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STONEISLAND 29-04-2009 08:18

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34784976)
Correction, they DO if they are ordering FFP3 masks, which i am sure they will be.:rolleyes:

I'd much rarther trust a professor then YOU who has no qualifications on the subject and clearly as displays knows nothing on the matter. :rolleyes:

How do you know they have ordered ordering FFP3 masks? You know nothing!!


Are you sure your not here to wined people up? :dozey:

jamiefrost 29-04-2009 08:20

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Mexico have cut the number of official deaths from Swine Flu from 20 to 7 and the number of suspected deaths to 159 and are re-testing hundreds of people using stricter verification.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8024039.stm

At the moment the susect a pig farm in the eastern part of the country as the source of the outbreak.

JJ

If its a man made weapon it's very poorly designed, the leathality is not very high. Seams to be more like normal flu ;)

Raistlin 29-04-2009 08:21

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We're not going to ask again.

Debate the topic, NOT THE POSTER!

The next person that decides they would care to ignore this instruction will find themselves hit with the biggest infraction I'm allowed to issue.

zing_deleted 29-04-2009 08:23

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Originally Posted by jamiefrost (Post 34784983)
Mexico have cut the number of official deaths from Swine Flu from 20 to 7 and the number of suspected deaths to 159 and are re-testing hundreds of people using stricter verification.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8024039.stm

At the moment the susect a pig farm in the eastern part of the country as the source of the outbreak.

JJ

If its a man made weapon it's very poorly designed, the leathality is not very high. Seams to be more like normal flu ;)


if it was a man made weapon and its deliberately been released to test it then it may be prudent to test the weakest strain first ;) not that I think this btw

chaos23 29-04-2009 08:24

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34784981)
You know, that for all your insistence this is a government weapon. It's pretty mild? Deaths seem to have only occurred in Mexico where it appears there were other factors such as poor health and poverty. It appears to be a lot milder elsewhere, basically a bad flu.

Kind of overreacting are you not?

No i dont think so. The WHO say themselves this is a very serious situation. They still think it could mutate into a more dangerous virus.

jamiefrost 29-04-2009 08:26

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Of Course! makes the perfect cover story especially if you release it near a pig farm as well, those sly little ....

Until deaths occur outside of Mexico and starts mutating into a deadly a form, there is not a need for overdue concern, there is not much anyone can do at the moment. WHO are concered as they should be it's there job. I don't think we should let our selves be whipped up in panic.

Yes Flu viruses of all types have the potential to cause a pandemic, a lot of other factors do have an impact such as base line heath, nutrition and active and palative care. All of which would probably have an impact in the poor areas of Mexico


JJ

chaos23 29-04-2009 08:28

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Originally Posted by STONEISLAND (Post 34784982)
I'd much rarther trust a professor then YOU who has no qualifications on the subject and clearly as displays knows nothing on the matter. :rolleyes:

How do you know they have ordered ordering FFP3 masks? You know nothing!!


Are you sure your not here to wined people up? :dozey:


Sorry but YOU stated that the masks were useless. A clear innaccuracy on your part.

zing_deleted 29-04-2009 08:29

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Originally Posted by homealone (Post 34784845)
poor analogy, heavy water is non toxic at the levels possible by 'releasing into reservoirs', is itself not radioactive & naturally occurs in the human body.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water

On the other hand a mutated virus would, I agree, be a problem - but that has been said about 'bird flu', arguably a much more lethal strain, and it hasn't happened yet?

I don't think anyone is denying the possibility of a potential 'killer flu virus', just that reacting to each potential candidate as if it were 'the one' is not realistic.

- the nearest to a pandemic 'killer virus' in living memory has been HIV, in my opinion.


There are still people alive from 1918 ;)

STONEISLAND 29-04-2009 08:33

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34784992)
Sorry but YOU stated that the masks were useless. A clear innaccuracy on your part.

chaos on GMTV this morning they had a professor on it who know all about this pandemic he said the mask are useless against this flu. :dozey:

You saying he is wrong? :rolleyes:

chaos23 29-04-2009 08:33

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Originally Posted by STONEISLAND (Post 34784982)
I'd much rarther trust a professor then YOU who has no qualifications on the subject and clearly as displays knows nothing on the matter. :rolleyes:

How do you know they have ordered ordering FFP3 masks? You know nothing!!


Are you sure your not here to wined people up? :dozey:

Why would you get wound up? All i am doing is providing a different angle to all of this.

Stuart 29-04-2009 08:34

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Originally Posted by STONEISLAND (Post 34784982)
I'd much rarther trust a professor then YOU who has no qualifications on the subject and clearly as displays knows nothing on the matter. :rolleyes:

How do you know they have ordered ordering FFP3 masks? You know nothing!!


Are you sure your not here to wined people up? :dozey:


A couple of points.

1) You don't know what qualifications Chaos has. He could be medically qualified. Of course, we don't even know if he is actually a he..

2) I don't believe Chaos said he did know. He said "If they order"

Russ 29-04-2009 08:36

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34784998)
Why would you get wound up? All i am doing is providing a different angle to all of this.

The problem is the angle you provide doesn't really stand up to any sort of rational testing. There is no evidence for what you imply. Obviously if you want to believe in some sort of conspiracy then that's your right but so far all you've come up with are theories, and these theories have been successfully challenged by others. Simply replying to these challenges with "that's what they want you to think"-type answers is starting to look like desperation on your part.

chaos23 29-04-2009 08:37

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Originally Posted by STONEISLAND (Post 34784997)
chaos on GMTV this morning they had a professor on it who know all about this pandemic he said the mask are useless against this flu. :dozey:

You saying he is wrong? :rolleyes:

Well, the mask prevents you from breathing the virus in, but it needs to be used in conjunction with hand washing.

Pierre 29-04-2009 08:39

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34784989)
No i dont think so. The WHO say themselves this is a very serious situation. They still think it could mutate into a more dangerous virus.

Oh dear.

If I recall correctly wasn't HIV supposed to be a man made virus too? Again not a particularly good effort.

Was SARS man made? how about H5N1?

Or is every Virus man made according to you???

The chances are this swine flu, SARS, Bird Flu have been around for thousands of years. The only difference between now and then is our ability to travel to anywhere on the globe within 24hrs.

If this virus had broken out two hundred years ago (which it probably has) the chances are it would have been a localised infection and not got out of the village.

If an Englishmen had caught it, by the time he had reached home he'd either be better or dead.

It's just flu, a nasty one, but if your fit and healthy chances are you'll be ok.

Do some research. there have been 150 or so deaths. So what?

http://www.uvig.org/faqsheets/flu.asp

Quote:

Even in non-epidemic years as many as 3,000 to 4,000 excess deaths are attributable to flu in the UK.3 During epidemics this level is much higher - for example during the epidemic of 1989-90 there were almost 30,000 excess deaths in Great Britain attributable to flu4
That's from the UK Vaccine Industry- every year as many as UK 3 to 4 thousand deaths are attributable to flu.

I don't see people running round with masks thinkjing it's the end of the world every year???

Get a grip and get real.

STONEISLAND 29-04-2009 08:39

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34784998)
Why would you get wound up? All i am doing is providing a different angle to all of this.

???? By insulting members?


Quote:

Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34784998)
I am not interested in your immaturity.



:rolleyes:

Anyway I dont want an the biggest infraction so I will leave it there.

zing_deleted 29-04-2009 08:44

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785001)
The problem is the angle you provide doesn't really stand up to any sort of rational testing. There is no evidence for what you imply. Obviously if you want to believe in some sort of conspiracy then that's your right but so far all you've come up with are theories, and these theories have been successfully challenged by others. Simply replying to these challenges with "that's what they want you to think"-type answers is starting to look like desperation on your part.


The thing is if hypothetically speaking if this was really really bad those in power would want to keep a lid on it as long as humanly possible.

Again hypothetically . Imagine if this virus was deliberately released by some group that knows it will start off mild lull people into a false sense of security knowing it will mutate within a couple of months into something much worse. Imagine the gov know this and start to put things in place ie what Bender said early in the thread. We all convince ourselves everything is ok until one day reports come in about a few deaths that reveiled similar symptoms but much worse and so on.
The virus is out in the open in this country . The Scottish couple were out in the open for a while who knows who they passed it onto ? Someone they met might feel a little rough now but goes to work in some kinda distribution plant comes in contact with delivery drivers who are traveling all over the country within a week its everywhere.

As I said I do not think its the case just thought I would write a worst case senario

STONEISLAND 29-04-2009 08:44

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785004)
Well, the mask prevents you from breathing the virus in, but it needs to be used in conjunction with hand washing.

The virus can leak in from the sides :rolleyes:, when the mask is damp (from condensation) it makes the virus stick to it thus making it USELESS!

Nothing to do with washing hands. You are better of not bothering with the mask and just being vigilant on washing hands etc.

chaos23 29-04-2009 08:53

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785001)
The problem is the angle you provide doesn't really stand up to any sort of rational testing. There is no evidence for what you imply. Obviously if you want to believe in some sort of conspiracy then that's your right but so far all you've come up with are theories, and these theories have been successfully challenged by others. Simply replying to these challenges with "that's what they want you to think"-type answers is starting to look like desperation on your part.

There is some circumstancial evidence though. I will list it below.

The Anthrax attacks after 9/11 - traced to a government lab:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...x-attacks.html

Dr says Swine Flu made in lab

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...h_director.php


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq8wk...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnSX_jS0STA

jamiefrost 29-04-2009 08:54

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The FFP3 masks make an air tight seal (all long as you don't have a beard) they then filter the air down to micron level. The valve on the from of most masks is to alleviate heat and condensation.

The main factor to consider is how long the protection lasts for, after hours of wearing they must become loaded with virus. I think that they would mainly be used for health workers or other people inder constant exposure. I don't know but I assume that a number of masks would be needed to last a day.

The surgical masks seen on TV are of no help for protection. But they do help reduce the amount of virus passed into the air if you are a carrier. This is why Japanese people where masks when suffering from a cold as they see it as a common courtesy.

chaos23 29-04-2009 08:56

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Originally Posted by STONEISLAND (Post 34785009)
The virus can leak in from the sides :rolleyes:, when the mask is damp (from condensation) it makes the virus stick to it thus making it USELESS!

Nothing to do with washing hands. You are better of not bothering with the mask and just being vigilant on washing hands etc.

I think the governments chief medical advisor knows more than you do.:rolleyes:

LondonRoad 29-04-2009 08:58

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Originally Posted by zinglebarb (Post 34784994)
There are still people alive from 1918 ;)

But do they have a living memory?;)

STONEISLAND 29-04-2009 09:00

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785020)
I think the governments chief medical advisor knows more than you do.:rolleyes:

And I think the professor on GMTV knows more then YOU, I’m just repeating what he has said :rolleyes:


RizzyKing 29-04-2009 09:04

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This is really getting stupid and so many people are starting to over react it is beyond a joke now. Bender with all due respect m8 this allocation of mass grave sites and preparation for a epidemic may be new to your partner but it is not new in terms of happening it has been going on for a very long time. Seriously this is done as a matter of routine and the fact it is happening does not in anyway shape or form point to the government knowing something we don't.

As for our resident persistent theorist come on people you should all know better by now then to get involved in any attempt at debate as no chance of a rational one exists and never will do. Right now there is more danger from the over reaction of people then there is from this virus and the media should back off before they start something they can't control there really is no need whatsoever to panic or even unduly worry at this time about this.

So far there have been some deaths in mexico and no where else when people start dropping routinely after catching this i might change my mind but right now it is life as normal.

Hugh 29-04-2009 09:18

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Some sensible advice

And this chap has some good guidelines

(imho)

Russ 29-04-2009 09:24

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785016)
There is some circumstancial evidence though. I will list it below.

The Anthrax attacks after 9/11 - traced to a government lab:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...x-attacks.html

Dr says Swine Flu made in lab

http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfa...h_director.php


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq8wk...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnSX_jS0STA

Haven't noticed anyone dying of it outside of Mexico though. Obviously all those deaths are a tragedy but the virus seems to be failing quite badly at any sort of population control.

Chris 29-04-2009 09:26

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing (Post 34785028)
This is really getting stupid and so many people are starting to over react it is beyond a joke now. Bender with all due respect m8 this allocation of mass grave sites and preparation for a epidemic may be new to your partner but it is not new in terms of happening it has been going on for a very long time. Seriously this is done as a matter of routine and the fact it is happening does not in anyway shape or form point to the government knowing something we don't.

I used to work for an ex-civil servant whose favourite after-dinner story was a massive, multi-agency disaster recovery exercise he participated in, in the south of Scotland, late in 1988. A matter of months before Pan Am 103 blew up and turned a corner of Lockerbie into a crater. Doubtless there are people out there who take that as sufficient proof that the whole thing was set up as well.

I think there are simply some people in the world who have difficulty accepting that basic human nature can lead to people committing vile acts in the name of their cause, or that a natural biological process can cause death and mayhem without human intervention. They believe the only choices are either to believe in chaos (ironic, eh?), or to believe in order - order of the kind that is imposed by secret, powerful people who run the world from darkened, smoke-filled rooms.

Gary L 29-04-2009 09:30

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785045)
or to believe in order - order of the kind that is imposed by secret, powerful people who run the world from darkened, smoke-filled rooms.

That's just dramatising it too much. the world is run by money.

Chris 29-04-2009 09:42

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34785048)
That's just dramatising it too much. the world is run by money.

That's not dramatizing it too much at all. Some people really do think that. 'It's run by money' is a different opinion, and a lot nearer the truth IMO.

chaos23 29-04-2009 09:50

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785053)
That's not dramatizing it too much at all. Some people really do think that. 'It's run by money' is a different opinion, and a lot nearer the truth IMO.

I would say its run FOR money, power and control.

Chris 29-04-2009 09:53

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785056)
I would say its run FOR money, power and control.

Again, to a great extent I would agree with that as a general observation. However some of the specific claims that are made on the basis of that are highly questionable. Such as the idea that someone is trying to engineer a flu pandemic as a means of population control.

chaos23 29-04-2009 10:05

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785058)
Again, to a great extent I would agree with that as a general observation. However some of the specific claims that are made on the basis of that are highly questionable. Such as the idea that someone is trying to engineer a flu pandemic as a means of population control.

But Chris. Do you really think they are going to let overpopulation destroy the planet?

STONEISLAND 29-04-2009 10:10

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785061)
But Chris. Do you really think they are going to let overpopulation destroy the planet?

:rofl:Send in the Men in Black :rofl:

Damien 29-04-2009 10:19

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785056)
I would say its run FOR money, power and control.

I think the problem with these Internet-assembled philosophies and theories on how the world works is that they miss one crucial point. Events control politicians and not the other way around. These conspiracies always look at the aftermath of an event (i.e Iraq war) and then presume that the preceding events were engineered to create said event. If you do it like that then every event in history has pre-planned to create the current politician climate, and hence you end up with the New World Order rubbish.

Osem 29-04-2009 10:47

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34785042)
Haven't noticed anyone dying of it outside of Mexico though. Obviously all those deaths are a tragedy but the virus seems to be failing quite badly at any sort of population control.

The first confirmed death from swine flu outside of Mexico has just been reported in Texas.

chaos23 29-04-2009 11:06

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34785067)
I think the problem with these Internet-assembled philosophies and theories on how the world works is that they miss one crucial point. Events control politicians and not the other way around. These conspiracies always look at the aftermath of an event (i.e Iraq war) and then presume that the preceding events were engineered to create said event. If you do it like that then every event in history has pre-planned to create the current politician climate, and hence you end up with the New World Order rubbish.


Thats just it, the politicians are not in control. Tey are puppets of the excessivley rich and powerful.

Earl of Bronze 29-04-2009 11:07

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785061)
But Chris. Do you really think they are going to let overpopulation destroy the planet?

They (whoever They are), have little or no control over what will, or will not happen. We humans, will indeed allow overpopulation to (if not) destroy or severly damage our planets biosphere....

There is an ingrained, and arrogant belief that we humans are Special, and as such can do as we damn well please, with and to our little blue planet. Kind of unfortunate for all the other organisms that we have to eradicate in our drive for more, more, More! Strangely, everytime we cure a disease after years or decades of research, at the cost of tens or even hundreds of millions of pounds/dollars. A new and more deadly/debilating disease/virus/illness appears, at which we throw masses of time and money at to cure, just so more humans (in the developed world) can lead longer, but no happier and secure lives....

Two trueisms to part on....

Life is a terminal condition, and.... No-one gets out of life alive....

Derek 29-04-2009 11:09

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I'm just waiting for them to stick a tax on face masks and anti-viral drugs. :)

Chris 29-04-2009 11:19

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785061)
But Chris. Do you really think they are going to let overpopulation destroy the planet?

Do you seriously think it's in their power to 'let' or 'prevent' it?

superbiatch 29-04-2009 11:29

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34785090)
I'm just waiting for them to stick a tax on face masks and anti-viral drugs. :)

Latest info about facemasks - one of the many emails received this morning from DH http://www.hpa.org.uk/web/HPAweb&HPA.../1240899135838

chaos23 29-04-2009 11:31

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785097)
Do you seriously think it's in their power to 'let' or 'prevent' it?

Of course. Through science.

Pierre 29-04-2009 11:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34785072)
The first confirmed death from swine flu outside of Mexico has just been reported in Texas.

Yes, a 23 month baby.

"normal" flu could kill a 23 month baby

Quote:

And New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said two people were in hospital and are thought to have the virus.


But he insisted neither the two-year-old from the Bronx and a woman in Brooklyn were in any danger.

He played down the overall threat, saying "so far this disease looks like the disease we have every year".
and

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Health commissioner Thomas Frieden has said "many hundreds" of schoolchildren were ill with suspected swine flu, sparking concern in the city.

But the numbers are not being counted because their symptoms are "mild and everybody appears to be recovering," Mr Frieden added.
and now we're going to waste millions on leaflets

This is really starting to get on my tits

chaos23 29-04-2009 11:33

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Breaking news - 3 more confirmed cases of swine flu in the UK. 1 in London. 1 in Birmingham and 1 girl in Torbay. But they had all travelled to Mexico recently.

Pierre 29-04-2009 11:38

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785105)
Breaking news - 3 more confirmed cases of swine flu in the UK. 1 in London. 1 in Birmingham and 1 girl in Torbay. But they had all travelled to Mexico recently.

So what? are they dead?

I hear there are several people with a bad cold too, and one with the sh*ts.

Chris 29-04-2009 11:38

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It appears this strain is only serious if you catch it from patient zero or another victim close to him/her in the chain. It rapidly loses its potency as it transfers from host to host.

This is going to have been an invaluable world-scale test of the mechanisms designed to cope with a pandemic but it doesn't look to me as if we're facing a global medical armageddon this time.

Tuftus 29-04-2009 11:40

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ZOMG!!!

I am off to B&Q on my lunch break to get a mask!!!!11!!11one!!

chaos23 29-04-2009 11:41

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34785109)
So what? are they dead?

I hear there are several people with a bad cold too, and one with the sh*ts.

You are completely missing the point. This virus has the potential to kill, how many no one really knows.

Stuart 29-04-2009 11:42

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785103)
Of course. Through science.

When compared to Science (and anything Man can achieve), Nature is still far more powerful.

chaos23 29-04-2009 11:42

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785110)
It appears this strain is only serious if you catch it from patient zero or another victim close to him/her in the chain. It rapidly loses its potency as it transfers from host to host.

This is going to have been an invaluable world-scale test of the mechanisms designed to cope with a pandemic but it doesn't look to me as if we're facing a global medical armageddon this time.

It doesnt look like its passing from human to human outside of Mexico. This is weird. All the cases in the UK are from people who have travelled to Mexico.

Stuart 29-04-2009 11:45

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785113)
You are completely missing the point. This virus has the potential to kill, how many no one really knows.

As does pretty much any virus without good medical care. Especially what we know as the common cold (which, IIRC, is one of the most prolific killers on the plant).

Chris 29-04-2009 11:45

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785115)
It doesnt look like its passing from human to human outside of Mexico. This is weird. All the cases in the UK are from people who have travelled to Mexico.

My money is on WHO eventually finding that all the victims attended the same annual pig snogging gala in Veracruz.

Pierre 29-04-2009 11:45

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785113)
You are completely missing the point. This virus has the potential to kill, how many no one really knows.

The common cold has the "potential" to kill, but I don't see everyone screaming about that.

The usual seasonal flu in this country is "known" to be attributable to thousands of deaths each year - no one panics.

There are a diseases and illnesses far more common and far more deadly than this.

That is my point, this hype will be all over in a week when they realise its nothing more dangerous than the flu thousands of us battle against each year.

chaos23 29-04-2009 11:50

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34785118)
The common cold has the "potential" to kill, but I don't see everyone screaming about that.

The usual seasonal flu in this country is "known" to be attributable to thousands of deaths each year - no one panics.

There are a diseases and illnesses far more common and far more deadly than this.

That is my point, this hype will be all over in a week when they realise its nothing more dangerous than the flu thousands of us battle against each year.

Your still missing he point. It hase the potential to dwarf all those other illnesses. 1918? 50 million dead? Have you got it yet?

Derek 29-04-2009 11:50

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785110)
It appears this strain is only serious if you catch it from patient zero or another victim close to him/her in the chain. It rapidly loses its potency as it transfers from host to host.

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You have failed me. I wanted a virus to kill billions. Mr. Bigglesworth is not happy.

Stuart 29-04-2009 11:57

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785115)
It doesnt look like its passing from human to human outside of Mexico. This is weird. All the cases in the UK are from people who have travelled to Mexico.

Which suggests that the conditions within Mexico (such as a lack of good medical care) is helping the virus kill a high number of people.

If that is true, it is reasonable to expect the virus to kill more people in other areas with bad medical care.

Pierre 29-04-2009 12:02

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785121)
Your still missing he point. It hase the potential to dwarf all those other illnesses. 1918? 50 million dead? Have you got it yet?

I will quite happily bet my years salary, which isn't bad, that this is over in a week.

The world was a different place when Spanish flu epidemic broke out.

Osem 29-04-2009 12:24

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34785131)
I will quite happily bet my years salary, which isn't bad, that this is over in a week.

The world was a different place when Spanish flu epidemic broke out.

:erm: you might want to rethink that offer..... ;)

Derek 29-04-2009 12:39

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34785138)
:erm: you might want to rethink that offer..... ;)

Well if it all does go a bit 28 days later then there is a good chance either Pierre or the person taking on the bet will be dead and he won't have to pay out. :)

Pierre 29-04-2009 12:40

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34785138)
:erm: you might want to rethink that offer..... ;)

Nah, I'm confident.

I've got it in treble with SARS and Bird flu, for three giant worldwide needless panics spread by misinformation and sensationalist media.

Damien 29-04-2009 12:56

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What odds are you offering because I am quite tempted :D May be unlikely but if your offering 1/1000+ then yould have to be an idiot not to take em odds! P

Caspar 29-04-2009 13:04

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34785148)
Nah, I'm confident.

I've got it in treble with SARS and Bird flu, for three giant worldwide needless panics spread by misinformation and sensationalist media.


I partly agree I don't think it's misinformation, more over-information and sensationaslist reporting by the media. With the first death outside of Mexico, the 23month baby in Texas (which borders with Mexico) I think we're all concerned at some level, but I feel many of the news agencies are taking it to the extreme and scarying the crap out of us!!! :(

Sayign that if the media just reported the official facts, no-one would watch the news cause it'd be boring! I tuned into Fox news last night and cor-blimey, they are sensational alright! By the time I stopped watching Fox news I believed we were on the edge of a 28days later scenario!!!

I'm supposed to be flying to Boston, US, on the 9th May, I'm tbh quite worried about doing so :(

Hugh 29-04-2009 13:20

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Isn't it fortunate that all these world-ruling evil masterminds are really, really crap at it.

Osem 29-04-2009 13:48

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34785175)
Isn't it fortunate that all these world-ruling evil masterminds are really, really crap at it.

Not many!!! :D

Chris 29-04-2009 13:51

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Originally Posted by Caspar (Post 34785160)
I'm supposed to be flying to Boston, US, on the 9th May, I'm tbh quite worried about doing so :(

I wouldn't be. Sitting here in the UK you're already in closer proximity to two victims than you will be in Boston.

Gary L 29-04-2009 13:55

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34785175)
Isn't it fortunate that all these world-ruling evil masterminds are really, really crap at it.

If it was them that's done it. they are hardly likely to do it all in one big go. they will want it to become a worldwide fear and it's a kind of flu type virus, then they will let it rip :)

Chris 29-04-2009 13:57

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34785215)
If it was them that's done it. they are hardly likely to do it all in one big go. they will want it to become a worldwide fear and it's a kind of flu type virus, then they will let it rip :)

Well, there you go, you've blown their conspiracy wide open. I'd apply for MI6 if I were you, it'll be a shoo-in. They probably won't even make you sit the entrance exam.

Gary L 29-04-2009 13:59

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785219)
Well, there you go, you've blown their conspiracy wide open. I'd apply for MI6 if I were you, it'll be a shoo-in. They probably won't even make you sit the entrance exam.

You know I'm right Chris. that's what you're afraid of :)

Chris 29-04-2009 14:03

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I'm not afraid of anything. ;)

STONEISLAND 29-04-2009 14:05

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785219)
Well, there you go, you've blown their conspiracy wide open. I'd apply for MI6 if I were you, it'll be a shoo-in. They probably won't even make you sit the entrance exam.

:rofl:

Turkey Machine 29-04-2009 14:09

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34785122)
http://www.siberianlight.net/wordpre...03/dr-evil.jpg


You have failed me. I wanted a virus to kill billions. Mr. Bigglesworth is not happy.

I LOL'd, does that make me a bad person? :D

Hugh 29-04-2009 14:27

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Originally Posted by Turkey Machine (Post 34785229)
I LOL'd, does that make me a bad person? :D

If it does, I am also a very bad person......;)

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785227)
I'm not afraid of anything. ;)

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself* - nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. Franklin Delano Roosevelt





(that, and running out of beer)

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 34785224)
You know I'm right Chris. that's what you're afraid of :)

Amazing - two incorrect assumptions in one short statement. ;)

To be fair, he got your name right......:D

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Regarding earlier posts about masks, informative article on the BBC website

Chris 29-04-2009 14:37

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34785232)
Regarding earlier posts about masks, informative article on the BBC website

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Originally Posted by BBC
Professor John Oxford, a virologist at leading London hospital, The Barts and the London, said: "Really, there is very little evidence that masks actually offer much protection against flu.
"I think handing them out to the public as has happened in Mexico just destroys confidence."


No! No! Lack of masks is evidence of a conspiracy to get us all infected! He's peddling their lies! He's one of THEM!

RizzyKing 29-04-2009 14:42

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Chris your starting to worry me more then the virus go take a break :D.

STONEISLAND 29-04-2009 15:00

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785020)
I think the governments chief medical advisor knows more than you do.:rolleyes:


Quote:

Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785020)
Sorry but YOU stated that the masks were useless. A clear innaccuracy on your part.



Quote:

Professor John Oxford, a virologist at leading London hospital, The Barts and the London, said: "Really, there is very little evidence that masks actually offer much protection against flu.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8024605.stm

HA!! Put that in your pipe and smoke it!!!! :dozey:

Chris 29-04-2009 15:06

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785121)
Your still missing he point. It hase the potential to dwarf all those other illnesses. 1918? 50 million dead? Have you got it yet?

I think you're missing a much more fundamental point, which is that 'potential' and 'likelihood' are two entirely different things. The total global nuclear stockpile has the potential to cause the extinction of the human race, but the likelihood of that happening was far greater in 1962 than it is in 2009.

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Originally Posted by chaos23 (Post 34785115)
It doesnt look like its passing from human to human outside of Mexico. This is weird. All the cases in the UK are from people who have travelled to Mexico.

You sound disappointed. Not just spent a pile of cash on tinned food and cheap toilet roll by any chance, have you? Maybe a job-lot of face masks?

LondonRoad 29-04-2009 15:07

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Worries over; :)

Chris 29-04-2009 15:08

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I thought you were big on insisting people examine the evidence properly. How come you didn't notice that your first link contains an interview in which the doctor points out his comments have been gleefully taken out of context by conspiracy nutters? In fact the doctor, when directly asked about this, states emphatically that the virus was not made in a lab:

Quote:

to be honest, I didn't see how that impression had been directed. But, of course, at this point, this is something completely natural. There should be no consideration this is man-made. This is something that has happened throughout history. Swine flu isn't rare. We see it every other year in the U.S. The point was, it's a completely new virus and something not seen before anywhere -- this particular strain of swine flu."

For those needing further elucidation -- say, anyone who's never watched a television medical drama or been to a doctor -- when Carlo said the strain had been cultured in a lab, he just meant: "They took the swab off the individual infected with the illness and grew it in the lab," he says. "It's confusing, but it certainly wasn't created in a lab. I guess it seems obvious for the medical professionals. I'm working with my advisers to make it clear on the messaging. We definitely don't want to convey that it was created in the lab."

Gary L 29-04-2009 15:09

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785260)
You sound disappointed. Not just spent a pile of cash on tinned food and cheap toilet roll by any chance, have you? Maybe a job-lot of face masks?

I've just got a few months stock of tobacco in :)

icestar2 29-04-2009 15:15

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785264)
I thought you were big on insisting people examine the evidence properly. How come you didn't notice that your first link contains an interview in which the doctor points out his comments have been gleefully taken out of context by conspiracy nutters? In fact the doctor, when directly asked about this, states emphatically that the virus was not made in a lab:

Thank you some sense at last. Or maybe "They" just got to him, who knows really.

Intresting that the case in Texas was also a mexican baby to.

Quote:

A Mexican toddler who came to the United States with his family on a visit has died in Texas of the swine flu, Texas officials said
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/30/he...tml?ref=health

STONEISLAND 29-04-2009 15:15

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785260)
You sound disappointed. Not just spent a pile of cash on tinned food and cheap toilet roll by any chance, have you? Maybe a job-lot of face masks?

:rofl:

He sells FFP3 masks, that’s the only mask that will protect you from the virus. He brought a load for the
Quote:

'governments chief medical advisor'


https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/04/5.jpg

Pierre 29-04-2009 15:19

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785264)
I thought you were big on insisting people examine the evidence properly. How come you didn't notice that your first link contains an interview in which the doctor points out his comments have been gleefully taken out of context by conspiracy nutters? In fact the doctor, when directly asked about this, states emphatically that the virus was not made in a lab:

No no, you see takingn time to read the facts about a situation only slows down the build up of hysteria.

You see if everyone in the media was cool calm and considered then there'd be no story.

"oh bit of flu going around, take the usual precautions and you'll be fine"

Not nearly as sexy as the the first 45mins of Survivors, which is secretly what they wish was happening.

Chris 29-04-2009 15:23

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Originally Posted by icestar2 (Post 34785269)
Thank you some sense at last. Or maybe "They" just got to him, who knows really.

Intresting that the case in Texas was also a mexican baby to.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/30/he...tml?ref=health

One does one's best. :D

Yes, I noticed that the 'American' fatality in Texas was in fact also a Mexican. So, so far, it is still only Mexicans who are dying of this. People, it seems, who have had opportunity to get lengthy exposure, or perhaps exposure closer to patient zero.

I tell you what, if this was made in a lab in order to control world population, the Illuminati should be banging on the lab door demanding a refund.

Hugh 29-04-2009 15:26

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2009/04/4.jpg

Stuart 29-04-2009 16:08

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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 34785274)
No no, you see takingn time to read the facts about a situation only slows down the build up of hysteria.

You see if everyone in the media was cool calm and considered then there'd be no story.

"oh bit of flu going around, take the usual precautions and you'll be fine"

Not nearly as sexy as the the first 45mins of Survivors, which is secretly what they wish was happening.

If everyone in the media was cool, calm and collected about a lot of things (this included), then how would they fill the airtime on the the 24 hour new channels? They need stories like this to carry on for as long as possible to fill airtime and sell adverts..

Sir John Luke 29-04-2009 17:14

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At least 'their' efforts to start a global paranoia pandemic doesn't seem to be having TOO much success (at least in this thread).

Osem 29-04-2009 18:03

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Given all the fuss there's been about bird flu and other possible flu pandemics in the last year or two, how is that protective masks are being ordered only now?

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785279)
Yes, I noticed that the 'American' fatality in Texas was in fact also a Mexican. So, so far, it is still only Mexicans who are dying of this. People, it seems, who have had opportunity to get lengthy exposure, or perhaps exposure closer to patient zero.

Perhaps they'll rename it Mexican flu then..... ;)

SMG 29-04-2009 18:04

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34785260)
I think you're missing a much more fundamental point, which is that 'potential' and 'likelihood' are two entirely different things. The total global nuclear stockpile has the potential to cause the extinction of the human race, but the likelihood of that happening was far greater in 1962 than it is in 2009.

Thats a very well explained point. Although this virus is spreading, & has now killed outside Mexico, there is very little we can do to protect ourselves from it. Masks do help, as does cleaning, disinfecting & keeping our hands clean, but not enough to ensure complete protection.

Derek 29-04-2009 18:13

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34785340)
Perhaps they'll rename it Mexican flu then..... ;)

Some people want it changed...

Quote:

One Monday, Israel's deputy Health Minister Yakov Litzman, who belongs to an ultra-Orthodox Jewish sect, said the outbreak should be renamed "Mexican flu" in deference to Jewish and Muslim sensitivities over pork.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/8022340.stm

Sir John Luke 29-04-2009 18:19

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I'm surprised it's NOT called Mexican flu. Previous pandemics were Spanish, Russian, Hong Kong. Maybe the new fashion of naming after animals is to avoid offending particular nationalities?

RizzyKing 29-04-2009 18:51

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It's political correctness gone mad i tell ya :).

Halcyon 29-04-2009 19:02

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So is anyone here planning on going abroad this summer going to cancel their flights ?

Peter_ 29-04-2009 19:08

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Originally Posted by Halcyon (Post 34785383)
So is anyone here planning on going abroad this summer going to cancel their flights ?

Best not to cancel as you may lose money, wait till they say that you cannot go then you should get a refund.

Maggy 29-04-2009 19:14

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Originally Posted by Sir John Luke (Post 34785360)
I'm surprised it's NOT called Mexican flu. Previous pandemics were Spanish, Russian, Hong Kong. Maybe the new fashion of naming after animals is to avoid offending particular nationalities?

It is not a new fashion..it's because the Virus has been passed from animals to humans and thence on into the human population..nothing PC about it.

Hugh 29-04-2009 19:16

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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 34785340)
Given all the fuss there's been about bird flu and other possible flu pandemics in the last year or two, how is that protective masks are being ordered only now?

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Perhaps they'll rename it Mexican flu then..... ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir John Luke (Post 34785360)
I'm surprised it's NOT called Mexican flu. Previous pandemics were Spanish, Russian, Hong Kong. Maybe the new fashion of naming after animals is to avoid offending particular nationalities?

Consider yourself unsurprised.....;)

It's Political Correctness gone sane, I tell you!

Linky

"The World Health Organisation (WHO) has said that the most recent research on swine flu has shown that the virus is not caused by pigs. The disease is now being referred to as Mexican flu or "2009 H1N1 flu". The WHO has moved the pandemic alert from four to five, the second highest. The first case of what was called swine flu was reported in Mexico and its first fatality was confirmed there two weeks ago.

The 23-month-old infant who died in the US state of Texas, in the first fatal case from the swine flu outbreak in the United States, was also Mexican. The child came from Mexico to Houston for medical treatment, officials said."

chaos23 29-04-2009 19:34

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They are raising the pandemic level to 5.

Hugh 29-04-2009 19:38

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Ahem - note the post above yours...... ;)

And for further clarification, here are the levels defined

"Phase 1 no viruses circulating among animals have been reported to cause infections in humans.

In Phase 2 an animal influenza virus circulating among domesticated or wild animals is known to have caused infection in humans, and is therefore considered a potential pandemic threat.

In Phase 3, an animal or human-animal influenza reassortant virus has caused sporadic cases or small clusters of disease in people, but has not resulted in human-to-human transmission sufficient to sustain community-level outbreaks. Limited human-to-human transmission may occur under some circumstances, for example, when there is close contact between an infected person and an unprotected caregiver. However, limited transmission under such restricted circumstances does not indicate that the virus has gained the level of transmissibility among humans necessary to cause a pandemic.

Phase 4 is characterized by verified human-to-human transmission of an animal or human-animal influenza reassortant virus able to cause “community-level outbreaks.” The ability to cause sustained disease outbreaks in a community marks a significant upwards shift in the risk for a pandemic. Any country that suspects or has verified such an event should urgently consult with WHO so that the situation can be jointly assessed and a decision made by the affected country if implementation of a rapid pandemic containment operation is warranted. Phase 4 indicates a significant increase in risk of a pandemic but does not necessarily mean that a pandemic is a forgone conclusion.

Phase 5 is characterized by human-to-human spread of the virus into at least two countries in one WHO region. While most countries will not be affected at this stage, the declaration of Phase 5 is a strong signal that a pandemic is imminent and that the time to finalize the organization, communication, and implementation of the planned mitigation measures is short.

Phase 6, the pandemic phase, is characterized by community level outbreaks in at least one other country in a different WHO region in addition to the criteria defined in Phase 5. Designation of this phase will indicate that a global pandemic is under way."

Osem 29-04-2009 19:55

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34785354)

Now why doesn't that surprise me?...... :rolleyes:

Hugh 29-04-2009 20:28

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To be fair, he is an ultra-orthodox Israeli Jew - if anyone was going to be offended, I would have put money on that classification.....;)

Derek 29-04-2009 20:30

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I'll start getting worried when it goes to 11.

On a more serious note does anyone know what the previous 'We're all going to die' outbreak of SARS was rated at?

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Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34785445)
To be fair, he is an ultra-orthodox Israeli Jew - if anyone was going to be offended, I would have put money on that classification.....;)

At least he hasn't called for it to be renamed Gaza Flu and started suggesting the only way to eradicate it is to napalm Gaza.

Yet... :erm:

Raistlin 29-04-2009 20:31

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Originally Posted by Derek S (Post 34785446)
I'll start getting worried when it goes to 11.

On a more serious note does anyone know what the previous 'We're all going to die' outbreak of SARS was rated at?

I think it was rated at 21.2 on the official 'Oh my God we're all doomed due to an evil virus released by <Insert Dictatorship Here>' scale as produced by 'Which Consipracy Monthly' magazine ;)

Tezcatlipoca 29-04-2009 20:33

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