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Latest Score: 35 mins

Denmark 0-0 England BBC 2

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Denmark 0-1 England 52 mins :D

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yorkie
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and to think we couldn't watch teh arrival of Murray on teh tennis scene coz of that dross :mad:

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:knock: please change the subject, tis getting very boring seeing that comment every other post

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I did actually watch the first game. The level of skill was poor, the level of general play was poor, etc etc.

If that's the pinnacle I hate to think what the leagues are like.

I was being open-minded, but tbh, it's not a patch on the mens game.

As you were...

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then again, I would rather watch a game played badly, by Women, with honesty & passion, than one by Men, where they let their cynicism overcome their skill - I'm bored with the cheating in football & don't watch much, now....

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I'm not a fan of the cheating etc either (except of course when I'm in the area with the ball ;)) but even so- despite it being the pinnacle of the game the quality's still worse than Forest. In the professional men's game, even in the conference these teams would get mullered.

The whole shebang merely serves to endorse my (sexist?) view that football is like yorkie (ie not for girls). fair enough, if you don't think so, but that's what I think and I'm trying to be as constructive as poss :)

As for it taking airtime off Murray's win... well, thank **** for freeview and streaming net videos!

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And so it starts, US tycoon Malcolm Glazer's plans for Manchester United reportedly include costlier tickets and spending limit of £25m a year net on player transfers. :( Link

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Also this about Sir Bobby Charlton being removed from the board. After all he does for Utd, off the field, in promoting them. :( :afire:

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Breaking News.......

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Quite right too, seems only fair to me.:D

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Liverpool in 1st Round Qualifying for sure. Whoo... In at least :P

NFFC - Lay off Women's football, it fun, and women don't roll around on the ground forever. They just take the pain and get on with it. Kudos for that. I like to see that in the men's and also they don't bitterly complain to the referee!!! Kudos to that too. Keane should take note of that.

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How is this fair? The whole point of the Champions League is that the Champions of each league in Europe face each other in a competition not the 5th place side in the league who finished 37!! points behind the champions. I thought it was bad enough when they let Everton in for finishing fourth.

The comptetion should be renamed to the 'Champions and runners up League' in the future.

Bad decision Uefa :td:

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to be honest i think the Fa have engineered getting 5 teams in and this sets a bad precedent.. what happens at the endof next season if a team in spain get to the final and they are fouth in their league.. they can win the final and then make themselves finish 5th in their league which doesn't finish till after the final and make sure they have 5 teams in the comp next season

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Exactly how i feel mate. Now the TV revenue from the champions league has to be split five ways aswell so the original teams in the competition are set to loose £5 million each!!

Not good news

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12th July is the first round! Fixture congestion hell.

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You don't do irony then? perhaps I should have used :rolleyes: instead.

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My feelings exactly. As much as I like Liverpool being able to defend the title, the rules were clear at the outset of the season, and the FA should have decided beforehand on the rules in this scenario (e.g. number four does not play CL). They didn't and possible saw it as an opportunity to get a fifth team in. Short term, opportunist thinking imo.

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If UEFA, and I mean IF, have any forward thinking in their single brain cell organism, they will put in a new rule that the defending champions is automatically entered as the 3rd/4th team of their league if they finish outside the top 2 or 3 or 4 of their respective league.

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not only has this ruined the TV money for the other clubs, although that is still being worked on.. Artemia of Slovakia have now been pushed out of the comp..

i agree they should be in the comp but at the expense of Everton rather than as a fifth placed team.. the FA should have decided this like the Spanish FA did a few years ago

also UEFA need to make sure that the finals are now always held after each UEFA league has finished to prevent collusion between clubs and league to get extra teams in..

mind you if Gerrard didn't dive to win a pen then they wouldn't have won anyway something no one in the press mentioned in any of the praise that was heaped on Liverpool after the win

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more english clubs playing at the top can only be a good thing
so im happy.

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That's just plain wrong.

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They should play off with Artemia for the place in the qualifying rounds.

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Liverpool also don't have country status. So they could meet another English team in qualifying or be in a group with another english team.
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The team from Slovakia hasn't been pushed out as such. They only qualify for the competition if the winners are automatically qualified through their league. If the winners are outside the qualification places then the winners get the slovakian place.

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I think a problem with that is that some leagues run over much of the summer

As an example, only 7 out of 26 rounds have been played in the Finnish league.

http://www.uefa.com/FootballCentral/...Standings.html

I guess they only just cleared the snow :)

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I hate Scouse FC as much as any self-respecting Man United fan, but I have to say I'm pleased that common sense has prevailed and they will rightfully be in Europe next year :)

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:shocked: I cannot belive i am reading this! UEFA have already bent the rules for Liverpool to enter the competition and they are still complaining! I think that they were lucky to get in the competition at all and should be grateful, not annoyed about having to qualify.

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bent the rules :Yikes: they have had them rewritten becuase the teams who will win the cup after liverpool will also be automatically entered in to the champions league.

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I am happy they are in the competition but did I read it correctly that if Liverpool get beaten in a round they still progress? or was it sarcasm.

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No, the post from gazzae was official, every word is true.:angel:

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The champions usually got entered into the competition even if they are outside their league qualification places. The problem here was the number of teams - UEFA rules state that no country can have more than 4 teams. If England only had 3 teams which entered the champions league then there wouldn't have been a problem.

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oh right, the article on the BBC site did not make the bit about automatic qualification irrespective of league position clear.

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Well, I had my application come through today to renew my membership at Old Trafford, and I binned it :upyours: Glazer

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its going to be a killer if all the financial data that has been publsihed goes through, i know he has to make money from somewhere, thats the diffarence though, he is a business man hes not in it for the health of the football end of the club.

:mad:

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Liverpool: It's only common sense. Back in the day, when it were winners only, then the champions got in even if they didn't win the league.

When we won it in 1979 we wouldn't have been able to (successfully) defend it the year after having finished second, had this silly rule been in place.

I can see why it's applicable to international comps because there it's easier to qualify and keeps the teams off meaningless friendlies- but the games are more in the league, and let's be honest, fixture congestion makes it more a squad game these days anyway.

Glad to see UEFA have made some common sense decisions now. They aren't getting it easy but they're in it. And that should be a bonus for them.

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Chelsea poised to outbid United again.

It seem's united will have to take a back seat in the transfer market for a few year's to come.
Unless fortune's change, united could end up being a mid table side.

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I think this shows Chelsea dont have a clue what they are doing or who to buy, they did it with Robben and it looks like they are going to do it again. I wathched Park Ji-Sung play against Milan in the champions league and i wouldnt value him at £7 million which is what PSV want, now Chelsea are involved.

I dont think its if United's fortune's change they will be a mid table side, i think everybodys fortunes will have to change to be able to compete with Chelsea outbidding on any decent player a team wants to sign. :(

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But the Champions are allowed to defend it. The problem here was the number of teams. UEFA rules stated that no country can have more then 4 teams.

When this happened before in Spain - Real Madrid finished 5th but won the European Cup - the spanish FA excluded the fouth placed team, I think it was Real Zaragotha, and included Madrid in their four representatives. UEFA leave it to the countries FA to decided what teams are nominated - the Spanish FA made a decision, the English FA didn't have the balls to make one.

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exactly the Fa have engineered us getting 5 teams in because they can't make their minds up about what to do so did nothing in the end.. The FA should have just put the holders in instead and have done with it..

of course if UEFA hadn't ruined the comp in the first place this wouldn't have happened anyway

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Yes but what's happened here, is the winners have fallen outside the normal qualifying places and because they've taken away the automatic place then they can't defend it. ie, they're assuming the holders qualify by virtue of their league position.

When they only let league champions in then the holders got in anyway, all I'm saying is if this stupid rule about holders not being allowed in had been around then, countless champions who didn't win their league the season they won the EC wouldn't be allowed to defend it.

The problem is the silly rule about the coefficients. Normally it works well but when you have a situation like this, you can't NOT send a side who have qualified by virtue of a position in the league, and you can't NOT enter the holders. If the rule had been "one team per FA" back then, do you send the holders or the Champions?

The matter is there should be a special entry place for the holders and that should be independent of their league position- ie, the only logical way is for five English sides to enter, the normal 4 (Chelsea, Arsenal, **** and Everton) who finished there by rights of their league position, and the holders, who won the competition but finished outside the top 4. They all deserve to be there, as they've satisfied the requirements to be there.

I also think Man City should take the extra European place too.

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when I have some more time i'll go through the stats and find out where the previous winners finished in their league from 55 to today..

still think if UEFA didn't ruin the comp with that stupid leage thing then a side who could only manage afifth placed finish would have been able to win the comp anyway.. and if Gerrard never dived for a pen then they wouldn't have won it either

the whole league thing is just designed to give the clubs extra games which equals extra tv money and gate receipts and is geared to mean the top clubs from Italy, Spain, UK, Germany get through.. in the event that this doesn't happen they will get third and then go into the UEFA Cup..

it should just be winners of the league and the holders and have done with it

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And I completely agree with that last line.

Bring back the CWC, winners of the cups can go in that (LDV Vans as well, pretty please ;)), 2nd-5th can go in UEFA cup... get rid of the league ******** and return it to knockout, totally unseeded, etc etc.

When we won our first we were drawn against (holders) Liverpool in the first round - a tie pitting the top 2 in England together - and no-one even gave us a chance.

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Nope. The problem is the number of teams. If England only had 3 teams which entered, then there wouldn't have been this fuss. UEFA didn't say Liverpool couldn't defend it but it was up to the English FA to decide what 4 teams entered the competition.

What extra European place? There is none as Artemia went into the UEFA cup. Remember Artemia only enter the Champions league IF the holders have qualified via league position. If the holders have not qualified by league position then they take Artemia's place.
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Here is the UEFA rule...

This is what the fuss is about - The FA didn't have the balls to do this.

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Somehow, I think you're the only one that will be affected by you ripping up you application: Man Utd set for ticket record

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And the bloke next door :)

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Champions League should just be the champions of each league and the current holders hence the name. The changes they made only served to make the top clubs richer and to downgrade the uefa cup, it is also a mockery that when a team gets booted out of the champions league they then enter the uefa cup at a late stage, how would people feel if here when someone is knocked out of the fa cup semi final they then go into the league cup semi final, I dont think they would be too happy.

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the problem with the ECC is that UEFA bowed down to the G14 clubs and went for the league format so they could get more games.. then they gave into the G14 again and then openned this up to even more clubs in 98 and beyond.. the clubs didn't care won bit about history or the prestiege of the comp now that they were ruinning it for the fans they just wanted more money.. UEFA are meant to be there to protect the game from this and they failed when they created the Champion's League

The other problem is that now the ECC and the UEFA Cup are pretty much going to be one by a club from the big four \ G14 of Italy, Spain, Germany and UK.. there is no chance of a Eastern European club getting to a final and winning anything and that's the way the G14 want it.. although there have been one or two exceptions, CSKA Moskva this year in the UEFA Cup.

Just look at this year when David Gill of Man U said after we got knocked out that we shouldn't have played AC Milan because they were a better side than us.. we could have played someone not as good so we could get to the next round

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I've emailed the BBC requesting Manchester United be removed from the sports pages, and inserted into the Business & money section.

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I wonder if he will come back to haunt us ?

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The greatest game he'll have of his life will be next season when West ham come to Old Trafford and they beat us 1-nil :grind:

No matter what our forwards throw at him, he'll stop every shot. You just watch.

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Not anymore Russ

Link

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damn man united really cannot keep the same strikers very long, at least 1 major new one every year, they just keep throwing money at the team.

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That puts us on terms with Chelsea then :D

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Chelsea are also interested in Owen and Fergie is meant to be after Jenas as well..

also that Mikel the 18yo we signed is still saying he wants to play for Chelsea instead..

there's always FC United though

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Chelsea havent really been doing the same kind of team changes as long as man united they started doing it when the russian tycoon moved in.

Last few years alone have seen these strikeforce changes at man united all multi million pound buys.

Rooney
Smith
Saha
Van Nistelroy

Attacking player but not out and out striker
Ronaldinho

I heard romours that saha is on his way out which would make sense if owen is coming, seems fergie just cant make his mind up, compare the turnover of players to arsenal.

I support neither club by the way.

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So what do people think of this then, if it's true?

A Rugby Union coach being involved with proper football?

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It will be interesting to see what Woodward's role will be, although I had to smile when I read this bit.........

Good Ol' Harry :D

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man utd shares have been delisted!

what a sad day :(

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/4118312.stm

on the plus side:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...td/4080568.stm

yes another player whos going to be a 'business' investment.

:rolleyes:

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2005/2006 season fixtures announced:-

http://skysports.planetfootball.com/...d=286999&f=dta

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f***ing huddersfield :(

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Liverpool v TNS in the qualifying stages of the Champion's league - what a bumper payday in store for TNS if they can manage a draw at Anfield :)

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Just watching the Premiership Years and a reminder of what a great bloke Brian Clough was. He'd just got out of his car and a reporter shouts "Can we have a word Brian". "No" he shouts "but thanks for asking" Football could certainly do with some more managers like him ;)

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/cries

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...ea/4623661.stm

Welcome to our world, Jose.

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they also got away with tapping up Arnesen from Sprs because they payed out.. that is what is wrong with the FA and Premier League rules.. we all know they are gulty over this but unless Spurs complain nothing will happen..

what i'd do if i was Spurs is wait till they get the money then complain anyway

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New owners reveal Man Utd plans
I dont think so :no:

For some reason i dont think this will work or make much difference :(

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Welcome to Old Trafford - Glazer's, so nice of you to drop in.

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Wonder where TigaSefi is..................buying his Chelsea shirt ? :)

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I wonder if Fergie has asked the Glazer's for some money :erm:


Do you know, or can you remember if there has ever been any transfer's between Man Utd & Liverpool Jim ?

I can't think of any

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A quick Google revealed these, I have to say I don't remember most of them. :rolleyes: :D

The following have gone directly from Liverpool to United:
Aug 1912 Tom Chorlton (Full Back)
Sep 1920 Tom Miller (Forward) £2000
Feb 1929 Tommy Reid (Forward)
Jan 1938 Ted Savage (Half-Back)
Nov 1938 Allenby Chilton (Half-Back)

The following have gone directly from United to Liverpool:
Nov 1913 John Sheldon (Forward)
May 1921 Fred Hopkin (Forward)
Feb 1954 Tommy McNulty (Full-Back) £7000
Apr 1964 Phil Chisnall (Forward) £25,000

As you can see, it is a select few.
Apart from Paul Ince I cannot think of any others to play for both
clubs. John Gidman and Ted MacDougall were
on Liverpools books but did not make the first team.

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It would seem united don't stand much chance then, we probably haven't got the money anyway.

As for Gerrard, something is obviously amiss between him and the club, Liverpool have offered him £100,00 0 per week which is more than Chelsea are offering, so maybe Real Madrid are favourites :shrug:

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Wigan to Forest seems to be the vogue at the moment.

First Nicky Eaden then Ian Breckin today...

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well if you talking Liverpool to Man U then how about Sir Matt... played for them and then managed us.. can't believe no one remembered that one

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Gerrard can get fooked!! No man is bigger than the club, my loyalty is with Liverpool :) Always has been even when Fowler/McManaman/Owen left, I think we'll be fine. :)

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Yeah, I'd love £100k a year and he's turned that down for a week!

Too big for his boots methinks. Send him to the Megson boot camp :D

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Good call :tu: but I was meaning within the last 10/20 or even 30 years

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Looks like he changed his mind, wonder how much that cost Liverpool?
BBC
Think it's about time all football clubs had their wages capped, if players are good enough to demand large fees then they are good enough to get big private sponsorship/ advertising deals.

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Changed his mind..........? More like no one wanted him for the money he was asking for.

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Chelsea were prepared to pay ;) Gotta wonder what incentive he was given to stay?

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Well he was being a clive hunt asking for over 100k a week to kick a ball around.

As for the Forest -- Wigan connection... Eaden, Breckin, now Gino Padula... at last we (may) have a half-decent left back.

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Its called a wife

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Bet some scouser nicked his wheel trims and held them to ransom till he decided to stay. :rofl:

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think Gerrard wanted to move abroad so when no one else went in from him he's changed his mind

don't think there was any problem with him getting the wages he wanted just the fee for the club

100k a week is obscene though.. what with live8 and that going on imagine the good they could do if this money went to people who really needed it

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Sky Sports news reporting that Gerrard is staying at Liverpool.:shocked: :)

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Ahem http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=277
;) By all accounts it was just a "misunderstanding" and Gerrard didn't think Liverpool really wanted him to stay :erm:

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Pah... I was actually thinking of the money we'd be getting. He'd better work his socks off for the entire season.

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Well here we go again, Liverpool v TNS now on ITV2 champions league qualifier.

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Well, he's averaging a goal every 30 minutes so far. What do you want, blood?

Anyway, Vieira's gone to Juventus for £14m. Good luck to him, it creates a big hole but solves two questions - where do you play Fabregas and how do you tell Vieira we need a better captain. Arsenal's best midfield pairing last season was Fabregas and Gilberto, which is presumably #1 choice for the start of next season.

Another bonus is that the **** tabloid journos will have to find another story to fill the papers up with for the next six weeks. I reckon Thierry Henry's going to Berwick Rangers for £1.50 and a scotch egg. You heard it here first.

A quick word for Jose Mourinho. Shut up.

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I am well chuffed at the moment, Liverpool won last night, bought my ticket for Denmark v England next month yesterday and today at 5:30pm, found out where I will be on 3rd September! :)

http://www.asys61.dsl.pipex.com/ballot%20result.JPG

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I wouldn't bother - the world has been saying that to Wenger for the last few years to no avail.

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He might be right here though...............


As was pointed out by a few in the previous football thread

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Um, that would be two words .... :p:

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I got np with Jose and arsene, anyone who stops Man U winning things has my vote.

But arsenal are looking to be weak this year, I think bergkamp will struggle and losing pires and vieira will hit them, they did good business tho 14m for 29 year old.

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well lets not forget the only reason Chelsea never got done for taking Arseson from Spurs was because they paid them off.. they should be starting with a 6 point deficit

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Give Fergie that amount of money to spend, no other team would ever win anything for years, lets be realistic Chelski bought the title, at least United moulded a team over a number of years. Respect.

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Before Chelsea had the billionaire Man U were in a league of their own with money, Man U fans find it hard to see it. Lets see how far fergie gets with a wage budget 20% of what he got now and 10 mill transfer budget.

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I'm sorry? You have any evidence of this whatsoever??

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Can someone please tell me why clubs try to sign players like Nicolas Anelka for?

I wouldn't touch players like that with a ten foot barge pole, with their track record of arriving, have a barney with the club within a few months, then leave a month later.

If the story is true, it just seems stupid to me. :shrug:

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Sure

Van Nistelrooy 19m
Rooney 27m
Ronaldinho
Ferdinand 30m
Veron 25m
Barthez 7.8m
Carrol 2.5m
Schmeichel
Saha mid season transfer 8 figure sum (normal team would just use a rookie striker)

source for the valuations http://endlesssoccer.tripod.com/tran..._transfers.htm unvalued players were expensive. There are dozens of players who are not listed but cost 7 figures, Man Utd have had the luxury of spending millions on a player who they dont play all season, leaving them with a large squad and of course large wage bill, this is a luxury that other teams have not been able to match eg. having a diff team for each competition. Keeping his premiership side fit for league games. Of course everyone who isnt a man utd fan knows this, but the spoilt glory hunting man utd fans either refuse to believe it or just dont realise it, they see a potential 25m annual cap as low when its still higher then 80% of the premiership.

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How many of the players you have listed helped Manchester United win Premiership titles? Van Nistelrooy, Schmeichel and possibly Ferdinand, the rest of the players never really added to the team or have yet to do much (Rooney).
The players Manchester United have won titles with are home grown players such as Giggs, Beckham, Brown, Scholes, Gary and Phil Neville, so really having no money may help Ferguson bring up younger players which has worked in the past, something that Chelsea havent and probably wont do.