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cimt 13-09-2008 18:12
Re: Could City be the club to break into top 4?
 
That game should of been a draw, not a Pompey win. The first goal they got should not of counted. The ref totally ignored Mido when he got a boot in his face. That wasn't the only time the ref ignored a Boro player being fooled in the game... :mad:

Russ 13-09-2008 18:15
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34636262)
lol, just lucky VDS wasn't playing :D
And unfortunately he was today. He's well past his prime and it's too late to do anything about it now.

DocDutch 13-09-2008 18:36
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
hey at least you lost against your bitter rivals Russ :) :D

sir_drinks_alot 13-09-2008 19:03
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
oxford need to start winning or we will become the new Derby :(

iadom 13-09-2008 19:25
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Finally got to use my season ticket to the Latics, not had chance before due to holidays.
A workmanlike win against MK Dons should keep them at the top of the table.:cool:

Jim.

sir_drinks_alot 13-09-2008 20:42
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
someone at the bbc needs to fix there website this can't be right

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot..._1/7602109.stm

iadom 13-09-2008 21:04
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
This one is.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...le/default.stm :o::)

yesman 14-09-2008 00:44
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sir_drinks_alot (Post 34636944)
oxford need to start winning or we will become the new Derby :(
The Conference South beckons :D

Russ 14-09-2008 01:30
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DocDutch (Post 34636934)
hey at least you lost against your bitter rivals Russ :) :D
To be fair I haven't considered Liverpool to be our rivals since the 1980s ;)

sir_drinks_alot 14-09-2008 11:59
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yesman (Post 34637130)
The Conference South beckons :D
if oxford keeping going the way thay are tham it's conference south my the new year :( just hope we can go on a winning run before it's to late

SB_07 16-09-2008 00:26
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
LOL@Tottenham.

Ahhh it's good to be an Arsenal fan.

yesman 20-09-2008 21:03
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
I am a bit concerned that United could get turned over tomorrow, Vidic is suspended, Carrick is out injured, Berbatov has only played one game, plus the team has not been firing on all cylinders as yet.
But Ferguson seems to think things are ok....
Quote:
“It’s not a daunting task for Manchester United to go to Stamford Bridge,” he said. “Not with the ability we have in this team. Chelsea respect that. They know we can win there.

“We don’t want to be nine points behind Chelsea, or anyone else, at this stage of the season. We know we’ve got a big job to do on Sunday and the players will be up for it.”
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pa...6618816&page=1

Fergie, I hope you are right.

iadom 21-09-2008 17:27
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Mike Riley has to be the worst referee in the game, :rolleyes: 6 or 7 United players booked (I lost count) in what was in no way a dirty game, he is a complete WASSOCK.:mad:

cimt 21-09-2008 19:54
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
I heard Ronaldo was up to his old tricks again and got caught?

TheDaddy 21-09-2008 19:59
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iadom (Post 34640667)
Mike Riley has to be the worst referee in the game, :rolleyes: 6 or 7 United players booked (I lost count) in what was in no way a dirty game, he is a complete WASSOCK.:mad:
I notice most were booked for mouthing of at officials, good to see Rooney get his comeuppance though, considering it was his mouth that lead to the freekick they scored from, so much for the respect campaign eh

Kymmy 21-09-2008 20:04
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Typical, the one day I'm busy and in a place without a radio Man City decide to have some fun!!!
:shocked:
:erm:
:rolleyes:
:cool:

pedantic 21-09-2008 23:17
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34640725)
I notice most were booked for mouthing of at officials, good to see Rooney get his comeuppance though, considering it was his mouth that lead to the freekick they scored from, so much for the respect campaign eh
Which reminds me, when is Craig Bellamy back?

Shadow Demon UK 22-09-2008 00:02
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34640725)
I notice most were booked for mouthing of at officials, good to see Rooney get his comeuppance though, considering it was his mouth that lead to the freekick they scored from, so much for the respect campaign eh
It wasn't actually, it was a foul on Ashley Cole that he got booked for and the goal came from, but don't let the facts get in the way of your need to criticise Rooney.

TheDaddy 22-09-2008 00:12
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34640852)
It wasn't actually, it was a foul on Ashley Cole that he got booked for and the goal came from, but don't let the facts get in the way of your need to criticise Rooney.
Yeah right, it's a need to criticise isn't it because he never makes it his business to get in refs faces screaming abuse does he like he did after giving the foul away for instance, it's about time he grew up before he starts missing games, costing his club and country points and influencing kids even more with his unprofessional, petulant behaviour. Some times he runs half the length of the pitch to get involved, what on earth does he think it will achieve or is he just thick?

---------- Post added at 23:12 ---------- Previous post was at 23:11 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by pedantic (Post 34640833)
Which reminds me, when is Craig Bellamy back?
Who cares :shrug:

Saaf_laandon_mo 22-09-2008 11:20
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cimt (Post 34640720)
I heard Ronaldo was up to his old tricks again and got caught?
He dived without any contact whatsoever from Lampard, there was clear air between both players along the touch line. Ronaldo just dived, and got a free kick for it.

Someone should look at the video and ban him for 3 games for blatant cheating.

Russ 22-09-2008 11:38
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34640997)
He dived without any contact whatsoever from Lampard, there was clear air between both players along the touch line. Ronaldo just dived, and got a free kick for it.

Someone should look at the video and ban him for 3 games for blatant cheating.
A bit unfair as he's hardly the only player to ever do that.

Still, he's a United player so naturally he should be singled out for punishment.

Saaf_laandon_mo 22-09-2008 11:45
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34640999)
A bit unfair as he's hardly the only player to ever do that.

Still, he's a United player so naturally he should be singled out for punishment.
To be honest Russ, I'd like everyone caught doing something like that to banned if caught on video. After all don't players get pulled up for fouls that the referee misses? That was a blatant attempt at cheating, and if a chelsea player had done that I would have said the same thing. I only mentioned him because I didn't see anything so blatant from anyone else during the game.

Once players start getting banned for 3 games for cheating like that, we will soon see a return to honesty on the pitch.

Russ 22-09-2008 12:01
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34641002)
I only mentioned him because I didn't see anything so blatant from anyone else during the game.
Would you have noticed?

In anycase, such punishment could never be implimented. If it was brought in by the FA then the best players would avoid England as they'd think the rules were too strict. If it was brought in by UEFA then Spanish and Italian clubs would strike as diving is just about an accepted part of football.

Shadow Demon UK 22-09-2008 12:27
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34640997)
He dived without any contact whatsoever from Lampard, there was clear air between both players along the touch line. Ronaldo just dived, and got a free kick for it.

Someone should look at the video and ban him for 3 games for blatant cheating.

Drogba would never get a game if that was the case, there were a few cases of blatant diving from him yesterday and he was only on the pitch for 45 minutes.

sherer 22-09-2008 12:44
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
all players cheat and yes it should be banned but as the game makes so much money no one cares. Fifa could have done more at the world cup in 2002 with Rivaldo when he did it but they couldn't be bothered.

if you ban players for diving where do you draw the line do you then ban players for exaggerating injury when there is virtually no contact at all ?

The game makes so much money I don't think anyone but the fans care any more

Mal 22-09-2008 14:36
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Looks like Mike Riley wasn't the only official having a bad weekend... ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by BBC News
Reading boss Steve Coppell says he would not object to replaying Saturday's 2-2 draw with Watford.

The Royals went ahead when the assistant referee mistakenly awarded a goal instead of a corner after the ball had gone four yards wide of the goal.

c_r 22-09-2008 20:34
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34641007)
If it was brought in by UEFA then Spanish and Italian clubs would strike as diving is just about an accepted part of football.
You can't be serious surely? You really think that Spanish and Italian clubs would strike if UEFA brought in that rule? What a ridiculous suggestion.

Russ 23-09-2008 08:12
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by c_r (Post 34641225)
You can't be serious surely?
Ah, my number 1 fan! I'd wondered where you'd gone! Anyway I am serious - and don't call me Shirley.

Quote:
You really think that Spanish and Italian clubs would strike if UEFA brought in that rule? What a ridiculous suggestion.
I wouldn't put it past the players. Watch any top level Italian game and watch the theatrics going on. If their prima-donnas thought that one of the biggest aspects of their game was going to be outlawed there'd be uproar amongst them.

yesman 23-09-2008 09:32
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Oh dear, it just won't go away will it..

Quote:
Sheffield United chairman Kevin McCabe has told BBC Radio 5 Live that an independent tribunal has ruled against West Ham over the Carlos Tevez affair.
McCabe said it would be "inappropriate" to discuss figures of compensation despite reports claiming the Hammers could be forced to pay £30m. West Ham were found guilty of breaching league regulations in the signing of Tevez and Javier Mascherano in 2006.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/7630777.stm

sherer 23-09-2008 10:41
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
players wouldn't go on strike but there was an issue of Champions that was talking about diving and cheating. Players like Poyet were saying when they came to England they were told not to put the ball in the net with their hand and things they had done their whole career.

In South America conning the ref is all part of the game and as stated above different leagues accept this more than others. This is why the FA shouldn't do anything about it as if we play our league with fairness and no cheating then when we play in Europe we will be at a disadvantage. UEFA and FIFA need to do something but as I said the game makes more money than ever before and so no one really seems to care.

It's amazing how many times you see a player on the ground injured and unable to move and then as soon as the ball goes dead or out of play they sit up and can move :D:D

Russ 23-09-2008 10:55
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34641430)
It's amazing how many times you see a player on the ground injured and unable to move and then as soon as the ball goes dead or out of play they sit up and can move :D:D
And then go on to have a great game for Chelsea ;) :D

PeteTheMusicGuy 23-09-2008 13:38
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34641433)
And then go on to have a great game for Chelsea ;) :D
Or Man Utd :p:

c_r 23-09-2008 22:20
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34641384)
Ah, my number 1 fan! I'd wondered where you'd gone! Anyway I am serious - and don't call me Shirley.

I wouldn't put it past the players. Watch any top level Italian game and watch the theatrics going on. If their prima-donnas thought that one of the biggest aspects of their game was going to be outlawed there'd be uproar amongst them.
You do take people disagreeing with you awfully personally don't you? To state as a positive fact that players would strike if the penalty for diving was increased from a yellow card, as is the rule now, to a red card and a 3 match ban is simply preposterous. Apart from the fact that I'd be very dubious about the legality of striking on the grounds that the penalty for cheating had been increased, imagine the uproar it would cause amongst the fans, TV companies and sponsors in these countries. It's clearly nonsense and a moments reflection should tell you that.

Russ 23-09-2008 22:24
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Read up - looks like I'm not the only one thinking along these lines.

But do keep your best ones for me though ;)

btw, can Wes Brown do ANYTHING right??

c_r 23-09-2008 22:26
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34641824)
Read up - looks like I'm not the only one thinking along these lines.
I don't see anyone else saying players would strike if they increased the penalty for cheating but maybe I've missed it?

SB_07 23-09-2008 22:28
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Arsenal youngsters are on fire in the Carling cup! 5 - 0!

Russ 23-09-2008 22:34
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by c_r (Post 34641827)
I don't see anyone else saying players would strike if they increased the penalty for cheating but maybe I've missed it?
I truly truly truly truly apologise for suggesting clubs will strike. Can you ever forgive me?

Am I permitted to say that players from certain countries are likely to be put off from playing in other certain countries because parts of their game are dealt with more seriously than others?

Is that ok?

---------- Post added at 21:34 ---------- Previous post was at 21:31 ----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by SB_07 (Post 34641829)
Arsenal youngsters are on fire in the Carling cup! 5 - 0!
Great innit! This season they might win something!

Eh Gooners, remember those days? :D

c_r 23-09-2008 22:40
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34641830)
I truly truly truly truly apologise for suggesting clubs will strike. Can you ever forgive me?

Am I permitted to say that players from certain countries are likely to be put off from playing in other certain countries because parts of their game are dealt with more seriously than others?

Is that ok?
You really really don't like people disagreeing with you do you? I assume by your typical sarcastic and smarmy comments when you're wrong that you admit that strike action isn't going to happen if UEFA bring in this rule. Why you're mentioning the other part of your post I've no idea, I didn't comment on that as you well know and actually agree with it to an extent.

Russ 23-09-2008 22:43
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by c_r (Post 34641833)
You really really don't like people disagreeing with you do you? I assume by your typical sarcastic and smarmy comments when you're wrong that you admit that strike action isn't going to happen if UEFA bring in this rule. Why you're mentioning the other part of your post I've no idea, I didn't comment on that as you well know and actually agree with it to an extent.
I don't admit I'm wrong about it because I do believe some players will strike if what they see as part and parcel of their game is dealt with more severely. Watch just about any top level Spanish or Italian game to see the diving. The clubs themselves may not strike but I can see players doing so. feel free to disagree of course.

More importantly, nice result for the Swans! Best derby in years :D

c_r 23-09-2008 22:56
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34641834)
I don't admit I'm wrong about it because I do believe some players will strike if what they see as part and parcel of their game is dealt with more severely. Watch just about any top level Spanish or Italian game to see the diving. The clubs themselves may not strike but I can see players doing so. feel free to disagree of course.
Why not come back with that in the first place rather than the infantile sarcasm? I completely disagree, I think the notion of a strike for a relatively small increase in the penalty for a particular offence is ridiculous. As I said before, apart from anything else I doubt whether such a strike would be legal in these countries. I'd be interested to hear if anyone agrees with you, to me the whole idea is completely beyond the bounds of possibility.

Russ 23-09-2008 23:18
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by c_r (Post 34641843)
Why not come back with that in the first place rather than the infantile sarcasm? I completely disagree, I think the notion of a strike for a relatively small increase in the penalty for a particular offence is ridiculous. As I said before, apart from anything else I doubt whether such a strike would be legal in these countries. I'd be interested to hear if anyone agrees with you, to me the whole idea is completely beyond the bounds of possibility.
Now you see, the whole point of a discussion forum is to put forward an individual's views. I wasn't aware mine had be cleared by yourself first.

Saaf_laandon_mo 24-09-2008 00:07
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by c_r (Post 34641827)
I don't see anyone else saying players would strike if they increased the penalty for cheating but maybe I've missed it?
You need to be wearing russ tinted glasses to see that.... they effect your vision and thinking sometimes ;)

c_r 24-09-2008 09:12
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34641849)
Now you see, the whole point of a discussion forum is to put forward an individual's views. I wasn't aware mine had be cleared by yourself first.
Well that was my point - why you didn't continue to put forward your views and instead started indulging in childish sarcasm. I don't remember posting anything to suggest that your views had to be cleared by me first but maybe I've missed that as well?

Russ 24-09-2008 09:44
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Uh oh, humour bypass alert.....

---------- Post added at 08:44 ---------- Previous post was at 08:23 ----------

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...5875-20749201/

So a group of Nigerians are set to buy out Newcastle from Mike Ashley.

I wonder did they initially contact him by email, saying they'd pay by Western Union Money Transfer?

Derek 24-09-2008 11:34
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34641943)
I wonder did they initially contact him by email, saying they'd pay by Western Union Money Transfer?
Showing a lot of promise, giving people high expectations but eventually delivering nothing? Why would they want Newcastle United...

Russ 24-09-2008 11:57
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Perhaps it was a dare.

Shadow Demon UK 24-09-2008 23:44
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Normal service resumed at Man City tonight, losing on penalties to the giants that are Brighton and Holve Albion :D

Julian 24-09-2008 23:54
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Bet you could here the crowd from your house being a Manu fan ;)

Russ 24-09-2008 23:59
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34642416)
Normal service resumed at Man City tonight, losing on penalties to the giants that are Brighton and Holve Albion :D
I think Man City continually crapping-out most games in the run up to the end of the year will mean the Arabs are going to spend massively in January and I wouldn't mind betting it'll be a transfer bill that would even make Abramovich blush.

c_r 25-09-2008 00:19
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34641943)
Uh oh, humour bypass alert.....
Sorry, I must have missed your witty comments. We could all enjoy them if you let us know when they are?

James K 25-09-2008 01:10
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Tonight -- all i care about is QPR beatin Villa... come on the hoops!! : )

pedantic 25-09-2008 19:54
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Footballer in drink-drive probe

Quote:
Footballer Carlton Cole was arrested on suspicion of drink-driving in central London, it has emerged
:nono:

nffc 26-09-2008 15:07
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Newcastle appoint Kinnear. totally lol.

yesman 27-09-2008 21:49
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Whoops !!!!

Arsenal 1-2 Hull :D

A bit of a come down after the mid week performance.

SB_07 28-09-2008 02:16
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by yesman (Post 34643807)
Whoops !!!!

Arsenal 1-2 Hull :D

A bit of a come down after the mid week performance.
:(

Russ 29-09-2008 19:41
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...rs/7642252.stm

Fair dues to the guy, it takes a big man to do that.

punky 29-09-2008 20:34
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Styles will not be punished with a suspension and will be in charge when Tottenham host Hull at White Hart Lane on Sunday.
That's all we bloody need given how the descisions have gone against us this season.

Shadow Demon UK 30-09-2008 12:10
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Why on earth is he not being dropped like Halsey was for (rightfully imo) sending off John Terry, when Styles has made a much bigger, costlier mistake that cannot be reversed? The FA certainly have their favourites don't they.

iadom 30-09-2008 12:24
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Whats the difference between a triangle and Spurs, a triangle has three points.:D

punky 30-09-2008 13:50
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
You could at least come up with something more original like this:

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/872...warningua5.jpg

TheDaddy 30-09-2008 15:42
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34644936)
Why on earth is he not being dropped like Halsey was for (rightfully imo) sending off John Terry, when Styles has made a much bigger, costlier mistake that cannot be reversed? The FA certainly have their favourites don't they.
Mistake? It was no accident, he got conned by a cheat and yes the FA do have their favourites otherwise it'd have been stamped out long ago

Shadow Demon UK 30-09-2008 16:21
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34645073)
Mistake? It was no accident, he got conned by a cheat and yes the FA do have their favourites otherwise it'd have been stamped out long ago
Conned by a cheat? Did you actually see the incident? I know you hate all things United but surely you can see there was no way he dived or went down looking for a penalty, he didn't appeal for a penalty, no other players appealed for a penalty, how on earth did he try and con the referee? He quite clearly got caught by the Bolton player after he got the ball.

TheDaddy 30-09-2008 16:46
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34645101)
Conned by a cheat? Did you actually see the incident? I know you hate all things United but surely you can see there was no way he dived or went down looking for a penalty, he didn't appeal for a penalty, no other players appealed for a penalty, how on earth did he try and con the referee? He quite clearly got caught by the Bolton player after he got the ball.
Oh was I a little harsh on him this time, thing is though when you have as much previous as him, he doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt

Russ 30-09-2008 16:55
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Do you treat Drogba and co with the same contempt?

TheDaddy 30-09-2008 16:59
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34645133)
Do you treat Drogba and co with the same contempt?
Yes I do, sooner some sort of retrospective punishment system brought in the better imo, we don't pay through the nose to watch these cheats rolling about on the floor or 'falling' over peoples legs

Damien 30-09-2008 17:46
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ed/7644211.stm

Mike Ashley has reduced the asking price for Newcastle United. I honestly think his entire story has been a shambles from all involved although I have sympathy for Ashley. Newcastle deserve to go down at this rate.

The "fans" were a joke, protesting that Kevin Keegan left presumably because he was unable to get the players he wanted and the fans want to do a Chelsea/Man City and go onto the transfer market with a blank cheque and buy themselves success. This is becoming increasingly common and it's a unrealistic wish! They were in debt and securing the future of the club was important. Ashley was right to prioritise security and future development over immediate and extravagant spending, if the fans cannot understand that and wish to force out anyone unwilling to do so then they will go down and it's nothing more than they deserve.

Saaf_laandon_mo 30-09-2008 18:10
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34645136)
Yes I do, sooner some sort of retrospective punishment system brought in the better imo, we don't pay through the nose to watch these cheats rolling about on the floor or 'falling' over peoples legs
I think Russ thinks we only want Ronaldo punished.

As well as a retrospective system like yours I'd love to see the following...

To reduce pressure on the ref I think there should be a third ref watching the screen/video evidence. The referee has already stopped play by blowing the whistle. The attacker has lost his advantage at this stage as the 'fouled' player is rolling on the floor holding his knee. The referee on the pitch can confer with the referee watching the video and within a few minutes you get a decision. It's either a penalty or a yellow card if the guy dived to try and con the ref.

I get embarrased when I see Drogba roll around on the floor after being tapped on his shoulder. It shouldn't happen. A cheat is a cheat irregardless of the shirt you're wearing in my opinion.

Damien 30-09-2008 18:20
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
To reduce pressure on the ref I think there should be a third ref watching the screen/video evidence. The referee has already stopped play by blowing the whistle. The attacker has lost his advantage at this stage as the 'fouled' player is rolling on the floor holding his knee. The referee on the pitch can confer with the referee watching the video and within a few minutes you get a decision. It's either a penalty or a yellow card if the guy dived to try and con the ref.
I don't get why they don't do this, the technology has been there for years and it would hardly slow the game down at all. They could limit use to situations were the decision is important such as penalties and free-kicks in dangerous situations

pedantic 30-09-2008 18:41
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Cahill fails in red card appeal

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Everton midfielder Tim Cahill has lost his appeal for wrongful dismissal over the red card he was shown in Saturday's 2-0 defeat by Liverpool.
Why am I not surprised. :rolleyes:

TheDaddy 01-10-2008 04:03
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 34645184)
I don't get why they don't do this, the technology has been there for years and it would hardly slow the game down at all. They could limit use to situations were the decision is important such as penalties and free-kicks in dangerous situations
It's because it can't be used at every match, they'd say if the Stockport and Oldhams of this world cant benefit from it the no one should and with a league system they are probably right, unless of course the aim is to make the Prem even more elitist

sherer 01-10-2008 09:52
Re: Football : Season 08/09
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34645445)
It's because it can't be used at every match, they'd say if the Stockport and Oldhams of this world cant benefit from it the no one should and with a league system they are probably right, unless of course the aim is to make the Prem even more elitist
whilst I agree in part with that there is also the football pyramid with what happens at the elite level falling down to the lower leagues and I think if diving was cut out at the top level then it will be cut out lower down the leagues too.

Just a shame the FA don't think the same way

Shadow Demon UK 01-10-2008 11:26
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Originally Posted by Saaf_laandon_mo (Post 34645179)
As well as a retrospective system like yours I'd love to see the following...

To reduce pressure on the ref I think there should be a third ref watching the screen/video evidence. The referee has already stopped play by blowing the whistle. The attacker has lost his advantage at this stage as the 'fouled' player is rolling on the floor holding his knee. The referee on the pitch can confer with the referee watching the video and within a few minutes you get a decision. It's either a penalty or a yellow card if the guy dived to try and con the ref.
The problem with that idea would be that the referee's will end up using the system to check all fouls in and around the box and will totally disrupt the match. Then there's the case of not all penalty decisions are clear cut, you can watch replay after replay of decisions and there are still different views on it from different people. Also what would have happened for the penalty decision United got? It was niether a penalty or a dive, so how would you restart the match? If the ball had fallen to an attacking player after the tackle and the referee had blown the whistle to check if it was a penalty it's hardly fair to stop the play and then restart from a drop ball as they have lost any advantage they had. There's too many problems with systems like these for it to work without causing issues in my opinion.

c_r 01-10-2008 22:38
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Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 34645570)
The problem with that idea would be that the referee's will end up using the system to check all fouls in and around the box and will totally disrupt the match. Then there's the case of not all penalty decisions are clear cut, you can watch replay after replay of decisions and there are still different views on it from different people. Also what would have happened for the penalty decision United got? It was niether a penalty or a dive, so how would you restart the match? If the ball had fallen to an attacking player after the tackle and the referee had blown the whistle to check if it was a penalty it's hardly fair to stop the play and then restart from a drop ball as they have lost any advantage they had. There's too many problems with systems like these for it to work without causing issues in my opinion.
It's very difficult isn't it? I've always thought one of the best things to do would be to have the referees wear a microphone. If it didn't make the players realise how stupid they frequently look then at least the tv companies would have to put a stop to the petulance/bad language.

TheDaddy 03-10-2008 05:48
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Shame their aren't more professionals like him, I'd love some one to play for the Hammers who cared as much about the club as this guy does Bilbao, it must be a Spanish thing, when Athletico Madrid were relegated a Spanish international called Kiko played for free to.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...pe/7649109.stm

Arthurgray50@blu 05-10-2008 22:15
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Being a referee myself, l find that each week, that l carry out games, we are on a loser, for the simple reason is, if the Ref's at top level, cannot get it right, how the hell do they expect us to get it right at lower level.

There has to be a camera on the goal line for example, if that ball crosses that line, in a bunch of players, the ref, and ass. cannot see it, and the goalkeeper is laying over the ball, just think of the 'goal' at Man Utd v Tottenham, when the ball was TWO FEET over the line and the ref and linesman, didn't see it.:)

Arthurgray50@blu 05-10-2008 22:23
I think it is time to say goodbye mr ramos
 
Being a big Spurs fan, l think it is time that Mr Daniel Levy, told Mr Ramos, your time is up, before it is too late.

So far this season, has been the worst start for a Tottenham team for over twenty years, You cannot play a game with only ONE striker, and we have that, it saddens me when l say that, but we have got act quickly to resolve this matter, there is a big difference playing in Europe with Sevilla, and playing in the biggest league in the world which is the Premier League, Recently, Polchenko stated that the training was too tough, that say's it all.:mad:

iadom 05-10-2008 23:33
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34648222)
Being a referee myself, l find that each week, that l carry out games, we are on a loser, for the simple reason is, if the Ref's at top level, cannot get it right, how the hell do they expect us to get it right at lower level.

There has to be a camera on the goal line for example, if that ball crosses that line, in a bunch of players, the ref, and ass. cannot see it, and the goalkeeper is laying over the ball, just think of the 'goal' at Man Utd v Tottenham, when the ball was TWO FEET over the line and the ref and linesman, didn't see it.:)
What complete and utter drivel, even Mr Magoo could see that ball was never over the line.:D
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/34...-post1485.html

wigro 06-10-2008 00:38
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Coventry city 4 , southampton 1 . There is a god lol. I work with the scummers and would have got so much stick if cov had lost . Will just smile at them now . :)

Damien 06-10-2008 14:18
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Spurs sort of deserve this for the way they treated Jol last year, he did well with spurs and they finished 5th for 2 seasons in a row! However it was not enough for them, they wanted Champions League (Unrealistic with that team) so out he goes and in comes someone else.

They are suffering from the weight of their over-exceptions

PC Virgin 08-10-2008 18:24
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Uefa fire debt warning
Clubs could face European exclusion
Last updated: 8th October 2008


Uefa general secretary David Taylor has warned clubs with heavy debts they could be excluded from European competitions.

Football Association chairman Lord Triesman revealed on Tuesday that English clubs currently owe an estimated £3billion.

Triesman stated that such debts posed a 'terrible danger' in the current global climate and Taylor shares his concerns.

He is worried about the problem across the continent and has threatened to take action against any club that fails to deal with serious debts.

"There would be forms of communication, even warnings, even reprimands before one would ever get to a situation of exclusion but it's absolutely possible," Taylor told the Leaders in Football Conference.

Taylor also expressed concern that clubs are putting their futures in jeopardy by exposing themselves to debt that would require a 'white knight' to bail them out.

He said: "We are looking at strengthening the minimal financial criteria and other forms of self regulation that may impose greater standards on clubs that want to compete in European competitions and beyond that club football."

Stability
Uefa have set up a working party to investigate ways of controlling the spiralling debt.

Taylor said: "This is an attempt to find greater financial stability, especially at a time when banks are failing. Governments might bail out banks but they are not going to bail out a football club,

"The current system needs to be looked at, it needs more transparency. We need to look at which areas we regulate to ensure the long-term stability of the clubs.

"It is not something that will happen overnight, we are still at the stage of investigating and developing solutions, but we are concerned about the longer term."


Convinced
Taylor also echoed Triesman in dismissing the current 'fit and proper persons' test for ownership as of little use in establishing the financial credentials of people looking to take over clubs.

He added: "We welcome investment in football but we want stronger roots for that investment and this is an attempt to find greater stability.

"Many new owners or investors are not giving gifts to clubs. In most cases they are loans and ultimately the club is indebted to its benefactor.

"There are no solutions yet but we are all convinced something needs to be done."



http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...261600,00.html


Four biggers clubs in England-Debts

Man utd-764m
Chelsea-738m
Liverpool-350m
Arsenal-318m-because of the new ground
To be honest all this has come about because off platini moaning and is jealous of english clubs becoming dominant in europe, He never complained when he was playing for juventus when the club itself was in huge debt and was succsessful, Too faced frog :mad:

What are your thoughts?

Arthurgray50@blu 08-10-2008 19:20
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Hi Iadom, you don't need Mr Magoo's glasses, you need to go to specsavers, and try some there, 42.000 fans see the ball over the line, even the following morning Sir Alec, said, this was down to the officals, there again, depends on how much Fergie paid them:p:

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Hi Damien,
I could not agree more with you, In the last weeks of Jol, the Spurs fans sang a song for him, and l can assure you it brought a lump too my throat.

Jol did a lot in the time, he was at Spurs, but it was that Commeli, that has done big damage, it would not surprise me, if we are fighting relegation this year, it only needs the teams above us, to get a winning streak and we are in trouble, it has been revealed, that Palyscenko is out till the end of this month, and we are left with Bale, We can't rely on Campbell, as Juande won't play him for a full game.

We need a couple of on loan strikers, What club would get rid of there two main strikers, we knew ******* Berba, was going, but not Keano.

sherer 08-10-2008 19:38
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Originally Posted by PC Virgin (Post 34650255)
To be honest all this has come about because off platini moaning and is jealous of english clubs becoming dominant in europe, He never complained when he was playing for juventus when the club itself was in huge debt and was succsessful, Too faced frog :mad:

What are your thoughts?
I think the full comments state it isn't a problem for clubs to be in debt just like most people are with a mortgage. it's something they will look into deeper and as long as clubs are managing the finances then it will be ok.

If clubs have debt and no means to cover it then they could be blocked from playing in Europe

Russ 08-10-2008 21:01
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Perhaps clubs in debt are hoping to use their cash prize on winning the trophy to pay towards what they owe? Entry in to the Champion's league is very lucrative so suggesting debt-ridden teams are banned from it is a very good way of ensuring they stay in debt.

I wonder if Blater writes his scripts for him?

Arthurgray50@blu 08-10-2008 22:28
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Maybe, if these clubs did not pay such digusting wages, ie £120.000 PER WEEK, for one player, then these clubs would not be in such debt, if say Spurs paid ALL there players each week, it would be in the region of about 2 million per week, disgusting, and that is for working 180 minutes per week, and training for two hours per day. (which isn't work, is it)_

Russ 08-10-2008 22:49
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34650479)
Maybe, if these clubs did not pay such digusting wages, ie £120.000 PER WEEK, for one player, then these clubs would not be in such debt, if say Spurs paid ALL there players each week, it would be in the region of about 2 million per week, disgusting, and that is for working 180 minutes per week, and training for two hours per day. (which isn't work, is it)_
If having such famous names play each week makes the fans pay millions to the club to see them, isn't it only right the players get a wedge of that? If it was not for the big names then would the club make so much money in merchandising, ticket revenue? I'm not saying it's right that a man gets £120,000 a week, but put in perspective I understand it.

TheDaddy 09-10-2008 02:49
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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 34650285)
that Palyscenko is out till the end of this month, and we are left with Bale, We can't rely on Campbell, as Juande won't play him for a full game.

We need a couple of on loan strikers, What club would get rid of there two main strikers, we knew ******* Berba, was going, but not Keano.
Err Bale is a left back, things must be bad if the spuds are playing him up front. You might need them on loan but you can't have them till January and who is going to loan you a striker that is any good? Getting over 50 million for those two was good business imo you should have been able to get 5 or 6 really good players in for that, if I were you I'd be more annoyed at selling Defoe for peanuts.

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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34650499)
If having such famous names play each week makes the fans pay millions to the club to see them, isn't it only right the players get a wedge of that? If it was not for the big names then would the club make so much money in merchandising, ticket revenue? I'm not saying it's right that a man gets £120,000 a week, but put in perspective I understand it.
I cant understand why the wages are so high, they are more than double on average than Serie A and nearly double of La Liga players, doesn't make sense to me.

sherer 09-10-2008 11:15
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 34650599)
I cant understand why the wages are so high, they are more than double on average than Serie A and nearly double of La Liga players, doesn't make sense to me.
That is interesting didn't know that. Have you got any links on the wages ? Thought it was the same otherwise why would Ruud and Robben go off to Real are you are talking about an average across the league ?

Ronaldinho was meant to be on nearly 200,000 a week at Barca

Shadow Demon UK 09-10-2008 11:34
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That is interesting didn't know that. Have you got any links on the wages ? Thought it was the same otherwise why would Ruud and Robben go off to Real are you are talking about an average across the league ?

Ronaldinho was meant to be on nearly 200,000 a week at Barca
Ofcourse the top clubs like Real Madrid, Barcalona and Milan are going to be similar to top premier league clubs, but it's more the mid table clubs that make the big difference, like the wage bills of Spurs, Man city, Aston Villa etc are much higher then clubs in similar positions in other leagues. I read somehwere that last season the overall Premier league wage bill was over £1billion where La Ligas, who were second to the Premier league, was not even £600million.

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Here's the link http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...n-barrier.html

I thought this was intresting from that article

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Attendances are also up, with the Championship now the world's fourth biggest league, above Serie A.

Saaf_laandon_mo 09-10-2008 11:46
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I'd like to see a cap on wages, and more of a structure to channel money into the lower leagues. A few days ago a point was made that video evidence could not be used in the premiership because smaller clubs could not afford to implement it so the permiership would not adopt it. This way facilities in smaller clubs could improve.

Capped wages could also be a means to subsidising tickets so that football becomes more affordable. I do think that the attitude towards players would change if wages were capped.

Russ 09-10-2008 12:10
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Capped wages would need to be worldwide otherwise we'll never have real quality in the UK.

Saaf_laandon_mo 09-10-2008 12:14
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Originally Posted by Russ B (Post 34650683)
Capped wages would need to be worldwide otherwise we'll never have real quality in the UK.
Definately... For this to work it needs to be implemented across the board, in all countries.

Russ 09-10-2008 12:16
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I can't see it happening though. There are too many primadonnas in the game I can't see some of them accepting a pay cut.

Saaf_laandon_mo 09-10-2008 12:20
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So what will they do? Stop playing football? I'd rather be on 50K a week than nothing a week as such.

Russ 09-10-2008 12:27
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I don't know what they'll do but what do people normally do when they're being told they're not getting the pay they're used to?

Saaf_laandon_mo 09-10-2008 12:33
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I don't know what they'll do but what do people normally do when they're being told they're not getting the pay they're used to?
Well most people look for another job in the field they are qualified in. DSo if football wages were capped across all countries the footballer would be in a bit of a sticky spot. He would have 3 choices. Get a job outside football, take a paycut or dont play football at all.

Damien 09-10-2008 13:38
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All that will happen is that the clubs and higher-ups will get more money...

sherer 09-10-2008 14:36
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I think what they need to do is limit a club so that they can only spend x amount of their income on wages rather than a wage cap of players. It will still have the desired affect but will be a fairer means as some clubs earn more than others.

Going back to what Shadow said about Man City, Spurs , Villa etc this is why we have so few English players. The average players can earn far more playing in England than they can abroad or back home and so these clubs buy these players instead. It is cheaper to buy a proven player with experience than it is to train up a youngster to the same level so we import the average players from abroad

Nugget 09-10-2008 15:19
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34650771)
I think what they need to do is limit a club so that they can only spend x amount of their income on wages rather than a wage cap of players. It will still have the desired affect but will be a fairer means as some clubs earn more than others.

Going back to what Shadow said about Man City, Spurs , Villa etc this is why we have so few English players. The average players can earn far more playing in England than they can abroad or back home and so these clubs buy these players instead. It is cheaper to buy a proven player with experience than it is to train up a youngster to the same level so we import the average players from abroad
Just to take slight issue with including Villa in that list, out of a first team squad of 25, there are currently 16 English players. We may have got tonked by Chelsea at the weekend, but at least most of the victims came from this country :D

Actually, they've also currently got 34 reserves / youth players, and 25 of them are English, so that's a step in the right direction :)

sherer 09-10-2008 16:39
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Originally Posted by Nugget (Post 34650810)
Just to take slight issue with including Villa in that list, out of a first team squad of 25, there are currently 16 English players. We may have got tonked by Chelsea at the weekend, but at least most of the victims came from this country :D

Actually, they've also currently got 34 reserves / youth players, and 25 of them are English, so that's a step in the right direction :)
sorry I was just picking teams at random there without really looking into how many of the squad were English

Nugget 09-10-2008 16:51
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Originally Posted by sherer (Post 34650853)
sorry I was just picking teams at random there without really looking into how many of the squad were English
Not a problem really - just that it's the only thing we have going for us after the weekend :D


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