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Russ 22-10-2009 11:37
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34894914)
I also find people who think that all BNP supporters are knuckle dragging thugs both ignorent and stupid.
Did you not see my clips from the anti-BNP march in Swansea? They may or may not be the actual BNP but I don't see violent and abusive skinhead thugs coming out in support of other parties.

danielf 22-10-2009 11:46
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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34895207)
Did you not see my clips from the anti-BNP march in Swansea? They may or may not be the actual BNP but I don't see violent and abusive skinhead thugs coming out in support of other parties.
Obviously there will be an element of this, particularly amongst the core supporters/members, who are likely to go on marches. However, that does not mean that all or even the majority of people that voted for them in the last election fit that description.

CHiLL 22-10-2009 11:53
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As much as I hate the BNP, I don't think they should be banned from going on Question Time. They are eligible to run for election, and could run the country if they won (however unlikely).

People are suggesting that this is only going to give the BNP more publicity. There is that, but it's going to be all the other parties vs the BNP. I hope Nick Griffin gets roasted, plus there's bound to be some very hostile members of the public in the crowd attacking the BNP, and some supporting no doubt.

People are worried about people being swayed to the BNP from their appearance on tonight's show. If people are swayed that easily, they obviously have no moral principles towards a certain party, if they can change their views radically in what, 30 minutes?

Angua 22-10-2009 11:55
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The result of not listening to public concerns over issues which worry so many was how the Labour Party came to power.

If nothing else the main stream parties should take note of this rather than hide away or refuse to share a platform with the BNP.

The viewing figures for Question Time will go through the roof, but they should not be afraid of asking the awkward questions that might show the BNP up for the narrow minded racists they are. A much better way of diffusing their arguments IMO

punky 22-10-2009 12:30
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Originally Posted by CHiLL (Post 34895225)
As much as I hate the BNP, I don't think they should be banned from going on Question Time. They are eligible to run for election, and could run the country if they won (however unlikely).

People are suggesting that this is only going to give the BNP more publicity. There is that, but it's going to be all the other parties vs the BNP. I hope Nick Griffin gets roasted, plus there's bound to be some very hostile members of the public in the crowd attacking the BNP, and some supporting no doubt.

People are worried about people being swayed to the BNP from their appearance on tonight's show. If people are swayed that easily, they obviously have no moral principles towards a certain party, if they can change their views radically in what, 30 minutes?
Ultimately it is publicity which will be the downfall of the BNP. Only when the BNP are free to speak fully will people (number 2 below) then listen and realise the BNP isn't the answer they seek.

The BNP has two types of supporters.

The first are the typical skinhead variety. Their numbers have remained fairly constant over the years. Also they won't be won over from the BNP by debate.

The second are the floating voters. These are largely honest, decent people (despite what the UAF and their ilk say). They work hard, pay taxes and obey the law. In a lot of cases i'm sure they do have ethnic minority friends. They also float their votes between the Tories, UKIP and now the BNP depending on who is telling them what they want to hear. They just want their issues dealt with. They can be won over by debate. They are the ones that need to see - on TV/Question Time/whatever - that the BNP is both too inept to run a party and that what they see and identify with is just a veneer.

Trying to undermine the BNP in any way will increase the numbers of #2 voters. That's not really in anyone's best interest.

Hugh 22-10-2009 12:35
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Coherent and well-put proposition, punky.

punky 22-10-2009 12:46
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34895254)
Coherent and well-put proposition, punky.
Thank you, I do try.

The one thing that's really annoying about all this is that there is far too emotion attached to the BNP. That really clouds the issue and makes like harder for everyone.

Gary L 22-10-2009 12:52
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34895263)
The one thing that's really annoying about all this is that there is far too emotion attached to the BNP. That really clouds the issue and makes like harder for everyone.
It does. someone will say is it ok for me to say how unhappy I am about something to do with immigrants?

No, get out you racist! we don't want the BNP in here!
now where was I? oh yes, nice cup of tea Mr Singh?

:)

Stuart 22-10-2009 13:45
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34894577)
Why don't you try my time machine. go back in time, and then come back to the present to compare the two.

Or you can stay where you are and just dwell about the past.
It has not stopped. That kind of racism has decreased in this country, but it has not stopped.

Pierre 22-10-2009 13:56
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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34895292)
It has not stopped. That kind of racism has decreased in this country, but it has not stopped.
To be fair, he never said it had stopped, his point was exactly the same as the one you have just made.

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34894652)
I'm not ignorant. I know racism exists. but not at the extent of what it was in the 60's where someone describes, and to what I was referring to.

Hugh 22-10-2009 14:51
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34895267)
It does. someone will say is it ok for me to say how unhappy I am about something to do with immigrants?

No, get out you racist! we don't want the BNP in here!
now where was I? oh yes, nice cup of tea Mr Singh?

:)
All immigrants, including Aussies/Canadians/Kiwis etc, and those really helpful Poles who do such a good job nearly all of the time?

Gary, as usual, you have reduced a very complex subject to a simplistic rant - I suppose it works for you.

Very few people (imho) have a problem with people stating that they are unhappy with the level of immigration, it is how the argument is put forward (such as the BNP wanting to send back all non-pasty immigrants back (even the ones who are third generation British, so no where really to go back to), and people using spurious arguments that "indigenous" Britons are treated as second class citizens).

Flyboy 22-10-2009 15:01
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34895302)
To be fair, he never said it had stopped, his point was exactly the same as the one you have just made.
To be fair, yes he did.

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34894555)
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34894533)
How long has it been now since all that stopped?
It has stopped. the other thing is something else.

Chris 22-10-2009 15:02
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34894914)
I know many BNP supporters (i hasten to add i am not a member)who do NOT go around "paki bashing"or spitting at muslims or any other type of racist behavior
There's no such thing as "paki bashing". It's called "assault", or "assault occassioning actual bodily harm", or maybe "GBH". Sometimes it's even "murder". I'd appreciate it if you didn't diminish such serious criminal offences with crude racist euphemisms.

And please don't offer up the fact that someone does not go around beating up their fellow man as a positive character trait as if they deserve some sort of medal. Not beating up other people is one of the basic obligations upon anybody who wishes to live in our society.

Salu 22-10-2009 16:43
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> Barak Obama and Gordon Brown are shown a time machine which can see 100
> Years into the future. They both decide to test it by asking a question
> each. Barak goes first
>
>
>
> "What will the USA be like in 100 years time?"
>
> The machine whirrs and beeps and goes into action and gives him a
> printout, he reads it out "The country is in good hands under the new
> president, crime is non-existant, there is no conflict, the economy is
> healthy. There are no worries"
>
> Gordon Brown thinks "Its not bad this time machine, I'll have a bit of
>
> that" so he asks "What will Britain be like in 100 years time?"
> The machine whirrs and beeps and goes into action, and he gets a
> printout. But he just stares at it.
>
> "Come on Gordon" says Barak, "Share what it says"
>
>
>
> "I can't!.....



> .....its all in Urdu!"
I received this in my inbox today. I know it's on a slight tangent but is this a racist joke in bad taste, a joke not to be taken seriously, a concern of a white British citizen put humorously or a possibility etc etc?

Back to the subject I feel that any elected political party should be allowed on Question Time to express their views and should not be censored by the BBC. This is a free country and anyone should be allowed to express their views irrespective of whether you agree with them or not.

Chris 22-10-2009 16:45
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That email was probably first written by the sort of person who prefixes their observations on life with "I'm not racist, but ..."

Jimmy-J 22-10-2009 17:34
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34895248)
Ultimately it is publicity which will be the downfall of the BNP. Only when the BNP are free to speak fully will people (number 2 below) then listen and realise the BNP isn't the answer they seek.
I'm not too sure about that Punky, just look at the amount of bad publicity the main parties are continuously receiving about their bogus expense claims, and yet they still seem to be getting plenty of support.

punky 22-10-2009 17:50
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Anti-fascism protestors are making right muppets of themselves. Argh. I was really looking forward to tonight.

Maggy 22-10-2009 17:53
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8321157.stm

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Anti-fascist protesters have clashed with police outside BBC TV centre, ahead of BNP leader Nick Griffin's appearance on Question Time.
About 30 protesters broke through a gate at the entrance but were stopped by police and escorted out.

punky 22-10-2009 17:53
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Originally Posted by Product 13 (Post 34895517)
I'm not too sure about that Punky, just look at the amount of bad publicity the main parties are continuously receiving about their bogus expense claims, and yet they still seem to be getting plenty of support.
What do you expect people to do?

My MP has an excemplary record with benefits. Alot of other MPs do. I'm happy with the way Cameron has acted. I'm sure others do think so too.

Damien 22-10-2009 17:59
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34895487)
That email was probably first written by the sort of person who prefixes their observations on life with "I'm not racist, but ..."
and can't get Barack Obama's name correct.

Jimmy-J 22-10-2009 18:29
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Originally Posted by punky (Post 34895529)
What do you expect people to do?
Exactly, I suspect people will carry on supporting these hypocrites no matter what they do.

And I also think that some anti BNP protests will have the opposite effect and make some people actually want to vote for Mr Griffin.

Taf 22-10-2009 18:44
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Lab, Lib and Con all fear raising the subject of immigration controls that will work, many people want to hear our potential leaders raise the subject of immigration controls that will work... so if they hear some sensible ideas from the BNP we could see political life in the UK swinging away from those who think political power is their right.

Or he could make a complete ass of himself.

We'll see... I hope.

Unless the fascist anti-fascists manage to prevent it.

Mr Angry 22-10-2009 18:45
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Anything that gets Dammers on TV is a good thing!

Niles Crane 22-10-2009 19:03
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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 34895556)
Lab, Lib and Con all fear raising the subject of immigration controls that will work, many people want to hear our potential leaders raise the subject of immigration controls that will work... so if they hear some sensible ideas from the BNP we could see political life in the UK swinging away from those who think political power is their right.

Or he could make a complete ass of himself.

We'll see... I hope.

Unless the anti-fascists manage to prevent it.
Corrected.

Nidge 22-10-2009 19:31
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What gets me is this, they are all going on about the freedom we have in this country, Labour and the Tories have done more to curb freedom than any fascist party can ever do. All your emails are read. All your surfing is monitored. You're on camera virtually everywhere you go. Free country, nonsense. Your personal details are sold to anyone who wants them. If this is a free country, why is it you are unable to join the police if you are/were a BNP member, but it's OK to be a Tory, Labour or even the shadiest sect ever, the Masons?

I get fed up hearing such bias on the news, constantly, calling them the vile BNP yet they got seats in the by-elections and have roughly 1million voters behind them. Are those people vile too, or have they just had enough of the way this country is going, example leisure centre and hospital signs being in Urdu and Arabic? Going to work, getting taxed to death and then seeing hundreds of darthvaders and goat hurders protesting in the streets about how hard done by they are, when they're living off benefits and contributing to nothing but a dangerous cult.

Most of the BNP manifesto is drivel, but if it makes the major parties sit up and take on what the voting public is attracted to then they'll have served their purpose.

The thing is every time the BNP get a platform on TV, (and I agree with some of their policies, but not most) all you get is idiots standing up shouting racists before a word is said....then the idiots stand up clapping the idiot who shouted racists.......On top of that, the BBC will undoubtedly have a load of skinheads in the audience that are probably nothing to do with the BNP......Griffin can't win either way imo...But I'd like to hear his views against the other parties.....

I'm going to vote for the BNP in Europe as I want us out of Europe totally.....<Mod Edit (Matt D): Removed> the EU.


<Mod Edit (Matt D): Can everybody please remember to mind their language. Maggy already warned about swearing last night>

RizzyKing 22-10-2009 19:37
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In fairness Nidge be honest we all know what the bnp is and what it stands for and i am sure they manasge to sound reasonable now and then but they would be anything but if they ever got into power. It isn't all about other non white races either you should go to one of their little pub meetings when they feel safe and secure and hear some of the ideas for the disabled in this country truly sickening and that was before i was disabled the thought of them in power and what would happen to me scares the hell out of me.

That said while they are a legal political party they must be accorded the same standards that the main partys have and if that includes tv exposure then so be it and if it doesn't apply to them then lets cut the rubbish and stop talking about this country as a free democracy because clearly it wouldn't be.

martyh 22-10-2009 20:39
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Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34895054)
*******s. Most surgeries now run that way because of the amount of appointments wasted by people failing to turn up or cancelling at the last minute. You call on the day so it's almost certain you actually attend.
What difference resources wise, does pre-arranged or on-the-spot appointment making cause? If anything, it requires more resources with this system. To link it to immigration is pure logical fallacy.

surgeries run that way because they only have resources to operate a first come first served basis ,try asking why they changed next time you go to the doctors

None of their policies are up in the air. Read their manifesto.

if you think that any political parties financial policies written god nows when actually mean anything when they get to power then you are very naive


We can already afford it, and every country is in debt.
Fortunately, not everybody is as selfish and short-sighted as you clearly are.

how the hell do you work that out ,this country is virtually on it's knees carrying debt and you still think we should be giving millions in aid to countries ,as i have said i've no problem giving aid but only when we can afford it

Then protest to your local GP and try and get them to change their system.
i did and got the above answer

---------- Post added at 19:39 ---------- Previous post was at 19:35 ----------

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Originally Posted by Niles Crane (Post 34895054)
*******s. Most surgeries now run that way because of the amount of appointments wasted by people failing to turn up or cancelling at the last minute. You call on the day so it's almost certain you actually attend.
What difference resources wise, does pre-arranged or on-the-spot appointment making cause? If anything, it requires more resources with this system. To link it to immigration is pure logical fallacy.

None of their policies are up in the air. Read their manifesto.

We can already afford it, and every country is in debt.
Fortunately, not everybody is as selfish and short-sighted as you clearly are.

Then protest to your local GP and try and get them to change their system.
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34895156)
You do realise that a lot of surgeries are only working because of the immigrant doctors that are running them don't you.....
if you bothered to read my post correctly i havn't said otherwise .I fully appreciate that immigrant doctors make up a large proportion of the NHS ,which is just one reason the BNP's policy of sending them all back doesn't make any sense

Gary L 22-10-2009 20:50
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Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34895292)
It has not stopped. That kind of racism has decreased in this country, but it has not stopped.
Show me a shop where it says "No Blacks or Pakis" on the window.
Name a politician that has since said publically "if you want n****** or pakis living next door to you, vote Labour"

That is what I said had stopped.

---------- Post added at 19:47 ---------- Previous post was at 19:40 ----------

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34895355)
All immigrants, including Aussies/Canadians/Kiwis etc, and those really helpful Poles who do such a good job nearly all of the time?
To be PC then yes. all of them. all them that do a really nice job.
you're on the defensive already. this is what happens. you're jumping on me for being racist before I've even said anything.
that is the problem with this country. and why BNP are getting the votes.

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Gary, as usual, you have reduced a very complex subject to a simplistic rant - I suppose it works for you.
LOL was it a rant? or does it have to be a rant because it'll help your argument?

---------- Post added at 19:47 ---------- Previous post was at 19:47 ----------

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34895364)
To be fair, yes he did.
To solve it once and for all, no he didn't.

---------- Post added at 19:50 ---------- Previous post was at 19:47 ----------

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34895487)
That email was probably first written by the sort of person who prefixes their observations on life with "I'm not racist, but ..."
Why? why not just someone who's funny and can make jokes?

That's why the BNP are where they are now.

martyh 22-10-2009 20:53
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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34895195)
Apart from the rest of your rather incoherently absurd rant; where do families from Poland, India or Afghanistan get priority in health and housing over you white folk? A recent survey produced evidence that no non British race gets priority over housing, in proportion to their representation. I can understand your misperception, regarding housing, because you presumably have been brainwashed by the British Nazi Party's propaganda, but I can't see how you think that other races are being given priority over health issues. Do doctors come out of their surgeries and say, "next non-British patient, please."
show evidence of this survey,and if some immigrants don't get priority how come they are all housed virtually straight away when other people are living in one bed flats with 2 kids
i have by no means been brainwashed by the BNP or any body else it is evidence as seen with my own eyes.In case you didn't know i work for many local authorities in the NE of england on Decent Homes projects and have seen evidene of this with my own eyes

alferret 22-10-2009 20:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34895588)
What gets me is this, they are all going on about the freedom we have in this country, Labour and the Tories have done more to curb freedom than any fascist party can ever do. All your emails are read. All your surfing is monitored. You're on camera virtually everywhere you go. Free country, nonsense. Your personal details are sold to anyone who wants them. If this is a free country, why is it you are unable to join the police if you are/were a BNP member, but it's OK to be a Tory, Labour or even the shadiest sect ever, the Masons?

I get fed up hearing such bias on the news, constantly, calling them the vile BNP yet they got seats in the by-elections and have roughly 1million voters behind them. Are those people vile too, or have they just had enough of the way this country is going, example leisure centre and hospital signs being in Urdu and Arabic? Going to work, getting taxed to death and then seeing hundreds of darthvaders and goat hurders protesting in the streets about how hard done by they are, when they're living off benefits and contributing to nothing but a dangerous cult.

Most of the BNP manifesto is drivel, but if it makes the major parties sit up and take on what the voting public is attracted to then they'll have served their purpose.

The thing is every time the BNP get a platform on TV, (and I agree with some of their policies, but not most) all you get is idiots standing up shouting racists before a word is said....then the idiots stand up clapping the idiot who shouted racists.......On top of that, the BBC will undoubtedly have a load of skinheads in the audience that are probably nothing to do with the BNP......Griffin can't win either way imo...But I'd like to hear his views against the other parties.....

I'm going to vote for the BNP in Europe as I want us out of Europe totally.....<Mod Edit (Matt D): Removed> the EU.
Good post :clap:

Gary L 22-10-2009 20:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34895588)
The thing is every time the BNP get a platform on TV, (and I agree with some of their policies, but not most) all you get is idiots standing up shouting racists before a word is said....then the idiots stand up clapping the idiot who shouted racists.......On top of that, the BBC will undoubtedly have a load of skinheads in the audience that are probably nothing to do with the BNP......Griffin can't win either way imo...But I'd like to hear his views against the other parties.....
:clap::clap::clap:

martyh 22-10-2009 21:07
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34895366)
There's no such thing as "paki bashing". It's called "assault", or "assault occassioning actual bodily harm", or maybe "GBH". Sometimes it's even "murder". I'd appreciate it if you didn't diminish such serious criminal offences with crude racist euphemisms.

And please don't offer up the fact that someone does not go around beating up their fellow man as a positive character trait as if they deserve some sort of medal. Not beating up other people is one of the basic obligations upon anybody who wishes to live in our society.
Chris ,you don't have to be so litteral you know "paki bashing"is a term used by idiots who target any race with a non-white face (proves how stupid they are anyone with a different coulor skin is either a pakistani or chinese),in some areas it is a sport for some,a very sick one

you also must realise that not all supporters/members are of this ilk some are doctors,lawers,policemen and even judges so you cannot identify a BNP member/supporter just by his bleeding knuckles some are retired people who have worked all their lives and are now getting shafted they don't trust the mainstream parties any more hence their support for some of the BNP's policies

Julian 22-10-2009 21:18
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Looks like the theme for the evening is set.....

SEE HERE

Jimmy-J 22-10-2009 21:21
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Follow some of what's happened on QT via Twitter... #bbcqt

SMG 22-10-2009 21:24
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This is a free country. If people want to vote for the BNP, they have a right to do so. Apart from the hype & speculation, plus the news media who always seem to make a mountain out of a mole hill, no one knows what they would do. Their manifesto is as much a pile of crap as every other parties manifesto.

Politicians are liars. Crooks, ripping us off. Cowards, who refuse to speak out publicly against certain subjects. Particularly immigration, for fear someone will brand them "Racist".

This country has slid down the pan so far, I don't think any party could pull it back. But if the BNP say what the people want to hear, they will get votes. Its up to the idiots in power to recognise the problems & sort them out, instead of lying through their back teeth, & doing nothing.

Let them speak. They have the right. I want to hear them & so do others. If you don't want to listen, grab the remote & switch off.

martyh 22-10-2009 21:26
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Originally Posted by SMG (Post 34895698)
This is a free country. If people want to vote for the BNP, they have a right to do so. Apart from the hype & speculation, plus the news media who always seem to make a mountain out of a mole hill, no one knows what they would do. Their manifesto is as much a pile of crap as every other parties manifesto.

Politicians are liars. Crooks, ripping us off. Cowards, who refuse to speak out publicly against certain subjects. Particularly immigration, for fear someone will brand them "Racist".

This country has slid down the pan so far, I don't think any party could pull it back. But if the BNP say what the people want to hear, they will get votes. Its up to the idiots in power to recognise the problems & sort them out, instead of lying through their back teeth, & doing nothing.

Let them speak. They have the right. I want to hear them & so do others. If you don't want to listen, grab the remote & switch off.
well said :tu:

Hugh 22-10-2009 21:50
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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34895653)
To be PC then yes. all of them. all them that do a really nice job.
you're on the defensive already. this is what happens. you're jumping on me for being racist before I've even said anything.
that is the problem with this country. and why BNP are getting the votes.
I never said you were racist, Gary - methinks you protesteth too much.

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34895653)
Why? why not just someone who's funny and can make jokes?

That's why the BNP are where they are now
Because it's not funny, and the same sort of "joke"/comments were made about the Irish 40/50 years ago (that and "coming over here taking our jobs/houses/doctors' appointment") - just a different scapegoat nowadays for people to blame something on.

Tuftus 22-10-2009 22:03
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Originally Posted by Product 13 (Post 34895694)
Follow some of what's happened on QT via Twitter... #bbcqt
Has that been cleared as OK with Stephen Fry?

:rolleyes:

I think Cameron got it right about Twitter...

Gary L 22-10-2009 22:08
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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34895722)
I never said you were racist, Gary - methinks you protesteth too much.
We're keeping with the 'someone will say is it ok for me to say how unhappy I am about something to do with immigrants?'
and getting the typical PC reaction of "All immigrants, including Aussies/Canadians/Kiwis etc, and those really helpful Poles who do such a good job nearly all of the time?"



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Because it's not funny
Because it's not funny to you, and the other he must be "I'm not a racist, but.." to someone else maybe, but let people be their own judge.

Horace 22-10-2009 22:18
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Starting soon..
Quote:
Originally Posted by nicked from elsewhere
A Zebra dies and arrives at the Pearly Gates. As he enters, he asks St. Peter, 'I have a question that's haunted me all of my days on earth. Am I white with black stripes, or am I black with white stripes?'


St.. Peter said, 'That's a question only God can answer.'


So the zebra went off in search of God.
When he found Him, the zebra asked, 'God, please - I must know. Am I white with black stripes, or am I black with white stripes?'

God simply replied 'You are what you are.'



The zebra returned to see St. Peter once more, who asked him, 'Well, did God straighten out your query for you?'

The zebra looked puzzled. 'No sir, God simply said 'You are what you are.''


St. Peter smiled and said to the zebra, 'Well then, there you are. You are white with black stripes.'


The zebra asked St. Peter, 'How do you know that for certain?'



Because,' said St Peter, 'If you were black with white stripes, God would have said, 'You is what you is.'


Damien 22-10-2009 22:22
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Apparently Nick Griffin got a rough ride. He had to defend various racist statements he made in the past, asked direct questions he couldn't worm out of. Didn't deny he was a holocaust denier and said Churchill was Homophobic which didn't go down well.

of course that it won't change the mind of his fans. Many of whom probably agree with him on all that. It should hopefully reach some people though.

(According to Twitter)

Mr Angry 22-10-2009 22:31
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He certainly rocked Jack Straw's little world.

Damien 22-10-2009 22:39
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I saw some clips on the news. It did appear to dodged the Holocaust question. Instead saying "I do not have a conviction for Holocaust denial" but not actually saying he didn't deny it.

Flyboy 22-10-2009 22:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 34895528)
What struck me from that video, is how nice the protesters were. They were not violent, they caused some mild disruption, which is the aim of protest. They even helped a police officer to climb up the gate when he couldn't get through the crowds. So, success all round really.

Osem 22-10-2009 23:03
Re: BNP 'may appear on Question Time'
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34894514)
All I can say Osem, is that your wife has been extremely lucky.
That's possble of course. On the other hand the fact that so many of her foreign friends have done exactly the same thing for the same reasons and without problems would seem to indicate that her experience of life in the UK isn't as unusual as some like to make out.

Hiroki 22-10-2009 23:08
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Can anyone tell me when this question time being aired please?

Hugh 22-10-2009 23:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34895735)
We're keeping with the 'someone will say is it ok for me to say how unhappy I am about something to do with immigrants?'
and getting the typical PC reaction of "All immigrants, including Aussies/Canadians/Kiwis etc, and those really helpful Poles who do such a good job nearly all of the time?"

Because it's not funny to you, and the other he must be "I'm not a racist, but.." to someone else maybe, but let people be their own judge.
Gary, you seem to have been attending the Nick Griffin School for dissimulation and diversionary tactics - it isn't, and shouldn't be, regarded as racist to discuss the issues that immigration may be causing in this country - it is, however, racist if the response to those issues is "drop them out of a plane over bongo-bongo land" or "repatriation of non-indigenes is the answer".

And the jokes about the Irish weren't funny fifty years ago, it's just a different scapegoat now; people who found them funny then/now were/are looking for someone to mock and look down on.

Earl of Bronze 22-10-2009 23:14
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiroki (Post 34895792)
Can anyone tell me when this question time being aired please?
Tonight at 22:35 (10:35 PM for you civies) on BBC 1 tonight.

---------- Post added at 22:14 ---------- Previous post was at 22:12 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34895795)
And the jokes about the Irish weren't funny fifty
In that case why do I find "Paddy" jokes funny ?

Jimmy-J 22-10-2009 23:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuftus (Post 34895732)
I think Cameron got it right about Twitter...
Got what right?

Hiroki 22-10-2009 23:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 34895800)
Tonight at 22:35 (10:35 PM for you civies) on BBC 1 tonight.
Thanks :)

Gary L 22-10-2009 23:18
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34895795)
Gary, you seem to have been attending the Nick Griffin School for dissimulation and diversionary tactics
:rolleyes: :zzz:

Quote:
it isn't, and shouldn't be, regarded as racist to discuss the issues that immigration may be causing in this country
I know, but the problem is the PC brigade.

Quote:
And the jokes about the Irish weren't funny fifty years ago
They were, and they still are.

budwieser 22-10-2009 23:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34895795)
Gary, you seem to have been attending the Nick Griffin School for dissimulation and diversionary tactics - it isn't, and shouldn't be, regarded as racist to discuss the issues that immigration may be causing in this country - it is, however, racist if the response to those issues is "drop them out of a plane over bongo-bongo land" or "repatriation of non-indigenes is the answer".

And the jokes about the Irish weren't funny fifty years ago, it's just a different scapegoat now; people who found them funny then/now were/are looking for someone to mock and look down on.
I think that what gets up peoples butts is the fact that we pay so much in tax and get fudge all back for it.
Immigrants come to this country and get all the benefits that even my daughter cant get, even though she`s worked all of her life and paid her taxes throughout, and they get state handouts and even send the benefits back home to support their children there!:mad:
If you want to come to this country, at least work for your money. I get up at 5.45am every morning to go to work, i usually get home about 5.30pm thats a ****ing long day.! I do it because i want to have good things for my family and pay my bills on time.

martyh 22-10-2009 23:23
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34895786)
What struck me from that video, is how nice the protesters were. They were not violent, they caused some mild disruption, which is the aim of protest. They even helped a police officer to climb up the gate when he couldn't get through the crowds. So, success all round really.
3 police injured ,six arrests,BBC invaded ...nice peacefull protest then :rolleyes:

Russ 22-10-2009 23:32
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
There are idiots on both sides - but the ones spewing hate against other colours and religions are on the side of the BNP.

Gary L 22-10-2009 23:36
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Quote:
What is Labour's big fear over Griffin. And what is Labour’s Master
Plan? They seem to have an agenda of standardisation in every area
they meddle. Our confusion over race, is because we suspect their is
a plan underway which they cannot admit to. The BBC usually just tag
along as their paymaster orders, but not perhaps on this one occasion.

The BBC and the Government are trying to brainwash us into believing,
prejudice is simply treating someone of another race in an unfair way;
the issues are far more complicated than this. Prejudice is also
treating people unfairly because they are ginger, fat, disabled, or in
the case of the BBC, white, or because they are not from a particular
region in Britain; something they actively do to give the false
‘impression’ that they are being fair.

If I treat a black man preferentially because I am aware that 'people
of his race' have historically been treated unfairly - I too am then
guilty of prejudice.

I don't say we should do nothing at all about the unfairness which can
easily develop when nobody cares (for example, that a disabled people
may have trouble getting in buildings), but I think it is somewhat
dangerous to say, we will make it harder for able bodied people to
enter buildings, which is to some extenet what the BBC do when they
'decorate' their TV programmes with the standard token black, Asian,
Scot or whatever - this exercises a prejudice against quality in
preference to a hidden race bias.

The problem of race has come into a sharper focus for all the wrong
reasons. I suspect it has become so important because of
centralisation and nationalisation of media, government and business.
The BBC has to talk to everyone, because it has national and
international interests - so it has great problems relating to people
in 'Ambridge' for example. It cannot allow the village culture rich
in local flavour to continue without adding 'wild cards' of
international irrelevance to contaminate it.

I was in the Halifax Building Society today; the deranged dancing
black Howard seems to have been replaced by a more politically correct
cardboard image of mixed race manager who has Asian skin tone, a black
man's hair, and Chinese eyes. In other words, the Halifax feels
uncomfortable having a white OR black person representing their bank
in the future so they create a new multimix norm. Fine - they are
doing that to maximise their acceptability to the public, so that none
of us get too offended - but if this pressure of multimix continues,
it means that all races are in danger of having their culture eroded
by a standardised human 'product' that is easier for the corporate,
media and governments of the world too relate too. Regional is out!
Individuality is out. The system is pushing towards a one-size-fits-
all world where a company can make an advertisement and then use it
all over the world without regional alteration. It's cheap for a
start but it's also de-humanising.

I HATE racism, but I deeply suspect that out leaders are unfit
psychologically to decide what ‘we’ should or shouldn't be.

In the meantime we have the financial crook and thug Peter Hain and
the crook Jack Straw, both from a government who have 'executed'
hundreds of thousands of innocent people in a bogus war, telling us
that we should hate the BNP without allowing us to hear and consider
farily what issues are raised. I suspect their real fear over
Griffin's soapbox on QT tonight, is that we may agree with aspects of
Griffin's argument.

Osem 22-10-2009 23:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34895811)
3 police injured ,six arrests,BBC invaded ...nice peacefull protest then :rolleyes:
But that's all OK because the people responsible weren't nasty, intolerant, fascists who believe in intimidating and restricting the rights of others to get their way.... :rolleyes:

Russ 22-10-2009 23:44
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That's right Griffin you ****, squirm in your seat. Holocaust denier through and through.

punky 22-10-2009 23:45
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Its only a few minutes in and its already turning into the orchestrated witch-hunt that the majority want it to be. First time a panelist has been allowed to read out a scripted speech as well.

Did they fill the audience with protestors from outside or something?

Damien 22-10-2009 23:52
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34895823)
Its only a few minutes in and its already turning into the orchestrated witch-hunt that the majority want it to be. First time a panelist has been allowed to read out a scripted speech as well.

Did they fill the audience with protestors from outside or something?
There are BNP members in the audience, They are just outnumbered. It's not a witch-hunt though. They have made good points which he has not answered. The question of wanting Britian to be 99% White, did he deny the holocaust, and the Churchhill issue.

Now they are talking about him being with the KKK at a meeting.

I mean these are things he said. What did he expect to happen? The only different here is that Question Time doesn't have politicans with that rap sheet on often and he cannot defend them when he doesn't have his PR campaign.

Russ 22-10-2009 23:52
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I don't know about Griffin but if people were accusing me of being racist I would not be laughing at them like he's doing, I'd take it pretty damn seriously.

martyh 22-10-2009 23:56
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why have they even bothered having the other panelists if they aren't going to be questioned

Russ 22-10-2009 23:56
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
This guy is just incredible. QT is showing him to be the absolute clown that he is. Good on the BBC for showing this.

punky 22-10-2009 23:59
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34895824)
There are BNP members in the audience, They are just outnumbered. It's not a witch-hunt though. They have made good points which he has not answered. The question of wanting Britian to be 99% White, did he deny the holocaust, and the Churchhill issue.

Now they are talking about him being with the KKK at a meeting.

I mean these are things he said. What did he expect to happen? The only different here is that Question Time doesn't have politicans with that rap sheet on often and he cannot defend them when he doesn't have his PR campaign.
If there was any BNP members why aren't they clapping? Or submitting comments?

I don't have any love for the BNP but its immediately obvious the audience isn't as balanced as it usually is and its not being moderated as such.

---------- Post added at 22:59 ---------- Previous post was at 22:58 ----------

Correction a small smattering of applause and cheers from a couple of women when he criticised women's rights under Islam.

Damien 23-10-2009 00:00
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34895830)
If there was any BNP members why aren't they clapping? Or submitting comments?

I don't have any love for the BNP but its immediately obvious the audience isn't as balanced as it usually is and its not being moderated as such.
There is a small amount of appaluse. It's hard to hear with the booing. A small amount does make sense. They don't make up 50% of the population so even a few members would be a over-representation in the audience.

The problem here is that he is facing his own quotes and his own actions and isn't being allowed to deflect or squirm out of it.

Russ 23-10-2009 00:02
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I am so grateful the BBC allowed this. What a complete plank. RIP Griffin's pollitical career.

Damien 23-10-2009 00:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34895828)
why have they even bothered having the other panelists if they aren't going to be questioned
They are being questioned. I mean Nick Griffin isn't on QT every week so the questions will be releated to race, the BNP, and immigration. If he could hold an arguement better than the other panelists would be having a harder time, as yet his own strong part was the Women's rights under Islam, other than that his is squirming, dodging, and laughing at bizarre moments and hence is a lighting rod at the moment.

---------- Post added at 23:04 ---------- Previous post was at 23:03 ----------

That question was a favorible one, maybe from a BNP member. So not all bad for the BNP (i.e not a witch-hunt). Also here we go, Jack Straw is under pressure.

Russ 23-10-2009 00:06
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Audience: "Why should we believe you're not a racist or holocaust denier?"
Griffin: "I don't know why I said those things but good news: I've changed my mind".

punky 23-10-2009 00:09
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
I wouldn't say it was a favourable one. It isn't pro-BNP, its just not anti-BNP either.

The BNP do represent a small amount of the UK but I was under the impression that the audience (as when I was in it) reflects the make up of the panel, not the country. I had to fill in a questionairre before I was selected for the show.

---------- Post added at 23:09 ---------- Previous post was at 23:07 ----------

Unless things radically change I can't this show being productive at all. The people who hate the BNP will hate them more and the people that defend the BNP will just entrench their positions.

A valuable opportunity IMO.

Damien 23-10-2009 00:10
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34895839)
Audience: "Why should we believe you're not a racist or holocaust denier?"
Griffin: "I don't know why I said those things but good news: I've changed my mind".
Coincidently around the time he needs to get votes :D Apparently it was the 'radio intercepts' and not the rest of the overwealming evidence. :rolleyes:

punky 23-10-2009 00:12
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Its not hard to work out. The BNP will get votes. They will even get seats. The NF never will get either.

That's why Griffin's suddenly seen the light on holocaust denying.

Damien 23-10-2009 00:13
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34895840)
I wouldn't say it was a favourable one. It isn't pro-BNP, its just not anti-BNP either.

The BNP do represent a small amount of the UK but I was under the impression that the audience (as when I was in it) reflects the make up of the panel, not the country. I had to fill in a questionairre before I was selected for the show.

Unless things radically change I can't this show being productive at all. The people who hate the BNP will hate them more and the people that defend the BNP will just entrench their positions.

A valuable opportunity IMO.
Well this has been a long spell now where Griffin has not had to say much. It's mostly calling the Labour Immigration policy failed.

It's been a success in that it's the first time Nick Griffin has been questioned about his views and history in a real enviroment where he doesn't have fellow racists cheering him or weak news presenters allowing him to run down the clock.

It should hopefully show that he really is the person people say he is.

Russ 23-10-2009 00:13
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34895842)
Coincidently around the time he needs to get votes :D Apparently it was the 'radio intercepts' and not the rest of the overwealming evidence. :rolleyes:
Admin or not I'd get a lifetime ban from Cable Forum due to the language used if I was to post what I really think about that slimey piece of 'spit' :grind:

punky 23-10-2009 00:14
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
I did read somewhere (Grauniad?) that Griffin did debate Oxford University students and one of the student's was grudgingly impressed. I think that would be more interested.

Russ 23-10-2009 00:18
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Did I just hear Griffin say "skin colour is irrelevant"?!

Seriously, what a stupid, ignorant and evil *insert choice of 4 letter word here*.

punky 23-10-2009 00:20
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Well it is... isn't it?

Or its supposed to be anyway.

Hiroki 23-10-2009 00:20
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Typical bbc not as impartial as they try to make out.

Starting to think Griffin is not that bad really.

punky 23-10-2009 00:22
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
No such thing as a bogus aslym seeker?

What?

Russ 23-10-2009 00:22
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34895850)
Well it is... isn't it?

Or its supposed to be anyway.
Absolutely. But hearing it from Griffin's mouth is just laughable.

punky 23-10-2009 00:24
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34895853)
Absolutely. But hearing it from Griffin's mouth is just laughable.
So basically you'll hate him regardless.

Its opinions like that that make a mockery of a serious debate.

martyh 23-10-2009 00:25
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Greer needs to get rid of the chip on her shoulder

Russ 23-10-2009 00:28
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34895854)
So basically you'll hate him regardless.

Its opinions like that that make a mockery of a serious debate.
Making one's mind up about a person's opinion on one statement certainly does make a mockery of a debate. Kettle/pot/black.

I don't hate anyone - but all the rubbish and back-peddaling he's come out with tonight frankly makes his performance tonight laughable. Claming "skin colour is irrelevant" is a noble action except when your political career has been based on racism.

martyh 23-10-2009 00:31
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34895853)
Absolutely. But hearing it from Griffin's mouth is just laughable.
why ,maybe he's seen the error of his ways and if he was asked questions petaining to modern britain i.e how do you feel about the labour government allowing 1000's of immigrants into a country that can't possibly support them ,then maybe he would be allowed to give a coherant answer

Russ 23-10-2009 00:35
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34895858)
why ,maybe he's seen the error of his ways and if he was asked questions petaining to modern britain i.e how do you feel about the labour government allowing 1000's of immigrants into a country that can't possibly support them ,then maybe he would be allowed to give a coherant answer
He's made a career out of policies based on race. If he really has 'changed his mind' then I expct to see radical changes in their ideals and a complete and unopposed change in their policy on accepting non-whites to their ranks. I expect to see senior members of the BNP to be all kinds of colours too.

Not sure how long I should wait for it though.

downquark1 23-10-2009 00:38
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34895854)
So basically you'll hate him regardless.

Its opinions like that that make a mockery of a serious debate.
Serious debate? When has question time ever been a serious debate? It's just cheap point scoring.

Arguing about who's side dead people would be on is not a productive debate.

punky 23-10-2009 00:40
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Well a bit disappointing, but its a start.

At least there wasn't protests from the audience and he was allowed to speak mostly. That went better that I thought.

Gary L 23-10-2009 00:44
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34895849)
Did I just hear Griffin say "skin colour is irrelevant"?!
If I didn't know what you were talking about, then I'd say skin colour isn't supposed to matter.

punky 23-10-2009 00:47
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ (Post 34895856)
Making one's mind up about a person's opinion on one statement certainly does make a mockery of a debate. Kettle/pot/black
Who said one statement?

You wouldn't charge your mind regardless what said. What was the point in watching it? Is there really nothing more productive you could have done?

There are people that really will be swayed by what Griffin does and doesn't say. They are the ones that will influence elections and the political make-up of this country.

martyh 23-10-2009 00:49
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don't get me wrong Russ i dislike the man also, but maybe the Griffin has spotted that a large proportion of the british public are turning against the mainstream parties and with a some change in their policies they will get more and more support

and don't forget 1million voters voted for them and that figure could be bigger if all their supporters could be bothered to vote

and what worries me is that the panel and audience were so one sided ,it was in no way a balanced and fair discusion

Gary L 23-10-2009 00:49
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The part I found of interest were where the guy asked about the success of the BNP down to the failings of the government on immigration. and the public venting their concerns by voting the BNP.

Damien 23-10-2009 00:50
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by punky (Post 34895865)
At least there wasn't protests from the audience and he was allowed to speak mostly. That went better that I thought.
I thought the same.

I was really worried that Nick Griffin would dodge questions or attempt to refrain the questions. He wasn't able to and really had a bad night. The fact that he was quoted on the show and asked to explain his quotes was good. Especially when he failed, expect on one quotation, to tell the audience which of them were outragious lies. He kept quiet on that. Did not deal with the Holocaust issue well, nor the question on ethnicity.

He got approval for the issue of how some Women are treated in Islam. Other than it he did a lot poorer than expected. It was refresging to see him out of his comfort zone and actualy having to answer questions and explain himself.

His weakest moments were actually when his own quotes and views were said back to him!

I don't agree that it was all against him. Jack Straw got a lot of immigrtion flack.

Obviously the BNP fans will defend him, agreeing with his views etc etc but there was nothing in this performance that would improve peoples views of he BNP.

Julian 23-10-2009 00:50
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Well Nick Griffin was made to look pretty silly, not quite as silly as Jack Straw, but silly nome the less.

Damien 23-10-2009 00:51
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34895869)
If I didn't know what you were talking about, then I'd say skin colour isn't supposed to matter.
Then why didn't he want non-white people in the BNP? Saying race doesn't matter and wanting an all White Britian is kind of odd.

downquark1 23-10-2009 00:51
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I did like the fact he smiled at David Dimblebee and smiled in general. I hate the faux-seriousness that question time instils.

But I don't think my opinions will change of the lying toe-rag. Unless it turns out it has all be a deception and even the BNP material I've seen is a conspiracy to keep them out.

Gary L 23-10-2009 00:54
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34895877)
Then why didn't he want non-white people in the BNP? Saying race doesn't matter and wanting an all White Britian is kind of odd.
It was the context if you like, of what they were discussing that he said that skin colour doesn't matter.

Damien 23-10-2009 00:57
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Anyway. Off to bed with me. Relief that he could not squirm out of his own quotations. That people will still want to vote for someone who hangs around with the KKK and all the other repulsive stuff he failed to account for tonight is depressing but there you go.

Niles Crane 23-10-2009 01:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34895891)
Are you English?
I'm British, but for this mock suggestion, sure. I was just thinking i could do bringerofnoise a massive favour.

If i impregnated his daughter in glorious expression of interracial lust and/or love then he'd not only have English grandchildren, but they'd be mixed-race (or many would consider "black"). So they can be English, but not white, because both is wrong. Everybody wins.

Mr Angry 23-10-2009 01:39
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
I genuinely, and regrettably, consider this to have been a major win for Griffin & the BNP.

The other panellists were lack lustre, unconvincing (given most of their backgrounds) and clearly - for the greater part - engaging in what they thought was populist electioneering.

Cue the BNP vote increase.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Earl of Bronze (Post 34895800)
In that case why do I find "Paddy" jokes funny ?
Go on, tell us - why?

SB_07 23-10-2009 01:46
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
How could anyone take Nick Griffin seriously? (Apart from BNP supporters)

Mr Angry 23-10-2009 01:52
Re: [Update] BNP on Question Time this week
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34895904)
How could anyone take Nick Griffin seriously? (Apart from BNP supporters)
The issue is that people are not taking him seriously enough.

danielf 23-10-2009 02:09
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I can't see this being much of a vote winner for Nick. He was under fire for much of the program, and didn't deal with it very well.

The one section where he could have impressed was about whether the BNP's recent success was a result of failures of recent governments, and it goes onto immigration. He makes a real hash of it, and ends up comparing white people to Aboriginals and going on about tours in the lake district. He could have talked about jobs for local people, but he allows himself to be drawn into the race debate, and moans about a tour being cancelled as only 'English err. white people' were going on them.

I loved Nick's lip twitching during the Straw's closing comments. You can tell he is fuming inside.


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