Re: Surprise surprise
 

Good thing it is just the 'evil republicans' that are doing it. I mean, extreme lefties wouldn't stoop so low...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=163464
http://www.epionline.org/news_detail.cfm?rid=33

In a race that has gotten out of control, both sides are trying to stop at nothing in order for them to get this election. I would also like to remind people the whole reason this all started was because of severe democrat voter fraud in Miami, which lead to the voter rolls being cleaned out in the first place.

For those who still insist that Bush stole the election:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...loridamain.htm
http://www.latimes.com/la-111201recount.story

Interesting also that democrats complain that the electoral college got Bush in, and so therefore must be dismantled, but they are saying the EC might get Kerry in this time, so I wonder if they'll still complain about it, especially given Bush has a 1% lead in the most recent polls.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

So?
Like i said, He does no worse than the rest of the media.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

So? Just because he's as bad as the rest of the media doesn't stop him being someone who distorts facts and outright lies to sell books and films, i.e. people shouldn't be gullible enough to believe his version of the USA.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Why single him out though? He represents a tiny proportion of factual media output yet you have seen fit to pitch him in the same sentence as Bush and, without any knowledge of his books or movies, to dismiss him completely.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Noone is singling him out, but why should he be exempt from criticism either? Because his message is 'good'? Well, that is what China always says about themselves.

It may seem like he is being singled out, but it is only because he is the biggest, and most profilic, so he would get most of pressure on him.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

I don't need to read anything by Hans Christian Andersen to know it's a fairy tale.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

That really is a pathetic response.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Don't you have to know something of a person's work to be able to criticise it?
I'm all for critique. Popping you head up and saying "X" is a liar without any first hand experience of his work is not really critique.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

No more pathetic than that.

I said I wouldn't entertain any of his work, I never said I hadn't, I've read "Dude, where's my country" that was more than enough tripe to read in a lifetime. I'm sorry that I (and others) can't declare the same sort of undying love for Moore that you obviously have, too bad though, deal with it.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

People like David Kopel,David Hardy, Jason Clarke scrutinise every word he says/writes/videos.

I have watched Bowling, Fahrenheit, read most of SWM, but I don't think it matters. The people I mentioned above do the hard work so we don't have to. I never say blindly follow them though. Read both sides and make up your mind, like I do.

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Care to elaborate on what this statement is implying ?

No im in no way pro bush just as im not really pro Tony B.Lair

How ever I really do not think Kerry would be a strong leader, In fact in my own personal opinion if Kerry was sent a video from alquaeda (Osama going "BOO")
He would run and hide under his bed

Re: Surprise surprise
 

Just to elaborate a bit, because my last post wasn't very clear. Those people, when they scrutinise Moore, they include what Moore produced, in its context, and then produces the rebuttal. So by reading those sites, you are effectively reading/watching Moore, without having to make him rich in the process.

Jeb Bush also, is nothing like his brother. I was actually a bit disappointed the other day when he ruled himself out of running for president in 2008, as I think he'd make a good one. He seems like a nice guy, just has the misfortune to have a crappy family. Even one of my very liberal friends, to my amazement, agreed with me there.

Actually Jeb Bush really doesn't have a lot of luck with relations. His daughter is a ex-convict drug addict and his wife is a shop-a-holic who tried to get round customs (all fairness, we all do, she just got caught). You have to feel sorry for him.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...r/road_to270_1

Why don't they just save us all a lot of hassle and tosds for it. The EC is tied, the margin of error in polls is larger than the difference in percentage points.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Well, well, well....

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/sto...92807c.html#68

Re-enforces my belief, that it isn't just the republicans that are scheming, the democrats have always been just as bad, or as it is looking now, worse. I think in reality though it is impossible to have a voter registration system that is 100% accurate and foolproof, or even close. People have said on here, that a brand new, re-designed from the ground up, ID card system with an almost unlimited budget and the latest technology won't be fool proof enough to succeed, so what chance does the conventional voting system stand? Making life harder is that each state is almost like a country in its own right (for good reasons), and so that intercooperation makes it even more difficult. Apparently both sides are already preparing lawyers for an appeals process (thanx Gore for that precedent). With the polls tighter than ever (and given Bush occaisonal 1 and 2 point leads with a 4 point margin of error, I can't see this presidency being decided very soon at all.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

LOL, yeah. I think the Democrats alone have a team consisting of thousands of lawyers, ready to contest results

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=186540&page=1

I agree. No matter the initial result, with things being so close, & with the memories of Florida 2000 in their minds, I think both sides will be fighting in the courts long after Tuesday....

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

I dont think its fair to blame gore

Remember how many people got kkicked off the electoral roles, manily african-americans who overwealming vote Democrate

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Yeah, then figure the amount of republican votes were cost in the very republican Florida panhandle with that early call for Gore. I don't blame Gore though (although I thought the way he tried to petition the supreme court to recount the votes in all senarios that he thought he'd win under, was wrong).

I have just seen "Panorama" (well missed a bit of the begining and a couple of mins of the middle), but it seems like BBC's campaign against the republicans is progressing nicely. Balanced? it was abusurdly one sided. The only two sentenced which balanced it out (where it conceded that Bush won fairly, and that had these phantom votes counted it still would not have conclusively called Gore president, with the fact that the democrats are upto skullduggery themselves) were so quickly and quietly ushered, I almost coughed and missed them. Along with "Abusurd conspiracy theories and inane ramblings backed with clips of B and C line horror movies", sorry I meant "The Power Of Nightmares", their campaign of 'fair and balanced' broadcasting. It is largely harmless with regards to the election, but is trying to push the already high worldwide hatred against America (Or rather the American right) that bit higher.

I am not trying to campaign for support for Bush or anything (I'd probably vote for Kerry because of my views on gays, abortion, etc, although I hate them both), but a bit of fairness wouldn't go amiss.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

I think the bbc is very fair, anyway when it comes to bias bbc news has to be treated diffrently from bbc entertainment

I didnt see how the bbc was against republicans in that they did give both sides

Also the ppower of nightmeres is a study of fear which is an issue and you cant expect the bbc not to air it because it looks bad on the americans. Fear is powerful and is a big issue in the election.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

I think the BBC is fair at times, don't get me wrong, but times like this, it is way out of balance. I don't think the republicans were given a fair chance to respond. Especially with the way the commentator lead the broadcast. Panorama was never supposed to be fair to them. Along with the odd things here and there, like finding two old rednecks in a bar and let them make a fool of themselves, then find some smart democrats and let them shine. BBC News didn't mention this which I think is rather serious, and therefore newsworthy.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

All of whom had the chance to have their names put back on the electrol role if they wanted to vote.
A lot of counties ignored the list because of the problems and therefore more criminals (who allegedly vote dem) were able to vote when they shouldn't have been.
Using all the main counting techniques the republicans still won in 2004.
You can bitch and moan and cry foul as much as you like but it doesn't change the fact they got more votes.
No I don't like it either, but it's their electoral system, and until they vote to change it, nothing can be done.


The BBC is far from impartial on most of their reporting.
Just look how they depict the Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
In the BBC world view, Gazza and the west bank are Palestine, rather than part of Egypt and Jordan.

Or reporting on Iraq, when did the BBC last run positive reports on how it's being rebuilt?

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

:clap: I thought it was a good post and repped you before the edit, but the edit made it even better. Incidently, the last time the BBC mentioned any positive reconstuction in Iraq is when al-Zarawi and his mates blew up a brand new water plant and killed a load of Iraqis (I think it was the same day that the bombed a children's school bus?)

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Thanks for that punky :blush:

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

kerry looks to me like someone u will see on 24/alias/west wing - the shifty looking one whos always up to something nasty and in it for his own ..also from what ive heard he does just seem to say what the people want to hear if it wasnt for the war in iraq he wouldnt have a lot to say ..and it seems not everyone is against the war its just u constantly read stuff as it seems fashionable to bash bush (ooerr)

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

If you look back on some of the old maps you'll find that Palestine covered Israel and many of the countries on its borders.

When Palestine was broken down into today's constituent countries e.g. Israel, Syria , Jordan etc. every Palestinian had a home in one of those countries.

The problem has always been the Arab-Israeli conflict. If the Arabs left the Israelis alone and respected their borders, Israel would be free to do the same.

The difficulty now is that we are in a cycle of retaliation between the two groups and neither side is strong enough to break the cycle for fear of appearing weak.

There was uprest in that part of the world at the time when Jesus was born and the way things are going the problem will still exist in another two thousand years.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

That is very true. People are only voting for him because they hate Bush, not because he would make a good president. A couple of sites to show what I mean:

http://johnkerryads.websiteanimal.com/

http://www.kerryoniraq.com/ (And watch Kerry On Iraq videos)

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

And Bush is the dumb one who doesn't have a clue himself and is constantly relying on others to tell him what he should do and being manipulated by those who have their own agendas which have nothing to do with making the world or America a safer or better place, but only lining their own pockets...!

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

If this is true, at least it shows Kerry has a brain, unlike Bush the NeoCon puppet.

which, come to think of it, is actually what Graham already said :) :tu:

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

There's a lot of "political lore" regarding presidential elections.

One is that, since 1936, every time the Washington Redskins have lost their last Sunday match before the election, the incumbent president loses the election.

The Redskins lost on Sunday..... ;)

Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Bush looks set to win the election after winning flordia and ohio, but ohio look set to cause problem as the first network to call it was Fox news and only 90% of the vote has been counted but it seems with the popular vote going to bush that this wont last as long last time

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

BBC hasn't called it yet - but Bush is going to win - overall it's less close than 2000 and he got in then. It's terribly sad though - the only hope for the world is that he makes such an enormous f-up of the whole thing for the next four years that the extremist faction he represents is discredited enough that the Democrats can overcome them. Requires a certain amount of clue-getting amongst the Democrats though, they haven't fought this one properly.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

ummm 270 needed

249 to bush atm
242 to kerry atm

ohio = 20 so even ohio doesnt win on its own

whats up with peoples maths today ?

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

IMO Kerry is such an unknown 'no mark' he couldn't hope to win any votes on his own agenda (which was ??). The worrying thing is I think any votes he did win were more of a vote against Dubya - and that seems to be about half the US population.

I fear for the world under Bush and a gullible US population !! :disturbd:

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

http://www.yahoo.com

Bush is at 254 on this site.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Yep Nevada just called in the last 5-10 mins making it 254

EDIT: but not secured as oits apparently still to close

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Just saw this on The Inquirer after looking at the BBC website with all the flash stuff..

"Macromedia Flash the only winner in US election "

Was quite funny.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Well if Bush gets elected again, World war 3 is just round the corner.
Osama Bin Laden has already promised to bomb all Bush voters states so its only the start of another big war.

Not a good thing at all.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

As soon as it's over, by pure co-incidence... more US troops will be off to Iraq and the big operation to deal with the 'insurgents/terrorists etc' will commence.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Looks like we may not know for definite for a couple of weeks - all hangs on those disputed Ohio votes - but looking at the map I would say the US is a divided country - BBC map (yes, it uses Macromedia!)

It looks to me like the 'sensible' North-East and West coasts have gone for Kerry and the 'cowboys' in the centre and South-East have gone for Dubya. A pretty poor decision by most of small town America IMHO.

Who will Bush invade next?

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

im happy if Bush got back in seems that all the Bush haters are infact in the minority, it just happens to be a sad fact that every 12 year old kid in europe hates the fella as it seems "cool" granted you dont often read posts supporting the fella on forums but heh its a forum its a place for people to moan and having Bush in power seems a graet excuse for the same people to bring up the same boring facts time and time again :) I bet Moore is upset if bush wins i look forward to another 4 years of constant "boohoo we shouldnt of gone to iraq" etc he cant be doing that bad a job if he gets voted in ... of course they should get another Regan in he didnt have a clue what he was doing but he let his staff do it and they knew what was what.

world does seem to be a little bit safer apart from russia have some nasty issues earlier :(

i think thats a good thing you cant give in i imagine any country is working overtime in stopping attacks u just dont hear about them unless they are successfull and then its just what the media want you to hear ive noticed the mirror has stopped trying to get its people on grounded planes these days maybe they will start reporting the news instead of making it up :)

btw nothing wrong in hating bush and his war etc just id like it if people just didnt jump on the bandwagon look beyond the paper they read on the tube and explore the facts...."tree of liberty.... "and all that...

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

254 to Bush
252 to Kerry

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Foxnews say's 269 to Bush and 242 to Kerry, weird.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

I may be wrong, but didn't Fox mis-declare the results of the last election? So everyone thought that Bush had won, even though, technically, he hadn't, as all the votes had not been counted? Apparently, that was part of the problem people had in trying to convince america that Bush had actually not won, because they thought it was all over, when in fact it wasn't :)

lol, I'm still optimistic about this whole thing :p:

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Really :confused:

I'm sure the people of Madrid would agree with you there, and the family or the Dutch film maker murdered 36 or so hours ago, and Salman Rushtie who is still living under the threat of death, plus the families of the soldiers of the Black Watch in Iraq now based in the American AoR (Area of Responsibility).

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Lol 3 hours difference between our posts Gary and Bifta, some more couting has been done, Hence my first post showing poor maths and some jumping the gun going round. ;)

Anyway it is now looking like Bush is in but theres still 3-4 states in the balance, Wisconin or whatever its called isnt 100% confirmed yet but looks like it should be Kerrys the other 3 are leaning towards Bush, Ohio Iowa and New Mexico

Still 254 and 242 but with Wisconin its almost a level game aside from the other last 3 have a tinge more red than blue

The whitehouse is convinced Bush has won.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Er .. my post is totally different to your original, you said 249 to Bush, I said Foxnews claimed it's 269 to Bush

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

:rolleyes:

In 2000 Fox did call it for Gore like everyone else did, but not many people know that. I am suprised Florida was republican by such a big margin, but Kerry has won WI and NH (by so tight margins), so that is encouraging for him.

Looks like the Kerry team isn't going to quit though until they find some sort of count that makes them the winners.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

just pointing out that every hour or 2 it will have changed up to this point, as for foxnews, well we know which side of the fence they sit on, best bet is look at a UK news channel thats less likely to be biased but be taking all the US news calls etc into account.

Anyway for the absolute final desicison we now have to wait and see if theres any real need to count he provisional votes. If not we can expect a final result today of bush winning else it could take a week or 2 to finalise

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

im not sure i can blame bush for a dead dutch dude and salman rushtie wrote a book that ****ed a lot of people off before bush was in power not a lot to do with him i didnt mention everything bad in the world just what was very recent.. and to me the world seems safer

I just discovered a worst case scenario description http://rantsrefugees.proboards29.com...num=1098466161

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Bush is ahead on the popular vote by rather a lot, which is why even if there's a debate about individual states a la Florida last time out, he's deserved to win because more people voted for him. I don't like it one bit, but if you think that Gore should have won in 2000 because he got 500,000 more votes than Bush you have to say Bush should win this time because he's about 3.8m votes up.

Bet Osama's happy.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Apparently Blair isnââ‚Âà ‚¬ÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â‚¬Å¾Ã‚¢t going to comment until a clear winner is declared †“ sensible I guess, he needs to make sure he kisses the right butt :D

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

It doesn't matter who wins, Kerry isn't keen on Blair after he refused to support him in the election run up.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Undecided states:

Iowa, New Mexico and Ohio. Bush leads in all states, Ohio being the most important one. There, he leads by ca. 130'000 votes. That's too big a margin for Kery to catch up.
Furthmore: Bush leads the public vote by almost 4 million and managed to get more than 50% (--> mandate)
The Republicans gained in both the house of representatives and the senat

Overal: one of the most successful election nights ever for the republicans and a disaster for the democrats (even Daschle lost his race for senate...)

While I'm no Bush supporter, one has to acknowledge the stunning performance of his campaign team and their tactics (focussing on moral values rather than issues)

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Who needs Blair when you have Kim Jong Il, Hamas, and (allegedly) Al Qaeda supporting you?

I am a bit worried about the whole alliances thing though with Kerry. Kerry seems to want to disenfranchise our current ones, for France and Germany, as if suddenly they'll come in and everything will be alright. Dick Morris (ex-Clinton advisor) said it absolutely rightly. With the WOT you need Pakistan. Pakistan is worth a thousand Frances, with actually fighting the terror where it is. Pakistan has played a crucial role in arresting/killer virtually all the big names in the WOT so far. Bush did well to get them on our side, but I don't think Kerry is going to keep that going?

I think it is the other way around. The democrats had it in the palm of their hands like 9 months ago, but unbelievably managed to screw it up. The nominations fighting, Kerry's flip-flopping, Kerry's past, and the fact that Kerry just hasn't made it clear how he will do all these miraculous things he said he will. That frightens voters. Hatred for Bush has always remained steady, but 9 months, things were so bleak and it never looked like he could win. If it goes to Bush, then he never won, Kerry lost it. (In my view anyways).

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Kerry concedes so now the topic stands correct.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Yeah, I almost fell off my chair when I read that Kerry conceded. I am glad it is all over and noone can dispute it now (although I don't doubt they will).

After all that bluster, defiance, hype nd buildup... He concedes pretty much without a fight. I suppose the 2% (Ohio) and 5% (Florida) were fairly big margins though.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Yep-it's all over for another 4 years.....

http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0...158049,00.html

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Well last night I was surfing between Sky News, BBC News 24, ITN and CNN and none of *them* agreed on the total number of electoral college votes the two candidates had!

One had Bush and Kerry neck and neck with 207 to 204, another had them with Bush on 211 and Kerry on 144!!

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Let's welcome the President of the United Kingdom back into office...At least Tony Blair (Bush' remote operating officer) knows where he's been!

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Well hopefully in a few months we'll be sending Bush a clear message that we're no longer his lap-dogs. Come to think of it, if Howard does get in Bush is going to regret saying that he didn't want to meet him.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

He did get in, the election was a couple of weeks ago. You mean John Howard of Australia?

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

Can you fix my title to take out the *wins* thing

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

AGH! FOUR MORE DAMN YEARS OF THAT EVIL MONKEY!!! :mad:

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

I'm speechless... :(

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Bleh.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Glad kerry didn't get in though, to be honest. I agree Bush isn't a viable alternative, but Kerry's not president material in my opinion.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

AGH!!!!!!!! :mad:


So, what next for the US under Dubya....

Another war? Iran? Syria? N Korea?

More job losses? More economic problems? Even less people with proper medicare or social security?

Hmm...and don't forget that the Republican dominated Congress will easily be able to push through Ashcroft's new "PATRIOT Act 2"...bye bye to more civil liberties.

Plus it'll soon be time for Dubya's dream of oil drilling in the Alaskan reserve.

Oh, & Bush will now easily be able to pack the US Supreme Court with extreme right wing judges, who will quite happily wipe out various past landmark rulings such as Roe v Wade, & probably make other decisions which will shape American life for years/decades to come.



DAMN DAMN DAMN.


Oh well......so, Election 2008....... Arnie v Hillary? ;)

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

lets see, bush is in for four more years, he creates more enemies, the americans start to blame everyone else but themselves, america becomes more distanced with all areas of the world, (except for britain) people in other countries begin to question what bush is doing the loose canon!

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Not sure if this counts as funny or offensive...

http://cdn-channels.netscape.com/cpp.../i/asshole.jpg

And guess who comes up?

Note that isn't a mal-typed URL, that is legitmately part of Netscape's news page, in conjunction with CNN. Oddly enough, for me, it loads up the picture when I click the link, when I hit refresh, it says cannot be found. Hit refresh again, and it comes back.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

i get a 404 every time i try... refreshing just brings back the same thing as well :shrug:

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

I have attached a screen shot. I am not using a proxy. Please be assured, I have not tampered with this at all.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Yes, I get the same, a Compuserve search page with "page not found" message. Refreshing alternates between the jpg and the Compuserve page.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

http://us.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/page.../epolls.0.html

Interesting statistics :)

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Whoa, lots of great stats there. Vast majority what I would have suspected. I thought that the latino vote was exclusively republican. They voted democrat by a huge majority this time.

Edit: It is also interesting how Fox are not allowed to show any praise against Bush in any way, yet Netscape and CNN are free and clear to call Bush an what they did. Pffffft.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

I watched my Fahrenheit 9/11 DVD again tonight and it deepy saddens me that we have to put up with this idiot telling our PM what to do for the next 4 years.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

No Michael Howard!! There was a news story a few weeks ago about him wanting to meet with Bush and Bush refused.

Re: Bush *wins* ohio, secound term in office
 

:dunce: Of course. Sorry.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Actually it seems that it may be the other way around. As much as I hate to say it.

Apparently when bush came into office blair was the one who introduced him to the outside world. Explaining the middle east and iraq to him. When September 11th happened Blair made a speech which was put around the white house pinned on boards, on computers, in emails etc etc. It was the Speech about 9/11 "This is a moment to seize. The Kaleidoscope has been shaken. The pieces are in flux. Soon they will settle again. Before they do, let us re-order this world around us."

This went down well and bush was inspired by it. During the Iraq war it was blair who convinced bush to try for the UN approval.

Obviously I cannot confirm this, but this has been the line coming from books newspapers from people close to No 10 and the White house. Many people have said that Blair is quite a infulence on G.W. Bush and no one has suggested it is actually the other way around (apart from the cartoons and the media). I havent seen anyone close to either of them that suggested the relationship was blair sucking up to bush.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Moore's going to be telling B.liar what to do for the next 4 years??? There's a scary thought!
Labour are quite apt at telling porkies and half truths without his skills at the same

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

I've just been sent this link

http://www.nakedcellist.org/2004election_by_iq.png

I shall refrain from commenting.

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

This is an old (I have posted it before, but maybe on .com) but very funny version of the State of the Union address.. http://staffweb.cms.gre.ac.uk/~cs39/...shwhacked2.mov

Before you click it, it's 14 Megabytes in size, so you dial up users will have to wait a bit for the download..

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Just got this link from a pal of mine in a very democratic area of the USA....

http://www.reuters.co.uk/printerFrie...storyID=616225

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

Couldn't be bothered to start a new thread, so.....


It's time for a change in Bush's Cabinet for his next term....


Attorney General John Ashcroft resigned last week :D :D

... but Secretary of State Colin Powell has also resigned :( :( (damn, the only member of the Bush team I - and a lot of the world - actually liked & respected)

"Condi" Rice is being promoted from National Security Advisor to Sec. State, to replace General Powell :erm: (oh well, better than having "Wolfy" running State).

Alberto Gonzales (currently White House Counsel) has been nominated to replace Ashcroft as Attorney General.


Rumsfeld is apparently/hopefully going to be leaving his position as Secretary of Defence :)

Oh, & Dick Cheney was in hospital again recently. Oh, if only he would just resign....

Re: [Merged] 2004 US Presidential Election
 

The nuts are a-massing in the chambers of the white house