Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34748684)

i would like to offer another explanation as to why the parents in question objected to the gym club.

The school in question ,old palace school ,croydon,(former home of the arch bishop of canterbury)is a private/independant school of mixed ethnicity for girls age 5-18yrs,it's religious leaning is church of england, it also has a chapel and is a registered charity.
given these facts i find it hard to believe that the parents who have objected to the after school gym club because it has boys in it(some as young as 5yrs that's why the organiser won't move the club to a later time)are "hard line Muslims" at all .If they were then they would not send there daughters to a church of England school.

I think they are plain and simple unrelenting snobs and cannot stand the thought of boys even being on the premises when they have paid "good money" to keep their little darlings away from boys

if on the other hand they are quoting religious reasons for creating such a fuss about nothing then they are the biggest hypocrites in gods creation and i would like to know how they can justify "picking and choosing"which part of their religion they enforce

Having looked on the schools website at the numerous promotional photos they show pictures of many girls ,possibly muslim possibly not,i cannot tell because they all have the same uniform on,not a single veil in sight I assume they have male teachers as-well which would mean that the muslim girls are coming into contact with males which is what this discussion is all about
so i hope the people in question are snobs because that's easily dealt with
if on the other hand the gym club has to be closed or moved on religious grounds then the school has a really big problem considering how it claims to support the local community

quote from the schools web site

" developing, throughout the community, supportive and constructive relationships based on mutual respect and understanding, upholding the values and Christian ideals of our Founders";

i think that all parties should get round a table and show a bit of common sense and leave religion out of it..and perhaps ask the children what they want

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34748630)

being fed up to the back teeth of them trying to change our great nation one step at a time is hardly racist/hate

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34748630)

and if more Muslims are radicalised because they cant take criticism i wont lose any sleep over it.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34748706)

It is about time, someone spoke there mind on this matter, and l appulad you for saying it.

It is about time, this was said, and my opion is quite simple, if you don't like it, move to another school, and leave the kids to do what they want:)

Originally Posted by soicky (Post 34748696)

It's always us and them Who's them? Muslims, Non-British, Asians?



If you think for a second what do you think they are going to do? Stay in their rooms playing computer games. No they are going to cause mass destruction and devastation throughout, you might not loose any sleep, but a heck of alot of people will.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34748717)

[Hi Foreverwar, Point taken, But l still applaud the person for saying what was said.

We simply have to make a stand.:)

Originally Posted by soicky (Post 34748613)

sorry to go off-topic here but i think it's important to say all this hate that is shown towards Muslims not just in this thread but throughout the world because of the actions of a small minority of Muslims will cause more drift between the moderate Muslim, it's sad to say but some people (bnp) want this to happen.

More Muslims will be radicalised by this hate shown towards them. It doesn't help the overall situation that we are dealing with on a day to day basis.

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34748721)

And all this farrago is based on hear-say from the Gym Club organiser.............

Originally Posted by foreverwar (Post 34748721)

And all this farrago is based on hear-say from the Gym Club organiser.............

Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34748967)

That's just it.. There could be any number of reasons why the school wanted to do this. It could simply be that another club that is actually run by the school needs the space at that time...

Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 34747010)

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/...hut-by-Muslims

Nick Seaton, of the Campaign for Real Education, said: "It seems extreme to force out a club that appears to be doing tremendous good work for children and the community. It's very difficult to see any great grounds for ruining opportunities for children."


well sad day for the kids, what is this country turning into?

Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34749253)

Ermm excuse me but if they don't like it they can always go back to their own country. They are in our country they abide by our rules, this whole story has just shown how far we bend over to accomodate these people. They aren't moaning about men being in the same building as women when they are waiting in the Post Office to collect their giros.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34749255)

:banghead:

They were born here.

This is their country.

Live with it!

Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34749293)

The children might have been born here but I doubt the parents were, it's the parents who are causing the problems isn't it?

Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34749293)

The children might have been born here but I doubt the parents were, it's the parents who are causing the problems isn't it?

Originally Posted by CHiLL (Post 34749491)

I'm sure there were better and more convenient methods of dealing with the situation if they actually sat down and thought about it. But I think because racism is such a tender subject, they didn't want to wobble the ladder and took the easiest option, which is to close the place.

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34749661)

It always seems funny to me, that when children go to school or any educational property, the children are taught problems, when there parents go haywire, and this is probabely the case in this events, You will always get a big mouth parent that stirs up trouble, and it takes a very brave person to go up to that parent and say, ' look if you don't like it, **** off' and leave us to get on with our lifes, and don't ruin it for other people.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34747101)

i use asian as a collective term, hindus ,muslim chinese all live in Asia

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34747126)

okay i'll spell it out ... Asian as in "the Asian community" i wouldn't want to single out any one particular religion but it does appear that Asian people are at center of this discusion we don't know that all of them are practicing muslims If i was certain that they were all muslims then i would say "the muslim community"

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34749740)

That has got to be the most ignorant and racist post I have ever read.

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Too late, you have already shown us your true colours. Why do you continue to dig your hole?

Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 34747170)

1) It is an independent school, not a private school.
2) It is still Tax payer funded.
3) The meetings were after school hours, so were a function of a public building NOT of a school.

Originally Posted by CHiLL (Post 34747713)

So what? We're just supposed to stand here and watch them take away all of our privileges?

I don't mind them living here, but I DO mind them enforcing their religion over us.

Originally Posted by demented (Post 34748569)

It may be based inside the school but is not inside of school hours as far as I can tell. These children are not being forced to go to the gym so I don't see the problem of peacefully coexisting. If the piece is to believed the lot being kicked out contain some in a vurnerable group (young). The attitude rather of one of compassion and understanding seems to be one of immaturity just applying some far reaching abitrary objection based solely on the gender (and if it is to be believed, religion in some cases).

Originally Posted by Nidge (Post 34749253)

Ermm excuse me but if they don't like it they can always go back to their own country. They are in our country they abide by our rules, this whole story has just shown how far we bend over to accomodate these people. They aren't moaning about men being in the same building as women when they are waiting in the Post Office to collect their giros.

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 34749747)

explain why describing someone as asian or being from asia is racist

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34749748)

I would bet a years income on the school still being active at this time. There are probably several extracurricular activities and after school clubs.

Originally Posted by demented (Post 34749774)

Clearly so. They aren't presumably compulsory though, which is the important point for me. It is the school's building, although pupils should have a say in how it is used the ultimate decision is with the school. I think the school should have just told the objecting parents although they were trying to seek a compromise ultimately they weren't budging and it was upto the parents whether they sent their daughters to the gym or not.

Despite other people saying about alternatives, gyms don't grow on trees, I'd have thought it would be quite a challenge to find something suitable for the youngsters and locally.

Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 34749778)

Told them what? Maybe that they should take their money elsewhere? Perhaps they were given the impression that there would not be ANY boys at the school and that is why they PAID their money in the first place. Ultimately it's the PARENTS' (who pay the money) decisions as to what happens to the school; seeing they are the ones PAYING the money.

To be frank, if my children's school had a governor (or councillor, depending on which newspaper you belive in) as ignorant as the one reported here, I would not want them going there at all.

Originally Posted by demented (Post 34749787)

Told them that taking all the different views into account that that was their decision. Just because the parents pay good money does not make a wrong based on religion or other reasons, right. The parents objecting have not put forward any cogent reasons as far as we know as to why the school should go along with their view. I don't have a problem with the decision necessarily going the way of the parents if there is a good discussion based on rationality and all sides agree. Saying I pay good money or my religion tells me to do something is not a proper reason.

Originally Posted by frogstamper (Post 34749885)

I wonder if the Express, Mail or Sun would report stories like these if the main protagonists were not Muslim? I think we know the answer to that.

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 34749942)

Well, leaving aside the fact that paying for something and expecting to receive it is a perfectly rational argument, I think your passage through life is going to be a fraught and difficult experience if you believe issues of lifestyle and morality can always be determined by 'rationality'. You're on a hiding to nothing with that.