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Oh, right, so you think that these sickos who think incest is best spare a thought about contraception?? :rolleyes:

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The 'bird makes a good point.... :shrug:

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:clap:

Well said, OB :tu:

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Yes, but with regard to the former, you haven`t said how you are protected. If someone believes that it is ok to have sex with a close family member, assuming they both consent, how are you being harmed? Unless you can demonstrate the harm it would cause you, any arguments about you being protected are by definition invalid.

With regard to the latter, if you are concerned about that perhaps you should be advocating eugenics.

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Who's playing semantics now?

I never made it an absolute did I?Also I was merely asking for you to stick to my point not acting as a moderator.

Not everyone will stick to the rules.They never do.It is realised that incest will happen.Under those conditions the authorities can either say get on with it(thereby risking the wrath of certain voters-probably the majority) or totally ban it.If you say well yes it's alright under certain conditions you just confuse and send conflicting signals to the populace.

Our government still stays on the side of a total ban.I don't see them revoking it because they must have a pretty good indication that it is what the majority want.I really can't see any government having a referendum on this issue though so I may be wrong.

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Really? I thought it was an emotive bit of tabloid-esque rhetoric, based on assumptions that she is not in a position to make. I didn`t spot a single good point in the reply.

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What the majority want, or what the majority have been programmed to want? There is no absolute right or wrong here, just people having knee-jerk reactions of the type that they have been programmed to have.

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Thank you for the second put down in an hour. :rolleyes:

Of course I'm unintelligent and can't possibly know my own mind.I'm inclined to knee jerk reactions based on being 'brainwashed' by the government and can't possibly read between the lines or make up my own mind. :rolleyes:

I believe that incest is wrong on purely scientific grounds.It has been made a moral issue in the past by differing religions because they realised that the offspring of close relatives did display deformities but couldn't explain it beyond the idea that it offended a god or two.Now we have better scientific knowledge perhaps it may be time to discuss the issue further.

However having seen the errrr...rabid discussion here I think it's not one that will be discussed rationally anytime soon.

Incog signing off to do the house work. :wavey:

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Well there you go, opinions are like a***holes, everyone's got one and they all stink apart from mine :D

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OK every one take a chill pill break please :erm:

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Other people shooting up class A drugs doesn't harm me personally. Neither does money laundering or car ringing. Lets make all those things legal too then, huh? :rolleyes:

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If class A drugs were legalised and available through controlled outlets like off licences then yes, I do believe they should be legalised. It is the choice of the individual whether they want to do them or not.

As for your other two examples, money laundering and car ringing, neither of these are victimless crimes in the same was as consensual incest, so I fail to see what relevance they have to this point?

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I don`t believe that any of us are devoid of making such knee-jerk reactions on particular issues, and I do believe that they are the result of how we have been programmed to react by societal pressures. My first reaction to this story is one of "ewww", not for any absolute reason, but because I am a product of society. However, you need to be able to step back and look at things from an entirely objective viewpoint.

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OK we're starting to go :notopic: here :(

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You would be able to see if you pulled your head out of your pompous backside. :idea:

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Yeah, because then, instead of kids asking adults to get them a bottle of cider they can insist on a couple of grams of scag! You're another childless person right?

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Okay thread reopened - Please keep to the topic and no more flame wars.

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Don't worry I have no intention of contributing to this thread anymore.It's given me far more trouble than it's worth. :mad: Frankly I'm sick of being told my opinions are pointless because I can't think for myself and that I prevent others from having any opinions.


Incog :mad:

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Mighty quiet here... :erm:

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Is there anymore to be said?

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Incog,

This thread got very heated, but - for what its worth - I feel that all opinions are valid, and I can see no way in which you are preventing others from having opinions. :angel:

Hopefully the thread will resume without the constant sniping that caused the suspension, but if not - remember that this is getting into emotive issues, and people are liable to put down as facts, things that are in fact opinions or beliefs.

Maybe its time for a :ghugs:

I have already made my position clear, and will be watching the thread with interest :angel:

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But the real problem here is the person that concedes to the request of the children, not the fact that a product is on sale or not. The fact that I do not have children does not enter in to it, and I can tell you, if I did have children there are class A drugs that I would be happier them doing than alcohol.

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There is difference between saying that you cannot think for yourself and saying that your thinking is a product of programming by society, which is what I said not just of you but of everyone else. The reactions being displayed in this thread are clearly the result of this programming, their is nothing intrinsically disgusting about what has happened here, and in other cultures and at other times it has been perfectly acceptable.

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Wonderful, you get a red rep for being "off topic" when the post that earned the rep was a direct reply to one that already had been posted. I`m amazed at how many vigilante mods we have on this board these days.

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Sorry, but if you think that having sex with your mum/dad is ok, you need psychiatric help, it appears that most people are able to differentiate between right and wrong, normal and sick/twisted, you and your buddy *graham* however prefer to live outside that normality justifying such actions with your favourite word of the week "knee jerk".

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:tu:

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I really don't see why this topic needed 6 pages. It's illegal, they will be punished, no one was hurt or killed.

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Says it all really

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This went on for 16 pages mainly because of the disbelief most members had about one or two members actually thinking that a mother having sex with her son is ok because they're both adults, and cannot see any reason why there are laws against this depraved, vile, sordid act..... :sick:

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Might not of been hurt physically, but I think they and those around them, the immediate family, were hurt psychologically. Which I hazard a guess is why the majority of people think its unacceptable to engage in incest.

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i have said that before, the majority rules.

:confused: me aswell.

:rolleyes:

i dont know what it was like 50 years ago, i wasent even born then, in my experiance the only people who have said that are people who are racist.

thats just my experiance.

but ofcourse there is blatant ignorance....

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Alternatively, we have the ability to look at things objectively and accept that our concepts of right and wrong aren`t absolutes that are intrinsically defined, but are merely customs and practices imposed by societal pressures.

I've not explicitly said that incestuous relationships are ok, what I am saying is that your definition of them not being Ok is not based on anything definitive.

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Ah then in which case obviously my personal opinion is completely invalid, instead of coming out with all this complete waffle, why don't you tell us all if you think incest is wrong or not, and why? Perhaps you're too cowardly to admit that you think incest is not wrong, perhaps you don't want to commit yourself to saying that it IS wrong after criticising everyone elses opinion on the subject .. stop sitting on the fence.

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If both partners are consenting I don`t see that there is anything wrong with it in absolute terms. No-one is hurt, there are just two people getting it on in the privacy of their own home. At the end of the day, if two adults are consenting then the negative reactions to this incident are no different, and certainly no more valid, than similar reactions to inter-racial or homosexual relationships in past times.

The argument about in-breeding holds no water as there are areas of the country where a lot of inbreeding is taking place through non-incestuous relationships due to close-knit communities that now have a limited gene-pool. If, to take Orangebird's argument, she needs to be protected from potentially deformed children then surely she should be arguing for breeding controls in these areas of the country. I can`t see that happening, so it does shoot a rather large hole straight through that argument.

Take this particular case for instance, how much time and money has been wasted investigating this issue and bringing a prosecution? How much money will be wasted if the mother is given a custodial sentence? These resources could have been put to much better use if directed towards a different goal.

I think I`m perfectly entitled to describe some of the reactions in this thread as "knee-jerk" when you see descriptions such as "sickos" thrown around along with a bunch of spurious assumptions as to people's congitive processes in general simply on the grounds that two people committed incest. The argument that they wouldn`t care whether they conceived a child or not simply because they are people who engage in incest is perhaps one of the most tenuous conclusions I've seen expressed on this board.

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Unforetunately, a lot of people cannot look at situations involving possible abuse objectively, but you are right, our definitions of right and wrong aren't absolute. They are just based on what the majority of people find acceptable.

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I think this incest would have been the result of sociological damage rather than a larger cause, it does mention the family has a history of abuse.

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cutting out all the chod, what you're saying is that there's nothing wrong with incest, and in my personal opinion that make's you sick and twisted, but, as you hold no value for anyone's personal opinion, that shouldn't offend you in the slightest.

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You don't see anything wrong with a mother and son having sex?????

Go to a middle eastern country (Iran is a damn good example) - the argument about in-breeding holds water there. Have you actually seen a child/baby that's a result of it's mother being it's uncles sisters brothers etc etc etc. It's heartbreaking, and tantamount to abuse IMO. I don't need protecting - people who think this is OK need protecting from themselves...

Showing the general public that sexual abuse will not be tolerated is a very worthwhile way to use resources.

IMO, having sex with your mother/father/brother/sister is sick. Hence the use of words sicko, sick puppy etc. Tenuous my argument maybe, but a lot of people here seemed to agree, and I'm sticking to it. If you can't get your head around the fact that not only is it illegal, but just downright wrong to shag a member of your immediate family, then it personally doesn't bode well that you have any sensible (regardless of how many big words you use... ) conclusions about anything else in life either.

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OFF TOPIC: Dr Wadd why don't you just put all your information into 1 reply and not 3? It floods the topic.

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OK time for me to dive in !! :disturbd:

The situation here has nothing whatsoever to do with adults or consent. It has to do with incest - which is illegal (at least in the UK). Morality is not the issue or whether government have the right to legislate.

Incest has been outlawed because, I think, of the genetic problems that might arise and also, as mentioned earlier, to prevent 'grooming'. IMO quite rightly. Anyway it is illegal and as such these two committed a crime in the eyes of UK law.

I recall a while ago about a man (in Germany ?) who advertised for someone to kill him. There was obvious consent, but IIRC the killer was arrested, tried and sentenced for a crime. I await to be corrected, but I think that was the outcome. :erm:

With regard to Incog & OB's comments, I know that if the roles were reversed and the father had had sex with his daughter, the father would most likely be still locked up now ! The law and society in general would have viewed it as a much more serious offence - even with apparent consent. :rolleyes:

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I would think that it is quite likely that at least one of the partners is also going to be in another relationship though, Father/Mother Son/Girlfriend Daughter/Boyfriend, also that there is another parent and possibly other siblings around. Whilst no physical harm or physical abuse is occurring between these consenting partners, there are many others surrounding the relationship that are likely to be hurt by it. I imagine most incestuous multi-generational relationships are conducted in secret, a bit like having an affair.

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Did I not just answer that question? :rolleyes:

I feel so much better knowing that you have my protection at heart.


There was consent, therefore it was not abuse.

I am aware that it is illegal, if I wasn`t then how could I argue about the waste of resources above?

Ah, such a reasoned argument you have there.

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As I've said, go back 100 years or so and it was very common in Britain.

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The same however can be said for homosexual, age-gap (speaking from experience) or multi-racial (speaking from experience) relationships. Many of those are conducted behind closed doors as they too are likely to hurt others surrounding the relationship.

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Sadly yes they are, but they are legal and that does not make incest right IMHO.

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But they didn't used to be legal. The arguments many people have been making against incest are identical to ones used against the relationships I mentioned.
Increased possibility of genetic defects and the potential to "groom" a child as it grows up are the only real reasons I can give to back up the illegality of incest.

Anyone care to comment on those two reasons?

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Aaah, yes, many people said that if you think a black and white couple is OK, you need psychiatric help. If you think oral sex is fine, you need psychiatric help.

So what makes YOUR opinion so special?

Mind you, I think it is sick, but two things: I don't think it warrants psychiatric help, and, it is NONE OF MY BUSINESS.

Can you distinguish by people merely granting a right to people to do something and actually voicing an approval?


Example.

I don't smoke, and I think it is sick and filthy. BUT, I don't go around proclaiming it should be illegal to smoke.

I don't use weed, BUT, I don't go around yelling it should stay illegal. I don't condone using it, but it is someone's personal decision. NOT YOURS.


Bifta: Thank you so much for the red rep. I especially like the part where you said "but you need to lose again." Does it make you feel powerful? You know, of course, you're not supposed to rep for simple disagreements. :td:

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Actually you should re-read it, perhaps properly this time, and take a look at the post that I gave you the negative rep for. I'd say it was justified and nothing to do with a simple disagreement, unlike the one you gave me yesterday.

And here you go again, making wild comparisons, today it's smoking and incest! What have you got up your sleeve for us tomorrow? I can hardly wait!

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We don't think it is OUR decision, the government isn't going to listen to us, WE ARE JUST TALKING ABOUT IT!

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you cheeky git , you red repped me for disagreeing :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

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OK I recommend this topic is closed, it's getting out of hand, and every one is getting p*ssed off at each other :(

EDIT: Come on you lot, your supposed to be older than me, I'm acting more mature here (no offence) PLEEEEASE sort it, I don't want to feel as if I'm mature WHEN YOUR SUPPOSED TO BE :rolleyes:

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I'm surprised noone's mentioned Freud yet.

I wouldn't like the thread closed, but I think anyone who is continuing circular arguements should stop. Expecially the 'but it's disgusting' and 'knee-jerk reaction'.

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Increased possibility of genetic defects and the potential to "groom" a child as it grows up are the only real reasons I can give to back up the illegality of incest.

Anyone care to comment on those two reasons?

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Genetic defects, as pointed out in this thread can equally apply to those with haemophillia, CF and other geneticalyl transmitted conditions, they are allowed to procreate, so this is a procreate with caution scenareo as Eugenics is not something we want to be promoting. Come on Jerrek - Hitler did promote this...

Grooming is the real reason this is so wrong, parent child and even sibling relationships should have an element of trust in them that means when you are told right and wrong, that is the norm. It seems the scenareo here is easier to discuss as those involved are over 16/18 however to end up in this position, the sons definitions of normal and acceptable must have been severly screwed up by his parents (and the article does indicate a history of abuse).

As a parent you are in a position of trust, sleeping with your children in this manner is an abuse of this, as a sibling (i am thinking more of a older sibling relationship here) you are also often put in the same position for periods of time, the same level of trust should apply.

I'm suprised that formerly black, formely popular, singer have not appeared in this thread yet.

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Well, suppose a white child is raised by a black family, and the dad teaches the boy that it is right to date inter-racially...

We should make this illegal immediately because it is disgusting.

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Erm, yeah. Ok. I think we'll have to agree to disagree on this one..

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(I do hope you weren't getting me mixed up with Jerrek! :disturbd: )

Good point about the genetic defects, we don't practice eugenics with people who already have genetic defects, so why should we do it against people who only "may" have genetic defects.
Remember, you may have a defective recesive gene, but that doesn't mean a close family member of the opposite gender automatically has it too.


So, that leaves the protection against grooming as a valid reason for keeping incest illegal, after all, we have similar rules against the risk of teachers/doctors and other influential/authority figures grooming children.


Edit - Can we keep away from the "it's disgusting" arguments? they're just personal opinions.

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In the interests of "seperating the wheat from the chaff" (plus the fact I've had perhaps the worst day at work of my life :D) I think we should have a poll asking: "Do you think it is acceptable for a mother to have sex with her son?".....:angel:

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Straight answer, NO.

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No he just occasionally throws that mans name into discussions.

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Can't we just work on a undisputable reason for keeping it illegal, like the protection of children?

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No

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I think Jerrek was being sarcastic there, not serious.

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:td:

So, you believe that if an 11 year old girl consents to have sex with a man then that's not abuse because she consented :erm:

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That is not the context of the case that is being discussed here. Clearly the example you have quoted is abuse, but its relevancy to this case in question is questionable.

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What did he just say? :erm:

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What :confused:

I feel some squirming going on. You clearly stated "There was consent, therefore it was not abuse". Now, when presented with another case of consent, you state it "is abuse".

Which view should we believe you hold ?

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The case in question is between to consenting adults.
Where is the abuse between them?

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This thread is not about the age of consent, it is about two adults who had reached the age of consent. Any discussion within this thread therefore has to be taken within that context. It is therefore logical that we define consent, for the purposes of this debate, in the same manner as we accept in law.

The two adults in this case can therefore legally give consent, both did, so it is not abuse. In the hypothetical situation you gave as an example, the girl is 11 years old, and therefore even if she says that she consents, she is not considered to be capable of giving consent in the first instance, therefore abuse has occurred.

I`m afraid you'll find no squirming going on here, it is perfectly justified to classify the example in the original case as non-abuse, and the hypothetical example as you gave without any contradiction.

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That's your opinion.....my view is that we have here a classic case of family abuse.

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Please prove the detrimental effects it has on the 18-year old's psychie. It is up to you to prove abuse.

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How come you never seem to prove anything you say then?

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He's a living contradiction.

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eh?

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:rofl:

Classic canadian response :)

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OFF TOPIC: Look at Jerreks reputation :p:

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ew ew ew ew, we've not had a red one before! :erm: :erm: :disturbd: :angel:

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Ouch
Do red balls increase as your rep drops?

Back on topic, just had a thought about why the mother is being charged and not the son.
He's 18 right? But how 18?
Think about how many months it takes to get a case to court, it could be that at the time of the offence, he was under 18, or have I missed something in the article?

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His mother had sex with him WITHOUT his consent (I think) which is why this went to court.

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I refer you to this post:
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...6&postcount=31
And here: http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...0&postcount=36
You make it clear you wish to protect the raising of children as a 'pillar of society'. You are convinced same sex couples will distort this yet you offer no proof or evidence to those conclusions. Despite this you wish to legalise drugs which have strong evidence that it leads to detrimental affects on children, and legalise incest which could encourage child grooming.

The government should not advocate morality, yet can prevent gays from screwing up their own adopted children, and encourage abstiance.

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Tsk. there he goes again picking and choosing which bit's of his "religion" suit his lifestyle.

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Put better than I could ever have hoped too :tu:

I think the work I'm stumbling around for is "gotcha"

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How do we know this is the first time?
If he was 16 (the UK age of consent) would it be different?

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Ok, let's have a quick summary here:

1) There are some people who think that incest is wrong, full stop, not even when it involves consenting adults and is not for procreation.

2) There are some who think that what consenting adults do in private is nobody's business but their own.

On the first point I have not seen *any* reasonable proof or logical argument to back up *why* it is wrong, just circular arguments of "it's wrong because it's incest and incest is wrong" and "it disgusts me and lots of others" which, whilst emotive, is not exactly a reasonable argument.

On the second point I have seen reasoned arguments in favour this, yet I haven't seen anyone demonstrate *why* what consenting adults do (especially if not for procreation) should be the business of others.

Frankly I have no more interest in contributing to this thread because I enjoy having a reasonable debate but I'm not going to hang around to simply be abused for simply holding a "non-majority" viewpoint.

:walk:

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What ever that was, thank you for removing it Mick :erm:

I'm not posting anything else on this topic, do be truthful it's starting to freak me out :(

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That guy looks like someone i know lol. There are some wierd ppl out there, God man that is dirty. This is sending shivers down my spine. Anyway think of the husband if the minger has 1. Think of what she said to him:

wife: err malcom (or whatever his name is) im havin an affair
Husband: Ho my god just tell me who its with plz
Wife: erm its with our son
Husband::Yikes:

lol

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I take it the edited post by Mick is the reason that Jerrek has been banned?

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Graham, to be fair, if holding a 'non-majority' viewpoint, was the whole point, you would have a point, and no doubt a dog called Arrow :D

- but, people have been expressing how they feel & what their opinion is about this emotive subject - there can be no "proof or logical argument", for that?

- in my view, this is one issue where keeping one's own council (counsel?) is best :shrug:

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Personally the thought of a mother engaging in a sexual activity with her son at any age be it 18, 16 or 30 or whatever makes me sick to the stomach, how some people can say its got nothing to do with anyone is beyond me, if it wrecks families its got every bloody right to do with other members of the immediate family.

Was not only thing. So he's now gone. Harmony has now been restored again and do not even think of re-registering again Jerrek. :nono:

I saw this in another thread and I think its rather good and applies here for future reference:-

http://www.saunalahti.fi/sakarit/kerro-lisaa/troll.jpg

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I think I would put myself in the first camp, the reason being that for those two consenting adults to get to that position it has probably resulted from an upbringing that indicated that such relationships were normal and acceptable, when in reality that is not the perception of the majority. I would also imagine that those involved had probably been in a relationship that was abusive to some degree, mental or physical, as someone has commented earlier, if the son can only show his love to his mother in a sexual physical manner then that relationship needs work.

If those involved had a healthy upbringing and decided that they really were the ones for each other then so be it, some DNA testing and they can procreate for all I care.

I guess where this is heading is that I think the current situation has arisen due to issues that social services and welfare should have picked up and managed a decade or so ago.

On the other unsnipped part of your post I would like to thank you for your reasoned and well constructed opposing viewpoint. Para 2 above would probably not have existed 290 posts ago, though this has run its course, especially if Jerrek, normally controversial, though not normally banning material has got there.

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Damnit, I'm away for a day and I miss all the fun. I don't know if it has been said before (lot of pages to check through, but i'll say it again just in case)

The obvious point in my mind is the reason they made Incest illegal in the first place. I.e. If the woman was impregnated, then that child would run the very high risk of serious deformaties from recessive genes meeting. Now you could argue that way that what if you use contraception? Well, no, because no contraception is 100%. And then you could get the idea, what about if they agree to have an abortion, in case? Well, that leads to another moral minefield. Generally it is best to err on the side of caution, i'd think.

Second point about the morals. Morals are subjective opinions, and noone has the right answer, regardless of what it might be. There is no right answer.

And I'm not picking on you here Graham. Just happened to be the first post I came across relevant to what I wanted to say. I'm not attacking you or anything.

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I would bet that there are several members of this forum who wouldn't have been alive if not for incest.
No I am not talking about your parents so don't get offended! :)
Trace your families back to your greatgrandparents or further and you may be suprised!
Now there's a scary thought to leave you with! :erm:

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Have you got a link to this new info?

Exactly how can someone force a man to get an erection?

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I'm not even going there.

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I think this thread serves as a good example of why I cringe when I glance at the thread listing for the Current Affairs forum, and why I think forums are better off not discussing current affairs. It's a troll playground and about as safe as a circus skills day at the RNIB.

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:confused: What? :confused:

Sorry If I'm stupid :dunce:

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If you could expand your question a little... :)

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I didn't get a word you said basically :p:

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I think he may be referring to Jerrek's pre ban comments?