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So how does that differ from other areas of work that have to work in the same conditions, roadworkers, farm workers, beat police officers, etc. Your delevering a bag of mail(ok maybe a heavy bag) not doing hard manual labour. Also, conditions of extreme heat and cold are rare in this country.

Sorry but i'm really struggling to see any credible reasons given at the moment other than: a) We don't like bad weather or b) Somethings changing and we don't like it very much(even though it may be for the better).

If I could see something like a list of changes proposed by RM together with a credible objection from the union next to them then i'd be a lot happier, but such a list doesn't seem to exist.

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Im pretty sure those jobs pay a damn sight better than the post. Added to the fact its completely unnecessary. And I think you will find that the list RM seem to be showing and what the current striking is over probably seems petty to you but what you dont know is that it is this coupled with the long list of changes and compromise we have already made that is causing problems. Its like every time we agree to proposed changes and RM implement them they move the goalposts and decide that's not enough any more. I think if they would at least wait a couple of months it could be better received but that doesn't seem to be RMs style.

And who said bad weather? I think I mentioned heat and daylight. And before anybody jumps on the daylight thing there is a big difference delivering in the evening darkness as opposed to the current early morning darkness ;)

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Likewise, when the union members voted their leadership in they gave them the power to make decisions on their behalf - based on a democratic voting system.

You didn't vote to go to war or take part in the "war on terror" so what gives the Government the right to monitor you 24hrs a day and dictate what you can and can't bring on a plane with you?

It defies belief that someones perspective could be so distorted that they would consider the loss of a few days worth of post more of an affront to them than a Governments decision to send a nation into a war that has cost lives and serious erosions of civil liberties.

With all due respect, had you had due cause to be in a position to vote for the Union leadership then your argument might be valid. However, to extol the virtues of representative democracy used to send people to war on the one hand but deride the very same representative democracy because you'll be moderately inconvenienced by a disruped postal delivery service is a bit rich to say the least.

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Was due to have something delevered on Wednesday, due to unforseen circumstances I couldn't arrange for anyone to be in till today, so the card came through the door Wednesday "we tried to delever and you were not in.....blah, blah", anyway arranged for it to be delevered today. Post came, no parcel, so my wife phoned the number on the card for the local sorting office, she recieves the answer "we aren't sure what happened, the driver must have forgot to put it on the van".

So let me get this straight, a parcel that is my property is now floating around a Royal Mail sorting office with no way to track it. Last time this happened I(or rather RM) lost the parcel, we'll see what happens tomorrow, but RM staff may have lost the last remaining small bit of sympathy I may have had for the strike action.

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Its more than likely that the parcel had not arrived at customer services when you rang the first time. What time and day did you ring? If it was on the Wednesday or early on Thursday and if it had not arrived back at the office It will have been put on the job list for the following morning and it is possible that by the time the package had reached customer services the job on the list was missed or the driver had already left.
Ironically when this happens in our office and it does seem to be happening a lot lately it is due to the fact that our customer services is staffed by one man and it should be staffed with three (One customer facing, one for staff and one for in-between) Yet another modernisation/cost cutting effort from RM management :tu:.

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Not sure I understand, but i'm willing to listen: -

Attempted delevery on Wednesday, not possible as no one in, my wife rings up mid afternoon wednesday with the code on the card and arranged re-delevery today(Friday).

Today(Friday) post arrives, no parcel, wife rings up, get's told that not putting it the van is what "may have happened", "may" as they don't know.

What I can't make my mind up about is what was happening/where my parcel was on the day inbetween(Thursday)?

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i must say that this last week the post has been brilliant ,ordered quite a lot of stuff for my boat from ebay and its been next day delivery every time:tu:

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:clap: Good news

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oh dear
this will end badly scab labor is not the answer .

all i see is the the post office are determined to turn this into something nasty.

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or they are determined to keep the business running and minimise the loss due to people going elsewhere.

My parcel that was meant to be delivered on Friday, then on Saturday never came. Getting fed up of it.

EDIT: Just read the BBC article, it looks to me like RM are recruiting staff to clear the backlog after the strike(s), not as a replacement for the striking workers. Fancy that, RM not wanting to pay overtime to people that have caused the problem in the first place.

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Then the cwu need to wake up and smell the coffee. They are on a hiding to nothing. They have NO public support what so ever. They have decided to ruin the part of the year when its imperative that the post is working. but the worst of all is they will potentially ruin the run up to Christmas and parents have a long memory.

The CWU have pushed the suicide button on this one. I am a member of the CWU and i have supported them in the past on all there actions however i dont support this at all.

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i have just read this
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/oc...l-strike-temps

Royal Mail is heading for a bitter confrontation with postal workers after announcing plans to recruit an army of 30,000 temporary staff in an attempt to crush the national strike that starts this week.

In a move that stunned union leaders and raised tensions between management and workers to new levels, Royal Mail said it had ordered the biggest recruitment drive in its history "to help keep the mail moving during the strikes called by the Communication Workers Union (CWU)". Sources inside the CWU, which has called national strikes for Thursday and Friday, questioned whether the move was legal and suggested that it could be challenged in the courts.
and this from the inde http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-1804868.html


Labour MPs warned that the move could turn the dispute into a full-blown industrial crisis, and urged ministers to intervene immediately – or at least to encourage both sides to turn to the Advisory Conciliation and Arbitration Service (Acas).


sorry to hear about your parcel hope it turns up.

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Good

You cannot expect to have a nice fat pay packet from clearing up the mess that you created by striking. Well done RM

Mean while i hope we can bill the CWU if this happens

In fact if this does turn to violence i for one will cancel my membership of the CWU.

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Commie ;)

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i am also a cwu member ;)

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This is a very insightful read.

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good find :tu:

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A blog from a postman. Not that i am saying its all one sided :)

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There is very little public support for them this time and they know it times are hard for everyone it is simply the wrong time to be doing this and potentially making xmas a lot harder for people with little else to look forward too.

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I'm sure RM's management hadn't thought of that at all.

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will you also refuse any future pay rises they negotiate ?

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What pay rise.

Really what pay rise. The only time i have any interaction with the CWU is when they take my subs. They never get involved unless they think they can get us out on strike :rolleyes:

In fact you have made my mind up for me. Monday i cancel my DD and inform them to sod off.

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the pay rise you get every year/cost of living rise usually around 3% unless of course your over the pay threshold and receive a one off yearly payment.
with the exception of this year of course [pay freeze due to to recession ]


any hoo if your leaving i hope its not a decision you regret next round of redundancies ,or the next time your employer decides to pick on you.

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So no one that works for a company and isn't a union member gets an annual payrise :rolleyes: i have never been a member of a union and while i worked i always got annual payrises and quite generous ones as well and all that without the muscle of a union damn i mst have been lucky. Loving how for some of you it is all down to RM and nothing whatsoever is wrong or at fault at the union level says it all for me thanks.

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That would explain why you have no concept whatsoever as to how negotiated pay rises come about. You seem to think that the payrise fairy simply visited your employers on an annual basis and bestowed payrises.

I'm afraid real life is a lot more difficult than that.

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No i don't what i did was build a relationship with my employers where i spoke to them and they spoke to me and we were able to reach a middle ground without threats or animosity. Please don't make out that being a member of a union or the existence of unions is the be all and end all because in my many years of experience uniions have done more harm then good despite the great work they did when they were first started and needed. Times change and reasonable people can always be communicated with and agrreements reached you do not need to have a union to have a good working life as many in this country now know.

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Rizzy, effectively you were your own union, well done. The reality is that not everyone has an employer who is as ready to listen.

I think you'll find that every unionised member in the country, with the obvious exception of Sirius, will be glad that they have a voice that is prepared to speak up for them in a time of recession.

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Unfortunately, sometimes it seems the Union (UCU) doesn't seem to recognise that time of recession, by asking for a 8% payrise (on top of an annual increment, usually around 2-3%).

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Now, now FW - you know the negotiating drill!!

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While i would love to take the credit for my past experience i can't as nearly every company i have worked at (22ish) the same situation has been present and for me it was the norm hence never wanting or needing a union as all of the decent employee's were able to negotiate on their own behalf to a happy conclusion. In fact the only time any firm i dealt with got hostile was when someone came from outside and tried to bring the union from his old place into the new and virtually every employee made it very clear they were not wanted or welcome.

I think in this day and age every decent company recognises that it is better to have a good relationship with your employee's rather then a hostile one and for those companys that don't i really don't see them changing from bad to good because of the involvement of a union. It is like most things if your used to a union you can't see working life without them but if you have never had a union you quickly learn to deal with things in your own way and i personally think that is better but horses for courses and all that.

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when the cwu negotiate a pay rise with my employer every one benefits even none union members ,when there's any strife none members are more than happy for the rest of us to do the fighting on there behalf while they hide in the wings.

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You did get what you want. You always ask for far more than you want, knowing that you will never get it.

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Old style negotiation and confrontation - how quaint.

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I work for VM and the CWU have done nothing to help me and that includes pay rises .

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Explain where my pay rise went this year as i work for the same company as you ????

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Even UNISON(of which I am a member) have realised that demanding silly pay rises at this point in time is pure stupidity. Not that it isn't stupid at any other time.

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as you well know no one got a rise this year due to the recession - a first since i joined the company 10 years ago ,my wage has risen year on year ,well worth the minimal amount the cwu ask in fees brother .
i wasn't too happy about the situation myself, but given that many companies lowered there work forces pay just to stay afloat and many went to the wall .
we still live to fight another day and i'm grateful for that .

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And in that 10 years how many have been due to the CWU ?

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Only twice I've ever had to call on a union - both times it was the CWU - and both times they were utterly useless. The rep in one of the situations was more interested in telling me she'd won a competition in a magazine for a champagne breakfast then off to meet Davina McCall at a Big Brother recording than to pay attention to the matter in hand.

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more than were down to you fighting my corner ,this is getting tedious now, you obviously have issues with the union you claim to be a member of so take it up with them -contact dan the voice rep he'll start the ball rolling .

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I dont have an issue with you at all i just have a issue with the CWU, PM on its way.

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received mate :ghugs:

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The CWU and the Royal Mail MUST get round the table and sort this one out, I for one would not work for the Post Office, due to the silly hours that they do, they work in all weathers, We are going to have a very bitter and dirty Xmas, as this is what will happen, we are going to have each other slagging off each other, but to me it will be pointless and stupid to employ temp workers, most of them will be foriegn workers (especially on the money the Royal Mail will pay ) and they won't know what the hell to do, instead of paying out this money for temps, pay it to the loyal workers of RM and get it sorted.

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Loyal?

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Yep i was thinking that as well

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As Billy Hayes has invited Crozier to go to ACAS tomorrow. Who wants to start a book on whether Crozier will bother to turn up?

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I doubt it very much Crozier will do what he normally does, do everything against what the union wants, he couldn't run football properly and he cannot run the RM either, he is nothing but a pen pusher who causes trouble.

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Pen pusher......

Arthur, you are so analog. :D

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I can't see that going down too well.... :rolleyes:

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You know what, this may just be the kick up the arse they need.

How does the postal system work in Poland? Hmm, I am guessing it works OK. Who are most of these 30K temps going to be?

Migrant workers who will be greatfull for the work and I am sure they will work bloody hard too.

2.howmany MILLION unemployed in this country? Union or no union, I would be bloody wary if I was a Royal (if you can still call it that) Mail employee.

The writing is on the wall. Strike and they will axe the bloody lot of them and re staff with migrant workers who will only be too glad of the work, I will not go as far to say they will do a better job, but hey...

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That blog is the best thing I have read in this entire thread. I have always supported the postal workers and that has only strengthed my support, do people really think that the decision to strike was taken lightly and without reason?

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Very accurate too, the only bit I didn't know of was the random volume counts. That is I know they happened but I never heard the results.

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I still feell something is being missed here, and that is:..........

With the current ecomical/financial problems, coupled with high employment, you don't call a strike, no if''s, bo but's, you just don't. It's a kick in the teeth for every working age man and woman in this country that hasn't got a job but wants one. Same with the current bus driver strike, and the proposed firefighters strike in South Yorkshire. Strikes depend on a degree of public symathy/empathy, I don't really think it's there in the current climate.

The Royal Mail have had a declining workload since the rapid onset of e-communication/technology advancment, the union seems to have it's head up it's arse for two reasons, 1) Less work = less jobs needed, 2) IT/Mechanised systems have been integrated into other parts of industry for decades, so why not in yours.

The other, semi/related thing that I find shocking is that I could sort of half see the point of striking if their weren't any potential rivals/replacements to RM waiting in the wings, but there are, and this is giving them exaclty the chance they are looking for to take a greater market share, this in turn forces prices down and at last gives a credible alternative to RM.

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This may have been covered before (re the temp workers), but don't the Royal Mail normally hire around 15k temps at this time of year for the build up to Christmas?

So they are hiring another 15k temps to deal with the backlog caused by the strike - is this reasonable, or do we believe that the workers going on strike should be able to earn overtime catching up on the backlog created by the strike?

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I think it is reasonable.

They normally take on 15k this time of year due to the additional Christmas mail etc. This is fine.
The extra 15k is also fine, why should they have to pay people who have refused to work lots of overtime? In a recession to boot. Actually, it's an even better thing that they hire people for that very reason.

30,000 new jobs for people. Cool.

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No, the workers should not be allowed to make up for the wages they have chosen to lose by taking this action. Personally I'd be all for the extra 30,000 replacing the strikers while they're out manning the barricades, but apparently that's illegal. Where's Margaret Thatcher when you need her.

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Exactly. There is a job to be done, and many willing to do it for the wage they are obviously unhappy with.

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That would most definitely be illegal and land the employers in even more hot water. It is the fundamental right of all unionised employees to withdraw labour. The law, quite rightly, protects them in these circumstances.

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Although I don't necessarily disagree with the principal, but why just hire these extra people for a few just days? The strike is only for two days, so these extra temps will only be needed for what, four or five days? Have they all been thoroughly checked and trained for what is, essentially, just a week's work? Or have they been hired for longer, in order to push out the existing postal workers?

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Royal Mail are trying to flex their muscles as much as the workers, rightly or wrongly, are.
One thing about temporary workers, they cost less overall.
They can be hired and fired without much of a whimper, where is the countries sympathy then?
A major factor is Royal mail as any other company, do not have to pay the insurance for those temps, the agency they are hired from covers that angle.
How much training they receive in my experience is irrelevant.
We have had the same posty around here for yonks, and we're forever getting other people's mail!
How hard can it be ro relate a number on an envelope, printed I may add, not written, to the correct letter box?
Valid point on your last paragraph.
Where I work they are making redundant 80+ people from the offices down to the shop floor, so to say, I work in a warehouse.
The excuse given was a turn down in demand, and so the union went in to see management.
It transpires after talks with management, with the union looking through every piece of information the company have, that within a set period of them finishing up 80+ full time permanent workers they have already agreed to start a load of temps to fill those positions.
There is no history of dispute between the workers and the company in this case, it is imo the company using good old maggies workings to full effect.
It is Maggie and her cronies to blame for this environment we have with agencies etc;
In relation to the post office issue, both sides are digging their individual heels in.
Intersting that I heard not half hour ago that if the strike goes ahead TNT wants to put its workers on the streets to post letters.

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This would be excellent. They need to get the go-ahead.

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When you run out of ideas, always resort to the old favourite.

Blame Maggie.

Maggie hasn't been around for 18years, I know some people find it hard to let go

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If your employer fills those jobs with temporary/casual workers, it would be illegal and you would have been unfairly dismissed and your employer should, quite rightly, be brought to book.

If TNT do start delivering mail, it would be a sad day for the citizenship of this country. They do not have a universal delivery obligation; they will pick and choose what is most profitable and leave everyone else out in the cold.

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NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, DO NOT GIVE THIS TO TNT.

They will end up out sourcing to another country, and never deliver on time (FYI I work for TNT *Spits vile taste from mouth*)

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What, so my local TNT postie is going to wake up in Bangalore and then get to my local delivery office in time for his shift? I think not.

No change there then.

Time to find another job perhaps? Sounds like you need a change!

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They're making his entire office redundant and moving it to Belgium.
He's leaving, but he's not happy about it.

Sorry for the off-topic.

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I think it is more likely that the mail will be transported overnight, in bulk, to Eastern Europe and sorted there and returned the next day.

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Well. Still faster than Royal Mail. Bet they won't strike as much either.

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Incidentally, TNT is the privatised Dutch Royal Mail.

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If you truly believe that then there is little hope for the postal service. When TNT decide that your mail is not profitable enough for them, who would you turn to then?

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More like when it costs £3+ to post a letter who are you going to moan about it to?

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I don't know but it's not currently different to this Mail service is it?

Since the workers have decided that they will bring the service to a halt then they may be costing management but in turn they are costing the company. Waiting a week for stuff ordered online, missing driving test confirmation letters, having to pay an extra £10 in order to get a parcel delivered in the next two weeks.

This is a consequence of strike action. The service becomes unreliable. A consequence of that is less customers. Can hardly complain when we want alternatives.

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Yes the sorting office could be in europe, and set back here for posting, (like most of the freight I deal with.)


I have to get another job I redundant as of 31st of December, and 91 british jobs are being done in europe.

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Yep in BAe-146s, and Boeing 737s

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http://www.tnt.com/portal/uk/

TNT Express - Freight (My side of buisness)

THN Post - A RM clone

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Erm they strike over very trival things. (wrong type of coffee, water too hot, not hot enough, its raining) and I'm not joking.

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No, this is a consequence of the Royal Mail trying to extort every last penny out of you, whilst it pays its chief executive millions of pounds in salary and bonus.

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Extort (Oxford English Dictionary)
You may, imho, be over-egging the pudding on this one.

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Scan it. Email it. Job done.

OK this will not work for parcels agreed, but why the hell not? I get my bank statements, car insurance documents via email / online etc. For mundane crap like that, who actually needs the Royal Mail?

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Got to agree! Being a Luddite, until now I'd always preferred to receive bills, statements, financial reports etc. on paper but now I'm switching to electronic mail wherever that's possible. I'm fed up with having stuff go astray for no other reason than the bloke who puts it throught the door can't be bothered to check that he's got the right address. It's hardly rocket science but I'm still waiting for someone from the union to explain why it happens so often and why nothing's ever done about it. I won't be holding my breath for an answer to that one however.....

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I have several gripes about this issue, firstly RM have shot themself in the foot, there service is very poor, years ago we had, first and second deliveries, you could tell the time by the postman, what has happened the RM has gone absolutlely potty by doing away with this good service, employing staff who know nothing about there 'walk' over the last month we have had about ten different postman on our street, most of our mail goes to other doors, this is due to lack of training poor work and some postman who cannot speak basic english, and now the RM wants to improve things, they have gone above the workers instead of talking and training them.

On the other point, if anyone else came into take the contract, almost certainly the price of deliveries would go up even higher than what it is now, for example some companies, would say some places such as the outer hebrides, would not get a look in as it would be a non profit area compared to places like Birmingham and London, all these companies are after is profit and NOT the consumer, l say leave it with the RM, but give them a slap on backside and tell them to pull there finger out and give there workers a decent wage and decent deals.

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What - Welsh, Scottish, Cockney?

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All of the above.
I noticed you left out Irish?

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No workers from overseas.:D

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He hates us Paddies.;)

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Let's not jump to conclusions ;) :D

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I am all too aware Pierre that Maggie has not been around for 18 years or whatever, but she left a lasting legacy in this country, turned families against families, hardly anything for any Tory to be proud of I think to be honest.
You tell families who were ripped apart during her reign to let go.
But at the end of the day her and her cronies were looked after were they not?
Nothing changed there!
She was the one to start all this Agency working lark too.
Another feather to her cap was the Toxteth riots, to name just one.

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all i know is my post is getting here later than ever and have been waiting 10 days now for a letter posted to me first class.

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I think you'll find that raving Trot called Arthur Scargill was the one most directly responsible for that, seeing as he called a national strike without mandate from the miners. Unsurprisingly those who disagreed with the action felt they had a greater obligation to feed their families than to humour him and his revolutionary delusions.

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Don't you mean "we Paddies"?

btw, "hate" is such an emotive word - I prefer "love differently";)


(I should point out, in the spirit of openness, that 3 out 4 of my grandparents were "Paddies" - the other one was Belgian :D)

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http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/we_do...to_strike.html

- from the posties themselves to the customer - what this strike means.

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Then don't. Simples.

At least have the balls to come out and say you want to strike because you want more money and can't give a **** about our deliveries. Don't insult us by lying to our faces.

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Damn! I suppose the 4/5 days promised me about my new debit card will mean more like two weeks...:(

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Good then you'll realise how tired it is to try and blame her for every woe that has befallen the country. There has been 18years passed to reverse some of the edicts that she may have put in place. If you're not happy with things then blame the incumbant administration who are now in their third term.

Correct - a strong economy. One whichn the present government has ridden for the past 11 years, doing their damndest to naff it up, until they finally succeeded last year.

I refer you to Chris's answer.

I would tell families that haven't reconciled after 18years that life's too short.

I would argue they were more honest than the present lot, all parties included??????????????

Agency working is essential in todays labour market. I know agency workers that do very well out of it. It helps companies that have to deal with large fluctuations of seasonal demand. But it is very rarely used as a long term way of staffing companies as agency workers are expensive. In fact where I work they are currently undertaking an exercise to reduce agency staff and were possible get them to become full time employees, but many would rather stay as agency.

So I don't see what the problem is with Agency staff.

Really, I would have thought that years afterwards when she appointed a Minister for Liverpool, and ploughed investment and development into the city. Hosting the International Garden Festival, redeveloping Albert Dock setting off the regeneration of city that now stands as one of the finest in Europe. Was that the feather you were thinking of?

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One of the finest cities in Europe? I do hope you're joking... :erm:

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Well, it seems like Crozier is not too bothered about talking to the workers, then.

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I'm never going to be at the front of the queue to praise Liverpool as a city but I was there in june and whereas some areas really were rough, other parts (including around Albert Dock) really were nice and affluent. If Thatcher was in part responsible for that then she didn't do a bad job.

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Much of the recent regeneration in Liverpool was due to the 2008 European Capital of Culture. I think the EU had more to do with it than Thatcher.

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Correct, last post on this as it's off topic.

But as a "City of Culture" Liverpool has it all. The waterfront and the city centre Rival any city. Streets ahead of Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds, Sheffield.

Outside of the capital the only city that narrowly beats it, is Edinburgh.

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Wrong, wrong wrong,

Take it from some one that grew up in Liverpool in the 80's. The redevelop of Liverpool started in the 80's, around 84/85 if you want to put a year on it.

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Is Parcelforce affected by these strikes?

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No

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Its a well known that this is all the fault of the conservatives policies ever since that cow thatcher stopped school milk its all gone wrong , only thing conservative governments are good for is causing community discord.

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Fancy bringing up Arthur Scargill, in relation to the 'possible', what people don't realise is that the miners strike could have been over quicker than what people think it, The unions agreed TWICE with management that they would call off the strike, but the government said NO to the deal on both occasions.
On the RM situation, l think the postal workers do deserve a better deal and need to have better conditions,:)