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arcamalpha2004 28-01-2009 13:43
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuart C (Post 34723549)
From the article


The article totally misses the glaring difference between spotting someone speeding and spotting someone smoking. As, apparently, have you.

It also misses the subtle point that detection is part of enforcement (you can instigate all the bans you want, but if you have no means of detecting if they are being broken, they will be ineffective).

Put simply, it is usually obvious when someone is speeding. You can see it. Even where it is not obvious (someone doing 60 in a 30 limit would be obvious, someone doing 35 in a 30 limit may not), there are various devices, such as radar guns, that can detect it.

How would you tell if someone is smoking? As long as they aren't smoking something dodgy (which is already illegal) and driving dangerously, There will be little or no external signal that they are smoking. Ok, there may be some smoke coming from an open window, but what if they don't have windows open? What if they are just relying on the car's vents to remove the smoke (in which case, the cigarette smoke will just merge with all the gases coming out of the car already so will not be visible)?

In extreme circumstances, there will be smoke visible in the passenger cabin, but this will only occur if the driver has been smoking a long time, is easy to get rid of (just open the vents and waft it toward them) and may not be easily visible on a CCTV camera (which, let's face it, is where the police seem to do most of their traffic enforcement).

To make it easier, I'll rephrase the question. How would the police detect people smoking? Bear in mind that detection should be quick (to avoid unnecessary delays on busy roads), so the police may not be allowed to set up checkpoints where they can stop drivers and check them manually.


"It doesn't matter if the car is moving or stationary, nor does it make a difference if a car's windows are up or down, said Const. Kevin O'Neil of Leamington police."



What does that say?

You could have a situation where the car is pulled over at a service station? or layby?

rogerdraig 28-01-2009 16:09
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
hmm why would detection rate decide if it is effective speed enforcement is most likely the least detected per occurrence of any law but even i wouldnt say that should mean not having some sort of speed laws in place

i doubt very much if police would miss other offences because of this one being on the books it would just be another one they can use if caught

the main idea behind this would be to get over that its not a good thing to do

Stuart 28-01-2009 16:47
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by arcamalpha2004 (Post 34723564)
"It doesn't matter if the car is moving or stationary, nor does it make a difference if a car's windows are up or down, said Const. Kevin O'Neil of Leamington police."



What does that say?
It says (to me) that they have no clue how they are going to enforce it, but are just saying they will.

Quote:
Originally Posted by rogermevans (Post 34723650)
hmm why would detection rate decide if it is effective speed enforcement is most likely the least detected per occurrence of any law but even i wouldnt say that should mean not having some sort of speed laws in place

i doubt very much if police would miss other offences because of this one being on the books it would just be another one they can use if caught

the main idea behind this would be to get over that its not a good thing to do
People already know that it's not a good thing to do. Implementing another ban is not going to change that. I am saying that this proposed ban would be just another in a long line of difficult or impossible to enforce bans that this government has put in place.

arcamalpha2004 29-01-2009 11:56
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
How would it be impossible to enforce if the resources are put into it?

Unlike the mobile phone ban which is being blatantly ignored, I have lost count of the number of drivers attempting to take a roundabout with one hand on the steering wheel.

The key to any success they may have in america is the fact that the car does not have to be moving, nor does it matter if the windows are down.

The whole thing is though, I dont need anyone to tell me its not a good idea to smoke in a car full of kids, my common sense tells me.

We still have the selfish minority who think otherwise, as with the mobile phone ban.

TheNorm 03-03-2011 19:22
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
This is in the news again:

Quote:
More than 15,000 people have signed a petition asking the government to make smoking in cars when children are passengers illegal.
Research by the British Lung Foundation found 86% of children across the UK want people to stop smoking when there are kids in the car.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/ne...00/9412454.stm

martyh 03-03-2011 19:30
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
pointless ,and mostly unenforceable .If parents are going to smoke in a car with children then they will be smoking at home which will expose the children to more smoke as they more time at home than in a car

Gary L 03-03-2011 20:08
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
This was on my local news with the kids going to give the petition in.

some of them don't really know what the petition is for. they're just repeating what they've been told kind of thing. a lot of them will probably be smokers in a few years.
some even said it should be banned in homes with children in.

I'm starting a counter petition. get out the car and bloody walk, you lazy kids.

Chris 03-03-2011 20:10
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35186173)
This was on my local news with the kids going to give the petition in.

some of them don't realy know what the petition is for. they're just repeating what they've been told kind of thing. a lot of them will probably be smokers in a few years.
some even said it should be banned in homes with children in.

I'm starting a counter petition. get out the car and bloody walk, you lazy kids.
Nice to see you treating the subject with the seriousnes it deserves Gary. Not.

Gary L 03-03-2011 20:17
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35186176)
Nice to see you treating the subject with the seriousnes it deserves Gary. Not.
Which part?

I don't agree with it. if these kids genuinely do want smoking banned in cars, and possibly homes. and they can assure me that they won't start smoking in a couple of years anyway. and they promise to try and walk a bit more often because it's good for your health.

then I still wouldn't agree with it.

TheNorm 03-03-2011 20:20
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35186151)
....If parents are going to smoke in a car with children then they will be smoking at home which will expose the children to more smoke as they more time at home than in a car
Good point. Should that also be banned?

Gary L 03-03-2011 20:21
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35186181)
Good point. Should that also be banned?
Probably. but they'll need CCTV in the homes. or they'll have to rely on the kids grassing up their own parents.

martyh 03-03-2011 20:34
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35186181)
Good point. Should that also be banned?
definitely not ,It is up to parents to control themselves we don't want any more unenforceable legislation on our law books the gov have done all they are expected to do now it's up to the general public to make their own choices

TheNorm 03-03-2011 20:41
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35186183)
... but they'll need CCTV in the homes.....
Well, parents can't give their childen heroin at home, and no one seems to think CCTV is needed to enforce that law.

Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35186195)
definitely not ,It is up to parents to control themselves we don't want any more unenforceable legislation on our law books the gov have done all they are expected to do now it's up to the general public to make their own choices
Isn't smoking in front of children a form of child abuse?

martyh 03-03-2011 20:59
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35186202)
Well, parents can't give their childen heroin at home, and no one seems to think CCTV is needed to enforce that law.



Isn't smoking in front of children a form of child abuse?

so is giving them too much sugar ,salt,fatty foods ,fast food ,not making them get fit and buying the wrong trainers .My point being that making useless legislation to cover something that the parents should be doing is a waste of time ,and lets face it attitudes have changed a lot over the last 10 yrs or so and parents are a lot more responsible .

TheNorm 03-03-2011 21:09
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35186222)
so is giving them .. .
I know what you mean - where do you draw the line?

But, back to topic - what about smoking in cars where children are passengers?

vanman 03-03-2011 21:20
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35186242)
I know what you mean - where do you draw the line?

But, back to topic - what about smoking in cars where children are passengers?
its down to the parents is it not.
it's only been about 5 years that smoking has been tabo
will you keep all the windows shut because of the car fumes

Gary L 03-03-2011 21:22
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35186242)
But, back to topic - what about smoking in cars where children are passengers?
As long as there are no fines issued, then yes. ban it. if someone gets caught then take their car and licence off them.

if fines are part of the deal then no.

just ban smoking anywhere and everywhere. it's bad for everyone. people are dying from it. it costs the country money to treat smokers.
we need to go this far because we can't keep adding extensions to the current 'no smoke' laws.

if it's so bad then go the whole way. ban it completely! :)

vanman 03-03-2011 21:25
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35186263)
As long as there are no fines issued, then yes. ban it. if someone gets caught then take their car and licence off them.

if fines are part of the deal then no.

just ban smoking anywhere and everywhere. it's bad for everyone. people are dying from it. it costs the country money to treat smokers.
we need to go this far because we can't keep adding extensions to the current 'no smoke' laws.

if it's so bad then go the whole way. ban it completely! :)
ban cars more people dying in car accidents than smoking

martyh 03-03-2011 21:27
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35186242)
I know what you mean - where do you draw the line?

But, back to topic - what about smoking in cars where children are passengers?
Still no ,it's too much interference from the government and just reinforces the nanny state

Gary L 03-03-2011 21:29
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35186268)
ban cars more people dying in car accidents than smoking
And they are one of the major factors of why this planet is dying.
they can do it. they just don't think it's as serious enough as smoking.

martyh 03-03-2011 21:32
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35186263)
As long as there are no fines issued, then yes. ban it. if someone gets caught then take their car and licence off them.

if fines are part of the deal then no.

just ban smoking anywhere and everywhere. it's bad for everyone. people are dying from it. it costs the country money to treat smokers.
we need to go this far because we can't keep adding extensions to the current 'no smoke' laws.

if it's so bad then go the whole way. ban it completely! :)
That's right if it is that bad (which i think most people will agree)then the gov should ban it ,like they do with drugs ,and while they're at it they should ban alchohol because that is just as responsible for bad health as smoking ,but that is just too much erosion of free will imo

Hugh 03-03-2011 21:34
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35186268)
ban cars more people dying in car accidents than smoking
UK Road Accidents 2009 - 2222 deaths, of which 1059 were car users.
UK Smoking Deaths 2009 - 81,400 deaths of over-35s were attributable to smoking.

Gary L 03-03-2011 21:39
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35186280)
UK Smoking Deaths 2009 - 81,400 deaths of over-35s were attributable to smoking.
They seriously need to outlaw tobacco. how can a government ignore these figures?
it's not as if they benefit from the sale of tobacco. just like they don't with booze. and look at how many people that affects.

why ban drugs, but not tobacco and booze?
don't they get a cut of drug money or something?

vanman 03-03-2011 21:44
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35186280)
UK Road Accidents 2009 - 2222 deaths, of which 1059 were car users.
UK Smoking Deaths 2009 - 81,400 deaths of over-35s were attributable to smoking.
the diffence is attributable which means they dont know but got to blame something for the deaths

idi banashapan 03-03-2011 21:50
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35186268)
ban cars more people dying in car accidents than smoking
ha ha haa!! seriously??? lol!!! awesome quote of the day!!!

---------- Post added at 20:50 ---------- Previous post was at 20:44 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35186291)
the diffence is attributable which means they dont know but got to blame something for the deaths
or you could look at it the other way whereby how many people die of illness and disease directly caused by the fact they smoke. my other half has been a nurse for some years and is the smoking specialist where she is. she sees it all first hand. smoking is not good!!!

vanman 03-03-2011 21:56
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35186292)
smoking is not good!!!
i agree.but if i want to smoke i will :smokin:
if you want a drink you can.:beer:

idi banashapan 03-03-2011 21:57
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35186315)
i agree.but if i want to smoke i will :smokin:
if you want a drink you can.:beer:
i never said you couldn't. I just said it was very bad for you and get to hear the evidence on pretty much a daily basis!

Gary L 03-03-2011 22:00
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
and if people don't want to pay my smoking tax. then stop moaning about me paying it :D

vanman 03-03-2011 22:06
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35186323)
and if people don't want to pay my smoking tax. then stop moaning about me paying it :D
you right gary the gov can't afford to ban smoking

Gary L 03-03-2011 22:20
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35186330)
you right gary the gov can't afford to ban smoking
No, they can just do little things to make it look like they're doing something about the big cause of death and expense. and then try and make these little things enforceable with a fine which makes them money on top of the money they already make from it.

it wouldn't be too bad if they were to share the fine money out to the non smokers as a way of compensense.

Chrysalis 03-03-2011 22:21
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
smoking isnt banned because of taxes gained from it.

logically it should be banned since other drugs at same levels of risk are banned.

the reason people oppose smokers is it affects people around them.

vanman 03-03-2011 22:24
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35186346)

the reason people oppose smokers is it affects people around them.
well keep out of my car then :D

Chris 03-03-2011 22:26
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
It is not banned because it is not yet politically possible do it. If tax revenues were the reason, then governments of all shades would not have been actively seeking to make it more and more difficult to smoke for the last 30 years or more.

The number of smokers in the UK is far too large for them all to be criminalized overnight. However make no mistake, we're moving towards a situation where it is very, very tightly regulated. I can't yet for see when it might be banned outright, but 10 years ago who could have forseen it being banned in all enclosed public spaces, including pubs?

Chris 03-03-2011 22:30
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35186357)
and then what shall we start on drinking
Why, that's very kind of you. Mine's a whisky. :D

EDIT

Aww, you deleted your post. I'll have to get my own now. :p:

Gary L 03-03-2011 22:35
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35186350)
It is not banned because it is not yet politically possible do it. If tax revenues were the reason, then governments of all shades would not have been actively seeking to make it more and more difficult to smoke for the last 30 years or more.
But I'm sure they sit down and discuss it. and probably come up with a smoker will smoke no matter what. just like a motorist pays the price of petrol no matter what. and there will always be new smokers to take the place of the quitters.

Quote:
The number of smokers in the UK is far too large for them all to be criminalized overnight. However make no mistake, we're moving towards a situation where it is very, very tightly regulated. I can't yet for see when it might be banned outright, but 10 years ago who could have forseen it being banned in all enclosed public spaces, including pubs?
by the time it does come to where it may have been banned. peoples attitudes towards a dictatorship government would be stronger anyway. and they wouldn't allow it.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35186360)
Why, that's very kind of you. Mine's a whisky. :D
And an orange juice for me, please.

vanman 03-03-2011 22:36
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
the more you tell people they can't do that .
and you can't do this.
the more they do it

Maggy 03-03-2011 22:36
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Alcohol next followed by coffee and tea.All drugs,all addictive and bad for us.

Finally chocolate and sugar as well as sugar type derivatives as being addictive and bad for us.
Then red meat etc..

It would be more to the point if everyone got back to minding their own business and look after themselves and stop worrying what others are up to.What we need is a little less interference from the state.

Hugh 03-03-2011 22:37
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35186371)
the more you tell people they can't do that .
and you can't do this.
the more they do it
Evolution in action....

vanman 03-03-2011 22:39
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35186373)
Alcohol next followed by coffee and tea.All drugs,all addictive and bad for us.

Finally chocolate and sugar as well as sugar type derivatives as being addictive and bad for us.
Then red meat etc..

It would be more to the point if everyone got back to minding their own business and look after themselves and stop worrying what others are up to.What we need is a little less interference from the state.
:gpoint::clap:

Lew 03-03-2011 23:00
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35186373)
Alcohol next followed by coffee and tea.All drugs,all addictive and bad for us.

Finally chocolate and sugar as well as sugar type derivatives as being addictive and bad for us.
Then red meat etc..

It would be more to the point if everyone got back to minding their own business and look after themselves and stop worrying what others are up to.What we need is a little less interference from the state.
Quote:
Ah, smoking is not good for you, and it's been deemed that anything not good for you is bad; hence, illegal. Alcohol, caffeine, contact sports, meat…

<snip>

…bad language, chocolate, gasoline, uneducational toys and anything spicy. Abortion is also illegal, but then again so is pregnancy if you don't have a licence.

Hugh 03-03-2011 23:03
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Thank you, Lewnina Huxley.....

Chris 03-03-2011 23:04
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
What for ... Wearing very tight pants? :D

Hugh 03-03-2011 23:06
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
She was wearing pants?

Gary L 03-03-2011 23:07
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35186420)
Thank you, Lewnina Huxley.....
Lenina.

Hugh 03-03-2011 23:08
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35186428)
Lenina.
It was posted by Lew, quoting Lenina, so I conflated the names.



(it's not funny if you have to explain it......:()

Chris 03-03-2011 23:16
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35186429)
It was posted by Lew, quoting Lenina, so I conflated the names.



(it's not funny if you have to explain it......:()
There, there. Here's a picture to cheer you up.
http://www.moviemarket.com/library/p...322/322926.jpg

:D

Lew 03-03-2011 23:18
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Lovely Lenina… :kiss:

Gary L 03-03-2011 23:20
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Yeh, she's not bad?

Caff 03-03-2011 23:22
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Back to OP:

Driver smoking with driver window down 2-3 inches no problems.
Driver with all windown shut - not fair on captive audience.

Jimmy-J 04-03-2011 03:40
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
I remember some years ago, when I was a smoker, our ten year old son suddenly annoucing to everyone at home, that he smoked. I jumped up from the dinner table after almost choking on my Yorkshire pud, and started ranting on at him about the dangers and continued, in shock, to hail verbal abuse across the table at him. It was only when I sat back down, he said with a quivering soft voice, "I'm sorry dad, (gulp!) but I only smoke when you and others around me smoke." Well, I can honestly say two minutes later that one little heart-breaking sentence had me choking on a Capstan full stengh ciggy out in the back garden.

That's a true story, well, apart from the Capstan... It was actually a B&H. :D

I gave up not long after that.

I also remember whilst driving, I threw a lit cig out of the window but it blew back into the car and fell down between my legs! It's a good job there was no oncoming traffic or there would have been a right pile up.

I was too concerned with what that red hot cindering dimp was about to do to my nether regions more than anything else in the world.

I often think back to them days and just how dangerous this wicked habbit can be. For those who want to give it up, just ask yourself who's in control here? You, or the deadly weed? You can beat it. :smokin:

Chrysalis 04-03-2011 06:14
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
I can see the point about alcohol maggy made, but its no comparison.

The uk probably has 10s of millions of nicotine addicts, we dont have anywhere near that many alcoholics. The affect on other people is also in a different league, we get things like drink driving causing deaths, but it doesnt scale up to the affect passive smoking has. eg. my eyes are now sensitive to smoke, I cannot even be in the same room as someone who smokes now, because of this I limit visiting people who smoke and they have to change their habits when they around me, they dont like it of course.

I think the end game is smoking will be banned at some point, but they phasing it in slowly. For political and tax reasons it will be done gradually. For what its worth I think fatty foods will be targeted at some point (maybe not soon but I suspect by year 2050) will be as we get stories too often now going on about obesety and its strain in the nhs etc.

TheNorm 04-03-2011 07:55
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35186373)
Alcohol next followed by coffee and tea.All drugs,all addictive and bad for us.

Finally chocolate and sugar as well as sugar type derivatives as being addictive and bad for us.
Then red meat etc..

It would be more to the point if everyone got back to minding their own business and look after themselves and stop worrying what others are up to.What we need is a little less interference from the state.
I thought the whole point of this thread was that children are unable to look after themselves, so should be protected from irresponsible adults.

Jimmy-J 04-03-2011 18:41
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35186524)
I thought the whole point of this thread was that children are unable to look after themselves, so should be protected from irresponsible adults.
Agreed. :clap:

Hugh 04-03-2011 18:45
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
QFT.....:clap:

vanman 04-03-2011 20:17
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheNorm (Post 35186524)
I thought the whole point of this thread was that children are unable to look after themselves, so should be protected from irresponsible adults.
just a thought norm do/did your parents smoke.
mine did my dad also had and asbestos roof on his garage and painted the fence with lead paint .

Caff 04-03-2011 20:23
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35187004)
just a thought norm do/did your parents smoke.
Good point - I do - and tried to hide it away from them. I know my boys do/have a little - I'm not proud.
I'd rather they understood the reason behind it and learn a lesson.

vanman 04-03-2011 20:31
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Caff (Post 35187016)
Good point - I do - and tried to hide it away from them. I know my boys do/have a little - I'm not proud.
I'd rather they understood the reason behind it and learn a lesson.
got two boys at home one 18 he smokes the other one is 16 he hates it.
he's always moaning at me to stop smoking. been smoking from the age of 9 year old .
54 now it's a hard habit to get out of for me anyway

idi banashapan 04-03-2011 20:47
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35187027)
got two boys at home one 18 he smokes the other one is 16 he hates it.
he's always moaning at me to stop smoking. been smoking from the age of 9 year old .
54 now it's a hard habit to get out of for me anyway
even for the sake of your own children? the same ones I'm sure you'd say you would take a bullet for? but you won't (not can't - we all know you can) stop smoking for their health?

Hugh 04-03-2011 20:49
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35187004)
just a thought norm do/did your parents smoke.
mine did my dad also had and asbestos roof on his garage and painted the fence with lead paint .
Yep, my parents were heavy smokers.

My dad suffered multiple strokes, and my mum had bronchitis and emphysema, which killed her before she was 70.

Stuart 05-03-2011 14:36
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35186373)
Alcohol next followed by coffee and tea.All drugs,all addictive and bad for us.

Finally chocolate and sugar as well as sugar type derivatives as being addictive and bad for us.
Then red meat etc..

It would be more to the point if everyone got back to minding their own business and look after themselves and stop worrying what others are up to.What we need is a little less interference from the state.
Agreed.

Jimmy-J 05-03-2011 17:18
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35187047)
Yep, my parents were heavy smokers.

My dad suffered multiple strokes, and my mum had bronchitis and emphysema, which killed her before she was 70.
Both my parents smoked too, they both died within 3 months of each other. My dad had a few heart attacks, the last one killed him, (29th Nov 93'). Then my mam was diagnosed with colon cancer, that eventually spread to her liver. she died at home, (14th Feb 94'). They were both in their very early 60's.

vanman 05-03-2011 17:33
Re: Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?
 
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Originally Posted by Product 13 (Post 35187542)
Both my parents smoked too, they both died within 3 months of each other. My dad had a few heart attacks, the last one killed him, (29th Nov 93'). Then my mam was diagnosed with colon cancer, that eventually spread to her liver. she died at home, (14th Feb 94'). They were both in their very early 60's.
sorry but are you sure it was because they smoked .
as they were born in the 30/s they went though a lot of toxins.
D.d.t /ASBESTOS/ LEAD WATER PIPES /LEAD PAINT / SMOG/ to name a few

Hugh 05-03-2011 17:40
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All those don't cause bronchitis, emphysema, and strokes.

They cause asbestosis, lung cancer, pleural and peritoneal mesothelioma (asbestos), nervous system and kidney damage (Lead pipes/paint), and foetal neurotoxicity (DDT).

vanman 05-03-2011 17:46
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my sister has emphysema she is on an oxygen tube up her nose 24/7
she don't smoke and never has.nor does her husband
and strokes
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Smoking, being overweight, lack of exercise and a poor diet are also risk factors for stroke. Also, conditions that affect the circulation of the blood, such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol, atrial fibrillation (an irregular heartbeat) and diabetes, increase your risk of having a stroke.
from here
http://www.nhs.uk/Conditions/Stroke/...roduction.aspx

Hugh 05-03-2011 18:24
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My dad was a manual worker (so very fit), and not overweight.......

idi banashapan 05-03-2011 18:34
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we seem to be heading away from topic - this seems to be getting closer to a contest of who had what and how they got it!

Hugh 05-03-2011 18:35
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I think that may be because some people think denial is a river in Egypt.....:D

Jimmy-J 05-03-2011 18:56
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"Should smoking in cars carrying children be banned?"

Yes it should be banned. I gave my reasons for this in post #250.

vanman 05-03-2011 19:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35187607)
I think that may be because some people think denial is a river in Egypt.....:D
not in denial hugh i know smoking CAN cause a lot of illness i am fully aware of that .
but on the other hand i could stop today cross the road and get hit by a bus.
my choice .
do i really need to cross the road.

Hugh 05-03-2011 19:17
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But you don't cross the road with your eyes shut to danger (hopefully)....

vanman 05-03-2011 19:21
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the government already complaining that we live to long and can not afford to look after the elderly

Chris 05-03-2011 19:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35187634)
not in denial hugh i know smoking CAN cause a lot of illness i am fully aware of that .
but on the other hand i could stop today cross the road and get hit by a bus.
my choice .
do i really need to cross the road.
I think we get the point that you are happy to take risks with your own health. But the subject of this thread is children. Are you happy to take a gamble on their health as well, or do you refrain from smoking around them?

vanman 05-03-2011 19:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35187643)
I think we get the point that you are happy to take risks with your own health. But the subject of this thread is children. Are you happy to take a gamble on their health as well, or do you refrain from smoking around them?
well i think as i said in post #216
it up to the parents.

Hugh 05-03-2011 19:33
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That's other parents - what about you?

Chris 05-03-2011 19:35
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Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35187649)
well i think as i said in post #216
it up to the parents.
Fair enough. Are you a parent, and if so, what do you do?

vanman 05-03-2011 19:44
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35187651)
Fair enough. Are you a parent, and if so, what do you do?
i am but i have no young children
as i said in post #257
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got two boys at home one 18 he smokes the other one is 16 he hates it.
but when they were young nobody cared if i smoked in the car or not

Chris 05-03-2011 19:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35187656)
i am but i have no young children
as i said in post #257

but when they were young nobody cared if i smoked in the car or not
Public information films and posters encouraging adults not to teach their kids to smoke, or breathe in their smoke, have been around since long before your kids were born. They were around when I was in primary school, and that's about 30 years ago now.

You had the choice, you knew the risks to their health and you did it anyway - claiming that nobody cared is a bit weak. I only hope they relentlessly pestered you about it in the way I did to my dad whenever he smoked in front of me.

idi banashapan 05-03-2011 20:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35187656)
i am but i have no young children
as i said in post #257

but when they were young nobody cared if i smoked in the car or not
you avoided my question in post #258 well so far. you may not have young children now, but you have had 18 years in which to think about the health consequences you have been subjecting your children to. as you say, your 16 year old is still asking you to stop, yet you haven't.

to repost what I posed to you in #258 - even for the sake of your own children [would you not give up]? the same ones I'm sure you'd say you would take a bullet for? but you won't (not can't - we all know you can) stop smoking for their health [even when one appears to repeatedly ask you to stop - #257]?

vanman 05-03-2011 20:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35187660)
Public information films and posters encouraging adults not to teach their kids to smoke, or breathe in their smoke, have been around since long before your kids were born. They were around when I was in primary school, and that's about 30 years ago now.

You had the choice, you knew the risks to their health and you did it anyway - claiming that nobody cared is a bit weak. I only hope they relentlessly pestered you about it in the way I did to my dad whenever he smoked in front of me.
that maybe true but banned in public places on public transport and pubs was not on the cards as for smoking in my car.
who are you to tell me i cant just because you dont smoke.

Chris 05-03-2011 20:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35187673)
that maybe true but banned in public places on public transport and pubs was not on the cards as for smoking in my car.
who are you to tell me i cant just because you dont smoke.
I'm not telling you you can't. I'm telling you you shouldn't. They are two different things.

I think any responsible adult should put their children's health before their own lifestyle choices.

For you to force children to inhale smoke that you know will harm them, just because you want to have a smoke, is very selfish IMO.

idi banashapan 05-03-2011 20:21
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pa-CHING.... my comments off the truth shield!!!

martyh 05-03-2011 20:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vanman (Post 35187673)
that maybe true but banned in public places on public transport and pubs was not on the cards as for smoking in my car.
who are you to tell me i cant just because you dont smoke.
I disagree with any further legislation as
A)i don't think it is needed and
B) i think peer pressure and further education via ad campaigns will take care of it and
C)why make any proposed legislation about kids? ,if they must legislate make it no smoking with any other non smoker in the car be them adult or child .As a smoker myself i am very careful about smoking around non smokers i think it is very ignorant to impose a potential killer on anyone else against there will ,it may be too late for me and you but give others a chance

idi banashapan 05-03-2011 21:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35187684)
I disagree with any further legislation as
A)i don't think it is needed and
B) i think peer pressure and further education via ad campaigns will take care of it and
C)why make any proposed legislation about kids? ,if they must legislate make it no smoking with any other non smoker in the car be them adult or child .As a smoker myself i am very careful about smoking around non smokers i think it is very ignorant to impose a potential killer on anyone else against there will ,it may be too late for me and you but give others a chance
shame there aren't more like you around who smoke. fair play. unlike those people who 'go out for some fresh air', but simply open the back door and then proceed to stand in the doorway and smoke, meaning all the smoke just blows in!!!

martyh 05-03-2011 21:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by idi banashapan (Post 35187726)
shame there aren't more like you around who smoke. fair play. unlike those people who 'go out for some fresh air', but simply open the back door and then proceed to stand in the doorway and smoke, meaning all the smoke just blows in!!!
If i visit my brothers or mothers house i simply do not smoke ,they are non smokers and standing outside the door flicking dumps everywhere is disrespectful to their house imo .In my job i see loads of houses where people stand outside smoking and there is a nice little pile of dumps right next to the front/back door which is terrible imo as it's no good a smoker showing willing by stepping to the door but leaving the dumps for the kids to play with

idi banashapan 05-03-2011 21:15
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no one in my house smokes, but we have family and friends that do and that happens in our garden. As much as I politely ask them not to, it falls on deaf ears - much like lighting the cigarette from our cooker and then walking through our house to the garden.. I hate it. just those few seconds end up stinking the house out, especially, as I say, as we are all non-smokers. we notice it more. their actions are simply selfish and plain rude, but what can you do? the problem is, it's my other halves family and friends, and if I push to much, she gets defensive of them and it ends in an argument...

iFrankie 08-03-2011 11:01
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Personally i think it should be banned, growing up with my dad and step mum was like hell when they smoked in the car, i hated smokers then.

Now im a smoker xD


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