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How do you know they have ordered ordering FFP3 masks? You know nothing!! Are you sure your not here to wined people up? :dozey: |
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Mexico have cut the number of official deaths from Swine Flu from 20 to 7 and the number of suspected deaths to 159 and are re-testing hundreds of people using stricter verification.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8024039.stm At the moment the susect a pig farm in the eastern part of the country as the source of the outbreak. JJ If its a man made weapon it's very poorly designed, the leathality is not very high. Seams to be more like normal flu ;) |
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We're not going to ask again.
Debate the topic, NOT THE POSTER! The next person that decides they would care to ignore this instruction will find themselves hit with the biggest infraction I'm allowed to issue. |
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if it was a man made weapon and its deliberately been released to test it then it may be prudent to test the weakest strain first ;) not that I think this btw |
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Of Course! makes the perfect cover story especially if you release it near a pig farm as well, those sly little ....
Until deaths occur outside of Mexico and starts mutating into a deadly a form, there is not a need for overdue concern, there is not much anyone can do at the moment. WHO are concered as they should be it's there job. I don't think we should let our selves be whipped up in panic. Yes Flu viruses of all types have the potential to cause a pandemic, a lot of other factors do have an impact such as base line heath, nutrition and active and palative care. All of which would probably have an impact in the poor areas of Mexico JJ |
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Sorry but YOU stated that the masks were useless. A clear innaccuracy on your part. |
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There are still people alive from 1918 ;) |
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You saying he is wrong? :rolleyes: |
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A couple of points. 1) You don't know what qualifications Chaos has. He could be medically qualified. Of course, we don't even know if he is actually a he.. 2) I don't believe Chaos said he did know. He said "If they order" |
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If I recall correctly wasn't HIV supposed to be a man made virus too? Again not a particularly good effort. Was SARS man made? how about H5N1? Or is every Virus man made according to you??? The chances are this swine flu, SARS, Bird Flu have been around for thousands of years. The only difference between now and then is our ability to travel to anywhere on the globe within 24hrs. If this virus had broken out two hundred years ago (which it probably has) the chances are it would have been a localised infection and not got out of the village. If an Englishmen had caught it, by the time he had reached home he'd either be better or dead. It's just flu, a nasty one, but if your fit and healthy chances are you'll be ok. Do some research. there have been 150 or so deaths. So what? http://www.uvig.org/faqsheets/flu.asp Quote:
I don't see people running round with masks thinkjing it's the end of the world every year??? Get a grip and get real. |
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:rolleyes: Anyway I dont want an the biggest infraction so I will leave it there. |
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The thing is if hypothetically speaking if this was really really bad those in power would want to keep a lid on it as long as humanly possible. Again hypothetically . Imagine if this virus was deliberately released by some group that knows it will start off mild lull people into a false sense of security knowing it will mutate within a couple of months into something much worse. Imagine the gov know this and start to put things in place ie what Bender said early in the thread. We all convince ourselves everything is ok until one day reports come in about a few deaths that reveiled similar symptoms but much worse and so on. The virus is out in the open in this country . The Scottish couple were out in the open for a while who knows who they passed it onto ? Someone they met might feel a little rough now but goes to work in some kinda distribution plant comes in contact with delivery drivers who are traveling all over the country within a week its everywhere. As I said I do not think its the case just thought I would write a worst case senario |
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Nothing to do with washing hands. You are better of not bothering with the mask and just being vigilant on washing hands etc. |
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The Anthrax attacks after 9/11 - traced to a government lab: http://www.newscientist.com/article/...x-attacks.html Dr says Swine Flu made in lab http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...h_director.php http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq8wk...layer_embedded http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnSX_jS0STA |
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The FFP3 masks make an air tight seal (all long as you don't have a beard) they then filter the air down to micron level. The valve on the from of most masks is to alleviate heat and condensation.
The main factor to consider is how long the protection lasts for, after hours of wearing they must become loaded with virus. I think that they would mainly be used for health workers or other people inder constant exposure. I don't know but I assume that a number of masks would be needed to last a day. The surgical masks seen on TV are of no help for protection. But they do help reduce the amount of virus passed into the air if you are a carrier. This is why Japanese people where masks when suffering from a cold as they see it as a common courtesy. |
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This is really getting stupid and so many people are starting to over react it is beyond a joke now. Bender with all due respect m8 this allocation of mass grave sites and preparation for a epidemic may be new to your partner but it is not new in terms of happening it has been going on for a very long time. Seriously this is done as a matter of routine and the fact it is happening does not in anyway shape or form point to the government knowing something we don't.
As for our resident persistent theorist come on people you should all know better by now then to get involved in any attempt at debate as no chance of a rational one exists and never will do. Right now there is more danger from the over reaction of people then there is from this virus and the media should back off before they start something they can't control there really is no need whatsoever to panic or even unduly worry at this time about this. So far there have been some deaths in mexico and no where else when people start dropping routinely after catching this i might change my mind but right now it is life as normal. |
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I think there are simply some people in the world who have difficulty accepting that basic human nature can lead to people committing vile acts in the name of their cause, or that a natural biological process can cause death and mayhem without human intervention. They believe the only choices are either to believe in chaos (ironic, eh?), or to believe in order - order of the kind that is imposed by secret, powerful people who run the world from darkened, smoke-filled rooms. |
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Thats just it, the politicians are not in control. Tey are puppets of the excessivley rich and powerful. |
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There is an ingrained, and arrogant belief that we humans are Special, and as such can do as we damn well please, with and to our little blue planet. Kind of unfortunate for all the other organisms that we have to eradicate in our drive for more, more, More! Strangely, everytime we cure a disease after years or decades of research, at the cost of tens or even hundreds of millions of pounds/dollars. A new and more deadly/debilating disease/virus/illness appears, at which we throw masses of time and money at to cure, just so more humans (in the developed world) can lead longer, but no happier and secure lives.... Two trueisms to part on.... Life is a terminal condition, and.... No-one gets out of life alive.... |
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I'm just waiting for them to stick a tax on face masks and anti-viral drugs. :)
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Breaking news - 3 more confirmed cases of swine flu in the UK. 1 in London. 1 in Birmingham and 1 girl in Torbay. But they had all travelled to Mexico recently.
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I hear there are several people with a bad cold too, and one with the sh*ts. |
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It appears this strain is only serious if you catch it from patient zero or another victim close to him/her in the chain. It rapidly loses its potency as it transfers from host to host.
This is going to have been an invaluable world-scale test of the mechanisms designed to cope with a pandemic but it doesn't look to me as if we're facing a global medical armageddon this time. |
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I am off to B&Q on my lunch break to get a mask!!!!11!!11one!! |
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The usual seasonal flu in this country is "known" to be attributable to thousands of deaths each year - no one panics. There are a diseases and illnesses far more common and far more deadly than this. That is my point, this hype will be all over in a week when they realise its nothing more dangerous than the flu thousands of us battle against each year. |
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You have failed me. I wanted a virus to kill billions. Mr. Bigglesworth is not happy. |
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If that is true, it is reasonable to expect the virus to kill more people in other areas with bad medical care. |
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The world was a different place when Spanish flu epidemic broke out. |
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I've got it in treble with SARS and Bird flu, for three giant worldwide needless panics spread by misinformation and sensationalist media. |
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What odds are you offering because I am quite tempted :D May be unlikely but if your offering 1/1000+ then yould have to be an idiot not to take em odds! P
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I partly agree I don't think it's misinformation, more over-information and sensationaslist reporting by the media. With the first death outside of Mexico, the 23month baby in Texas (which borders with Mexico) I think we're all concerned at some level, but I feel many of the news agencies are taking it to the extreme and scarying the crap out of us!!! :( Sayign that if the media just reported the official facts, no-one would watch the news cause it'd be boring! I tuned into Fox news last night and cor-blimey, they are sensational alright! By the time I stopped watching Fox news I believed we were on the edge of a 28days later scenario!!! I'm supposed to be flying to Boston, US, on the 9th May, I'm tbh quite worried about doing so :( |
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Isn't it fortunate that all these world-ruling evil masterminds are really, really crap at it.
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I'm not afraid of anything. ;)
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To be fair, he got your name right......:D ---------- Post added at 15:27 ---------- Previous post was at 15:24 ---------- Regarding earlier posts about masks, informative article on the BBC website |
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No! No! Lack of masks is evidence of a conspiracy to get us all infected! He's peddling their lies! He's one of THEM! |
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Chris your starting to worry me more then the virus go take a break :D.
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HA!! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!! :dozey: |
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Intresting that the case in Texas was also a mexican baby to. Quote:
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He sells FFP3 masks, that’s the only mask that will protect you from the virus. He brought a load for the Quote:
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You see if everyone in the media was cool calm and considered then there'd be no story. "oh bit of flu going around, take the usual precautions and you'll be fine" Not nearly as sexy as the the first 45mins of Survivors, which is secretly what they wish was happening. |
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Yes, I noticed that the 'American' fatality in Texas was in fact also a Mexican. So, so far, it is still only Mexicans who are dying of this. People, it seems, who have had opportunity to get lengthy exposure, or perhaps exposure closer to patient zero. I tell you what, if this was made in a lab in order to control world population, the Illuminati should be banging on the lab door demanding a refund. |
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At least 'their' efforts to start a global paranoia pandemic doesn't seem to be having TOO much success (at least in this thread).
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Given all the fuss there's been about bird flu and other possible flu pandemics in the last year or two, how is that protective masks are being ordered only now?
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I'm surprised it's NOT called Mexican flu. Previous pandemics were Spanish, Russian, Hong Kong. Maybe the new fashion of naming after animals is to avoid offending particular nationalities?
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It's political correctness gone mad i tell ya :).
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So is anyone here planning on going abroad this summer going to cancel their flights ?
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It's Political Correctness gone sane, I tell you! Linky "The World Health Organisation (WHO) has said that the most recent research on swine flu has shown that the virus is not caused by pigs. The disease is now being referred to as Mexican flu or "2009 H1N1 flu". The WHO has moved the pandemic alert from four to five, the second highest. The first case of what was called swine flu was reported in Mexico and its first fatality was confirmed there two weeks ago. The 23-month-old infant who died in the US state of Texas, in the first fatal case from the swine flu outbreak in the United States, was also Mexican. The child came from Mexico to Houston for medical treatment, officials said." |
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They are raising the pandemic level to 5.
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Ahem - note the post above yours...... ;)
And for further clarification, here are the levels defined "Phase 1 no viruses circulating among animals have been reported to cause infections in humans. In Phase 2 an animal influenza virus circulating among domesticated or wild animals is known to have caused infection in humans, and is therefore considered a potential pandemic threat. In Phase 3, an animal or human-animal influenza reassortant virus has caused sporadic cases or small clusters of disease in people, but has not resulted in human-to-human transmission sufficient to sustain community-level outbreaks. Limited human-to-human transmission may occur under some circumstances, for example, when there is close contact between an infected person and an unprotected caregiver. However, limited transmission under such restricted circumstances does not indicate that the virus has gained the level of transmissibility among humans necessary to cause a pandemic. Phase 4 is characterized by verified human-to-human transmission of an animal or human-animal influenza reassortant virus able to cause “community-level outbreaks.” The ability to cause sustained disease outbreaks in a community marks a significant upwards shift in the risk for a pandemic. Any country that suspects or has verified such an event should urgently consult with WHO so that the situation can be jointly assessed and a decision made by the affected country if implementation of a rapid pandemic containment operation is warranted. Phase 4 indicates a significant increase in risk of a pandemic but does not necessarily mean that a pandemic is a forgone conclusion. Phase 5 is characterized by human-to-human spread of the virus into at least two countries in one WHO region. While most countries will not be affected at this stage, the declaration of Phase 5 is a strong signal that a pandemic is imminent and that the time to finalize the organization, communication, and implementation of the planned mitigation measures is short. Phase 6, the pandemic phase, is characterized by community level outbreaks in at least one other country in a different WHO region in addition to the criteria defined in Phase 5. Designation of this phase will indicate that a global pandemic is under way." |
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To be fair, he is an ultra-orthodox Israeli Jew - if anyone was going to be offended, I would have put money on that classification.....;)
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I'll start getting worried when it goes to 11.
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