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Hom3r 17-12-2009 14:37

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I reckon that Schuey will be in the second Merc Brawn car.

Even though he'll be 41 I reckon that he'll give them a run for the money.

When he had a chance to stand in for Massa he lit the fire and it need a F1 race to quence it.

I would love to see Lewis take on Schuey

webcrawler2050 17-12-2009 14:42

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34929062)
I reckon that Schuey will be in the second Merc Brawn car.

Even though he'll be 41 I reckon that he'll give them a run for the money.

When he had a chance to stand in for Massa he lit the fire and it need a F1 race to quence it.

I would love to see Lewis take on Schuey

I would love this too! I would kill to see that! I am deffo going to Silverstone next year! Hell yeah!! Anyone else want to go?

Lewis vs Schui will be one hella fight..

hedgie 17-12-2009 16:11

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34929004)
I don't know. I am more interested how things will pan out between a variety of teams. Brawn, McLaren, Lotus, F1 racing etc etc

Lotus and Virgin are both headed up by Airline owners and guess what, an offline bet as to which "airline F1 team" will finish higher in the table. The forefeit is for the looser to act as a stewardess at the reciprocal airline !:D

http://www.lotusf1racing.my/article/...Challenge.html

M

webcrawler2050 17-12-2009 18:48

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Originally Posted by hedgie (Post 34929118)
Lotus and Virgin are both headed up by Airline owners and guess what, an offline bet as to which "airline F1 team" will finish higher in the table. The forefeit is for the looser to act as a stewardess at the reciprocal airline !:D

http://www.lotusf1racing.my/article/...Challenge.html

M

Hahaha thats going to be interesting

SnoopZ 18-12-2009 19:46

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Michael Schumacher has told Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo he is planning a comeback with Mercedes.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8420601.stm

Hom3r 18-12-2009 20:08

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I reckon there won't be many F1 drivers who don't want to see Schuey back.

Flyboy 19-12-2009 23:10

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I don't think he will cut it to be honest. It's been three years, there are younger, hungrier drivers on the circuit now and he won't have the edge.

sherer 21-12-2009 10:55

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to be honest it's all about the car these days and I think if they can give him a front running car he will do ok. The problem they had last year was they had the best car and then didn't develop it as the season went on so not sure where they will be this year

Matty_ 21-12-2009 15:44

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I think next years championship is going go to either Ferrari or McLaren. Ferrari quit updating last years car quite early to concentrate on 2010 and it sounds like Mclaren have been pretty agressive.
Saying that when you throw Red-Bull and Mercedes into the mix it could well be an absolute cracker of a season.
Personally i think it`s a shame about the refueling thing, that added an extra variable which could throw a spanner in the front runners works :p:

Kymmy 21-12-2009 15:53

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I'd rather see overtaking on the track than in the pitlane. Those that remember the days before refueling will now that it can mean a lot more exciting race especially right at the end of the race when the guy who had his boost/mixture turned up now tries to nurse his almost starved car to the finish line with everyone else catching him :D

sherer 21-12-2009 16:24

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34930958)
I'd rather see overtaking on the track than in the pitlane. Those that remember the days before refueling will now that it can mean a lot more exciting race especially right at the end of the race when the guy who had his boost/mixture turned up now tries to nurse his almost starved car to the finish line with everyone else catching him :D

agree the worst phrase you can ever hear from a driver is " you can't pass so I waited for the stops". Unfortunately we will still have tyre stops so we will prob still hear this a few times.

Would have been better to remove the rule about using both tyres during the race then we would have all the action forced to take place on the circuit rather than the pits. A change of order isn't the same as a pass on the track

Hom3r 21-12-2009 16:58

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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34930813)
to be honest it's all about the car these days and I think if they can give him a front running car he will do ok. The problem they had last year was they had the best car and then didn't develop it as the season went on so not sure where they will be this year

They stopped developing the 2009 car for the 2010 car so are ahead of a few teams.

hedgie 21-12-2009 18:39

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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34930978)
A change of order isn't the same as a pass on the track


Second that...lets hope for some decent on track action with Schumi giving it his best. :D

CHiLL 21-12-2009 21:09

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Could this be Mercedes car design for next year?

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If it is, it looks nice!

sherer 22-12-2009 10:36

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34931022)
They stopped developing the 2009 car for the 2010 car so are ahead of a few teams.

noit quite true, the rules are the same for next year as this year except no KERS and a bigger fuel tank. As such an aero stuff they did for last year would apply. The only reason they never put the stuff on the car was because Kimi was leaving and so they didn't want him to race parts and then end up at another team

hedgie 22-12-2009 14:47

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Originally Posted by CHiLL (Post 34931198)
Could this be Mercedes car design for next year?

http://images.itv-f1.com/ImageLibrary/56140_2.jpg

If it is, it looks nice!

Not sure I agree with you there...

I think the blue of the Petronas logo clashes with the grey but hey its only an opinion;)

CHiLL 22-12-2009 17:48

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Originally Posted by hedgie (Post 34931518)
Not sure I agree with you there...

I think the blue of the Petronas logo clashes with the grey but hey its only an opinion;)

That's true. Though if they were to turn grey also, or a colour that complements the grey, then I think it'll look very nice.

Kymmy 22-12-2009 18:49

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LOL, you two are more girly than me :) I bet you both wear pink shirts :D:D:D

Hom3r 22-12-2009 23:45

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Guess whose coming back to F1 :D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8427552.stm

Jon T 22-12-2009 23:46

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Schumacher's signed up: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8427552.stm

Hom3r 22-12-2009 23:50

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Originally Posted by Jon T (Post 34931808)

Too late, post 219 beat ya. :D

sherer 23-12-2009 00:21

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be interesting to see how well he does. Wonder how good next years Merc will be.

Should get a few people watching F1 again and another reason to get excited about next season

Hom3r 23-12-2009 00:25

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What odd are the bookies giving for number 8 for MS?

webcrawler2050 23-12-2009 15:30

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This is going to be interesting indeed. Be interesting, with him up against Hamilton. This is going to be one hella up and down season.

Matty_ 23-12-2009 18:17

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Does anyone else get the feeling that this was organised a while ago and it`s why Ross Brawn didn`t fight too hard to keep Jenson.
When Mercedes first had talks about buying BrawnGP with Ross i reckon they came to the conclusion that Jenson wasn`t ruthless enough and they needed a driver who could definately deliver in whatever circumstances (preferably german)

Or am i just being cynical:devsmoke:

webcrawler2050 23-12-2009 18:39

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Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34932122)
Does anyone else get the feeling that this was organised a while ago and it`s why Ross Brawn didn`t fight too hard to keep Jenson.
When Mercedes first had talks about buying BrawnGP with Ross i reckon they came to the conclusion that Jenson wasn`t ruthless enough and they needed a driver who could definately deliver in whatever circumstances (preferably german)

Or am i just being cynical:devsmoke:


I wouldn't put it past them, that's why he was "too bothered" about loosing button. I think they chose Schumi as a man to deliver results, based on past history. Ross, probably has a lot resting on this deal and of course, needs to prove to Mercedes that last season wasn't just a fluke

hedgie 30-12-2009 11:42

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Given the lack of news lately thought you might be interested in a series of articles on the James Allen blog; various luminaries have speculated what the future of F1 might be., closed wheel, 500c turbo charged, who knows....:).

The series runs;

Cars
Engines
Aero
Materials & Safety
Simulation Gaming

Here is the link to the first in the series, enjoy...

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2009/1...ture-the-cars/

Kymmy 04-01-2010 19:30

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Kubica staying with Renault

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8439373.stm

j52c 05-01-2010 16:01

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http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,189...833215,00.html

Briatori. A French court has overturned Flavio Briatore's lifetime ban from F1 and motorsport, he has been cleared to make a full return to the sport.

Looks as though he has given Max Mosley a spanking, but I don't think he will mind that, hehe.

Kymmy 05-01-2010 16:03

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Once a cheat always a cheat (he fully admitted to it) I don't think any team is stupid enough to let him through thier doors

sherer 05-01-2010 16:26

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the trouble is he manages a lot of drivers as well as GP2, not sure if he is involved in GP3.

This is also bad news for F1 as he challenge this in a Paris court which means any decision the FIA make can be challenge through a normal court and not their own system

hedgie 05-01-2010 17:54

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Amazing coincidence that the Flav story comes out on the same day as the Renault press office issue a Q&A with the new Team Manager;)

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34939293)
Once a cheat always a cheat (he fully admitted to it) I don't think any team is stupid enough to let him through thier doors

Dont bet on it nothing would surprise me anymore...........:spin:

Flyboy 05-01-2010 22:06

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The important issue is his involvement with other sports, such as football. These governing bodies have rules about being banned by other regulators.

Hom3r 05-01-2010 22:11

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Originally Posted by j52c (Post 34939291)
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,189...833215,00.html

Briatori. A French court has overturned Flavio Briatore's lifetime ban from F1 and motorsport, he has been cleared to make a full return to the sport.

Looks as though he has given Max Mosley a spanking, but I don't think he will mind that, hehe.

*cough* backhander *cough*:D

hedgie 08-01-2010 12:15

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Not strictly F1 news, but I thought the petrol heads would probably subscribe to this thread anyway.

Bernie Ecclestone has joined forces with the financiers behind the recent purchase of the Renault F1 team in a bid to buy SAAB.

http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/80772

Hom3r 08-01-2010 14:11

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Possible conflict of interests?

Flyboy 08-01-2010 17:03

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Originally Posted by hedgie (Post 34941174)
Not strictly F1 news, but I thought the petrol heads would probably subscribe to this thread anyway.

Bernie Ecclestone has joined forces with the financiers behind the recent purchase of the Renault F1 team in a bid to buy SAAB.

http://www.autosport.com/news/grapevine.php/id/80772

That would be great news and one of the very few nice things he would have done in recent years. As a life long fan of the marque, I was deeply sadden to hear of their demise.

Turkey Machine 08-01-2010 22:46

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34941201)
Possible conflict of interests?

Not really. Genii own Renault, but they don't have the money to buy Saab, so they're using Bernie's money to buy the car company instead of their own.

Kymmy 11-01-2010 15:56

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8452410.stm

FIA want to overturn the Briatore judgement

hedgie 12-01-2010 17:01

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Crashgate--The next chapter. :D

Piquet Jr to race in NASACR in 2010. http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/80819

If Villeneuve and Franchitti could not make it in NASCAR, and they had an established US track record, I don't give Piquet a prayer.

Sorry

Kymmy 14-01-2010 14:14

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I wonder how much the last months F1 reports have riled JB, firstly quite a few people come out and say that LH is the main one to look out for in the Mclaren team and now everyone is saying that they're looking forward to racing against MS.


So much for the current world champion :D

Flyboy 14-01-2010 14:29

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I don't think that Jensen Button has the "legs" to win another championship, to be honest. I think Lewis Hamilton is still the one to watch. As far as Michael Schumacher is concerned; he has his day.

mr_bo 14-01-2010 14:32

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http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/140120...acetracks.html

What is BE thinking?

Turkey Machine 14-01-2010 15:08

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Bernie officially lost it a while ago pushing the medals system, but this one confirms he's not above shouting radical ideas through the media.

Kymmy 15-01-2010 10:45

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Oh I just love RB's PR stunts :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8415008.stm

I wonder if they can get Bernie to dress up and have a flight for every stupid rule change he tries to bring in

webcrawler2050 17-01-2010 20:58

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34944804)
I don't think that Jensen Button has the "legs" to win another championship, to be honest. I think Lewis Hamilton is still the one to watch. As far as Michael Schumacher is concerned; he has his day.


I'll agree with this. I don't think JB is a "true" champion in my opinion. I still think, we need to watch Hamilton, he is going to be very hungry indeed and no doubt will walk over I am afraid of JB and with Alonso, in Ferrari I think hes to watch aswell..

Flyboy 18-01-2010 00:01

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34945318)
Oh I just love RB's PR stunts :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8415008.stm

I wonder if they can get Bernie to dress up and have a flight for every stupid rule change he tries to bring in

I do wish he would use proper English...."recipriate (sic)?"

sherer 18-01-2010 00:09

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34946867)
I'll agree with this. I don't think JB is a "true" champion in my opinion. I still think, we need to watch Hamilton, he is going to be very hungry indeed and no doubt will walk over I am afraid of JB and with Alonso, in Ferrari I think hes to watch aswell..

JB is one of the smoothest drivers out there. I think he shows how important the car is in current F1 and without a winning car there isn't much you can do.

CHiLL 18-01-2010 14:44

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I'm not so sure that LH will blow JB away. They will be driving the same car, and with no refeuling. I think the no refeuling will have a major impact on the two drivers. It will mean they have to preserve their tyres. It's well known that JB is a smooth driver and excellent at preserving tyres, whereas LH is an aggressive drivers and goes through tyres a lot faster.

Pierre 18-01-2010 14:54

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34946867)
I'll agree with this. I don't think JB is a "true" champion in my opinion. I still think, we need to watch Hamilton, he is going to be very hungry indeed and no doubt will walk over I am afraid of JB and with Alonso, in Ferrari I think hes to watch aswell..

What a load of tripe.

So when Hamilton had the best car on the grid when he won the championship he wasn't a true champion either?????

Where was Hamilton when his car was crap at the beginningof this season? nowhere.

F1 has always been 80% about the car and 20% about the driver. Nearly all F1 drivers have the ability to win the championship if they are in the right car.

Damon Hill wins championship in Williams one year, next year comes nowhere in a Arrows.
Was he a real champion??

Jacques Villneuve wins championship in Williams one year, next year comes nowhere in a BAR.
Was he a real champion??

Eddie Irvine was a regular on the podium in a Ferrari, in a Jaguar he came nowwhere.

David coulthard was a regular on the podium in a McLaren, in a Red Bull nowhere.

Reubens was a podium regular in a Ferrari, in a Honda he was always at the back of the grid with Jenson.

None of these drivers suddenly became crap overnight.

Therefore, since being in F1 Jenson has been in a succession of mediocre or poor cars and therefore has been in mediocre or poor postions on the grid. As soon as he had some decent equipment he puuled out the perfomances he was capable of.

He led the championship from start to finish, his drive in Brazil was a champions drive. I would argue his championship was a better one than Hamiltons.

Yes, I hope we see some close racing this year and I hope McLaren give both drivers equal support and it may trun out that Hamilton is better than Button.

But to say Button was not a "true" champion is just nonsense.

Matty_ 18-01-2010 16:27

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There`s no denying the fact Button was a true champion, i think the fact that he had such a massive lead from very early on in the calender meant that it was his to lose and this brings extra pressure, media attention.
Lets not forget that Hamilton was only a couple of corners from missing out on the championship and if Senior Pique (naa, Berlusconi :p:) hadn`t pulled that stunt Massa could have won it.
To become a Formula 1 driver in the first place means you must have a quality of driving that is good, (unless you bring in huge sponsorship) what sets the very best from the rest is the ability to set a car up for the different circuits and have the desire to win at all costs.

Some drivers can get more out of a poor car than others, so as expected they also get more out of a good car.

Tip for the Title, mmmmm, that`s a toughie :confused:

I`m gonna go with Vettel. (We can`t have a brit 3 years running, it wouldn`t be good for the sport :p: )...says Bernie

Kymmy 18-01-2010 16:32

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The thing is though that a good driver with that lead shouldn't have lost so much later on in the season, it's wasn't the car as Rubens simply disproved that fact.

Pierre 18-01-2010 17:02

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34947362)
The thing is though that a good driver with that lead shouldn't have lost so much later on in the season, it's wasn't the car as Rubens simply disproved that fact.

As they went throught he season the very thing that made the Brawn unbeatable in the early rounds in the very hot countrys ( i.e it was very easy on the tyres.).

Was the very same issue that hindered it when it came to the European rounds as then it could generate enough heat in the tyres.

At certain circuits this suited Ruben more that it did Button that's all.

Rubens didn't exactly set the world on fire in the second half of the season either, yes he won two races but only got one other podium.

Kymmy 18-01-2010 17:04

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So are you saying that he's only any good on certain tracks and only when it's hot?? ;)

A good driver is good on all the tracks, not just the ones he fancies :p:

Personally I think that he'll start making excuses for his performance this year :D

Matty_ 18-01-2010 17:05

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Very true Kymmy, me thinks maybe Jenson couldn`t handle the pressure, he certainly wasn`t qualifying as good as early season and that made him start from a not to good grid position.
As you say Rubens was in the same car but looked different class at times.

Maybe it was orchestrated to make the championship interesting for a bit longer:D

sherer 18-01-2010 17:21

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34947371)
So are you saying that he's only any good on certain tracks and only when it's hot?? ;)

A good driver is good on all the tracks, not just the ones he fancies :p:

Personally I think that he'll start making excuses for his performance this year :D

the fact is if an F1 car doesn't perform then there is nothing a driver can do as Lewis showed at the start of the season and Kimi and Massa did too with the Ferrari.

The Brawn had a very small window where it worked brilliantly but outside that window it was rubbish. That window included hot weather to get heat into the tyres, the very thing that made the car good meant it didn't work in the cold weather.

Rubens was able to get a bit more heat into his tyres hence he could get a bit more out of the car but during the very hot weather where the car was perfect he couldn't get as much as of the car as JB.

At the end of the day a driver is only as good as the car they are given, the days or a driver bringing 2-3 seconds to a car are long gone

Matty_ 18-01-2010 18:11

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Didn`t Lewis Hamilton start 4th (before disqualified) 7th, 6th then 4th in the first 4 races.
We all agree the car is the star but these are the elite drivers in the world and should be able to adapt to the conditions/circuit whether that`s via driving style or set-up.

A great driver can work in all conditions imo... :angel:

sherer 18-01-2010 19:05

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Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34947436)
Didn`t Lewis Hamilton start 4th (before disqualified) 7th, 6th then 4th in the first 4 races.
We all agree the car is the star but these are the elite drivers in the world and should be able to adapt to the conditions/circuit whether that`s via driving style or set-up.

A great driver can work in all conditions imo... :angel:

unfortunateklt the current F1 doesn't work like that. Take Massa half of his car is driven by the engineers in the pits with all the data and computer info.

if the car doesn't work there isn't much a driver can do. The days when a driver could drive around a problem have long gone

Flyboy 18-01-2010 22:33

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Originally Posted by CHiLL (Post 34947316)
I'm not so sure that LH will blow JB away. They will be driving the same car, and with no refeuling. I think the no refeuling will have a major impact on the two drivers. It will mean they have to preserve their tyres. It's well known that JB is a smooth driver and excellent at preserving tyres, whereas LH is an aggressive drivers and goes through tyres a lot faster.

But there are no rules preventing tyre changes.

Jon T 18-01-2010 23:07

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What is this obsession with knocking Jenson Button?

Kymmy, I have to ask why you dislike him so much? Based on earlier posts from you that I can recall, the reason's you've stated in the past indicate that you must dislike Michael Scumacher as well, do you?

Jenson's not gonna get a fair ride(pardon the pun) anyway, McLaren is moulded around Lewis Hamilton, everytime you see Martin Whitmarsh, LH's dad is there as well.

As to Fernando Alonso, he's a spoilt arrogant smarmy twit, nothing would give me greater pleasure that seeing hime fail miserably. I think he's got the capacity to create a great deal of disharmony at Ferrari if things don't go his way.

Kymmy 18-01-2010 23:19

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I don't dislike MS, just think his driving is to clinical.. I'm always been a lover of Alesi in the wet style of driving :)

As for JB I've made it no secret that I think he's an arrogant you know what who after messing around with BAR/Williams in 2004/5 should not have deserved another contract with any team..

Jon T 18-01-2010 23:24

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34947687)
I don't dislike MS, just think his driving is to clinical.. I'm always been a lover of Alesi in the wet style of driving :)

As for JB I've made it no secret that I think he's an arrogant you know what who after messing around with BAR/Williams in 2004/5 should not have deserved another contract with any team..

and MS for ditching Jordan to go to Benetton? No different.

Also the multitude of other times this happened with other drivers over the years, both publicised and instances that have been kept private.

Kymmy 18-01-2010 23:41

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There's a big diffrence between an agreement in principle and a signed contract. Willaims and JB's views were disgraceful towards BAR where in MS's instance there was no contract broken. You can't fully remove the business from F1 but you can't moan when you've not signed the deal.

Yes it does happen though and last years Briatore ban also highlights the managment dirt dealings, but that should be what the driver steers clear of... Mind you it's not the only sport where it gets dirty off the track, my partners an ex-wrc tech and they can tell you stories about teams swapping FIA seals on engines and dodgy fuel...etc...etc...

Flyboy 19-01-2010 00:57

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Originally Posted by Jon T (Post 34947681)
What is this obsession with knocking Jenson Button?

Kymmy, I have to ask why you dislike him so much? Based on earlier posts from you that I can recall, the reason's you've stated in the past indicate that you must dislike Michael Scumacher as well, do you?

Jenson's not gonna get a fair ride(pardon the pun) anyway, McLaren is moulded around Lewis Hamilton, everytime you see Martin Whitmarsh, LH's dad is there as well.

As to Fernando Alonso, he's a spoilt arrogant smarmy twit, nothing would give me greater pleasure that seeing hime fail miserably. I think he's got the capacity to create a great deal of disharmony at Ferrari if things don't go his way.

I do not think his hands are completely clean with the two of the most controversial incidents to overshadow the sport in decades. He has been directly involved with these events and I am aghast that he has not been investigated.

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The reason I dislike Michael Schumacher is because he cheats. The strokes he has pulled over the years is comparable to what Renault did in two thousand and eight.

Pierre 19-01-2010 13:31

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Originally Posted by Kymmy (Post 34947371)
So are you saying that he's only any good on certain tracks and only when it's hot?? ;)

No, I'm saying the car was only good on certain tracks in certain conditions

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A good driver is good on all the tracks, not just the ones he fancies :p:
I think you'll find that most F1 drivers drive to 100% of their ability at all times.

At the tracks where he did not finish so well I'm sure he was driving as well as he could but the car, or the way the car was set up, wasn't up to it.

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Originally Posted by Matty_ (Post 34947373)
As you say Rubens was in the same car but looked different class at times.

Funny how Jenson was also in the same car as Rubens but was class part from him for the vast majority of the season.

Not forgetting that until last year Rubens had won many many more Grand Prix than Jenson and had loads more podiums.

On paper, Rubens was by far the more talented and successful driver.

Or does that have something do with him driving a Ferrari when he won all those Grand prix?

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34947641)
But there are no rules preventing tyre changes.

No there aren't but if a driver can conserve his tyres he will be more competetive, very much like in motogp

Matty_ 19-01-2010 13:56

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Lets forget all this about last year, Jenson Button won the championship, that`s what the record books say! :D

De la Rosa to drive for BMW Sauber http://www.formula1.com/news/headlin...0/1/10346.html

Should that be in the other thread?

hedgie 21-01-2010 17:23

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Formula 1 on ice, oh yes :D

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8473054.stm

Another light news week I'm afraid:rolleyes:

Hom3r 21-01-2010 19:03

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34947789)
The reason I dislike Michael Schumacher is because he cheats. The strokes he has pulled over the years is comparable to what Renault did in two thousand and eight.

To be far to MS he had admitted that he regrets the way he won some of his titles by driving into the oppossion

Mr_love_monkey 21-01-2010 22:08

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To be far to MS he had admitted that he regrets the way he won some of his titles by driving into the oppossion

hmm... regretting it is one thing - not doing it again, or in the first place is something else...

Matty_ 21-01-2010 22:10

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My arse he regrets it!

sherer 22-01-2010 10:49

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34949569)
To be far to MS he had admitted that he regrets the way he won some of his titles by driving into the oppossion

Well seeing as he only won one title by driving into someone in 94, i've yet to see a quote from him where he has admitted that. Care to share some links to these quotes ?

He also drove Alonso onto the grass at 200 mph on the run down to Stowe, as well as parking his car in Monaco.

Actually I just remembered another title he won by cheating. Back in German F3 he had a crash and drove his car that wasn't race worthy back onto the track in order to get the race red flagged and hand him the title

Pierre 22-01-2010 12:04

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Virgin Racing website if you haven't seen it yet

http://www.virginracing.com/

No mention of Manor anymore, it's totally a Virgin team. So at least that's one of the new boys guaranteed to be on the Grid at the start.

Can't wait to hear Martin Brundle "and there's Glock going hard in the Virgin.........."

Here's the lotus site http://www.lotusf1racing.my

They're malaysian backed (who owns Lotus now is it still Kia?) and with Mike Gascoyne on board looks like they'll definately be on the grid too.

US F1 team here: http://www.usgpe.com/

I'm not yet convinced they'll be there

G UK 22-01-2010 12:29

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Lotus are owned by Proton not Kia, although they did sell Kia the License to make some Elans when Lotus finished production. :D

This diagram is a little old but still very interesting for seeing all the interrelationships between all the manufacturers.

sherer 22-01-2010 12:47

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isn't the Lotus name a bit confusing as I think the Proton owning Lotus just refers to the car maker and not the race team.

IIRC James Hunt's brother bought the naming rights to the F1 team although that was in the 90s and then nothing ever happened.

I could of course always be wrong here

G UK 22-01-2010 12:56

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Yes this is "Lotus F1 Racing" which is in effect the manufacturer's team rather than "Team Lotus" which is the old sister company which Colin Chapman ran as a separate business. To be honest though this is still an official Lotus team and is as close as we will get in this day and age.

Also a quick note, Proton themselves are 42% (I think) owned by the Malaysian Government. Hence the big tie in with Malaysia.

Flyboy 22-01-2010 18:13

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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34949866)
Well seeing as he only won one title by driving into someone in 94, i've yet to see a quote from him where he has admitted that. Care to share some links to these quotes ?

He also drove Alonso onto the grass at 200 mph on the run down to Stowe, as well as parking his car in Monaco.

Actually I just remembered another title he won by cheating. Back in German F3 he had a crash and drove his car that wasn't race worthy back onto the track in order to get the race red flagged and hand him the title

And don't forget the attempted scuppering of his and Jaques Villneuve's car at Jerez in nineteen ninety-seven. He was actually disqualified for the whole season, with the removal of all his points, after that one.

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Originally Posted by Hom3r (Post 34949569)
To be far to MS he had admitted that he regrets the way he won some of his titles by driving into the oppossion

What? You mean after he accused Damon Hill of trying to kill him?

He seems to make a habit of that.

webcrawler2050 25-01-2010 14:21

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34949914)
Virgin Racing website if you haven't seen it yet

http://www.virginracing.com/

No mention of Manor anymore, it's totally a Virgin team. So at least that's one of the new boys guaranteed to be on the Grid at the start.

Can't wait to hear Martin Brundle "and there's Glock going hard in the Virgin.........."

Here's the lotus site http://www.lotusf1racing.my

They're malaysian backed (who owns Lotus now is it still Kia?) and with Mike Gascoyne on board looks like they'll definately be on the grid too.

US F1 team here: http://www.usgpe.com/

I'm not yet convinced they'll be there

What I will give Virgin is they have produced a very "sexy" brand indeed. The brand it's self, has a very very modern look in my opinion.

Pierre 25-01-2010 15:41

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34951897)
What I will give Virgin is they have produced a very "sexy" brand indeed. The brand it's self, has a very very modern look in my opinion.

Just hope the car is up to the job.

hedgie 25-01-2010 15:45

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34951897)
What I will give Virgin is they have produced a very "sexy" brand indeed. The brand it's self, has a very very modern look in my opinion.

I think the VR logo looks very similar to the BTCC Vauxhall VXR logo, even the colours are the same !!

Based on the launch pictures I have to say I am disappointed with the look of the new Brawn Mercedes :(

Looks a bit dull to me, not enough contrast IMHO, imagine trying to spot that in the spray !

http://www.mercedes-gp.com/gallery.asp

sherer 25-01-2010 19:14

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I think the VR logo looks very similar to the BTCC Vauxhall VXR logo, even the colours are the same !!

Based on the launch pictures I have to say I am disappointed with the look of the new Brawn Mercedes :(

Looks a bit dull to me, not enough contrast IMHO, imagine trying to spot that in the spray !

http://www.mercedes-gp.com/gallery.asp

agree about the VXR BTCC link.

The Virgin car is the first all CFD designed car in F1 so it hasn't been to a wind tunnel at all. Whether this will work or not is another matter. Adrian Newey says it will be 10 years before the first CFD designed car wins

hedgie 26-01-2010 00:05

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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34952104)
agree about the VXR BTCC link.

The Virgin car is the first all CFD designed car in F1 so it hasn't been to a wind tunnel at all. Whether this will work or not is another matter. Adrian Newey says it will be 10 years before the first CFD designed car wins

Well I for one hope he is wrong. Nick Wirth is no mug, the Acura sports prototype worked pretty well in the States last year. Could be my new favourite underdog team......I started out supporting Toleman !!

Turkey Machine 26-01-2010 10:37

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Bahrain have enabled the loop that was built a few years ago to extend the lap by some 20 seconds. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8479689.stm

Lopez is now confirmed as a USF1 driver too. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8480176.stm

hedgie 27-01-2010 10:06

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The new US team have signed their first driver, former Renault test driver Jose Maria Lopez .

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81062

Kymmy, most of the seats are filled now you must be getting close to being able to set up the poll ;)

Maybe we could have two.:D

One for the overall champion
One for the best of the new teams

sherer 27-01-2010 11:10

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I think it is only Renault and USF1 that have a seat going, although I could be wrong there.

Not long until March and the season kicks off

Turkey Machine 27-01-2010 13:58

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@sherer: Campos has a seat going too. :)

hedgie 28-01-2010 12:01

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Must say I like the look of the new Ferrari if this first shot is anything to go by

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81089

Really getting quite excited now :D

sherer 28-01-2010 12:49

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have to say for all the talk about banning on the flick ups and add-ons all the cars had they still seem to have come back.

No wonder the racing wasn't much better last season

Pierre 28-01-2010 13:41

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Designers will always exploit every tiny loophole in the regs, hence Brawns dominance early last year.

hedgie 29-01-2010 13:21

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Williams said their car was a radical departure, but the new McLaren looks amazing IMHO.....

Williams
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81104

McLaren
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81116

SnoopZ 31-01-2010 19:16

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Russian Vitaly Petrov has been signed buy Renault for 2010.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8490213.stm

Turkey Machine 31-01-2010 23:48

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That Renault looks GORGEOUS. All other liveries officially suck.

Kymmy 01-02-2010 00:38

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Originally Posted by Turkey Machine (Post 34955767)
That Renault looks GORGEOUS. All other liveries officially suck.

And hence it is proved that TM is color blind :D:D:D:D

hedgie 01-02-2010 10:19

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When I first saw the new Renault on Autosport my first thought was that Jordan were back;)

The new cars from Toro Rosso and Mercedes have been shown at Valencia. The previous Mercedes press launch used last years car.

Toro Rosso
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81168

Mercedes
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81167

Turkey Machine 01-02-2010 13:35

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And hence it is proved that TM is color blind :D:D:D:D

Colour-blind. If you're gonna make fun of me, despite it's factual accuracy, do it correctly Kymmy. ;)

Kymmy 01-02-2010 14:11

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I was correct, just the english schools system has it wrong.. Thank gawd I only ever hit the tail end of it :D

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Nice little bbc news blog following the 1st day of testing

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8491190.stm

Massa's leading the pack on times, nice to see him back in the cockpit

hedgie 01-02-2010 16:59

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Schumi has been out after lunch for a few laps and is already down to 1m14.255s .

Source Johnathan Noble's Autosport Twitter reed.

I mean no one knows what fuel loads or programs are being run but hey, its real live news !!

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Originally Posted by Turkey Machine (Post 34955767)
That Renault looks GORGEOUS. All other liveries officially suck.

A return to the Black and Yellow they used when they first brought-out the 1.5 turbo F1 back in the day. There was a strong rumour Renault were going to use a Blue and White logo with a Gordini name. That had potential if you ask me. :)

Kymmy 02-02-2010 12:08

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And yet again they've voted to change the points sytem to increase the gap between 1st and 2nd place.

Points run will now be 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1.

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Some good pictures from yesterdays testing at

http://www.speedtv.com/gallery/view/1035047/335751

webcrawler2050 02-02-2010 12:21

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What's the green paint all about on that Mclarens side pods?

Aragorn 02-02-2010 12:39

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Originally Posted by webcrawler2050 (Post 34956633)
What's the green paint all about on that Mclarens side pods?

According to the BBC feed, it's not good news. Apparently they use the luminous paint if they've got big airflow problems.
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1115: On the subject of MercyMurcia's remark below about McLaren potentially using 'fluminescent' paint again, I have the estimable Sarah Holt checking it out on the ground. If true, it does not bode well. Teams use the paint - so named because it helps them see the flow of air over the car and is luminescent - to check out what might be happening if the car is not performing as expected.


webcrawler2050 02-02-2010 12:47

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Originally Posted by Aragorn (Post 34956637)
According to the BBC feed, it's not good news. Apparently they use the luminous paint if they've got big airflow problems.



Great, here we go again. Well they have "time" to fix it.


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