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There are many calls for Israel to ceasefire but strangely no-one is calling for Hamas to cease firing rockets into Israel.

Surely this is a case for a UN peace-keeping force being put into Gaza to find the terrorists. In that way Israel will have no need to mount air attacks or mount a ground invasion.

In doing so, the UN force can provide independent information as to what is being done in the region and hopefully we can find the truth in all this.

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I think you'd find that people are calling on both sides to cease fire.

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And here's hoping these calls, from all sides, are successful - nobody wins if it keeps on going the way it is; let's hope the two-state solution is accepted and implemented.

Happy new year, everyone.

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Not likely from what I just heard on the latest update of the news on the TV.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7805558.stm

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Yep, I reckon they will now be in their harbour areas preparing. Its certainly the only way forward for Israel, apart from diplomacy of course. I think the only thing that will stop them is Obama. Possibly he may put a bit of pressure on. I certainly dont think the UN will have the slightest effect, no one else takes any notice nowadays, so why should Israel.

On a rather unrelated point, the new U.S. Predator (The Global hawk) has over 250 missions painted on its side, armed with AMRAAMS, it flies at 60,000 ft from Edwards Air force base to Iraq, & back. It can stay airborne for 2 days. Its sister (Photo Reckon) can gather Intel & direct weapons fire. The pilots sit in a cabin, at Edwards AFB, & change shifts.

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Quite impressive, but does it make a hot cup of tea and is the help centre based in india? ;)

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It will probably all go quiet again once Hamas has run out of rockets and sues for a ceasefire .... which will last until it gets more....

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Oh crumbs, can you imagine that?

Cdr. Chuck Rogers loses contact with his drone, cruising high in the skies over Helmand ...

Rogers: Aah, crap, pass me that phone (dials)
CSR: Good morning, my name is Brian, what's the problem with your predator today:
Rogers: I've lost contact. I think it may have crashed.
CSR: OK sir, now let's see if we can sort that out for you. Could you switch your terminal off at the wall, wait at least 30 seconds and then turn it back on again please?
Rogers: No, not that sort of crashed. Can we drop the script please?
CSR: I'm sorry sir, we have to perform these checks first. Did you see Eastenders last night? Cor blimey, those Londoners, eh?

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:D:D:D

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7807124.stm

Hamas leader killed

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Turkey and Syria have claimed that Israel is carrying out a holocaust in Gaza. Erdogan and Assad said it was "essential that Arab and Islamic countries intervene to force Israel to immediately halt this holocaust against an unarmed population,"

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...kZe6XubcneQs8g

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I can't say I'm sorry to hear of this guys demise, after urging his followers to commit suicide attacks on Israeli civilians, this cowards now paid the ultimate price.

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So If I read this right, Turkey & Syria want Arab & Islamic countries to go to war with Israel?

Is this actually news!:shocked:

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Turkey is a staunch supporter of America and Israel. But they are disgusted at the behaviour of the Israelis, so yes, this is news.

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That's not how I read it..I read it that they will be unifying in opposition.If Turkey wants to join Europe then they can't be declaring war on Israel or encouraging others to do so.

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Why not?
If Israel are commiting genocide surely it is up to everyone to oppose them

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But the americans, and UK see this as fighting the War on Terror not butchering innocents. So its unlikely they will want to get involved.

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You also have to wonder what Israel have to hide by continuing to prevent international reporters entering Gaza. Do they not want the world to see what they have done? In detail, as opposed to the limited footage that we do see?

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I think they're fully aware of the carnage that's being caused, but while they seem to consider the death toll to be regrettable-yet-acceptable, they know the rest of the world will not. I doubt they would express it in those terms though, I suspect they would claim that Hamas would not allow journos free reign in the territory either, but would attempt to control where and when filming could take place, thereby (if possible) painting an even bleaker picture of what's happening. There is of course also the risk of foreign nationals being killed by Israeli bombs, with all the diplomatic complications that would bring.

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The Hamas rockets have range up to 26 miles (and very inaccurate), if they could go 5-6 miles further then this will be a potential target.

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And who could have any doubt that if Hamas had the capability to hit Dimona, then they wouldn't hesitate.:nutter:

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Israeli propaganda plenty of porkies ;)

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Thousands of people have marched in London to protest at Israels atrocity in Gaza:

This was the view Gordon Brown was treated to outside Downing Street::D

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...009/01/132.jpg

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Pointless without a link or a source. Sigh!

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See how easy that was chaos23?

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Calm down............

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Sonny, I'm always calm...and it helps if you remember the basic netiquette of providing a link every time you have a news item to tell us...;)

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/mid...st/7809699.stm

and now artillery fire :(

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War criminals.

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The problem could be that terrorist acts and riots could spread to all over the Middle East if neighbouring countries aren't seen to do enough to support their 'Palestinian brothers'. :(

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The dirty Zionists have started their ground invasion. I hope Hamas give them a good kick in. This is the link to PRESS TV, who have correspondents in GAZA.

http://www.streamick.com/index.php?tv=presstv

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Will you please stop referring to Israelis as dirty Zionists or whichever derogatory term you feel inclined to spout? I don't care if you believe there is a Jewish conspiracy, It's offensive.

I hope Hamas get what they deserve, why is it acceptable for them to kill people? If anything they are just as bad as Israel if not more so because they kill without provocation.

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So what exactly is it Hamas deserves, they are democratically elected, through free and fair elections. They have been blockaded for 18months, what do you expect them to do. I hope Hezbollah open up another front and cause the Zionists real trouble.

Heres a question why is it acceptable to you for Israel to murder over 400 people 30% of which are women and children, in order to destroy a government they dont like?

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i don't suppose we could hope for a spontaneous outbreak of peace .

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Given a democratically-elected organisation whose very existence is founded on anti-semitism

(From wiki;-

Hamas founding charter
Article 7 of the Hamas Covenant states the following: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Muslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Muslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (the Cedar tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Muslem).
Article 22 claims that the French revolution, the Russian revolution, colonialism and both world wars were created by the Zionists. It also claims the Freemasons and Rotary clubs are Zionist fronts.
"You may speak as much as you want about regional and world wars. They were behind World War I, when they were able to destroy the Islamic Caliphate, making financial gains and controlling resources. They obtained the Balfour Declaration, formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains by trading in armaments, and paved the way for the establishment of their state. It was they who instigated the replacement of the League of Nations with the United Nations and the Security Council to enable them to rule the world through them. There is no war going on anywhere, without having their finger in it."[101]
Furthermore, Article 32 of the Covenant makes reference to The Protocols of the Elders of Zion:
"Today it is Palestine, tomorrow it will be one country or another. The Zionist plan is limitless. After Palestine, the Zionists aspire to expand from the Nile to the Euphrates. When they will have digested the region they overtook, they will aspire to further expansion, and so on. Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying.")

whose aim is the destruction of Israel and all Jews, and which has been firing missiles into Israel on a daily basis, what would YOU do? (AFAIK the Nazi party in Germany was also democratically elected. Does that mean we should not have opposed Hitler?)

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this from sky news
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Wor...tled_Territory

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The Zionist regime is been wiping Palestinians of the map for 60 years. Those missiles you talk about are being fired due to the Gaza being Blockaded for 18months. Do you really think they are going to sit back, whilst they run out of supplys? Israel have tried to strangle Hamas over the last 18months but it did not work.The Zionist regime is an evil one, we have seen this in the last 60 years, and more recently in the last 8 days, where they have murdered innocent women and children. After this latest atroicity by the murderous regime in Israel, do you think they are going to be Safer. This campaign has radicalised thousands of young muslims, the same radicalisation that contributed to the 911 attacks. I know that this is going to only get worse until the Zionists change their ways. You would have thought the last people to carry out a holocaust on a people would be the same people that suffered it in world war 2.

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West Bank blockaded for 18 months?

a) I think you mean the Gaza strip and b) 'those missiles' have been fired for somewhat longer than 18 months, so could that be the REASON for the blockade?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...rocket_attacks

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Because that government has been firing rockets into Israel, which could easily be considered a cause for war. Normally this would be dismissed as the actions of a terrorist group but in this case it is the elected government, so what else are Israel to do? Just ignore it? Let them firing rockets into their towns, killing their civilians and do nothing?

I don't agree with Israel's reaction, but Hamas are not an innocent party here. They intentionally provoked the actions of Israel as a way to gain international support (which they have achieved).

If a government is firing missiles into another country, what do you think should be the outcome?

The only victims here are the Palestinians and the Israeli civilians (yes, they are people too)

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Correction Gaza, typing too quickly and no, the reason for the rocket fire is because there has been a blockade

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Nope, The rockets have been going for a long time.

Anyway, I want a suggestion what Israel should do when an elected government are firing missiles into them?

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Do you really think Hamas were firing rockets to gain international attention? They are fighting a war against a regime that has been trying to strangle their people for 18 months. The Israeli people are not to blame for this, it is the Zionist regime that controls it.

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Stop stealing the Palestinian land, blockading gaza,depriving children of medication and food and talk with Hamas.

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Yes, they are doing it for international attention and to gain support in their own countries. Believe it or not there are also Palestinians who do not like Hamas and Hizbollah for not attempting a peaceful course of action (which is the only path that stands a chance of working) but every time a school is bombed the number of dissenters diminish. Something Israel should remember.

If Hamas were not doing this as a method to gain support then why do they place strategically important locations next to Hospitals, Schools, and other locations that contain very emotional cases? They either hope they won't be attacked, basically using these people as a human shield, or they are hit in which case they have propaganda material.

Also, acceptable counties at war target military targets and attempt to reduce innocent deaths. Hamas, like all terrorist groups, attempt to kill innocent people with their rocket fire into cities.

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They could start by looking at themselves and asking why hamas are doing what they are doing, or they can ignore that one and pour more petrol on the fire as they seem to be doing.
By the way, when the IRA tried to blow up downing street with a mortar bomb we didnt throw a blockade around ireland.
Our glorious government got into bed with the IRA and everything is now rosie.
Or maybe just leave them to fight it out?
One thing for sure both groups are not interested in peace so anyone looking for a solution forget it.

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Hamas do not want to talk, they want to destroy Israel. The previous 'government' were more willing to talk but now they are gone. The amount of times that peace talks take place and fall over because groups like Hamas decided to fire missles into Israel should prove why this will not happen.

By the way, after the recent ceasefire ended, it was Hamas who resorted to firing missiles into cities before Israel did anything.

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As opposed to former Generals deliberately sparking things off with inflamatory actions as a political move so they can end up as PM? The Israeli Military are just as disinterested about talking than the other side. The Israeli Military already has pretty much everything they want.

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Oh yes, the previous government was willing to talk, so why has there been no solution for 60 years?

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This is to all the supporters of Israel, dont forget, if Hezbollah decide to open up another front in this atrocity, this whole situation could spiral out of control, it could engulf the whole region, leaving huge consequences for us all.

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It would be far more appropriate to direct that comment at the entities supplying Hamas and Hezbollah with armaments. Whether or not source is Damascus or Tehran that's where the finger is ultimately going to be pointed which suits the CIA. If they're not being fired then there's no precident to escalate the conflict.

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The Rockets are home made, the Palestinians are making them. Thats why they are so crap. They cant get any weapons in to Gaza.

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They have a quantity of surplus BM21 artillery rockets which can be fired from the back of a truck, however: whatever is being fired the Israelis will use any excuse to use a sledgehammer to crack a nut and the CIA will use any shred of evidence to manipulate the situation as they see fit.

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I am not sure on the rockets being used by Hamas, but the Lebanon war a couple of years ago was fought partly using weapons from Syria/Iran. Hizbollah of course.

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You mean they don't kill enough Jews for your liking? Shame on you!

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Yes that correct. But Hamas use homemade rockets.

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I expect that calibre of comment from you.

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It's absolutely shocking. The US have a vast amount of influence over the Israelis just as the Tehran-Damascus alliance moderate and pull the strings of Hezbollah and Hamas so not only do we have outside influences manipulating these proxy instruments of conflict but there's a lot of historical bad blood which already exists that neither side can see past. All this is with ordinary Palestinian and Israeli people stuck in the middle being killed left, right and centre.

There were reports in the media (including the BBC unsurprisingly) that the Hamas attacks were a response to Israeli incursions which occured before the cease fire expired. Now this seems very suspicious with the upcoming elections. Was this due to the Israelis stirring up trouble knowing that Hamas would respond or is it perhaps the spectre of creative journalism? I guess we'll never know as very few sections of the media can be trusted.

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There were reports in the media (including the BBC unsurprisingly) that the Hamas attacks were a response to Israeli incursions which occured before the cease fire expired.

They probably borrowed that tactic from the US, the US has a history of provoking wars.

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A special message to my friends on this forum, on this sad situation in Israel, and Gaza, please discuss this matter in a friendly manner and NOT bring into it race, religion or sarcastic comments, to each other, we don't need it, it is bad enough as it is, now we have problems on the streets of London, this problem has to be sorted out by diplomatic means, and not banging our heads together, and it has just been announced by Banker Moons of the UN, to have an immediate ceasefire.

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As far as I can see Arthur there is only one poster who seems intent on turning this thread into some kind of holy war:shrug:
Continually using inflammatory language and hoping for another terrorist group to join the fray, pointless trying to debate with such extreme views.

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I'm wondering about the timing of this situation.Why now?Why not 6 months ago.Why now?Possibly a new broom sweeping into the White House?Israeli elections?

It seems to me something has made someone desperate than usual..

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No doubt it's a combination of both, I suspect they feel Obama will be less keen on supporting such a drastic and unwarranted reaction and want wipe out as much as Hamas and it's infrastructure as possible while President Bush is still in the White House.

It's also a reaction to a surge of rocket attacks from Hamas after a ceasefire expired.

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I take it you are talking about me. Would you rather i use the Term JEWS or Zionists? I will use JEWS if you want but it defames the Jewish people.Zionists is the correct term to use as the agressors are not the Jewish people but the Zionists in control of the government. Wake up and smell the coffee, Israel is the agressor and most people are waking up to this fact.

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I think it would be nice if, as has been requested above, everybody could resist the urge to inflame the discussion here in the same way that the situation in Gaza has been inflamed.

This is an emotive subject, it would be nice if people could have a little bit of repsect for the feelings of others whilst they were voicing their own opinions.

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I would also like to point out that the correct term to use to refer to the people of Israel is Israelis...

Jews would be inappropriate because Israelis are of many faiths including Christian and Muslim as well as Jewish.

So let's leave the term Zionist out of the discussion entirely...

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The Hamas web page is routed via an Israeli backbone, or am I wrong? very strange....

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Maggie is quite correct. Not all Israelis are Jews and, as missiles do not discriminate on grounds of religion, my earlier comment should have referred to 'Israelis' rather than 'Jews'. My apologies for that.

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Telegraph 3rd January 2009
"The group had taken advantage of the ceasefire to smuggle weapons into Gaza through an enormous network of underground tunnels along the border with Egypt.
Their arms include Chinese and Iranian missiles with a range of more than 25 miles.
Smugglers brought them through piece-by-piece before concealing them in secure hide-outs."

TVNZ 14th November 2008
"Hamas fired Grad rockets at Israel on Friday, the longest range missile they have ever claimed to shoot at the Jewish state, a statement from the armed wing of the Islamist group said.

Israeli rescue services said five rockets struck the southern coastal city of Ashkelon but caused no casualties, as gunmen escalated rocket attacks in response to Israeli strikes that have killed 10 militants since Novomber 4.

A Hamas statement said its fighters had shot five 1960s-era Soviet-made Grad rockets at an Israeli town."

Globalsecurity gives a fuller explanation.

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Unfortunately, any such 'facts' are likely to have been planted by pro-Zionist conspirators. ;)

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Jewish control of the British Media:

http://newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/...ish-media.html

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Shocking though this is, it's even more shocking that the Palestinians have not done the one thing that would have prevented it all in the first place i.e. stopped the Militants from firing rockets into Israel.

Imagine what would happen if a group of militants set up a base in say, Manchester and began launching missiles at cities in neighbouring countries.

The British Government would be expected to stop the militants immediately and in the absence of any effective action the governments of the countries affected would then take action to deal with them.

It's possible that in the course of that action innocent British lives would be lost and British property destroyed.

If the Palestinian government could not deal with the Militants why did they not request aid from the UN? Why did countries objecting to the air strikes not offer to put their troops on the ground to stop the militants?

All of this was preventable. Why then was it that effective preventative action was not taken?

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Maybe Israel should have dropped the blockade of Gaza and let in badly needed medicine and food.

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Well reasoned response - when in doubt, play the conspiracy card.

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What's the nationality of the author Dina Kraft? Is there anything non-jewish published by Dina?

What evidence does Dina give of the smuggled rockets? Ziltso!

Dina is the mounthpiece of IDF....Dina has been for years. The NY times had to apologize once or twice for Dina's porkies....

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I don't see how spending money on making missiles helps resolve that situation.

Every time Hamas adopts a military solution to solve its differences with Israel, it just reinforces the Israeli view that Palestininians mean them harm, which is why the Israelis tend to respond in kind but to a much greater degree.

The protests around the world have alerted governments to the public desire to resolve this problem. The Palestinians have the attention of the world.

Why do they need to keep firing missiles? Why not use the UN or sympathetic countries to obtain humanitarian aid?

Continuing to fire missiles distracts from the need to address the crisis and focuses on the military conflict.

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The UN are powerless as we can see. The Arab league are in cahoots with the Americans. The only way this will be solved is if Israel is threatend by another powerful country. I will repeat it agin for you - The reason Hamas is firing rockets is due to Gaza being slowly strangled by the Israelis, they are stopping all supplys from getting in, do you think they are going to sit back and let the Gazanz starve.

Continuing to fire missiles distracts from the need to address the crisis and focuses on the military conflict.

Maybe you should suggest that to your Israeli friends currently using chemical weapons in Gaza.


https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...009/01/129.jpg

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Interesting that your solution is a military one.

Sadly, I doubt whether the people in Gaza will have a chance to starve. It seems more likely that many innocent, non-militant people will die from the air strikes and from the Israeli invasion.

One way or another the rocket firing into Israel will be stopped.

To keep firing rockets into Israel merely prolongs the Israeli military response and kills more Palestinians.

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Interesting to see you convieniently ignore that Israel is using Chemical Weapons in Gaza. You must be deluded if you think this action is going to stop rockets being fired into Israel. I suspect the rockets will increase, i doubt they will be coming from Gaza though.

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And the other two links in that post?

Oh, and these (amongst many others)?
Detroit Free Press
Guardian
BBC

And obviously, this source is extremely biased - a Chinese newspaper quoting a Hamas source ChinaPost December 30th 2008
"Early Tuesday, Hamas released a statement saying its squads had fired 43 homemade rockets, 17 longer-range Grads and six mortar shells at Israel. Other militant groups also fired rockets at Israel. "

PressTV
"The resistance fighters have fired at least 40 Qassam and Grad rockets into southern Israel as the military intensifies the ground incursion into the costal sliver"

And Reuters November 14th 2008
"A Hamas statement said its fighters had shot five 1960s-era Soviet-made Grad rockets at an Israeli town"

I suppose Hamas could be lying about the rockets they are using.......

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As usual - source please?

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chaos, can you back up the "chemical weapons" statement, besides this photo from sott.net?

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The use of WP (as in the photo) is contentious. It can merely be used to mark a ground target for artillery or as an incendiary weapon. Given the size of that particular device I'd say it is merely a marker.

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I'm not ignoring your comments about chemical weapon usage in Gaza. I simply just don't have any independently verified evidence that they are being used. I'm fairly sure that's true for anybody living outside the Middle East.

Lots of things happen in the Middle East that the rest of the world is unaware of.

I'm just one of the millions of people round the world who want the killing of Palestinians and Israelis to stop.

From the TV reports I can see the conditions of hardship that the Palestinians are living under.The lack of basic amenities like electricity, running water, food, medicine, housing etc all contribute to put an unbearable burden on the people living there.I can only imagine how hard daily life is and how worrying & stressful the situation must be.

But the firing of missiles does not improve matters. It simply makes them worse.

As things stand, the bitterness between Palestinians & Israelis is such that they will be locked into a lifelong struggle with generations of future children on both sides being committed to the war effort. Money and resources which could be used to rebuild life in Gaza will be wasted on weapons.

Someone, somewhere has to have a vision of peace and be brave enough to say that enough is enough ; that war is not the best way to resolve differences, but sadly I think a lot of people are going to die unneccessarily before that happens.

Let's hope a mutually peaceful solution comes sooner rather than later.

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I looked at your globalsecurity link but I lost focus, I started shopping there, they have some lovely items, like this or how could I live without a Credit Card Companion but I was disapointed , as I could not pass the security test.

Seriously, your refs are fine ( The Grauniad link is wrong).

There is no evidence that Hamas smuggled rockets using tunnels, but plenty of speculation. If they did, why didn't they get better ones so they could nuke Dimona? The Egyptians must have better rockets than Grad Katyushas...

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Israel have used Chemical weapons against Hezbollah in 2006, so they dont mind using this stuff. There is no link as yet, this was a repot on PRESS TV. But, they have found traces of depleted Uranium in some Gazan residents who have been injured by the ammunition.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020202

It sure looks like Phosporus - dont you think?

White phosphorus is an indiscriminate killer that ignites once it is exposed to oxygen, producing such heat that it bursts into a yellow flame and produces a dense white smoke.

It causes painful burn injuries to exposed human flesh, as discovered by Lebanon's Children at the hands of Israeli Phosphorus Bombs in 2006.

White Phosphorus is considered a chemical weapon by most governments around the world. Its use in civilian areas is banned by the Geneva Treaty of 1980. The United Nations considers such weapons illegal.

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United Nations
" 8 November 2006 – The United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) has found no evidence that Israel used munitions with depleted uranium (DU) during its conflict with Hizbollah",

If WP is being used against civilians (deliberately, and not as stated by Uncle above, as target-spotting aids), it is unequivocably wrong.

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From your link
"According to sources, Israel is using the chemical weapons to make more killings and people of Gaza strip are falling prey to mysterious maladies in Gaza strip."

OK, that convinced me.

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Unfortunatley, short of Israel confiming the use of Chemical weapons, you will not concede. Why is this? Because you are firmly on the side of the Israelis. At times like this, people like you crawl out of the woodwork, in order to promote the propaganda the Israeli gov produces.

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Although I am not as clued up as most here about this I do know that your comment there is more a personal attack on foreverwar than debating the subject at hand.

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Its not a personal attack on him, its an attack on his views.

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What type of chemical weapons are the Israelis using then?

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Views that you are assuming foreverwar hold's and therfore imo its an attack on him. Not trying to stir up trouble here am just stating what I am seeing from some of the comments in this thread.

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Just an observation, but the pictures of the use of WP all seem to be air bursts, which would suggest its use as a smoke screen, rather than directly anti-personnel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_phosphorus

The emotive phrase 'chemical weapon' is a difficult one - strictly speaking gunpowder/cordite/tnt/napalm are all 'chemical weapons', but not in the way nerve gases, etc are, in that they rely on explosive or incendiary effects, rather than toxicity.

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Enough already - everybody.

Let's try to keep this nice and friendly shall we? It would be extremely helpful (and less likely to attract negative arttention) if people were to debate/discuss the topic at hand and not start levelling personal accusations against each other whatever the reason.

Debating/discussing someone's views/opinions is fine, 'attacking' them is synonymous with attacking the person themselves and won't be tolerated.

We've asked nicely for people to be a little bit more respectful of each other, and more mindful of the sensitive nature of the topic being discussed, the very next person to forget that request will find themselves firmly in my bad books ;)

Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
 

this makes interesting reading

http://www.vtjp.org/report/Israels_New_Weapons.php

Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
 

The story you linked to has nothing to do with the picture Chaos posted, people reporting misterious illness has nothing to do with the use of WP.

JJ

Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
 

If we're going in for unsubstantiated rumours:-

http://www.mererhetoric.com/archives/11272252.html

Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
 

Dear o dear...............

Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
 

Link

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Can I re-iterate what I have stated in this post before - I am not pro-Israeli, I am pro even-handedness. If someone posted an unsubstantiated link to a story about Palestinians eating babies, I would comment equally on that.

This post is not an attack on anyone, just commenting on posts with no links, single views bordering on obsessions, and assumptions that any viewpoint different from their own must be wrong and part of a Zionist conspiracy (imho).

btw, still awaiting substantiation of your claim that the Israelis are using Chemical Weapons.

Re: Scores die in Israeli air strikes
 

The propaganda surrounding this conflict is no help at all. We have people on both sides lying for their causes. The problem is compounded when small minded people believe this crap & start waving the flag.

Forget the past. Look at whats happening now. If Israel wanted to kill Civillians, they would never send in ground troops. The troops would stay safe while air power reduces the place to rubble. The fact that they have now started a ground offensive is to root out the people who are terrorising Civillians in Israel. They have already stated that their mission is, to stop Hamas firing rockets into their land.

They are doing exactly what any country would do.

Some people are posting totally unsubstantiated, unrelated rubbish to try & bolster their arguments. Lets keep to the facts relating to this conflict eh.