have found photos that appear to she her being pregnant: http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/s....php?t=1222225

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I saw that but not on DS I thought it was on here thats why I didnt mention it. Saw a pic of her pregnant sat next to the Doc with a story saying is it the Docs or her fiancés .

I've grown to like Matt, I didnt like it when Tennant took over then I thought he was great, the same has happened here for me. I'm going to be gutted when this series ends.

River Song is a big part of it but I'm wondering if the Doc is too obvious a choice with who she killed

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Yes they are from the 7th episode.

the official plot details

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spoilers on here should be banned! Cant help but click :(

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Close....I was never good at maths!

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Just - the group stages of the World Cup will be over!

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Its only an episode plot outline. Not realyl a spoiler as such.

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Don't forget it's on at 6.00pm tonight, I wish they'd stop messing around with the time slot.

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They are called spoilers for a reason, your fault if you click on them ;)

Ditto.

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Well that could cause a few problems... :D

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Anyone see Beth Willis (exec producer) on Confidential?

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1273346303

:D

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That part has just happened on BBC HD. :D

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Indeed and like Stephen said it wasnt even a spoiler, no idea what I was on about there, too much drink perhaps? :confused::p:

I wasnt that impressed with last nights show, I think it was down to the bad acting of the girls when acting like vampires that I wasnt keen on but Im looking forward to next weeks. Looks like it will explain more about whats been going on. After a few weeks of watching and keeping an open mind, I like Matt but still think David Tennant was better.

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I thought it was a nice touch in yesterday's episode when the Doctor whipped out his library card that it had a picture of William Hartnell on it. :)

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Episode 7: Amy's Choice (Broadcast: 15/05/2010 BBC1 HD via Sky)

Did anybody notice that the sound was a bit off last night? It sounded a bit metalic - like it was compressed. Like a bad MP3 / high compression streamed radio station or something.

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Don't know what the broadcast was like, but the "HD" programme on BBC iPlayer was fine.

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It was fine for me on V+. I was watching it on HD, too.

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Oh yeah, the only reason I put "HD" in quotes was because I was using the web-based iplayer, and while it's an improvement on the standard web player, it's not what I call HD.

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yes i noticed ,watched it on standard tv through v+ and yeah it sounded like it was in mono

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Fair enough - wonder if its's an issue with our Sky box!

And another thing - anybody noticed that the opening titles had a few more thunder claps in it and it looked a bit more "violent" - wonder if that's anything to do with running theme of the crack....

Either that or I'm reading too much into it!!

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Yeah - that's another way to describe it - glad it wasn't just my ears!

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After all the hype about how great Matt Smith and this series was going to be, I'm afraid I've been underwhelmed.

Don't get me wrong he's not bad, he's just not that great either. Yet.

I don't like the new Tardis with it's bloody typewriter and other bits of junk on the console.

Witht he exception of the 1st angels episode I think the episodes up until now have been weak.

It really needs to ramp up over the second half of the run.

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I'm still getting over Amy last week :)

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Agreed, it still feels like its warming up, I hope its not like that all the way through

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I have totally enjoyed everything about the new series, apart from the Dalek episode, that was a bit weak.

Everything has a classic Who feel about it, the look of the Tardis inside and out. Moffat is a big fan of the Cushing movies, which is where most of the styling comes from.

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I have to agree about the episodes being pretty weak. This Saturday's was poor, and I thought the ending rushed because they couldn't come up with anything better.

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I think the episodes are too short anyway. They should be for an hour, I think. But I presume it set at forty-five minutes to sell to commercial stations overseas.

I remember classic Who stories being spread over several twenty minute episodes and lasted for weeks.

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I still feel Matt Smith does not have the strength of personality or acting ability to portray a viable Doctor.

I only wish the BBC had not signed him for a 2 season deal as he just isn't cutting it.

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There will always be mixed Opinions about Matt smith, Personally Its kept me glued to it so he cant be doing a bad job at all.

This series seems to have flown by considering it ends in june :(

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So far each of the doctors has brought a little something special to the role.

William Hartnell - Old Professor, with a darker side
Patrick Troughton - Clown but knows more than he reveals.
Jon Pertwee - Action Doctor, not afraid of using venusian martial arts.
Tom Baker - Brought an alien touch to the doctor, more mystery
Peter Davidson - Lighter side of the doctor, Not the strongest doctor, but did well
Colin Baker - Dark side of the doctor
Sylvester McCoy - Circus clown doctor
Paul McGann - Doctor who follows his heart
Christopher Ecclestone - The broken doctor who has seen and lost too much, finding love and losing it.
David Tennant - Doctor healing his heart, lonely but determined not to fail
Matt Smith - meh.

Oh, and for the 2 Doctor Who films with Peter Cushing - He was obviously replacing hartnell so see hartnell for a reference.

I can't see what Matt Smith has brought to the role that none of the others have. He seems to have tried to amalgamate several doctors, and missed.

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I have to agree with Lord Nikon.

For me Matt Smith is the worst Doctor ever, Karen Gillan is one dimensional and just gets on my nerves and to cap it all the stories are really weak.

I suppose we have been spoilt by David Tennant and Billie Piper who together breathed new life into what was really a tired old series. Together they raised the bar so high I doubt it will ever be equalled.

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I think Matt Smith is a very good Doctor to tell the truth and even though some of the story lines aren't top notch, i would like to see Matt Smith and Karen Gillan do another series.

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They signed smith for 2 series. Not sure about karen gillan though.

By the way, looks like 1 more episode for this season making it a 10 episode season plus the obligatory christmas special.

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I thought it was 14 episodes including the Christmas episode?

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10 episodes?

This series has 13, as per usual.

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Not sure where you got that from - its a standard 13 ep season, finishing on Jun 27th (the date the doctor saw in an earlier ep). :)

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I was looking on tv.com and there's only 10 episodes listed.

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It's 3 years for Matt Smith, and 13 episodes this season ... as per every full season since 2005. Apart from that you were spot on. ;)

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For the first time since Dr Who returned with Christoper Eccleston, I got bored watching an episode of Dr Who and turned over.

No doubt I'll finish watching it over the next week just to keep up to date.

I've watched every episode since its return, and don't get me wrong there's been some bad episodes in that time, but I've never been bored before.

I couldn't have cared less if the Silurians took over world or not.

This season, bar one episode, is just lacking in atmosphere and suspense, and it's a combination of things.

The stories are weak, and I'm afraid Matt Smith and Karen Gillan are just not cutting it.

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I wouldn't say McCoy was a 'Clown' some of his stories were very mysterious and hinted at there being more to the Doctors story than we knew, i.e. hinting that he was actually Merlin at some point in his life.

Cushing was the Doctor but not really replacing Hartnell.

All they really took from the two stories was the Dalek story lines, he wasn't from Gallifrey and was just an old guy that created a time machine.

I still think Smith has been fab.

Did anyone spot the 5th Doctor reference from the episode at the weekend?

Also the 1st part of the PC adventure game is out this weekend I think. :)

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Indeed, I suspect they had a lot planned for McCoy that they didn't have time to implement in the series.

In fact, I was listening to the Script Editor who was in charge when McCoy as Doctor, and he said he liked the Mysterious aspect of Dr. Who, and planned to (in the series after it was axed) go back to the roots, and give strong hints that the good Dr. was a lot more than a mere timelord, without actually being specific as to why he was so special.

There are rumours that he planned a lot of things for that series that RTD then went on to explore in the New series.

It's worth remembering that not only was Cushing's Dr who actually human (I believe there is a reference to that in the script), but that his last name is actually "Who".

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If you want to know how Andrew Cartmel planned to develop the Doctor's backstory, get your hands on the New Adventures novels (published by Virgin, although they are now all out of print). The 'Cartmel Masterplan' was being put in place during the last two seasons of original Who and would have unfolded further, especially in McCoy's fourth season, which never happened as the Beeb effectively cancelled Who by simply failing to commission the next series.

The culmination of the Cartmel Masterplan is found in Marc Platt's novel Lungbarrow, a steaming crock of turds that ably demonstrates just how far they planned to shove the show up its own anus. If the BBC itself hadn't killed off Doctor Who in 1989, then its own production team would have done it all by itself in a further two years at the most.

You can actually read Lungbarrow as an e-book on the BBC's own Doctor Who website. However, note that a number of its most central aspects have been explicitly contradicted since the show was recommissioned in 2005, so (despite what some of the real anoraks on forums like Gallifrey Base will tell you), there is no way that any sane person could consider its contents to reveal anything about the Doctor's background. And it's as badly written as anything else Platt ever did for the show as well. I wouldn't waste your time on it, actually. I speak as one who did. :erm:

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Thats the one :)

The first part of the Adventure game has been released 3 days early :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/theadventuregames

PC only just now but the Mac version will be out on the 15th June.

Can't wait to get home and try it.

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Says Vincent van Gogh in his best Glaswegian: That accent of yours: Are you from Holland like me? :rofl:

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I think I finally worked out what is missing from Matt Smith's portrayal of Dr Who. But I don't think anything can be done about it. Ever since the first Doctor there has been a sense of older and wiser than his years, a maturity if you will about the Doctor, his past, his origins etc. Matt doesn't have that, he's 26, he is lacking the life experience to bring that sense of age to the role. He comes across as a sixth former trying to play Patrick Troughton's portrayal of the doctor and reading from an autocue. We are 10 episodes in and there is nothing that is definitively 'Matt Smith' about the role.

There is something to consider though. TimeLords only had 12 regenerations because of the Decree of Rassilon. Now that Gallifrey has fallen, the Eye of Harmony with it (Hence the Tardis needed to refuel at the rift in Cardiff) does the Decree of Rassilon still stand? If not, then there may be many more regenerations and the next Doctor may be post-pubescent.

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Well, as the regeneration limit is just a plot device, if the writers want or need to cast it aside it wouldn't be hard for them to do so. They're hardly likely to call an end to the series when the Doctor runs out of regenerations. I'd assume they would do as you suggested, & say that the limit no longer applies due to the destruction of Gallifrey & the Time Lords.

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I wouldn't say that. I think he has brought a very energetic and unhinged quality to the role, he certainly is slightly more 'crazy' than previous ones. I am really enjoying him as the doctor and I think this season has been the best of the new ones (I never watched the old ones). Some of that is down to the scripts however and the direction which fells more more polished and tight than I am used to from British shows.

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'Vincent & The Doctor' was the best episode in this current series IMHO, even allowing for the invisible, overgrown parrot. It had the emotion that I think has been missing in the series so far. Tony Curran was excellent as Vincent.

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William Hartnell
Patrick Troughton
Jon Pertwee
Tom Baker
Peter Davidson
Colin Baker
Sylvester Mccoy
Paul McGann

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I have to agree. For me the scene where they take Vincent to the present time was awesome.

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I have now decided on my judgement of Matt Smith as the doctor and I'm afraid I don't like him.

He's just not believable in the role.

This series has been a huge disappointment and I'm not sure what they can do to improve it as the problem is the actor playing the main character.

They should bite the bullet and get rid of him. I don't know what direction Moffat was trying to take the series but he has blown it.

Saturday was yet another episode I stopped watching.

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Well they have unfortunately ruined it for yourself, which is a shame if your a fan.

However I certainly don't think Moffat has blown the series, it is been well received by critics and most fans. I certainly this this season has been great and Matt Smith is a good doctor.

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So far he is average - nothing special IMO. I havent switched any eps off, but one or two havent really done much for me - certainly not gripped me like some previous seasons. Im hoping the finale will be an improvement. I think Amy is a good companion so far. Im not a fan of the silly Tardis console(s), current or previous.

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This Saturday's Dr Who felt more like a comedy show. It was strange to see the doctor playing football, but i'm guessing that was to tie in with the World Cup.

The trailer for the episode where the doctor pulls a piece of the tardis out of the crack looked good. I'm looking forward to that.
:cool:

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he has already done that ,I think that scene was a recap of all the crack scenes

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I wouldnt have minded an episode like that near the beginning of the series but so far in now and Im still waiting for something exciting to happen

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This was actually one of the better episodes in this series. More to do with James Corden than Matt Smith, however saying that is no real praise as the entire series has been weak.

I think a massive trick was missed with this episode, a replica tardis, it looked great and could have led to a great story.
Instead we get jokey comedy episode that also tries to be creepy, and therefore fails on both counts. We also have an ineffectual Amy sidelined (pointless didn't even need to be in it).

The trailer for the two end episodes looked ok, River Song is back which ould lead to some "spoilers"

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The season finale is going to be a cracker. :)

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I was gutted! I had it in my head tonight was the finale, I was well peeved thinking Id have to wait for some christmas special to find out what happens, then after the credits it mentioned next week is the last one. Really enjoyed tonights episode :)

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It could be good or it could be atrociously bad... This season seems to be adept at snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in the entertainment value of the show.

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"I hate good wizards in fairy tales; they always turn out to be him"

Quote of the episode - but easily missed :D

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I just hope that Moffat doesn't do the usual RTD-style reset button.


Although, given that Matt Smith & Karen Gillan are due to return next year, while we know that River must survive because this is from earlier in her own timeline than the other times we have seen her, I guess there will be a reset button or deus ex machina...

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Well, seeing as how the universe has been destroyed there's going to have to be some sort of reset, isn't there? ;)

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probably the best episode with Matt Smith yet

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Having missed last weeks offering we watched it last night having decided to record last nights episode and watch the last 2 programmes back to back. Seems we made a good decision from the comments I have just read as I hate having to wait a full week to see what is happening after a cliff hanger.

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Im so dying to spoil it for you and tell you what happened, only because Im jealous I didnt think of doing that, I hate cliffhangers :D

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I have been studiously avoiding clicking on the spoiler buttons or watching any other bits and bobs on the TV that may ruin our enjoyment. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/06/12.gif

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I wouldnt have put it in a spoiler tag though :p: You made a good choice! I cant wait for the next episode, trust you to give me this idea when its the end of the series