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But we are now prepared all we have to do is

1 stop educating people
2 don't sit on park benches
3 don't cut your hair
4 make sure business becomes unviable
5 get everyone to sit on their arses at home
6 make sure there's plenty of bog roll

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No - Colds can be a coronavirus or a rhinovirus, and vaccines for one form of coronavirus don’t often work on others (they are deigned for the specific family of coronavirus, not generally).

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It would be nice but no. If that was the case then having a coronavirus based cold in the past would protect you from COVID which would be great!

There is some evidence of residual immunity in unexposed people suggesting previous unknown coronavirus infection raises a response but the levels seem to be low unfortunately.

Also, as Hugh says, rhinoviruses are a big cause (30-80% of infections)

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The Times link in text for those who have access.

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My dad had just had his second Pfzier jab.


so when I have my 2nd AZ jab on 7th June, I'll be a happy bunny.

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Can someone please explain why vaccine passports are discriminatory?


Surely these are needed to protect people.

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Do you mean a vaccine passport to allow foreign travel, or a vaccine passport to go to the pub/theatre/football?

It will only be a few more months until most UK people have had their first jab.
Most children (apparently) will have already had Covid by then - if we go by the amount of positive tests in schools.

By the time vaccine passports are securely available - with safeguards for those 'unable' to be vaccinated and a method of stopping forgeries - there will be no need for one.

Foreign travel is another fish filled kettle altogether ;)

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I agree with Carth, some form of confirmation that a traveller may need to produce with their passport could well be required when travelling abroad but...

The only people who I can see who would have cause to not want a vaccination 'passport' for use to access places within the UK on are, on basic level, those who have refused the vaccinations and fear that their freedom to do what they want in future could be curtailed.

On another level I do wonder what difference they would make as we don't yet know how long a vaccination would provide sufficient antibodies to give any long term protection and a vaccine passport could promote a false sense of security.

I also wonder how detailed and verifiable any 'passport' would be, without a photograph they would just become something that was as much use as a blank piece of paper. A full blown secure document which would have to be updated and renewed would cost a lot of money and I doubt if a lot people would be able to bear the cost. If the cost was hived off to private Government appointed firms then the experiences with the obscene profits made by organisations set up to deal with track and trace, for example, are anything to go by I can understand some people saying that they disagree with such passports being considered.

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Important to understand that the first jab (O/AZ) gives 76% protection from 22 days after the first jab, and reduction in asymptomatic transmission by 67%, then 82% protection after the second dose but a reduction to 50% in asymptomatic transmission after the second dose.

It greatly reduces the likelyhood of severe illness and passing on the virus, it doesn't stop it.

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-ce...ii-trials.html

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If, as is apparently the case, it doesn't stop you catching or transmitting the virus, what good would a vaccination passport do? ;)

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Very few things are 100% effective, but the chance of catching / transmitting are significantly reduced and the chances of severe illness and hospitalisation are practicaly zero. So if we're ever going to travel abroad this is as good as it gets (at the moment).

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My issue is the anti-vaxers and covidiots will just spread it to those who are unable to have a jab at the current time.


So why should these people be allowed access to anywhere without being challenged?


I, for one, won't be in any shops before June 21st, if at all.


Mr Amazon will get my business as I won't enter a shop (food shops excluded) that doesn't require proof.


People seem to forget that any shop has the right to refuse entry to anyone it wants, and you can't do squat, remember the supermarket that banned people wearing dressing gowns

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Risk reduction, not risk-free.

In cars, we have brakes, air-bags, seat belts, crumple zones - but it’s still recommended to keep a reasonable distance between cars when driving, to further reduce the impact* of a collision.

The likelihood of catching COVID and the severity of the infection on someone can be measured by the viral load (a larger viral load is more likely to infect/impact someone than a low viral load) - the more unvaccinated infected people there are in an enclosed area, the higher the viral load.

*in so many ways... ;)

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What if the vaccinated people all have covid but the none vaccinated person in the room is covid free ?

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I think it's probably a good idea to have " I think i'm speshull " tattooed on ones forehead ,then we will all know they have had a jab that may or may not have worked, and for those who have had and survived covid a tattoo saying "lucky"....