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Trouble is, in the eyes of the trough snouters, it's not cost effective to build more prisons. It's much more cost effective to release the murderers into the community. Who knows there next victim might also be a benefit recipient. Lovely Jubbly even more to fill the trough with. :rolleyes:

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

While not as bad as this case similar things happen far more frequently than you would think. 99% of cases never make the papers.

While prison isn't for everyone there are some people who don't have a hope in hell of ever being 'reformed' and without fail they get involved in crime, normally at a more serious level, within hours of getting out of pokey.

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I don't doubt any of that sadly!

Maybe it'd help if the sentence handed down was actually the sentence served. Why wouldn't it be - I mean you don't get away with paying 2/3 of your bills do you?

I reckon each time someone reoffends they ought to have any previous custodial sentences added on. That might focus a few minds but for those who carry on regardless at least it'd mean they're are out of harm's way for longer than is currently the case.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8136306.stm

:rolleyes:

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Mean while anyone not paying fines will be hunted down with the full force of the law.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

what you also have to understand is, its the people who drop litter and fag ends that are the real problem in our society:rolleyes:

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

To be fair

Some of these may have disappeared abroad or disappeared into a hole in the ground. Either way they haven't come to the attention of the Police since release/recall so it could be argued they are re-habilitated ;)

Errgghh. I can't believe I'm sticking up for the Government. I feel dirty now :(

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Where's the carbolic soap :)

:LOL:

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I dropped it in the showers... :shocked: :Yikes: :shocked:

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The always excellent Inspector Gadget has his own take on it.

http://inspectorgadget.wordpress.com/

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...l-hostels.html

Some of those believed to have been released early or due for imminent release:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...soners-hostels

Probation supervision? I'm sure that'll be effective....... :rolleyes:

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A new low is hit.

http://www.paisleydailyexpress.co.uk...7085-24226288/

6 years (In reality he'll be out before the Olympics) for Murder.

Arming yourself with a knife, going out to confront someone and plunging a knife into their back inflicting one of the worst wounds an experienced A&E Doctor has ever seen is OK if you don't intend to kill them.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Labour are weak on crime tough on the victims of crime.

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Shocking!

:mad:

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When the system is like it is why are we surprised anymore at the low levels some are going too it's not as if there is any real detterent to stop these people. We really do need a serious change in this country because if there isn't one it is going to continue downhill till the point that people will start taking matters into their own hands in the search for justice which is not something i want to see.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8171061.stm

Despite being cautioned twice for the same offence and then being given a 6 month jail service for the 4th office, she goes on to re-offend for a 5th time, and gets.... a 10 month suspended jail sentence.

Honestly, what's the point? I despair at the judgement but also the amount of money gone to get it.

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"Serial Bigamist" :D

I just couldn't keep a straight face.

Being married once was plenty for me. :erm:

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

There are a few interesting comments on the Magistrates blog right now.

Basically things are in such a state with the prisons that anyone sentenced to 28 days or less in prison gets immediately turfed out with a payment to help get their lives back on track without seeing the inside of a prison. In some cases people sentenced to 4 months also get punted before going through the gates of prison and compensated for having to sit in the back of a prison van.

Who says crime doesn't pay?

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Law abiding citizens. and those that tell the kids I know where you live and I'm gonna tell your dad.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Now why doesn't any of that surprise me?.... :mad:

I've been watching UK Border Patrol on Sky lately and it demonstrates perfectly just how cumbersome, wasteful and ineffective parts of our legal 'system' still are despite all those tough talking soundbites issued by numerous Home Secretaries. Vast amounts of time, energy and money spent rounding up illegals only for them to be let go and allowed to abscond because there isn't room to detain them whilst securing the travel documents needed to remove them or whilst they're awaiting the result of appeals... It's absolutely bonkers and is costing us a fortune!!

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

DPP and Met chiefs concerned about the over use of out of court penalties:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2009/no...on-crime-theft

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A teenager who raped a 5 year old boy just a few days after being spared a custodial sentence for another rape has finally been jailed:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-..._Boy_Is_Jailed

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

They probably had to let someone out early and he had their place.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

After watching the panarama program on monday night this government has absolutely no right to ever talk about being tough on crime i was completely disgusted by what i saw.

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Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

I felt the same.

I also gained the impression that the fixed penalty system, nowadays, seems to have become more of a REVENUE RAISING exercise with a secondary effect of keeping the prison population down.

Later when watching a report on the News about corrupt Russian Police Officers turning a blind eye upon the acceptance of a bribe I couldn't help see the similarity. The difference being our Police give you a slap on the wrist (turn a blind eye) upon recieving a fine (bribe) on behalf of the State. :shocked:

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

With the In-justice system we have in this country, I believe that people are sent to prison far too late.

The lefties claim prison is for reform, but in my opinion criminals are usually past the point of reform by the time they are sentenced to prison.

Prison is the most effective method available to keep the public and their property safe.

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I've heard reports that the lad in question has Aspergers Syndrome. If this indeed the case, it might go some way to explaining why the first judge acted as he/she did but it doesn't explain why sufficient supervisiory conditions weren't applied in order to keep him from reoffending. Where a crime is committed by someone who's mentally ill, I think it should be incumbent upon the authorities to ensure that the punishment imposed is intended first and foremost to protect the public and then to assist that individual, if possible, to modify/control their behaviour. This latter goal may well have been behind the initial decision not to jail the lad but tragically, in the absence of effective supervision/controls, he was able to reoffend.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

If someone has been found to have an untreatable medical condition and that condition is alleged to have played a part in them committing a serious crime, that is all the more reason to lock them up, as they are certainly going to commit another offence.

The Gay Mafia are always using the phrase 'its their sexuality', so applying that 'principal', if someone has raped a child who is that young, they should never be even considered for release, as that is 'their sexuality'.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

"The Gay Mafia"?

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

We are too damn soft on too many criminals in this country and it's getting worse because we seem unable to build more prisons so things will sadly continue to go downhill.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

I really don't disagree with keeping such people out of harm's way but the punishment needs to fit the crime and the situation. This lad should certainly not have been allowed the freedom to commit another offence but if he is a genuine Aspergers sufferer, the sentence should not just be banging him up in a prison cell.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

I have a strong policy on crime;
MURDER - EXECUTE BY HANGING

KNIFE CRIME / MUGGINGS 5/10 YEARS

CHILD SEX OFFENDERS - LIFE, TO SERVE A MINIMUM OF 25 YEARS.

Community service is a waste of time, send them to prison, teach thugs a lesson, to respect other people health and property.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

If someone is never going to be 'cured'(Aspergers or 'their sexuality') of thinking it's ok to rape 5 years old kids, then they shouldn't be out roaming the streets.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Re "their sexuality" - you appear to be confusing paedophilia with homosexuality, or at least hinting that they are one and the same thing.

Or am I misinterpreting your posts?

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

I think so.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Yes, you are(as usual). The claim is always being made that homosexuality is something that people are born with, as it is 'their sexuality'. If that is the mantra/principal to be followed, then if someone's sexuality means raping 5 year old kids(male or female), then that means they can never be 'cured'. If homosexuals cannot be 'cured', then paedophiles(and other sexualities) cannot be 'cured'.

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I have to admit. it sounds logical :)

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Which is why I asked the question - thank you, however, for answering on his behalf.

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Thank you for clarifying that - my confusion was that you appeared to be stating that "Aspergers" or "their sexuality" made them think it was OK to rape 5 year olds, whilst the raping of young children (part of the paedophilia syndrome) has nothing to do with sexuality, and all to do with "power".

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Which is pretty much what I've said.

None of us have any idea what aspect(s) of this lad's personality have caused him to behave in this way. The Aspergers may be a significant part of the reason in this case but that will be up to experts to determine. If that is indeed found to be the case and deemed a mitigating factor than punishing this lad in the same manner as a cold, calculating paedophile with no such 'mitigating' conditions would seem to me to be unfair.

Protecting the public is however a different issue and clearly this lad must be held in custody for that reason. Prisons are not the place for mentally ill people yet many such people are languishing inside them. IMO secure units which can offer whatever remedial treatments there may be or at least provide a seccure environment which is less likely to cause the offender's behaviour to spiral out of control are a far better option.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

So he should be locked because he allegedly has Asperger's?

How do those sort of actions square up with having Asperger's?
National Autistic Society
He seemed not to have enough of a problem imagining a ruse of a lost football, communicating and interacting with a young boy about that, in order to achieve his aims.

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If it is just about "power", would there be such a thing as paedophilia? Wouldn't it just be a case of wanting "power" over young/old, male/female, human/animal or any combination of those with no specific preference for a single group.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

I wasn't. I was going to tell you whether you asked him or not.

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I believe that I have yet to see such a distasteful, prejudiced and quite frankly, ignorant series of posts in my entire life. You have absolutley not one iota of evidence that his Autism was the driving force behind his motivations. You have not one inkling of how the condition affects the decision making process of a sufferer and you have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Your comments disgusts me and all parents of children who have to live this condition day in and day out. How dare even pretend to know what it is like for a child growing up with Aspergers and how it affects them and all around them. Your belief that reading a few lines on a website makes you an expert in how the condition works, is ignorant and lazy and has no place on this forum. I dare you to call the NAS and spout the same BS to them and see what response you get.

I will not give two hoots about any response you may give to this post, because you have destroyed any credibility you may have in even producing a mere utterance upon the subject.

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I referred to the 'alleged' Asperger's. As such I am not linking the two, in fact I am pointing out that his actions were inconsistent with Autism as specified by the link to the National Autistic Society webpage on Asperger's.

This is the post that brought up Asperger's with regards to this case.
My initial reaction to that post was this:-
I didn't bring up the issue of Asperger's and no link for that claim was provided by the person that did. My reply refers to where an untreatable mental illness of whatever sort is used as mitigation for a serious crime of whatever sort.

This is the post that sought to possibly link Asperger's to it.
I have NEVER tried to link the two things and have only responded to that specific mental condition in reply to what 'Osem' has said. Even then pointing out the general position that a mental condition should not provide a 'get out of jail free' card for a serious offence.

It is my understanding that one of the cornerstones of autism is lack of interaction. I checked that on the National Autistic Society website.

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I'm a tad confused here because you seem to be disagreeing with someone who isn't entirely disagreeing with you. I'm well aware of the traits associated with Asperger's syndrome but as with all such conditions there is a wide range of expression between the worst and least affected and that's why I couched my sentiments in the way I did. I've said it's up to the experts, who will no doubt examine this lad, to determine what IF ANY part his condition played in the attacks and how best to deal with that. As I've said more than once now, keeping this lad in custody out of harm's way should be paramount but the environment in which he is held should be appropriate and prison isn't necessarily the best option. I haven't stated that because he has Aspergers he shouldn't be punished or locked up.

Since you now have an interest in Asperger's syndrome, take a look at the documentary I linked to here (the relevant section starts about 3 minutes into the programme but is returned to several times during the show) - Cameron, the teenage lad with Aspergers exhibits some very aggressive/threatening behaviour yet in my personal experience those traits aren't the norm with Aspergers sufferers. Does that mean he/they don't really have the condition or that he has it worse or possibly has other issues layered within his personality which account for the aggression etc.?

In this terrible case neither you or I know the answer to these questions so we must leave it to the experts in such fields to ascertain as many of the facts as possible and I would fully support appropriate custodial means by which to treat his issues and keep the public safe.

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My understanding of autism is that sufferers can become agitated if their routine or some other thing is disrupted, but they don't tend to seek out the attention of other people, as the offender did in this case. That is what makes me suspicious of a diagnosis of Asperger's.

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I've come across many autism sufferers and, as stated in my last post, the range of expression of the condition is huge and the behaviour swings can be sudden and pronounced. I know a little autistic lad who for years was so badly affected by his obssession with routine that he wouldn't get on the school bus without a certain routine first and would become extremely agitated if any part of the routine was out of place. With a lot of help, he's now overcome that impediment. On the other hand I've met far more autistic children who don't suffer in that manner and who appreciate routine but are not fixated by it. There are children with autism related diagnoses who live almost in a world of their own yet I've come across others for whom the physical contact/social etiquette aspects of the condition are minimal by comparison.

I should add that, in my experience, diagnoses of Aspergers and autism are not easily obtainable and whilst the terms may be casually bandied around in newspapers and discussions, that's not the same as having a diagnosis. The whole subject is extremely complex and if this lad has a diagnosis it will be documented and will have come about after a whole series of tests and observations by teams of experts in various fields over a good period of time.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

You continue to show your complete ignorance of the subject. I think you should quit whilst your are ahead.

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There's a good round of the, quite frankly, baffling judgements previously made the judge in the rapist case here:

http://pcbloggs.blogspot.com/2009/11...gain-oops.html

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Once again, Gary, you make no sense.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Nobody else thinks that. have you tried reading it slower? :shrug:

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

On what do you base that assertion?

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Gah! No. Fricking. Way!

http://www.harlowstar.co.uk/harlowst....asp?ID=459627

Oh it gets better.

Ooh that sends out a message that crime doesn't pay.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

All down to him coughing up to the previous 645.

if they were all 645 rapes he'd probably get a new identity thrown in.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Err...this is a very old story. I think there is a thread about this on CF already, from months ago.

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Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Via smuggled-in mobile phones and even during 'closely supervised' internet access:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...nts-jack-straw

:mad:

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

I still don't understand why they don't install mobile phone jammers inside jails. I'm sure they could be sited to avoid issues with surrounding houses.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Perhaps the tough talking but ineffectual Jack Straw could explain... :rolleyes:

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The cost?

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I can understand they can't just blanket the area with jammers seeing so many jails have housing nearby but I can't accept its not possible to jam at least the majority of the cells.

Jammers aren't exactly the most expensive pieces of kit and would at a stroke turn most of the smuggled in phones into expensive suppositories.

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Don't think so. You can pick them up fairly cheaply.

http://www.direct-gadget.com/Scripts...p?idproduct=20

$99 for the first link on google, I'm pretty sure even with the deeply useless public service contract negotiations they could get a similar or cheaper price for buying in bulk.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Could they affect the prison service's own security though? I know you guys use mobiles a lot, do the guards have a similar system?

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Police radios work on a different frequency to mobiles. No idea about prison radios. I would imagine they would be well away from the mobile phone frequencies as well.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

What I mean is the police around here use mobiles as well as radios, just wondering if the prison service use them too. Maybe some prisons are close to public buildings and areas where mobile signal blockers could affect civvies too?

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Certainly Barlinnie and Greenock prison are right next to housing and I'd imagine others are as well. Even so I think they could arrange the jammers in such a way as to avoid leakage outwith the walls of the prison. Even if not all the cells were covered having the majority jammed would be better than nothing.

We don't really use mobile for work purposes but I have seen other forces using them. Dunno about the prison service but I can't think of any reason why a prison guard would need them. Having a radio with one button to press seems far safer than typing in a number and waiting for it to ring.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

of course they could take mobiles and computers away ,lock them in the cells and maybe treat the place like prison:shrug:

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Maybe a better way of doing this would be to make the prison a Faraday cage.

That way you don't have to disrupt phone signals for civvies but it means no signals will go in and out of the prison. However it means radios and such will work inside within the prison. How often does a guard need a radio to contact outside the prison? If there are sentrys then they can be hard wired.

There is a cost to this but it means the prisoners can't switch to radios with some guy in the back of a van near the prison receiving the transmissions.

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I just don't get it though, it seems like such a good idea as well as being relatively low-cost, there must be some legit reason why it's not been adopted. I don't see any negative spin the government could put on it.

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Dont be fooled we do keep the majority locked up and any so called luxuries like tv's in cells are there to keep them quiet due to a lack of staff. Prisons like everything else in this country are done on the cheap.

Tidball told MPs on Wednesday that he and his colleagues will be locking prisoners up "for more hours than they were in 1969".

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...nsandprobation

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No idea. It is currently illegal to operate these devices in the UK but I can't see it being too difficult to find a loophole or amend the law to allow them to be used in prisons and custody suites.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

The way to beat all this problem. is to take away ALL computors and mobiles from prison, and if these computors have to be used for classes for example, then get in a wizard on computors to block anything like facebook etc.

In prisons up and down the ground, they are like holiday camps, when you go prison, it is for punishment of the crime, not go to Butlins.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

My sister and brother in law are prison officers Nr Doncaster, they tell me that mobiles are not permitted to be takin into the prison by prison officers.

Apparently alot of the phones are simply thrown over the wall to the prisoners by "well-wishers" aka relatives/cohorts etc.:erm:

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Are you sure that any of the computers prisoners use have internet access?

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Didn't this story start a few days ago accusing Jack Straw of trying to prevent Facebook from allowing nasty messages being posted. If I remember rightly a lot of people were saying that he shouldn't do that, because it was government interference and "Nanny State". Now, of course, when the true nature of the proposal is brought to light, it seems a good idea. That's odd, isn't it?

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I am sure there are uni directional mobile jammers now i believe the US military uses them in their penal system. Lets be honest this is a ridiculous problem to be having it really is and will further fuel the anger many have in relation to our prison system. It is simple really make walls that high you cannot just throw them over although personally surely guards walk the perimeter and therefore should be able to stop that.

Or failing all that make them all go through a scanner of some sort that will detect any phones not handed over and add time to any convict who has a friend\relative trying to smuggle one in. Also making that a criminal offence would be good and i bet if people thought they could join said friend\relative for a one to one chat in a cell if they try it many will decide against it. As for computers in prisons yeah ok i can see the need to train those that want too but they should not have unrestricted internet access and that is something that can be sorted quite easily..

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

You'd have to take that up with them.

Yes and it is a good idea but so's the idea of preventing the use of mobile phones etc. in our prisons - especially the high security ones. It'd have been even better, however, if these people hadn't been allowed to do it right under the noses of Jack Straw and the prison authorities in the first place wouldn't you say? Hence the reason for the OP and the subject and this thread dedicated to New Labour's tough talking and abject failure to deliver on so many of their promises.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

I thought the punishment of a prison sentence was to take away the freedoms of the convicted? Phones, Computers, Games Consoles, TV's Etc etc. Some of them are living the life of Riley. No wonder they re-offend!

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

If these means of communication are successfully prevented, don't you think they will find other ways. Prisoners have been able to communicate with the outside world for centuries. How do you think they did it before the advent of mobile telephony?

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Have you ever been inside a prison?

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

well yes i agree to an extent ,but we shouldn't be making things this easy for them

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Innocent law abiding people should have all the convinience of modern living not those found guilty of crimes and sent to prison. This is a problem and has to be sorted out and the growth of the internet is not something that a ******* in prison should be able to use to further intimidate or harass their victims.

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Not yet, but I'm very close to a few people who have been, and some who still are.

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Yes they may well find alternatives but that's hardly an argument for allowing them to carry on doing what they currently are is it - especially when you've talked as tough as Jack Straw and the succession of ineffectual Home Secretaries have over the years...

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Please point to where I said that it was alright for them to use mobile phones.

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Have you told them about their lives of Reilly?

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Please point out where I said that you'd said that. I couldn't care less what you think - what Jack Straw thinks, says and does/doesn't do is of far more concern to me.

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

are you serious
,one bloke i know and still know very well was known as a "listener" because he had been in before ,new the score and could show all the new prisoners how "the system works" he had a nice little setee in his cell served 2 years of a nine year sentance and spent the third on home leave at the weekends bangin his girlfriend

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Perhaps when you wrote this?

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

yeah, I'm always banging on about it. I keep telling them if things start to get tough for me, I'll be in there like a shot. Not a bad move, getting looked after for a couple of years. Learn a trade, get fit, fed and bed. No bills to pay, plus get a nice wad of cash to help me out once I've been released, not to mention all the free help and support I'll be offered.

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

I'd suggest a night course or something to learn a trade rather than prison, people in prison aren't generally know for their honesty and they might just be fibbing to you about how cushy they have it, either that or they'd better start praying they don't get moved.

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

I am sure you will get a lot of support - especially if you have a purty mouth......;)

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

No, I'm one hell of an ugly bloke.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

I know a number of serving prison officers who all say that life within the prison is way too lenient and that far to much accomadation is made to prisoner needs. Most local residents can also recollect a number of occasions where prisoners rioted because food wasn't upto their standard trashed the place and a nice convoy of trucks was taking brand new stuff there within a few days.

This government talked a lot about many things and havn't delivered anywhere near what they said so why we're surprised about crime is a bit of a mystery.

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

It's OK, they won't be looking at your face - just the top of your head or your back.....:shocked:

Re: Prison inmates bullying their victims
 

Bring it on! :kiss:

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

I also know one or two prison officers who think that allowing prisoners food and water is treating them too leniently. Perhaps they are a little bit jaded.

Re: "Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime"
 

Perhaps a bit far. Anyway in a totally unscientific and unregulated test how about you guess which two prisons in Scotland have the worst problems with inmate disorder and riots.

Then guess which two prisons in Scotland are run by private companies and which two have the laxest regimes outwith open prisons.

Ten points if you answer the same to all three questions. -one million and nine hundred thousand if the answers are different.

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Actually flyboy although i know you won't believe it they all would prefer good conditions for prisoners they just do not like the fact that for many of these prisoners life on the inside is significantly better then the life they bother to build for themselves on the outside. This is not about abuse of prisoners it is about punishment actually happening and very often in todays penal system that isn't the case.

Bar one of the officers they are all what i would class as liberal thinking and more leaning towards the whole prison is for rehabilitation then punishment side of things so when even they complain about how the system is too much in the favour of prisoners i know they are not being as forthcoming as most would be.

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I am sure that you could have provided us with this information.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/m...er/8524834.stm

New Labour - sooooo tough on crime.... :rolleyes:

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Cameron will sort it all out :D his absolutley marvelous

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Will you give him 13 years to do so?.. I mean it's taken New Labour that long to get to this point so surely you should at least give our next goverment an equivalent timescale before judging them...

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Well someone needs to because Brown has failed miserably:D