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bit o/t (well a lot but i'm bored now ;-) ) but if we had the death penalty stefan kisko would be dead and 31 years later someone else wouldn't have been arrested on suspicion of murder: http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/cri...cle1959045.ece

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ps. if the un deems the invasion of iraq as illegal, are deaths caused by it war crimes or just ordinary crimes because an illegal war isnt a war but an act of terrorism? all very confusing.

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Interesting that the coalition haven't been brought up on this "illegal" activity don't you think? ;)

With the breach of the UN resolutions, the ceasfire at the end of GW1 is negated so that war started up again.
Therefore the war itself was not illegal.

Incidently, remind us again how that march you hold so dear would have removed Saddam from power if it had been successful?

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Post #192 sentence three specifically elaborates on the demoralizing comment which I made.

"If what Ms Beckett was saying had an ounce of truth about it then you can rest assured that those coalition forces who have witnessed the harder edge of Iraqi justice first hand would think twice the next time they pick up a weapon about what, if any, immunity they might be afforded in the event that they are accused of such crimes."

Nowhere, despite the phrasing of your question which brought about the above answer did I "..suggest(ed) that her statement that its right that Saddam should face Iraqi justice will demoralise our troops".

Her statement was ""It is right that those accused of such crimes against the Iraqi people* should face Iraqi justice."

* therein there is no specific reference to Saddam Hussein. One can therefore assume that "those accused", in much the same way as the royal "we" is employed, would encompass all of "those accused".

Order 17 was an agreement brought about under the auspices of the Coalition Provisional Authority (no longer an executive power since the formation of the Government). Since July the Iraqi national security adviser Mowaffaq al-Rubaie has been voiciferous in his objection to the continuance of Order 17 and has stated "There is no way we can accept CPA Order 17 anymore." His argument, which has been gaining creedence in the Iraqi parliament over the last three months, is that Iraqi justice cannot be seen to be fair and impartial for Iraqis when coalition troops are afforded the comfort blanket of their own national justice system in preference to same . Hardly a rocket science debate.

Beckett's comment has thrown fuel on an already smouldering fire of discontent amongst ordinary Iraqis, security personnel and parliamentarians.

I am already hearing that there have been requests for clarification from quarters much closer to the conflict than us (hence my posting on the matter).

As I said, I'm done with this.

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Its catch-22.

If you say the Iraqis shouldn't have their own way, then you're enforcing your own values on them which apparently is why they are p***ed off (nothing to do with a 1,300 year old grudge.)

If you say the Iraqis should have their own way, then you're barbaric and medieval.

Either way, you're screwed. Must check The Guardian at some point to see which way I am supposed to think.

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Which was reported in the quote from Ramrod as in response to the fact that Saddam has been sentanced to death, therein a specific reference to Saddam and therefore the crimes he has been accused of.

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You spend WAYYYYY to much time thinking about this stuff.

Evil Man, soon to be dead man. Simple! :D

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Xaccers, do you not think she could just as easily have opted for your version and said "It is right that Saddam Hussein, accused of such crimes against the Iraqi people, should face Iraqi justice."

The fact is she didn't - and people on the ground in the thick of operations want to know why, exactly.

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Perhaps because it was easier to put it the way she did than name the individuals in saddam's regime who are also being tried, along with their individual charges?

Write to her and find out for them, although I suggest you don't use the title I gave her, MP of incompetence might make your correspondance go astray as there are so many in the goverment who could answer to that title!

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I must need my head testing for wading in on this... But my interpretation of it is that she was referring to others in the Saddam administration who were complicit in the human rights abuses. Posthumous charges for his sons, charges for generals and below, etc.

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you'll be confused. they tend to publish a range of pro and anti war commentaries ;-)

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Right, so now we're agreed it's not specifically "therein a specific reference to Saddam and therefore the crimes he has been accused of" but a select (undetermined and unnamed by Mrs Beckett) grouping?

I'll save the writing to her for a while yet - she seems to be having trouble enough with her spoken english without me compounding her misery.;-)

Punky, there's no harm in wading in at all. I'm merely contending, based on the facts available to me, that this "faux pas", if indeed that is all that it is / was, is causing some very considerable consternation and worry among troops and contractors currently serving in Iraq.

I'm away.

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You aren't the first person to say that, but I still don't really believe it. I've done another search on their site, but nothing obvious comes up.

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Usually in their opinion sections. I find the guardian quite good and balanced actually. Its the Inderpendent which is so incredibly biased. Really unfair front pages as well, In the summer they had a interview with a mum of a dead solider and she was saying how he didnt want to go to war so the headline was (something like: )

"I dont want to go kill those children" (children i guess being the youngish terrorists, around 15 as opposed to 5 or what have you, but still)

****ed me right off, He joined the army so he goes where the government sends him and the paper chose the most emotional part of the interview

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Interesting comment from the excellent Medialens on the press response to Saddam's trial.

LINK

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Just had a breaking news thingie from CNN news, he's going to be executed today.

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Hooray!! for democracy, justice and the "rule of law" etc etc etc.

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What you been doing all day YESTERDAY?They have been going on about it all of Friday...very tedious it's been too.They have interviewed everyone about it including his defence lawyer.Everyone's been very cagey about it.The US still have him, the Iraqis have him ,his personal effects are available to his solicitor,it's anytime in the next month,it's today(friday) it's in the next 24 hours,the papers are ready......

What is it about 24 hours news?they have to invent new forms of hyperbole because they cannot stop trying to be more and more exciting, unfortunately they just end up making news dull and tedious through repitition.:rolleyes:

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Erm because I don't watch that much television at the moment and when I do I don't normally watch the news.

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Sorry for being brusque but the media just seem to have gone overboard on this one item.At least there is no danger of them affecting the outcome unlike all the speculating about the Suffolk murders.:)

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Just heard on news he has been executed

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ok so they've got rid of the head honcho if the news is to be believed, but what about all the others?
im sure saddam didnt personally authorise all of the killings that went on, he wouldnt have any time to enjoy his many wives or the shiny gold bathrooms.
do the people in his administration get the same treatment or do they get a lesser sentance beacause they were acting in his name?

im not calling for a witchunt of anyone that ever knew him to executed but clearly his government should be investigated and treated in the same way?

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BBC News website is announcing that he has been hanged. May well make him a martyr - pin-up for all the Middle Eastern nutters.

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They could keep him locked up for ever. It's barbaric to hang a man.

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bit of a moot point in this case now....

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:eek:

BBC News have just shown a clip of him being put in the gallows :erm:

He looks so calm....

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Its barbaric to gas children but he did it.

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A man desperately in need of putting down, good riddance. Shame they didn't just throw a grenade into the hole he was hiding in...

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Indeed.

He was given more than he gave to any of the thousands of victims. He will get a marked grave = more than some of his victims. His death will be fairly quick = more than most of his victims. His family will know what happened to him = more than most of his victims families.

I will not share a tear for the barbaric monster unlike the hand wringing do gooders who would have seen him go unpunished.

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So we're equal now?

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Going to start with the hand wringing are we ?.

Yes i think we are equal. Eye for an Eye, Tooth for a Tooth seen that before have we by any chance ?

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Bill, I don't think there's a "do gooder" on earth who didn't think he deserved to be punished.

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Whats the betting someone comes along and makes you eat your words :) , Its got to happen :LOL:.

Trust me if you say it they will come :)

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Not sure what 'hand wringing' is (and also cheers for the subtle and uncalled for dig there) but your previous comment made it sound like we are on terms with people like Saddam when it comes to killing people. Apologies if I misunderstood but you make it sound like you support death if you can justify it (ie hanging a killer like Saddam). Fine, and I'm sure that in some twisted way, Saddam and his supporters can justify the deaths they were responsible for.

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The man was barbaric. Its a fitting end in my eyes that he dies with the same sort of barbarism as he saw fit to unleash on his victims. I felt it was justified and i bet i am not the only one on this forum that thinks that way.

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There's no question that he was barbaric. But if you're going to be the one to bring the 'eye for an eye' argument in to this, do you really consider hanging to be 'barbaric'?

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Saddam deserved to be punished for all the evil things he did - so we show it is wrong to kill people by killing someone.

It's as if the New Testament never happened.......

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Barbaric no, the only probable outcome from the "trial" ... yes. The think that will bring peace to Iraq...... not at all. Saddam is dead, many will rejoice but there will also be many that see it as a reason to step up the violence again.
The winner in all this........ the media and the weapons manufacturers :(

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I just think he was badly in need of being put down......much like pol pot, hitler stalin etc...


I'm now waiting for the inevitable conspiracy theories to start up: 'saddam not really executed.....had plastic surgery and is living in south america....etc....' :D

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Not in the way it was done. He would just have strung someone up and let them die by strangulation very slowly over anything up to 30 Min's. The way his executioner did it made sure it was quick, Something Saddam would not have allowed his victims.

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Well funny you should say that but the bloke that lives next door looks a bit dubious........ wait a minute :Yikes:
Lets face it the unadulterated video will no doubt make it onto a few websites and youtube ;)

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I bet if I said something like that I'd be accused of 'bringing my religion' in to it. Hypocrasy rules OK.

True. So going on the earlier 'eye for an eye' comment, there's no way Bill can claim to be 'equal' in all this, seeing as he didn't die with "the same sort of barbarism as he saw fit to unleash on his victims".

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:LOL:

Give it a week and he will be said to have opened a restaurant in London selling Iraqi food.

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Yes, I don't see how the state killing someone for their crimes is much different to killing someone for murder, what message are they sending out here, this is how strong Iraqi justice is or meet the new boss, same as the old boss, especially as if what some of the reports are saying is true the whole trial is a bit of a sham.

I see the muppet Bush saying it was a great day for justice and exiled Iraqi calling for us all to celebrate, well tbh I don't find much joy in someone's death even if they are a monster and I certainly don't think it very appropriate for someone who calls themselves a Christian to say its a great day, mind you this is the bloke who 'doesn't regret a single death sentence I (Bush) signed'

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Spot on mate!

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The execution video if i recall correctly is on Sky's website (http://www.sky.com/news)

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I'm sure the full version will find its way to the web soon enough..

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Phew! and there was me thinking you were either going to remove my post for linking to it (although it doesnt actually show his execution) or close the thread. :)

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Not really, if it's fit enough to be shown on tv then generally it's ok for CF.

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.....and I won't be watching it...

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Oooh i will, i'm sick like that:disturbd::shocked::D

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it doesn't show you much, just him getting the rope round his neck, thats it, I bet his masked hangmen, all apologised all the way through it.

ik

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Will hanging him improve matters? I dont think so.
How about all the innocent people killed by joint bombing by america and britain? are we to see bush/blair led to the gallows? unfortunately not :(

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flawed trial......however killing him has achieved???? so hes dead what now ? we know civil war has been happening for a while now in iraq, this will just inflame things even further, bring more hatred towards western countries...

im not going to blame people (civillians) for the backlash, on the news all you hear is crimes against humanity, but clear cut evidence, i have not read any, personally, its ok saying hes charged with this and that but real credible evidence ?

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the 600,000+ most of which are children :(

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I heard on the news that he had a 'dignified end', so even then he was really sticking two fingers up at the world, would of been better if he had gone out crying like a girl

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what would that achieve, he has had so long time to think about his impending death he proberbly got used to the idea, they made him wait, he didnt sweat, it seems you like to see humans suffer, i am aware of what hes done, but certain statements in this thread have made me sick, in the end whatever happened to him doesent hide that the fact that if he did do what we are told he has done then nothing is really going to change, the people he has supposedly killed are not going to come back are they ?

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Dont know much about personality cults then? Sadam already had a pretty strong one, his manner of death will only strengthen it further.

As for the rest of that drivel about me 'liking to see people suffer' I'll just just refer you to my previous posts on this subject and the death penalty in general and wonder what you hope to achieve by insulting others

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personality cults ? not quite what i made reference to but having said previously 'what will it achieve' no answer....

i never insulted anyone read my post again, some comments are percieved as seeing the pleasure of a man go down being hanged.

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I was referring to the manner of his death, if they had to hang him at all better he went screaming and crying than with dignity as it will strengthen his personality cult

And you did insult me when you said this, you like to see humans suffer

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He looked totally broken and confused going to the gallows........seemed to be playing close attention to the executor :sleep:

Tables totally reversed !!!!

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Are you saying that he has not done any of the things that he was found guilty of doing ?

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But that's like saying you can't arrest and jail someone for kidnapping because that will also be hypocritical.

Its not a great day because of the execution, its a great day because Iraqis have dealth with it themselves. They wanted hanging, and that's what they got. If Saddam was tried at the ICC and given a life sentence, particuarlly at the behest of any coalition country, it will mean lefties would claim its another example of hegemony. That's the good thing about being on the left, no matter what happens, you're always in the right.

You also say you aren't happy, however, there are plenty of Iraqis, who both escaped or survived Saddam who say they are very happy, I don't think I behgrudge them that.

Also, Saddam has no followers. Saddam oppressed the Sunnis like he opressed everyone else. They are just bloodthirsty sickos who are using Saddam as an excuse.

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,240117,00.html

A vid on here of his body apparently

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That's the good thing about being in denial, you can define an individual as a threat to the West and then once he's been hung state he has no followers, no matter what happens, you're always in the right.

Either way it's all fine and dandy now, Iraqis are dancing in the streets exchanging flowers and kisses and the coalition forces will be home on Wednesday.

Oh, wait...

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Surely the death penalty has no place in civilised society, to execute people for their crimes makes the state no better than than the killer they are prosecuting imo, why run the risk of turning him into a martyr, not that I think he will, however he would have been guaranteed not to be if he had been locked away for the rest of his days

Of course there are already some that are saying the Iraqi's didn't deal with it them themselves and that they got their hanging through forgoing due process

Saddam had no followers, I beg to differ there a lot of people did very well out of his rule and the Americans have already said they expect an increase in violence because of this, so yet more innocent people are going to die because of him

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Will have to find some other video to leak then :naughty: :Sprint:


:)

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Exactly! Top post! :tu:

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Not sure about that, there will always be people who need to be executed. We are happy enough to put down rabid dogs :shrug:

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Both true, but they are separate issues. The point I address specifically is that the logic hypocrisy of capital punishment follows to hypocrisy in all justice.

I beg to differ mate. The court was Iraqi, the judge was Iraqi, the person who signed his death warrant was Iraqi, the witnesses were Iraqi, and it was held outside the green zone, in a (presumably) Iraqi-controlled area.

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Wasn't he held and executed in the very Iraqi sounding Camp Justice

Interestingly enough though I have just seen a BBC report that states no foreigners were present at the execution, that isn't what was said on U.S. tv last night, so who knows, I hope you are right although weren't there several flaws with the trial about the presumption of guilt and allowing the defence council to cross examine?

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Dead or alive he is still always going to be a martyr to some.

Whatever had been decided in the way of sentencing would have upset and annoyed some.

He would always be a focus for the malcontents if he was still alive just as he will be now he is dead.

The only thing that has been gained is that the Iraqi nation will see that they can make and decide what the laws will be in their own country and that they can take command of where they will now go as a nation.This will hopefully give them the confidence that they can make it as a unified country provided they can learn to stand up to those of Saddam's ilk who are at present trying to undermine the country's and people's confidence in themselves.

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Even the commander of the US forces is an Arab...they Iraqis should be thankful, one of their own commands the almighty army that screws them ;)

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:tu:

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I'd just like to know why the Foreign Secretary is seemingly fine to acknowledge the process of somebody who has been lawfully killed by a state, when this country has a firm policy against capital punishment?

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Presumably because he wasn't tried and punished in this country.

Even if the criminal was a British citizen then

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I certainly don't think bad of him for being glad he is dead, if there is anything good that comes out of execution it is that perhaps the victims may find a form of closure

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A Shiite country. A mate of mine is over there at the moment with the Marines. Glad the ****ers dead to be honest and it`s called Retribution.
What goes around, comes around.:tu:

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Both Bush and Blair are distancing themselves from the execution in an attempt to make this appear to be a strictly Iraqi affair. After all, the deposing and bringing to justice of Hussein was supposedly one of the key motives for the invasion of Iraq (along with other things). Now they have achieved and facilitated that aim they are keen to get out of Iraq asap. The problem, of course, being that they appear to have no clue whatsoever how to do so. They have created a monster and it remains to be seen how, if at all, they can get the lid back on Pandoras box.

Saddam deserved to be punished for his crimes - of that there is no doubt. Perhaps (a particularly public) death wasn't the smartest move to reflect a new democracy but the means justified the end. Let's not delude ourselves into believing this is some sort of manifestation of impartial democracy - it's anything but.

Two prime fact(or)s are that the trial judge was a Kurd who had lost relatives in the incident for which Hussein was found guilty, hardly a stoic basis for impartiality. Al-Maliki lived in exile for many years under a death threat courtesy of Hussein - again hardly a sound basis to suggest impartiality.

Either way he is dead but the suicide bombings and all the other madness still remain. It will be interesting to see if the trial for the gassing of the Kurds proceeds (conveniently without his damning testimony - obviously).

I'm a great believer in, and advocate of, civilized democracy but there's something telling in Russ's earlier post regarding the posting of links to any video footage of the actual hanging. With true democracy comes responsibility. If true Iraqi democracy entails the public broadcasting of an execution (of anybody) then, frankly, it's a democracy I can do without supporting.

My thoughts are with the widows, fathers, mothers, brothers and sisters of the servicemen and women who have lost their lives in exchange for a 30 second clip of morbid sensationalism being streamed around the world. I'm sure it's no comfort, whatsoever, for them - particularly at this time of year.

As granny Angry would often say "Two wrongs don't make spilt milk" - or something.

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Cool, they'll all be back tomorrow then won't they?
Oh wait, you're wrong again and trivialising their deaths, nice.

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I am entitled to direct my sentiments to whomsoever I please. You, however, are not entitled to belittle those sentiments and I'd thank you to keep your snide remarks for your own, bizarre, amusement.

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I dont think Mr Angry is trivalising their deaths at all. Most peopel would agree that now that this war/invasion was primarily about regime change, and getting rid of Saddam.

If anyone has trivalised the deaths of service men and women then it is the governments of this country and the US for sending them to war under false pretenses.

The fact that they're still there in my opinion is that they've made such a cock up of the whole thing that they(Bush & Blair) need to stay to save face.

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:tu: i'd rep you but i need to spread my love around first. Who wants a cuddle then?

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But those deaths have nothng to do with a 30 sec clip :confused:
You may as well infer a link between the increase intelevision viewing and the decline in slavery......

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So, bearing in mind what Saddam was doing to large sections of the population, that the provisional government in Iraq does not currently (AFAIK) have enough resources or infrastructure to be able to run the country (and, as has been proved this week, cannot neccesarily trust the infrastructure they do have), and without help, the government is likely to collapse leading to anarchy (although that seems to be a good description of what is going on anyway), what do you suggest we do?

The Iraqis are suffering at the moment. I suspect if we left, that suffering would be a lot worse.

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Indeed.
Suggesting that their deaths was to get a 30 second clip certainly trivialises the loss of life on all sides.

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I don't think Iraq can be helped. By far the most common form of violence there is Iraqi-on-Iraqi, usually Sunni-on-shiite.

It took something like Saddam's regime to suppress the public sufficiently. That obviously can't be repeated. The only people that can stop that are themselves. The decreasing majority of peaceful, exasperated Iraqis that need to stand up against the increasing majority that want to kill over a 1,300 year old grudge and/or oil/territory rights.

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I'm speaking from a personal perspective which I know I am not alone in holding.

Here is a quote from Tony Blair's address to the UK population on Thursday March 20th 2003.

"On Tuesday night I gave the order for British forces to take part in military action in Iraq. Tonight British servicemen and women are engaged from air, land and sea. Their mission: to remove Saddam Hussein from power, and disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction."

Notwithstanding the total lack of WMDs being discovered Hussein was effectively removed from power on April 10th 2003. He was then captured on December 13th 2003.

Servicemen and women who have died post December 13th, when Hussein was remanded into American custody, have died in circumstances entirely beyond the remit of the stated objective with which they were charged.

The execution of Hussein was the final chapter in his total removal from power and elimination as a threat to anyone. The broadcast of his execution is "job done" as far as his adversaries are concerned.

Anyone who has lost colleagues and friends in this conflict will tell you that they'd much rather have them back than sit and watch constant Sky News re-runs of some despot dictator dangling off the end of a rope no matter how much that might ease the consciences of those who advocated what has become the most farcical, expensive (in human and fiscal terms) and ill prosecuted regime change exercise in modern history .

Gavin is entirely right - Iraq, in it's current state, cannot be helped.

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no what im saying is i have not read/heard any evidence, alot of the media just whip up that he is guilty of this and that such as the mass graves found and the gassing, was all attributed to him as he gave the orders.

thats not an insult, from your comments i thought you did, the way you worded it, however if you dont then thats your perogative.

people who think iraq is a better place without him are in for a suprise, you think the violence in previous times is bad i anticipate more bloodshed by the three warring factions, alot of anger again will be directed at western allies, he should have been kept in jail for the rest of his living life.

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It may only be a 30 second clip of morbid sensationalism to yourself Mr A, but to people less fortunate than yourself, like millions who suffered human rights abuses, like murder and torture, and those who were lucky enough to escape, Iraqi and non-Iraqi alike, I think its rather more them.

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Gavin, I don't doubt that for a second.

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That's a better way of putting it :tu:
But equating this historic achievement to a mere '30 second clip' is to belittle it......a murdering, genocidal tyrant has been given his just deserts and that's something that doesn't happen very often. Perhaps it will be a lesson to any other would-be tyrants waiting in the wings and give them pause for thought......

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Hmmmmm. Bush and Blair ain't exactly tyrants mate. They are "sold outs" . They have no principles, they just give in to anything to hold on to the power...

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lol, I didn't say they were tyrants (idiots, maybe):D

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Erm, well yes, that's usually a good sign of being guilty .... :dozey:

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What about all the thousands of Iraqis killed at the orders of Bush & Blair? do their families get to see their murderers hung as well?

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Do you actually believe that Bush/Blair issued direct orders (or even indirect orders) that Coalition troops should kill "thousand of Iraqis", against the facts that Saddam directly ordered the killings?

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Either way they're still dead & no-one is paying for that crime are they?

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Many Germans were killing in the bombings of Berlin, Dresden etc, should the RAF bombers involved be brought to trial?

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What do you want next, Our troops arrested and charged as well ?

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stop putting words in to my posts :rolleyes: i never said he was not guilty merely questioning evidential claims...

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Really? How can you do that when quote: "have not read/heard any evidence"?

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thats what i mean, i havent, the media doesent really go in to detail, just says hes been convicted of the murders, i suppose digging deeper may help though.