Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
 

No, the middle ages are the time when the broad mind and the narrow waist change places. ;)

Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
 

Well the bishop is a nutjob simple as if he really believe's that. Anyone that supports his views might also want to seek immediate psychiatrict help as well. Too much rain and building on flood plains are the reason nothing devine for the problem.

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Surely you utterly condemn this bishop's assertion that pro-gay laws have caused God to invoke his wrath though?

Hmmm...

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Sorry, I make a habit of trying not to answer loaded questions. I've said all I'm going to say on the subject, and I think that's plenty for you to work out for yourself what I believe. You could always go and search the forum for my posts on religious subjects in other threads if you like though, there are rather a lot of them.

That is, if you're genuinely interested in an exchange of views as opposed to word games.

If you're going to try to make someone look like they are contradicting themselves, it's normally considered polite to have due regard for context ... and, for that matter, whether the two quotes you pick out of are even talking about the same thing. ;)

Incidentally, I've done a Coggy and unsubscribed from this thread. :)

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Hey, fair enough, that's your prerogative. You don't have to answer anything you don't want to. I'm a bit puzzled as to why you won't though. If you disagree with homosexual sex at least have the courage of your convictions and come out and say so. If I'm reading your reluctance to reply incorrectly then I apologise.


I'm sorry, how were those two quotes out of context? How about these two then?

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Chris doesn't have to give his opinion here seeing as he (and I) have done it countless times here in the past and neither of use feel like going over old ground.

What's wrong with them? One is clearly stated in the Bible, the other is Chris' opinion.

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Of course he doesn't have to give his opinion. However, as this is a public message board, I'm entitled to ask for it. How about you, are you prepared to give an answer?

I'm not 100% sure which is which to be honest. I assume this first quote (now in it's entirety) is the one you say is clearly stated in the bible?

It certainly sounds like his opinion to me.

Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
 

Depends on the question.

Chris has put what is written in the Bible in his own words I believe.

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The question is, as in post 203, 'Surely you utterly condemn this bishop's assertion that pro-gay laws have caused God to invoke his wrath though?'

I think that probably makes it his opinion then!

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As Chris says, a loaded question.

I don't claim to know the mind of God so I can't say for certain but if He is showing His wrath in this way then I believe it would be for many reasons, not just one.

Really? I'd say it's Chris "putting the sweets on the lowest shelf" so to speak.

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Ok if you don't want to answer then fair enough.

I don't understand what you're saying. How does Chris T putting the Bible in his own words not mean it's his opinion but that he's 'putting the sweets on the lowest shelf'?

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What you mean is you didn't get the answer you wanted. I gave you my answer.

Instead of simply quoting scripture word-for-word, Chris seems to have put the same message in his own words to make it a little easier to understand.

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The question was:

'Surely you utterly condemn this bishop's assertion that pro-gay laws have caused God to invoke his wrath though?'

Your answer was:

As I said to Chris T earlier, please have the courage of your convictions - if you think gay sex is wrong then just say so.


So it's no longer 'clearly stated in the Bible'?

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You're not making much of an effort to hide the fact your question is loaded. Originally it was....

You said nothing about gay sex. It quite clearly states 'pro-gay laws' which is quite different.

No it still is however some people in the past seem to be unable to take in context what is written there so I believe Chris simplified what is in scripture to make it a little more universal in understanding.

By the way I have to make it clear that I'm not speaking on behalf of Chris - I'm only saying what I believe his point is. For clarification you'll need to ask him yourself.

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Well you'd have to assume gay people are going to have sex surely? However, I'll state the question again in terms that presumably even you won't be able to avoid: Is it possible for people who have had penetrative homosexual sex to go to what you regard as heaven?

Fair enough, I imagine Chris T is quite capable of answering for himself!

Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
 

Perhaps, but that's not what you asked.

I'd have to say yes.

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Good answer!

And I'd add, if that's your position (you and Chris T), why do you not just say so instead of implying you're homophobic?

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I find it completely unbelievable we are talking about "god's wrath" in this day and age surely we have progressed beyond the religious scare tactic's of old. As to entry to heaven for those that believe in it if being a good person in life is not enough to get you in then tbh heaven can't be that great a place to be.

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Neither Chris or I have ever implied we're homophobic however if someone has a particular agenda then I'm sure they'll try and read whatever they want in to our responses.

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I assure you I haven't got an 'agenda' - for the record I was quite gratified to hear you say that practicing homosexuals can go to heaven, you went up substantially in my opinion for that.

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It's unlikely, but not impossible presumably that Hitler went to heaven?

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Let's not go down that route of discussion :D This lot have argued enough as it is, over what (I think) was meant to be a light-hearted thread, of little substance. No one really cares what some old farts with a penchant for choirboys have to say.

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I think people have been arguing about the arrogance of religion and the way it feels it can take something that affected many good people and turn it into a judgement. I mean it was way too simple for it to have just been down to a bad decision to allow building on flood plains no it had to be gods judgement.

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Apologies in advance to all / any of those who hold deeply religious based opinions on this matter - but I'd like to make it absolutely clear that whilst I have no wish, whatsoever, to cause offence to any particular religious grouping I do think it worth noting that I am allowed up later than RizzyKing.

Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
 

You are up late mind you :D Geek :erm: :D :angel:

Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
 

and on that note .... perhaps the floods are a judjement on said old farts with a penchant for choire boys, and the rest of society has to suffer for there sins, perhaps one of the believers can ask there god , i would ask myself but you still get bunged in a straight jacket around here for talking to your invisible friends, i find it verry disturbing the way some people quote "gods"will ( bassed on what exactly , a book of dubious heritage and the rantings of those who seem to abstaine from everything enjoyable in life)oh yes if you havent guessed i'm a non believer

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Really :eek:

Re: Floods are a judgement on society, say bishops
 

Whoda thunk.....;)

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Gay clergy to be banned in Synod deal

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However, a ray of hope at the end of the article (imho) -
"Tim Cox, from Blackburn, argued that the covenant should be strengthened to reaffirm traditional teaching that sex should only occur within heterosexual marriage.
However, his amendment was overwhelmingly rejected, and the Synod instead agreed to allow the Archbishops of Canterbury and York to respond to the draft covenant by the end of the year."