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so that's how the little blighters get in is it ,intelligent humans out foxed by a fox :D

send the wire into the ground by 2 ft problem solved

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If you went on a hunt the chances of you seeing said animal 'ripped a part' are nil all but.

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Not always, some times they just want the fox moved on and some times they are paid by the hunt for use of the land, nothing is ever straight forward.

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seems a bit pointless then ,if the hunters rarely catch a fox why do they want to bring it back

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Most hunts dont catch a fox your right but even when they do chances are you won't see the kill, it's only 2 members of the hunt actually see the kill as the rest have to stay well behind the hounds, you'd have to ask them but they seem quite keen on it being brought back.

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i must say that since the ban its almost impossible to find a chicken in the shops, and can any one remember eggs ,the fox population must be dealing a devastating blow to poultry farms :rolleyes:

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Since the ban came in there has been a massive increase in the number of foxes killed, for instance on the first day of hunting after the ban came in more foxes were killed than during the entire previous years hunts, the rifle doesn't discriminate between the young and healthy and the old and lame.

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Whether the farmers care if the fox is healthy, fit and intelligent is irrelevant. The fact is that those that are healthy, fit and intelligent are more likely to be able to avoid being captured.

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Barbaric just like the people that enjoy watching and taking part.

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by captured i assume you mean mauled to death . for the amusement of those watching .

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I assume you didn't mean mauled, as the fox is killed by one hound, with one bite, on the back of the head or neck.

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are these dogs trained by the s.a.s ,i only ask as they seem to be very disciplined and follow the chain of command in the heat of battle ,doesn't sound like a pack of dogs to me .

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like this you mean

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Funnily enough they kinda do just that, it's the pack leader that delivers the kill

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That's what they do after the kill not during apparently

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2010/04/78.jpg

this ones got the right idea

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and thats their story and there're sticking to it ;)

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Actually, I wasn't talking specifically about hunting in that post, more culling in general. I do accept that we do need to control the fox population.

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Hmm I dont think Doug should be encouraged by this interview...

David Cameron described himself yesterday as a "country boy" who loved hunting and shooting, hinting that if he was elected Prime Minister the ban on fox hunting would come to an end.

But opponents of hunting seized on the somewhat nonchalant way in which the Tory leader answered questions as a sign that he knows public opinion is against bringing back hunting and other blood sports, which were banned in 2004.

Mr Cameron stressed five times over in an interview lasting only a couple of minutes that MPs would get a free vote on the issue, and speculated that some Tories would vote against bringing back hunting.

Douglas Batchelor, chief executive of the League Against Cruel Sports, said: "The tone of his interview was much more nonchalant than it was a year ago. We're very encouraged by this. They are trying to make it a non-issue."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...g-1934051.html

http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehou...ting-ban.thtml

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I thought it was a free vote last time and the vote was to ban?

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There wont be as many prejudiced Labour back benchers this time I'd imagine and it didn't get passed by much IIRC + Dave's position is seeminly backed up by the governments attempts to get compromise amendments added and the fact the Parliment Act had to be used to force it through The Lords.

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Has anybody here been fox hunting or just read stuff ?
I really wouldnt believe most the stuff the anti blood sports lobby come up with.
A bit off topic but simlar, I drive a 4x4 and like to go green laning, the anti 4x4 lobby say we leave 3ft deep rutts on the lanes, mmmmm I would need tyres 7ft tall to do that as the axle sort of gets in the way.
As for foxes killing chickens, did you know a fox can bite through wire mesh and dig very fast? once it is in it will kill every chicken it can catch and maybe take one home.
People can lose 50,60,70+ in one night to a fox.
If the same happened to your animals would you want revenge?
E.G If a local dog was breaking into childrens rabbit hutches and killing them all over the estate then one of two things would happen (legally) the dog would be destroyed or the owner fined and made to confine the dog.
The first one would be mine.
Seeing that foxes are wild then the only option is to hunt them and kill them.
If people think hounds are bad they should see just one fox in action.

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Of course not, if Cameron wins this "free vote" it will be dominated by prejudiced shire tory MP's instead.

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Why - have they increased the number of shire MPs?

btw, this may cause some confusion amongst the black/white/no shades of gray amongst us...:D

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Nice link :)

I sit on the more 'Conservative' side of the fence but see no need for repeal of the Act. Contrary to apparently popular belief some people who want smaller government and lower taxes don't want to spend their weekends on horse back! I'm far happier smacking people with a sabre :D

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i wonder if anyone has thought of horse hunting ,i mean what use is a horse ? since the invention of the engine there pretty redundant in the uk ,they could be chased across country by a pack of chavdogs followed by towns folk in Isuzu troopers ,blowing trumpets and shouting tally ho ,then at the end of the hunt after a glorious but grisly death there's a BBQ -HORSE RIBS N BURGERS,no wast unlike fox hunting ,and all the leftovers go to the glue factory .;)

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We might need the horses soon now we've reached peak oil production.

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i prefer mine slow roasted not fried.

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Edited for brevity.

I have followed this thread for a while, but have avoided contributing, as I am sure many already know my feelings on the subject. But I felt that it was time I at least anwsered this.

I have witnessed many hunts and can assure you there is little here that is exaggerated. Foxes are torn apart in a bloody frenzy, the animal is often not kiolled outright and can take minutes to die, especially if the huntmaster is particularly cruel. Foxes kill to eat, not just for now, but to store for later. The free range chickens around here are secured enough that there hasn't been an attack for at least three years. If a dog was killing pets, it wouldn't be chased around the estate by hounds and berks on horse back.

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Sorry, smart phone only allows limited characters.

The pro-hunters need to make up their minds. It is either pest control, security or revenge. But I have never heard one of them admit to the real reason and that is for the fun of it. If, as has been suggested, it is for revenge, I can only imagine the mental state of those carrying out such a barbaric punishment on an animal who knows no better.

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I have in my younger years attended many hunts but as a hunt saboteur, I also ended up in front of the judge over it after i defended myself from an idiot with a whip who attacked me.

And btw i would do it again tomorrow if i was fitter and younger

Fox hunting is a barbaric sport which is purely for the enjoyment of the so called adults that attend them.

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a topic we agree on ;)

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Strange i said the same thing :)

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i'm freaked out :disturbd:

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Don't worry, I'm sure normal service will be resumed shortly. ;) :D :D

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I'm sure Horse hunting will soon be a sport, the damn things run wild and kill everything in there path (Cows do the same) :dozey:
As for 'Foxes only kill to eat' Get a life, they kill everything then take one.
Its one of the only animals that enjoy killing, they will do it even if they dont want food.
I think town folk should get out more ;)

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How many times does it have to be explained that a Fox will cache everything it kills if left alone? It's an opportunist, it would come back for the rest but usually it doesn't get the opportunity because by then the deed has been discovered by the owner & the carcasses removed. I think country folk should read more about animal behaviour.

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:clap:

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The argument about pest control doesn't stack, and never has really, let's just cut through the bullpoo.

Fox hunting is a sport, a countryside pastime, believed by the great unwashed to be partaken only by the landed gentry, which is the only reason it was banned. Because Labour reckon it is a sport for snobs, a day out for the rich, so Labour must stop the rich having their fun.

Lots of other sports hurt and/or kill animals. Horse racing, greyhound racing (greyhounds are often killed, abandonded when their racing days are over), fishing, Falconry (yes you're allowed to have a captive hawk kill another bird for sport), Ferreting all these without mentioning cruel snares and traps.


All the above, and the government deem it only neccessary to ban hunting with dogs. Falconry is looked upon as an ancient art, a skill and sport with great heritage to be kept alive.

Fox hunting is equally steeped in tradition but apparantly killing a fox with a dog is so much more worse than killing a bird with a hawk.

There's no consistancy. Me? I'm not bothered either way, but if you're going to ban one method of injuring, hunting and killing animals then surely you ban them all? What makes Fox hunting worse than fishing? At least the fox is killed instantly whereas the fish may dangle on the end of a line until it is exhausted and then it may tossed into a net along with a load of other fish where it will usually die slowly.

Is it because fishing is accessible to the common man, more than say foxhunting?

Ban them all or not at all.

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You would not get a argument from me if they did that.

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Nor me.

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I'd sign up to that. :)

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Ah yes, so called progress, the repeal of the hunting ban.

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TBH, I don't know if the maths will favour a repeal now the Tories don't have an outright majority by themselves. Cameron would only be able to carry this on a free vote. There's no way he can whip the Lib Dems to go for it.

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I'm not sure either, though I expect there will be a lot pushing for it. Badger culling also on the agenda, Britains wildlife loses again.

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Cheers Chris. Before this thread was closed I was wondering if this issue would have any impact on the way people were going to vote? I heard a couple of women say on radio phone in's during the run up to polling day that they couldn't possibly vote for those nasty tories because of this and tbh couldn't believe what I was hearing, how some could put this issue on the same level as the economic crisis beggars belief imo and we'll see how important those "nasty tories" think it is during their first parliament, I bet it isn't even discussed.

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For some people there are issues wider than the pound in their pocket.

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Yeah the country's only screwed, no big deal :rolleyes:

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Yep as long as moderately cute looking vermin can roam the lands everything will be rosy. :erm:

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I'm sure it is now.

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I do not think that huntsmen look cute but they are vermin.:D

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I'm no sure why the thread has been re-opened to just go over the same old arguments, it's been done to death & no-one is going to change their opinion.

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Well with hero Dave now in charge they all expect the hunting ban to repealed, I personally would rather see a huntsman peeled.:D

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Err becasue I asked for it to be re opened to see if it had any impact on the way people voted, there are some out there that actually voted to keep Labour in over this, inspite of everything. Perhaps you have a point though, might be best to close it if only to save us from anymore of Masque's wit.... :)

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I'm sure it did but I didn't vote Labour & it's one of things I am ashamed the Torys are associated with.

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I didn't vote Labour and never have but after hearing the way people like Tony Banks were jumping up and down on the night of the ban shouting things like "that showed the toffs" it's one of the many, many things I'd be ashamed of if I had, there were so many much better ways of dealing with hunting than the legislation they put forward.

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Why for voter appeal.;)

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Could someone please explain how exactly a free vote translates to "Tories will bring back fox hunting" as not all tories want to see it return, similarly with the LDs and Labour, and the other parties?

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Do the other parties get a say? As it stands 293 MPs are for a repeal & 328 are likely to vote against plus there are a few who won't vote either way.

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I think what most people who did base their voting position on this issue wee doing so because of the wider implications of the potential motivations behind such a move.

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Maybe they could get Joshua from "V" to do it. :D:D

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The vast majority of the sitting Tory MPs voted against the ban. As there are now a good deal more of them, there was a danger that this would happen.

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There are over 100 new Tory MPs - you're making a hell of an assumption there.

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And then dipped in salt

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Although I don't have the link to hand right now, but a survey was done, close to the election, of PPCs. Most of the Tory candidates supported a repeal.

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Ouch....:D

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I hope it goes to a free vote, and I hope the repeal fails.

Put it to bed for once and all.

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I hope it gets no where near another vote, far to much time has been wasted on this already.

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Problem is that it will just keep niggling away (on both sides) - too much white noise; squelch it for once and all.

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As Flyboy says most Tory Mp's are in favour of a repeal, but if they vote on what their constituents want we would be left with the status quo.
I believe it was foreverwar who posted a link showing that around 70% of Tory voters favoured the current law, so if these 100 new Tory MP's really believe in the FPTP voting system because an MP is accountable to a certain constituency and constituents then surely a free vote is the perfect opportunity to prove this.

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As I have said before, whilst other forms of hunting are allowed then Fox hunting must be allowed to continue.

It doesn't make sense to single out one form of hunting and ban it.

No if there was a motion to ban hunting of all types then that would be fair enough. So as I've said either ban it all or not at all.

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What other forms of hunting are allowed, which include the pursuit of an animal close to death by exhaustion and eventually torn to pieces by a frenzied, baying pack of hounds, accompanied by up to a hundred people on horseback, all shouting for blood?

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Marriage (or more specifically Divorce)?

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At least the quarry can get their own back by mating with a younger, foxier female than the hunter? :D

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:mad: cruelty to animals, the huntsmen should be jailed, or torn to pieces.

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Ah the barbaric Tory sport that is fox hunting. I'd like some of these so-called English gentlemen in a real fight, they'll have the brown stuff running from their riding pants by the bucket full.

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So sayeth the Labour devotee. Just like Prescot, use fists rather than brain. :rolleyes:

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anybody who hunts and kills animals for sport and pure pleasure needs to be hunted themselves

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Where did I mention fists??

Rep discussion removed - Derek S

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[/COLOR]Well said that man.

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Ah you think weapons should be used instead? How pleasant.
Now, why not try to come up with a coherant, non-classist and logical argument for continuing the ban?

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Excellent. I quite enjoy fishing which normally ends with a fish getting murdered by bashing its head off the side of a boat or a rock.

Should I report to the nearest lamppost for stringing up? :rolleyes:

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Where does it mention weapons?? Where does it mention fists?? Keep plugging the but holes of society mate one day you might get there.

Here's one for you, www.iepsell.com Don't say a Labour supporter never gave you anything.

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Why it's a public forum isn't it?? Oh so sorry it's a Tory controlled Labour bashing forum isn't it?

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It's a public forum with rules. One of the rules is you do not discuss reps in public.

Another is you do not argue with decisions made by a mod in public. If you have an issue with someone or something you can report it.

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So, you meant pillow fight then? Or handbags at dawn?
Still waiting for you to try and come up with a non-classist, coherant and logical argument for retaining the ban. Come on, it can't be that hard, can it?

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Why chase a Fox to the point of exhaustion and set 50 hounds onto it? Is that a sport?

Lets get the huntsmen and put them into a lions den and see if they can run away. They'll be drowning in the brown runny stuff.

The Fox population can be kept in check much easier and more humainly.

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I'm not going to trouser kiss a Moderator. You say this is a public forum? Is it really??

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I guess it is harder than I thought for some :rolleyes:

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:nono: You know something Neil - I am getting sick of your attitude on this forum, we don't want, nor need trouser kissers thank you but, let me tell you what I believe - YOU will abide by our rules or your account will be terminated - it really is as simple as that and as for the comment above and the arguing of a moderator request, it just earned you a 7 day suspension.

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You said " I'd like some of these so-called English gentlemen in a real fight". If you think they would fight without using fists or weapons, what do you think they would use? Feet? Harsh Language?
You are quite free to discuss what you want, as long as it doesn't include Reps and is within the terms and conditions of the site (the link is at the botton of each forum page.

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I find it interesting that so many people here are saying fox hunting is inhumane in one breath and then offering their fellow human beings up for said inhumane treatment the next, doesn't really add any weight to your argument imo

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Do you, or others, eat what you catch and kill?

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Mostly, sometimes not.

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How do you make the determination?

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Mostly what is caught. The size/health of the fish also decides.

If its edible then most of the time I'll keep it. If not it'll be returned to thrown to the gulls.

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Mostly sea fishing then.

I was just seeking clarification, which you've kindly provided.

You determine the fate of your quarry, not a third party. You act as an arbiter of health & suitability for eating of your catch and you will return those which are inedible. However, on occasion you will interject and, for whatever reason, kill those fish you determine to be unhealthy or inedible and feed them to gulls.

Hardly the same premise as foxhunting. Feel free not to report to the nearest lamp post.

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As I've posted before:

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Hunting for food is competely unrelated. Fox hunting is a so called sport done by rich tory *******s, who take great pleasure in watching a poor defenseless animal ripped to pieces.:rolleyes:


Because it against the sites T&C, regardless wether or not you are labour or tory.

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I'm not a rich tory *******, but I'm not against fox hunting.

I was born and brought up in Liverpool, but if people want to ride out in the countryside on horses with 50 dogs chasing a fox, and perhaps ripping it to pieces then I have no problem with it.

I don't see what business it is of mine.

I liken it to bullfighting, a barbaric sport but part of Spains history and heritage.

There are barnaric blood sports all over the world, and more besides just fox hunting in this country. There's just too much hypocrisy in this debate.

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Sorry missed a word of my orriginal post


So would you be happy to have 50 hounds jumping in your garden crapping everywhere, wrecking in the garden in the progress and killing your pet dog in the process, then having those red coated pricks on horse back being rude about it, sitting all high and mighty on there horses.

This happened to my nan who lived in the country.

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Just because it has gone of for a long time does not make it right. There is no sport in the torture of another living being, other than the crazed perverted bloodlust of another. The loudest cry of classist behaviour comes not from the objectors of this activity, but from the participants and its supporters (as you have ably proven here). They are the ones whose excuses have been reduced to class, not those who rationally object to its existence.

These pursuits are also just as objectionable, what is your point?

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Would you object to it if it was predominantly miners who participated?

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Nicely put, Flyboy.

If a creature needs to be killed (for food, to end its suffering, because it's a nuisance, for example) then do it as humanely as possible. Let's keep the ban on hunting with dogs and look for the next cruel sport to target.
We'll get to fishing purely for sport eventually.

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Ahem - some examples of non-classist rational objections against fox-hunting used in this thread (btw, I do not support fox-hunting).

Chinless Inbred-Tory gets hunted by a load of foxes
i hope that someday you will have a pack of hounds chewing at your nuts
hope the toffs have a painfull/fatal accidents
the hunters should be chased and attacked and ripped apart by the dogs, that would be fun for me to watch.
a load of psychos in red coats

And that was just in the first couple of pages, not counting on this page
rich tory *******s
red coated pricks on horse back

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Interestingly enough hunting foxes with birds isn't covered by this ban....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4255614.stm

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You get my vote on that.

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So if they agree to that, then they should be free to hunt and kill animals for sport?