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Are you sure you've plugged the speaker in? ;) :angel:
Mine does though - A8V Deluxe.

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My P4P800-E beeps

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Go easy on him KP, he's trying to help :)
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The case instruction booklet says 'spkr x 1' but I can't see it anywhere. :confused:
The mobo instructions don't mention a post error speaker connection anywhere either :confused: :confused:

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You dont need to plug anything in for the post error reporter voice system. That is onboard already and will come out of your normal audio speakers connected to the back of your PC.

The Post beeps would come out a tiny speaker in your case. Its only the wire from that case speaker that needs wiring up now.

EDIT: Just researched it and it and seems my motherboard doesnt beep. They only beep if a usb device is connected or an error occurs it seems. I know some other boards in the asus range dont beep either, whilst tohers do.
It seems to depend on your bios firmware version and different boards.
Anyway, if you do have beeps, 1 beep is a good sign.

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OK......can't see it anywhere on the mobo but I'll take your word for it :tu: :)

Which I can't find hide nor hair of :shrug:

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My mate just got his A8V Delux motherboard today, to find they hadn't installed the BIOS onto it. He was fuming, and has to wait while he sends it back.

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Just had a nose around on the coolermaster forums.......seems the case doesn't come with a speaker...ho hum :)
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I've got an Audigy and also use the onboard sound supplied with the Asus motherboard and they coexist fine. Got to say though, that if you want to record anything through the Audigy, then forget it - the driver is crap. :)

Oh, and good luck with your switch-on this evening or whenever it may be. :tu:

I remember the first time I switched mine on - only to find that the power switch didn't work because I'd plugged it in the wrong way round. Oops. :dozey:

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Thanks m8! Power up won't happen for a while as I'm still waiting for PSU/CPU :D

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LOL

You could be just a little bit stuck without those components.

:D

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:LOL:

Only Rammy could do it this way around :rofl:

Oh and stop looking for an internal speaker on that case as it looks as if it aint got one :(

Thats on hell of a manual for that case mind it is one hell of a case. :)

I could do with a customer or three like you ;) I always end up doing budget PC's for peeps.

Still when you get the PSU and are going for the power on as I said before i'm on the other end of the phone as is Nemmy. :)

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i can feel the tension rising as i type :erm: ,
anyone fancy running a book on whether it boots up or not :disturbd: :D :D :D

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Not my choice..talk to dabs :p: Yep, I know :D

yep, I know :D Cheers m8! :tu: :)

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:rofl: :D

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No need to unplug the Audigy. Just plug the speaker connection into the Line output socket on the back of the motherboard (usually a green 3.5 millimetre socket) and enable the onboard sound on the Bios.

As with King Phoenix, I have never encountered a motherboard where you have to disable the onboard sound for a PCI sound card to work. There is no reason for it to work like that. The only reason that it happens with onboard video and AGP video cards is that the motherboard chipset does not have enough bandwidth to activate both at the same time. According to Intel anyway. Sound, working using PCI, does NOT have the same problem.

Even if Ramrod leaves the onboard sound enabled, it'll just show up in Windows as a second sound card.

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I never actually said anything about disabling the sound card other than saying the onboard may well disable itself with a diff sound card installed,Kp said everyone on here will tell ramrod to disable the onboard but i guess we have found someone who dont lol lol ;) you have actually agreed with what i said about sound cards

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This was never said,

However..... why generate empty process usage? why throw a spanner in the works for audio problems etc? He is never going to use the on board card, so why have it enabled, using ram and resources it doesnt need to!

Please bear in mind, ramrod is building a performance machine. Not just some box to bog down with crap

All he needs to do is fit a small pc speaker to hear the beeps if something should go wrong, and he can ignore the ac97 P.O.S that comes on the board

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Agreed! :disturbd:

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at no point did i say anything different,the voice alerts come through the onboard sound chip and like i said earlier if something went wrong he would need to clear the cmos to enable the onboard sound again to hear said warning if windows is not reached am i wrong??

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Thats the one! :tu: :D

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Why would he need to clear the cmos??? why cant he just enable it in bios again??? unless of course the fault is stopping the bios from loading, which would mean the entire system wouldnt work (no voice or beeps)

Im bored of this discussion, ill come back when the topic gets more interesting.....

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he can only reach it again if the pc posts or you can't get into bios can you,the system wouldnt boot and warning would be given a)if memory failed b)if chip failed c)if graphics failed all these and more can be diagnosed through pre post warnings

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but if the pc doesnt load its bios, how will it know which sound file to play :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Hence the fact that if the bios is screwed, it wont make any difference, he wont get any beeps or voice regardless of soundcard.....

If the memory fails, you can get into bios, if the graphics card fails you can get into bios (admittedly you can see sod all:p: ) ive never had a cpu fail, so couldnt be sure...... but if the bios doesnt load...........:rolleyes:

For someone that owns their own company building PCs............. well i wont go any further, it could be construed as a personal attack...

Like i said in my previous post. Ill come back when the topic changed :angel:

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all i did was actually point out the lack of said speaker in the first place god only knows why it went hostile,and please bios warning in the form of the beeps can happen without a bios initialisation isnt that the whole point of them

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I think he knows that :erm:

Rammy, it's always good to disable ports you won't use, such as on mine I have all my game ports disabled and my serial port disabled. Helps to free up additional system resources :tu:

EDIT: Alright I admit I only just found the typo :rolleyes:

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like i said before all i did was point out the lack of warning speaker so why oh why am i now the bad guy I tried to help and i think i did i doubt if kp has read the rest of my posts in this thread and i think im being unfairly judged

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chill out ;) , dont get mad get even :erm: :D :D :D

anyway has anyone thought of the odds of it booting or not as the case maybe :erm: , whens the rest of the gear due rammy ??? :)

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http://www.amptron.com/html/bios.beepcodes.html

this is a link to general discription of why beeps can be heard as you can see most will give you a warning visually but there are plenty or reasons they can be heard with nothing visable on screen,yes the bios is running but it has not finished post and it is my belief you can not enter bios screen when this occurs.I dont pretend to know it all if im wrong i admit im wrong.At the end of the day i pointed out to ramrod he was missing the motherboard speaker and he is the rest has come from that

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No m8, thanks for your input :tu: :)
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Let us know when you switch on and the explosion takes place. I want to see as your PC blows up so please film it.

:p:

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PMSL :D

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awwwww that wasnt very nice :erm: :D :D :D

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Thats why I'm asking all these questions now...........so it doesn't blow up! :D

Hey KP..............Iddris says the CPU's will be in on April 4th :)
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LMAO!!!!

Mine will be here on friday ;) :D (apparently :S)

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Hey, can we keep it calm and simple .... Rammy is using this to HELP him build this PC .... arguments etc should be taken to PM. What he needs is clear concise information.

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Hope mine is as well! :drool:
btw.........Decided to get an ASUS optical drive (instead of the Sony)
Getting it from Dabs..........

PSU turned up today :blush:

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and as the tension slowly but surely rises :D :D :D

so when do you reckon the big power up will be ????

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How is the fan speed controlled? The case fans each have 2 power plugs (why two?) but I can't see any plugs that fit the fan controller sockets on the mobo :confused: :dunce:
Is one of the plugs meant to somehow connect to the mobo?

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According to the manual for the case they connect to the Fan controller .....

Have you read the manual ???? ;)

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Have your fans got little white plugs?? (about 1cm by 1/2cm???) they fit onto the mobo, the fan i sent you today has this type of connector, with an adpator so you can plug it into the main psu if your mobo doesnt have enough connections :)

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Nope...........I've been looking for those. My case fans plugs look like this:
I know I can get them spinning but how do I get them controlled by the mobo?...any ideas?:confused:

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If theres no connection to the mobo (as it can't monitor temperatures)or lead to a knob controller i can't see how they can be controlled id imagine they just spin at a constant rate :) unless you add some type of modulator so you can reduce current of course

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OK........why are there two plugs for each fan?

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it just works as an extenstion the male can attach to a hdd then the female is attatched to a molex connector from the psu

edit gender may be wrong ive had a drink but mine isnt in question lmao

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'cos they are "in-line" connectors ......one male one female ..

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In English? :D :dunce: ..edit--sorry..........blonde moment....I understand :)

I've been having a nose around on the web and found this: '4-pin Molex to 3-Pin Female Socket Cable Adapter Sleeved'........would this work?

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It appears to me that there is only 2 wires actually going to the fan if this is the case the board cant monitor the fan speed if theres a 3rd wire going to the fan it can

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Now why would a modern, well received case not allow for mobo monitoring? :confused:

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I could be wrong Its my belieft its the yellow wire on the 3 pin that would monitor speed of fan and report it to the mobo,my lian li doesn't the only fan controlled on mine is the cpu fan

edit the specs of your case dont appear to say anything about controlled fans it says theres 2 running at 1200 rpm and 1 at 1800

your case looks huge bet its a dream to work on :D

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So in theory, I could control my fans via the mobo?

Which is quite slow.....nosing around on the coolermaster forums, the general consensus is that the stacker's case fans are very quiet anyway :)

Yup......thats why I got such a big case :p:

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Theres no 3rd wire actually to the fan so i dont think the mobo can see how fast the fans are spinning to know whether or not to turn them up or down,I would imagine its been well thought out and will ensure proper air flow.You not gonna over clock are you what your getting is gonna be massive lol lol A64 chips use a lower voltage than the old xp chips and as a rule run quite cool anyway and the case fans will suck all the hot air away from gfx and cpu

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Also...........my mobo has 4 fan controllers so once I plug in my psu fans, the CPU fan and the 80mm side fan that KP is sending me, I'll only have one controller left which is best reserved for a future extra fan. :)

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Rammy, your mobo will probably control the case fan speeds depending on how much your CPU is being used. I've got the Asus A7V600-X, and when I launch a game the case fans start to spin up since the CPU is being fully used. Yours might do the same thing.

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lmao:D

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One is a plug and the other is a socket ;) its so you can chain loads of them together.
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ive been away for a few days and just had a quick read of this entire thread again. Rammy i think you forgot to order something
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well they're next to your power supply ;) I assumed you were putting it together mid treatment with a patient :D

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www.scan.co.uk today got some cheap mobo's from Asrock and MSI, are they reputable brand and which one of the Socket A MSI motherboard would you guys recommend ?

http://www.scan.co.uk/todayonly/ - Scroll down to 13 and then there a section of AMD Socket A motherboard. I just want to put a Sempron 2800+ and 1Gb of RAM in it.

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I have never had a problem with MSI motherboards.

I HAVE had a number of problems with asrock. Ranging from non working usb sockets dead mobo's.....

ASROCK = EVIL

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Are you still going down the raid mirror route?? Ive got a problem with mirrored hard drives cuz if ones data becomes corrupted or a virus is caught its on both.I personally would stripe the raptors and use something like ghost the newest version of which does incremental back ups in windows,although ive heard this slows the system.You can back up to hard drive or to dvd/cd.Ive searched to see if this has been covered if it has I apoligise :)

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Interesting point..........anyone else have any comments? .......and keep them civil! (I'm looking at you KP! :p: )

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I love ghost,I make new back ups monthly and if my system goes belly up for whatever reason its back to how it was in 5 minute :)

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Mirroring does not protect against software failure - even on corporate disk arrays you can, in theory, write zeroes over the payroll database - but it does protect against hardware failure of one disk. You should still do regular CD/tape/network backups of you important data.
Stripping only improves performance - no hardware data protection at all.

If you want to be cautious about your data, I would personally suggest sticking with the mirror, but stick a third cheap IDE drive in as an online backup. You can schedule XP's own backup util to write to a compressed disk file, and also have a second bootable copy of XP on that drive incase you need to restore.

HTH

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If he adds a 3rd hdd then back up important incremental data to that and use either ghost or windows back up an image fortnightly say,Then he can get the very best out of his raptors :) Ghost i know, not sure about windows backup is recoverable through virtual dos

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Ramrod, You are going to be looking after your machine arent you? I.e. Firewall? AV? Anti Spyware etc?????

Providing you look after it in a "system management" sense, then your mirror raid is still the better option ;) If your gonna just fill it with junk and crap etc... and get shed loads of spyware, and download porn, and visit sites mandy says you shouldnt be then yeah.... take a backup...

Personally, i would take a ghost backup of your machine anyway, once you have it the way you want it.... so that in the event you need to do a reload, just restore your image to a "fresh" machine, with all drivers installed (admittedly you would need to update the drivers, depending on how long ago the ghost was taken) but sure saves alot of faffing around... :)

I wouldnt stripe your raid, as per the discussions me you and nemmy had last night ;) :)

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I see logic in that,mirror will protect if a hdd dies and if its a software problem.Ghost will recover the image and of course in mirror mode will be on both hdds

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:tu:

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If no work is going on the computer, then is there really the need to mirror the drives? Games porn and the like would be a pain if you lost it all, but worth consuming a whole other drive? You have all the disks, and everything else can be downloaded, or burnt periodically. You'd be better off striping them and getting the most space.

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For general use - mirroring is great, you get twice the read throughput, but all writes happen twice so you get a small degradation in performance...

Striping will give you better write speed, but will mean that if one drive fails, the whole filesystem will go....

Personally, I see little use in striping, unless you are using very high I/O bandwidth, and even then, I would look at running both mirrored and striped, thus giving you both the throughput of striping, and the redundancy of mirroring (but you need more disks :( )

If you just want to use both drives, and have all the space, I would have 2 filesystems, as if one drive fails, you only lose the one filesystem.

If you do wish to do both, you can either create a stripe, then mirror it ( 0+1) or create a mirror, then stripe across it (1+0) For redundancy, a 1+0 (also known as 10) is better, as you can lose 50% of the drives (so long as they ar not both sides of 1 mirror) , and the thing keeps going, whereas with 0+1, if you lose more than one drive, the whole thing dies... (IIRC)

HTH

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Yeah zovat, we spoke about Raid10 last night too... personally i still prefer raid5 :)

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Yuk, raid 5 ;)

Raid 5 (IMHO) is ok if you have a H/W raid 5 array or want to have a large filesystem with only 1 spare disk, otherwise it uses far too much processor power for what it does again, IMHO).
:angel:

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:erm: :erm: :erm:

The asus boards have hardware raid controllers ;)

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fair enough...

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Question....should I get another Western Digital Raptor and RAID 10 three of them? My understanding is that it would give me the 'security' of a RAID 1 with twice as much HDD space.......am I right?

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All depends if the mobo supports it...AFAIK the board only support 0,1 and 5.

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Thats what I suspected...I'll stick with the RAID 1 then :)
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Here is a puzzler......my HDD's appear to support two different types of power supply plugs.........which should I use? :disturbd:

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In fact, assuming you've still got the AV8 Deluxe mentioned at the start it only supports 0 & 1:

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So really, It's a case of RTFM :D

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You can use either power connector, but if your PSU has the smaller SATA power leads then I would use them. Dedicated power line for the drives.
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I know it's on another thread, but sorted your network out now?

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You mean the black plugs in the pic?
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Not yet......I've had one of my techy patients take a look at it and he thinks the power spike has corrupted the laptops network settings......or something like that :disturbd: ....I'll let him rebuild it :D

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Yep.

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Go on.......you know you want to :D

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Shut up you! :D

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So did you get the CPU in the post this morning ?
Or still waiting ?

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perhaps he did, now he's looking for the fire extinguisher ;)

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:LOL:

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or maybe he hasnt ordered the fire extinguisher yet ;)

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Nope, not yet........... the floppy drive and the GPU are in..........it's starting to look like a PC now :D
Just waiting on the CPU and the optical drive.

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so the cpu is in or not :confused: :D :D


edit --- did you just alter your post or did i read it wrong :confused:

edit 2 --- you did :D :D :D

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Don't mind me.......trying to do 3 things at once here :D

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Is any one able to comment on the second one down on this list?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/acatal...00_Series.html

It's the dual core 6600GT, and it gets the following in 3DMark03:
http://www.giga-byte.com/VGA/FileLis...d1-table1a.gif

I'm going to go for that if it is better than the Asus V9999GT DDR3 that's above it :erm:

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Yes ive mentioned the 3d1 a couple of times in this thread gone unnoticed lol lol A friend has built one with only a 3200 chip and it flies,Gigabyte however will be releasing dual core 6800 gt and ultras later on. He has had 1 problem though and its a strange one surrounding video playback but we have narrowed it down to a monitor problem

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KP..........you got your CPU or GPU's yet?

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Got my GPUs still waiting for CPU tho :(

But i bought a new different power supply aswell (due tomorrow)... my new fans and my rounded IDE cables arrived last week some time too.......

just sitting twiddling my thumbs, looking at where the cpu goes :(

U?

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'Just' need the CPU and optical drive........ :(
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I wouldn't bother if you run an ATI card - I hear the 64bit drivers are pretty good on NVidia though.

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Yep........nvidia all the way! :D

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Im gonna go 64 bit for sure... no point using a 32 bit operating system when you can easily get a 64 bit version :)

Yup nvidia it is :D

2 x GeForce 6800 Ultras 256Mb PCI-E SLI

Never been a fan of ATI cards tbh :)

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Useful Linq:
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/article.php?a=64

:angel:

EDIT: How coincidental is that my link came out as Athlon64? :D
OK, I'll get my coat...

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This sounds very similar to my migration from windows 98 looks like its back either caddying 2 hdd one with 64 one with 32,or dual booting,bet theres a few here remember how poor drivers were for xp for months after it went gold

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Just received my ASUS DRW-1608P, installed it in the case and I'm good to go now.............








......................If I had a CPU! :mad:

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and as the tension slowly builds to a crescendo :disturbd: :disturbd: :D :D