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Can I just mention something:

Where does this say that there will be an unlimited 10Mb product? I read it as a set of up to 10Mb cable products with various allowances plus other unlimited products at different speeds.

Still I've no more idea about any of this than you guys do *shrug*

Sorry to interrupt the speculation anyway :)

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u seem to be very well know on the subject for someone who knows nothing of why people actually want a true unlimited service, nobody wants to be reminded of the good old pay as you go dialup days. Also i doubt it'll be anywhere near £70, i remember the good old days of 1meg BB at £50 with NTL, good how they screwed us over then compared to what can be achieved now, so in theory it should be cheaper

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I know a lot of people lie about there internet uses Im not one of them.If you actually read what ive said you will know that ive been talking about unlimited accounts.Caps are gonna happen like it or not and premium rate will apply to BB no matter what its used for

Im optimistic It would be awesome for a leech like myself if the price stayed £37.99 for unlimited 10 meg

But im also realistic and I know that it wont


75 % of internet leeches lie about there uses

80 % of rediculas statistics are made up

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Another link - http://www.ntl.com/home/10mb/

'The first customers to enter the realms of F1' - rofl :rofl:

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It happens all the time. No matter what NTL offer there will be those that complain. I can bet you now if we offer free broadband at 100 meg with no caps, There would be those here who would complain and say we should pay them, Do the downloading and burning for them, And run them to the computer fair to sell there dvd's.

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well according to the link the tariff prices will not change but unlimited tariffs will be added;)

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Fingers crossed that the unlimited wont cost too much!!!!!

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I'd be quite happy with a unlimited 2mbit package for £24.99, much like what I have now :p

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What about people who want unlimited 10mbit? or wont they offer that service?

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So, reading this, I take it that before the end of this year, I will be upgraded from 3 Mb to 10 Mb, and that my download limit will increase from 30Gb to 75 Gb, but my monthly tariff will still be £37.99 p/month.

Am I reading more into this than I should be? :shrug:

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you can fill the 75 gig on 10 meg in about 22.5 hours what I have now can fill it in 2 days flat

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errmm... excuse me :shocked:

So will we have to pay a flat rate of £38 a month, plus whatever we download. :confused:

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heck, this could even get me back on.... err... no I didn't say that - never... not worth it. lol

I thought that the modems were only capable of 8mb tops?

will that mean new modems for all if its so?

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Yeah, I know that... me too. Although I do download Linux distros... honest! ...I also download a helluva lot more 'evaluation' software too.

What I've been trying to get my head round is whether the 10 Mb / 75 Gb package is going to be priced at £37.99. Dunno why I'm bothered though... might as well just wait and see what happens.

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Good idea:angel:

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I must have read the wrong press statement. :shrug:

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Well if this roll out isn't going to be finished by the end of 2006 there isn't too much to get excited about just yet. By then we'll all be wearing silver suits and communicating telepathically.

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according to Ntl unlimited tier users does not include 10meg line

so looks like if you want unlimted you gotta pay more (possibly) and a slower speed than if you go with a capped 10meg service

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Strange - I knew you were going to type that even before it appeared on the forum .... maybe it's that old Spandau Ballet outfit I'm wearing .... ;)

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well thats certainly disappointing, unlimited services will be below 10mbit :(

so i guess it means the caps will be hard ones instead of the current soft ones.

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I wonder what telewest will do to compete with this? Considering they always beat ntl lol! Prob like 14mbit Uncapped for 50 quid.

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The thing is though, ntl and Telewest are not in direct competition with each other, since you cannot get Telewest services in an ntl area and vice versa - Please also don't forget that there is an expected merger of the two cable giants, just around the corner. :)

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Dream on

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They have been expected to merge for years and nothing has happened....this is nothin different now and telewest and ntl always offer nearly the same services so they WILL upgrade and WILL beat what ntl offer......;)

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Much like the 1.5mbit > 3mbit upgrade I don't know whether to be excited or worried. The extra speed would be nice, but the cap would be horrible (turned out it didn't exist on 3mbit after all). It will be nigh impossible to get the most out of 10mbit, especially since most http connections rarely surpass 1mbit. As people have said before, it's going to be the upstream that matters. It'd be so nice to have 1mbit up and be able to host games of my own/unpopular mods/games. "Hey guys, want to play Tribes?", "But there's no servers anymore", "No problem!".

The 75GB cap is a tad too low for me, it'd probably be alright for 9 out of 12 months a year. My (dodgy, probably inaccurate) mIRC script says this:
18463.46MB in/8657.65MB out (over 1wk 1day 9hrs 2mins 54secs)
Now I have no idea how I got that. 2x SG1 episodes, 2x Atlantis, 2x Galactica, all seeded to just over 1.0 would have given me about 2100MB/2100MB. What the hell is using the rest of the bandwidth? I've been syncing with my webhost several hours a day every day while doing PHP, my brother has been playing Diablo 2, NWN, Tribes Vengeance and more online all the time, and I imagine my dad has been getting his regular fix from theunderdogs. The rest is mostly movie trailers, demos, streaming video, etc. I know that no-one else in the house uses any P2P software since I would have had to sort out the ports. A 75GB cap is just too low for a house of nerds.

From what I can understand from ntl's press release is that £37/3mbit/no real cap will become £37/10mbit/75GB and so on with the other packages. Then we will also have the ability to change to something like £37/5mbit/no cap. Considering how easy it is to change your tariff at the ntl site then they should hopefully be able to offer enough services to suit everyone.

Those of you talking about watercooling your modems; I think your routers may need more of that attention, mine will.

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DOCSIS 3.0, which would likely require a silicon change at the modem and at the CMTS, could offer downstream bandwidth of 200 Mbps per channel, and 100 Mbps per channel upstream. Today, DOCSIS 2.0 delivers up to 40 Mbps down/30 Mbps up. The 3.0 version would give operators enough bandwidth to offer a wide range of IP-based, entertainment-quality media services.

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That really sucks doesn't it, ntl releasing unlimited services but not at 10Mbit, and offering 10Mbit for those who can handle a 'mere' 75GB/month :rolleyes:

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You that good at picking lotto numbers as well if so can you pick me 6 winners for the weekend :)

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But like I said - they are not in direct competition with each other.

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if they offer a 2 meg unlimited i'll happly drop from 3 meg to 2 meg and save some money.

Speed isn't everything you know

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I did when I started...Oh so long ago. :) I didn't really mind and I still don't.It's still a cheaper option than Sky and the phone bills are cheaper than with BT. :)

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Yes when you don't need it and don't value wasting your time downloading.

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[QUOTE=mcmanic]if they offer a 2 meg unlimited i'll happly drop from 3 meg to 2 meg and save some money.

I allready download unlimited on the 2meg so why should you drop from the 3meg:Sprint:

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[QUOTE=Monster Jedi]*waits for the cap letter to reach Monster Jedi

i have been reliably informed that its 'coming soon' :p: ;)

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NTL have come along way from the early days of 512K broadband and I think this is a great step in the right direction, although I must admit that I am a little disappointed with the size of the cap... I guess the only thing to do is to wait and see what the options are. :angel:

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It has come on in leaps and bounds, was quite a sight to see "20x faster than dial-up" and now it's 20x more than 512k which was the norm mere months ago!

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lol... we will need to "purchase" a replacement. errmm why ? its your equipment. Just how much will this replacement cost is what I want to know. :rolleyes:

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OK, latest from the †œBloke in the Pubââ‚Âà ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ÂÂ�.

ntl are planning on implementing the first wave 10Mb/s (3Mb customers) to undermine the BT 8Mb/s implementation in October, thereby negating the BT publicity.

The first phase will be to test the system suitability especially over the Christmas period when VOD is expected to add extra pressure to the system.

It may be decided to soft cap this first phase initially to provide better figures for judging requirements when other users are moved up to 10Mb/s.

If all goes well over Christmas lower tier customers will be switched over early in the New Year, it is expected that this will be spread over a couple of months with any fine tuning necessary being done area by area.

Finally, the unlimited range will be put on-line later in 2006, a range of speeds will be available uncapped with the top speed being 5Mb/s uncapped. Prices of uncapped 1Mb/s and 2Mb/s will remain as they are at present, the new 5Mb/s uncapped will probably be priced at £37.99 same as the top tier 10Mb/s 75Gig capped product.

The upgrade is being spread out to ensure that there is no degregation of service along the way, ntl are confident that recent upgrades to the system will be able to cope easily with only minor overnight work being required in the odd area.

To increase revenue ntl will be releasing a range of T-shirts and Sweat Shirts imprinted with †œKick @rse with ntl 10Mb/s Broadband" ;) Sorry, made that last bit up :D

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Like it tho :rofl:

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If that bit turns out to be true I'll be very happy :)

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As has already been said we will just have to wait and see what exactly i being offered and sadly this does seem many months of from what I have read so far....

10Mbit is pretty useless at such a low cap....

With the way LLU is unfolding accross the country andf current providers offering 500GB of downloads on a line 2Mbit slower than NTL it makes you wonder why NTL choose to offer 425GB LESS ! !
Also note that the service is £8 cheaper than NTL also.....Makes you wonder what the NTL line will charge if you were to download 500GB to make a comparison to Ukonline....? Obviuosly not everyone can get the full 8MB and perhaps NTL see this as an oportunity to fleece alot of money form those that have no choice than to go with NTL becuase of their distance from the Exchange.......

With BT insistant that they will be able to provide 8MB to most houses anyway sometime this year, it again makes you question NTL's strategy here.
I think NTL need to offer a Higher cap on a Par with ADSL suppliers......

I could use 10Mbit quite easily and would be very happy for it, but at a 75GB cap I doubt I will be going for it becuase I would eat that 75GB in a week no problem.

I am pretty sure I will opt for one of the slower Uncapped tiers which I am hoping will will still be a substantial jump over the 3MB that I currently have Maybe a 7-8Mbit (the current rumoured 5mbit is to slow) line I would be happy with if it were uncapped......

To be Honest the MAIN thing that will make me decide on which tier I go for will be the Upstream increase that is bound to come with this. Better Ping times in online games and being able to upload quicker to FTP's etc will be what I am looking for.


10Mbit with a 75Gb cap is quite silly but like they say....

"There should be something for everyone"

If not there is always BT who will have their 8Mbit live in october hopefully. There will bound to be plenty of Uncapped providers on this, or at least a damn site higher cap than the 75GB.......

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Does any1 know what the upload speeds will be?

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No!

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/article/...ed-as-standard

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Sombody told me it would be 768k. I am not sure if that is true or not....But the person who tole me has never been wrong before.....

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FFS you need anger management Neil urgent, your mouth must be full of heads. :(

I'll put my own coat on thanks.

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You swear at me, & I need anger management?

Errr, yeah....ok.

Okies. :)

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I really hate waiting and we have another half a year to wait! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! lol

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That's good enuff for me but people from U.S.A can get 2MB upload.

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I know everything is speculation but if these figures are anywhere near accurate then what would be the point in anyone signing up to the 10mb tier with a cap when for the same price they can have an unlimited service without having to worry about their usage :shrug: Okay, it may only be 5mbps but does anyone not hitting over 75 gig a month really need a 10mb connection. Sure you can download a service pack in double quick time but so what if you have to wait another 3 minutes :erm: It would only make sense if you were sharing the connection. If ntl were to set their tiers like this then it seems rather backward if you ask me.

I personally think that the 75gb cap is an absolute joke considering that with a 10mb connection you could theoretically download 3000gb and I would only want a 10mb connection for one thing and one thing only, downloading. I think they should follow the example set by ukonline or bulldog and either have a 10mb unlimited service or set the cap to 500gb. Even with my heavy downloading, I think 500gb will be enough...just :)

Unfortunately, nobody knows exactly what is going to happen so I'm not going to worry about it and I will continue with my downloading habits. What I find strange is that it looks like they won't offer the unlimited service until sometime in 2006 and if they start enforcing this 75gb cap then surely they will lose customers...I know I would be one of them.

When the announcement was made it looked promising with an unlimited service being offered but finding out that it may be at a reduced speed has put a bit of a dampner on the whole announcement. What they give with one hand, they taketh with another :erm:

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One also has to look at the details.

Take optusnet from Australia, for example: the rate card quotes AUS$75 (GBP 32) for "unlimited", and AUS$95 (GBP 40) for "unlimited pro".

But AFAICT speed-limiting to 64K kicks in after 12 GB on the "unlimited", and after 20 GB on the "pro" service.

Even compared with the existing ntl services, that's pants.

Harvey

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Thats some info there, 5mbit no limits sounds tasty it must be said, any ideas on the response to going over the cap?

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Shouldn't that of been tested *before* announcing the upgrades? :dozey:

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I have a really funny feeling this thread is gonna run and run and run and go nowhere ;)

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The 75gig cap seems just about right assuming it's per month and not 2.5gig per day. I do a fair bit of downloading but not enough to go over that kind of cap, well not till the BBC start their iMP broadcasts anway :).

Well done NTL I think you've probably set this about right (for once :p).

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Unlimited is unsustainable, for any ISP especially if P2P is involved.

It's like motorways. Make them bigger, they just fill up again and sooner rather than later it's congested again and they start talking about charging for usage.

;)


A year from now, 10Mbps will seem pathetic and people will be demanding 100Mbps, and still everyone will be moaning about caps, traffic shaping, etc ;)...


... but at the end of the day 90% of them will be spending 90% of the time just browsing low bandwidth web sites :D. It's funny how many people complain about "unlimited" and "caps", but don't actually have a use for that much bandwidth ;)

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I think the cap is even though the speed is been upped to 10mb, anyone downloading more than 50gb a month well needs to be looked into, who really needs that many movies, mp3s or applications without been questionned for the legality!

I would be interested to see a slight upload increase maybe to 500kb or more for gaming uses and hosting my own site

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Has that 'bloke down the pub' got any ideas on what the uploads might be? I think that maybe the difference between getting a 5Mbps or a 10Mbps connection...

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If they have different upload speeds for the Unlimited package and then Capped packages then im off....Im not payin more to be ripped off thank you very much!

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Thats at least 2 times you have said your off tonight maybe you need a bath :D

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Would you not be unhappy if ntl gave the capped customers more UPLOAD speed than the unlimited people?

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What is it with everyone getting a bee in thier bonnets about this unlimited issue?

With 75gb per month is that not enough?

Or maybe you all have terrabytes of storage in liquid cooled RAID arrays?

Just what do you all download? apart from linux distros? :rolleyes:

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I have a 200gb hard drive and today i have downloaded 6GB on a 1meg connection so if i had a 10meg line and a 75GB cap i would reach the cap in a few days :S lol

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I think you are reading too much into this, as we don't know the full details of what is going to happen yet. You are making judgements on pure speculation.

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I agree with Mick, I think services such as VoIP and some downstream services maybe excluded from this. But as i sad before do you really need more than 75gb is that was the limit anyway. I download some bit-torrent now and again, but i dont think i have ever exceed more than 20gb download per month

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Well done!!! Good for you!!!

What prey tell have you leeched for your 6gb then?

Dont tell me... more linux distros?

:dozey:

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Besides do you really want to be the guy in your local area responsible for actually caning everyones connection, you do have to take into the limitations of the upload to download ratios and how they are effected on cable
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How about log everyones IP on this forum and report them lol, lets see who will admit to using over 30gb cap

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Oh so original with your linux distros quote :rolleyes: Change the record and come up with something new will you :erm: Just because you don't feel the need to download over 75gb a month doesn't mean other people have to feel that way to. Why do you think ukonline offer 500gb a month...simply because they know there is a market for it.
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How about reporting to the police everyone that goes over the 70mph speed limit lol :rolleyes:

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Do enlighten me then...

pr0n? Warez? dvd rips?

Why else would a home user need *that* much bandwidth?

Come on, tell me I am *really* interested to know just *what* you all fill your raid arrays with?

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Congratulations, how very chav like of you sir, pay for the cheapest package, with a cap you know is low and leech the nuts off it.

You are my hero. :)

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Bet he won't be feeling so Jammie when AUP are breathing down his / her neck... ;)

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Actually...

http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/showthre...Number=1972195

You are on Telewest, what do you care what ntl cap their services at?

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If you could drive past a police car on the motorway at 150mph without them attempting to stop you, how many people would drive at 70mph? You can hardly complain of ther morality behind something if NTL clearly don't care enough to do anything about it.

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Using the newsgroups as an example I could download...

west wing vcd series 5 tv rip 15gb
smallville series 4 tv rip 9gb

I can then download suse linux...

suse 9.3 4gb

Maybe I want to buy half life 2 and download it via steam...

half life 2 from steam 4gb

So in total 32gb without any warez or dvd rips in site and there's plenty more where that came from on the newsgroups. If you maxed out the current 3mb connection you could probably do that in a day, on a 10mb connection it would take about 8 hours.

Has anyone any proof of ntl contacting the so-called heavy downloaders and wagging a finger at them :shrug:

If other people's online activities aren't affecting your connection, then why should it bother you how they use their connection for :shrug:

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I really dont get all the fuss people have with a 75gig cap???

Im not mr goodie 2 shoes but geez how can people have the time to watch / listen / play 75GB worth of games / films / porn :naughty: :naughty: or mp3s a month?? :shrug:

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A couple of points.

In order to fully understand how people use the internet you have to allow them unrestricted use over a very lengthy period. This gives you valuable data to decide what pricing points and usage allowances should be.

NTL may not want to appear heavy handed by going after customers who exceed their usage allowance without having a means of checking what their usage is.
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Well that's 24 Gb of illegal downloading for starters.

Other peoples use may not directly affect my usage of my connection but can result in increased costs for NTL which myself and all other customers have to pay for.

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Right. I have just ordered 12 new 80gig hard drives so that I have somewhere to store the output of my new capped service for the year.

I can quite see where the moans come from, this is very restrictive.

Furthermore, apart from free dial-up a few years back, an upgrade from 512K to 600K, then to 750K then to 2MB at no extra cost, what have ntl ever done for me?

I am going to bed now, but rest assured I will be rejoining the throng with some totally wild and speculative pre-guesses as to what ntl may/may not/might/could/you are having a laugh thats outrageous/should/ought to do, tomorrow.

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Not that I feel in need to explain my usage to anybody... but I'm a sucka for anything HD, and when you are downloading 2 or 3 films or programmes a week at 10gb each, a few DVDs a month, a couple of games a month, couple of lossless/mp3 albums, vent server, general internet crap (videos, browsing, one or two demos a month) it all adds up.

I could cry all day about why I can't buy all of this but whats the point, theres a warezer in all of us, when you are being offered something for free which you want, you usually take it. Morally, nobody cares and legally the law doesn't care, which as long as is the case, neither will I.

After looking at caps with other companies, ntl are semi lenient, the obviously understand that people want free **** but maybe have not grasped the idea that some people want to download huuuuge HDTV files - I guess the caps are all relative to how much you use. Whilst the caps do seem disproportionate to the speeds, anybody who needs more that 300gb is a dirty old sweaty market trader :p:


Lets not forget people as ntl told us, Spiderman was available to download on the tinternet before the cinemas!!! :o ;)

:D

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well lets see, streaming radio stations, streaming football, streaming music videos (launch.com)

just a few there, VOIP is coming along well, then there will be movie rentals to come.

no im not saying (it sucks), im merely pointing out that 75GB is a bit on the low side, ukonline has 300GB for 8mbit, i would prefer it to be about 150GB i think thats fair for both sides.

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ntl look like they will offer 5Mb/s uncapped, as many people will only be able to get 4Mb/s max with ADSL ntl will be a better option.

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2TG cap a month would be more it:tu: :Sprint:

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yes thats marvellous, exactly what i was looking Ignition. :rolleyes:

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Why do you keep on saying this? Its tB jo nub!

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:D

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Downloading TV rips is no more illegal than recording a tv show onto video but hey let me guess...you've never done that before :rolleyes:
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I say lock up Rupert Murdoch and anyone with a Sky+ box!

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One thing i dont think people realise is how much these connections cost!!!
For a business 8MB line from NTL with no contention costs about £15k per year.
So 10MB with a 75GB cap is pretty darn good if you ask me :)

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yes but sir downloading them is a very very bad thing to do, the MPAA or the equivalent will be after you, heck even downloading webpages should not be done, how about we all just dont download anything eh ? :rolleyes:

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Recording of TV from the broadcast in the UK onto video for time switching purposes is legal. Downloading copyright material without consent from newsgroups and p2p networks is not legal.

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What about all the pics of those girls we lust after...aren't they copyrighted :shrug: ..there we go again, breaking the law..we're all perverted criminals and deserve to be locked up :erm:

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yes we should be :rolleyes:

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Just so I'm clear here...

NTL have announced that before the end of the year, top tier customers will find their broadband speed more than tripled, and their cap allowance more than doubled... and people are *complaining* about it?

Jesus...

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im not complaining heck im ecstatic, im just interested in being a bit fairer about the cap, i dont know if it will be a hard cap or a soft cap, as they mentioned there being software to monitor usage, i still think 75GB is on the low side for multi streaming.

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Assuming






Good point that one there, tends to cover alot of what is being moaned about in this thread, ffs it is 2006 before we see most of this so WHY are we arguing and debating on rumored and fantasy stuff.

What news is released now is likely to change long before we get the speeds.

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I think I'm going to have to leave this thread before I poke my eyes out. :(


I'll come back later and see if Richards prediction of 700 hundred posts wins him the bet.. ;)

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Agreed Incog I think this should be lockied because it will just end up with the same circular cap comments and rows about pricing.

It cannot be a factual debate when the facts are not out and aruging on rumors is well, stupid.

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Don't you think 700 is a bit on the low side...how many posts were made about the original 1gb a day cap :shrug: and I agree with what other's have said, anything written is pure speculation & assumption and until NTL officially announce their plans we could go on forever. So I'm sorry to disappoint all my fans but I will no longer be posting in this thread and no amount of baiting is going to get me to type another... :p:

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Indeed, and only for time shifting and has to be a temporary recording.

There's no fair use concept in UK copyright law unlike in the US which means you aren't really even allowed to keep a broadcast as an archive recording, and you definitely can't distribute and download them... without permission that is.

The BBC's forthcoming interactive media player uses a licenced system so that you can only keep recordings for a set period (much like Sky+ when recording premium material).


Going back to the subject of usage though. I run a fairly low bandwidth web server on my PlusNet connection and yet that will result in between 500mb and 1Gb a month alone if down and upstream traffic is considered. Add to that something like Fedora Core 4 which I downloaded this month which is another 2.5Gb, and a pile of other perfectly legit software downloads which probably add up to a few hundred Mb, the odd video (trailers, NASA & BBC feeds), and radio traffic (legit stuff), plus surfing media rich web sites and playing online games like Star Wars Galaxies, and I average around 5 or 6Gb a month.

Some months it's a lot more, but the highest I've ever done is 20Gb.

The UK average is actually around 6Gb a month.

75Gb is a lot. On the other hand with only 2Mbps connections, an extremely small percentage of PlusNet users were consuming up to 500Gb a month!!!, so 75Gb is by comparison very small especially for a 10Mbps connection.

The question is whether NTL's caps are counted on downstream only or on both up and down?

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Anyone not enjoying the thread simply leave and let the others have their fun, don't ask to kill it.

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Apologies :tu: