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Re: Trump’s Troubles

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Originally Posted by peanut (Post 36169863)

So an English term not Russian... Would have been better to say it in English then wouldn't it. Just saying..

Hugh was obviously making a point by using Russian besides the words he used. ;)

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btw, this law came into force December 2023

https://www.kaine.senate.gov/press-r...m-leaving-nato

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WASHINGTON, D.C. – Today, U.S. Senators Tim Kaine (D-VA) and Marco Rubio (R-FL), members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee (SFRC), applauded Senate passage of their bipartisan bill to prohibit any President of the United States from withdrawing from the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) without Senate approval or an Act of Congress. The legislation was included in the Fiscal Year 2024 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA), which passed by a bipartisan vote of 87-13.

“NATO has held strong in response to Putin’s war in Ukraine and rising challenges around the world,” said Kaine. “The Senate’s vote today to pass my bipartisan bill to prevent any U.S. President from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO reaffirms U.S. support for this crucial alliance that is foundational for our national security. It also sends a strong message to authoritarians around the world that the free world remains united.”

“The Senate should maintain oversight on whether or not our nation withdraws from NATO. We must ensure we are protecting our national interests and protecting the security of our democratic allies,” said Rubio.

Kaine and Rubio successfully fought to include their bipartisan bill as an amendment to the Fiscal Year 2024 NDAA. Specifically, the amendment would require the advice and consent of the Senate or an Act of Congress before suspending, terminating, or withdrawing U.S. membership in NATO. If any U.S. President attempts to leave NATO without Senate approval or an Act of Congress, the amendment prohibits any funding from being used to do so.

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Although I'd consider it highly unlikely in any case - what would be the limit on what a US President could do?

Presumably NATO can't deploy US forces without the consent of the Commander in Chief. Could Trump simply reduce US funding to the point NATO became unable to meaningfully function? Since most of them will be buying up American hardware could he cut the supply chains? And presumably he could 'lean on' some smaller members to give political support to his decisions.

I'm sure the military industrial complex won't let any of the above happen - but purely hypothetically.

The language is a bit curious:

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the amendment prohibits any funding from being used to do so.

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https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/t...nited%20States.

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Article 5

“The Parties agree that an armed attack against one or more of them in Europe or North America shall be considered an attack against them all and consequently they agree that, if such an armed attack occurs, each of them, in exercise of the right of individual or collective self-defence recognized by Article 51 of the Charter of the United Nations, will assist the Party or Parties so attacked by taking forthwith, individually and in concert with the other Parties, such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force, to restore and maintain the security of the North Atlantic area.

Any such armed attack and all measures taken as a result thereof shall immediately be reported to the Security Council. Such measures shall be terminated when the Security Council has taken the measures necessary to restore and maintain international peace and security.”

fun fact…

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NATO invoked Article 5 for the first and only time in its history after the 9/11 terrorist attacks against the United States.

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Think the key is " exercise of the right , "which read as , can , not have too.

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“Deems necessary” sounds like a massive get out.

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Heard on radio a guy from Texas say , GOP will select the only guy Biden could beat and the Democrats will select the only guy Trump could beat.

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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36169894)

Heard on radio a guy from Texas say , GOP will select the only guy Biden could beat and the Democrats will select the only guy Trump could beat.

Been saying that a while now.

They're the best the country has to offer, wtf, sleepy and creepy

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https://wapo.st/42NM94T

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New York hush money case will be first Trump criminal trial, set for March

At a hearing in Manhattan, Donald Trump’s defense lawyers argued the case will interfere with his presidential campaign.

A judge said Thursday that jury selection for Donald Trump’s trial would begin on March 25, setting a date with history for what would be the first criminal prosecution of an ex-president — one who also leads the Republican field of 2024 candidates for the White House.

Trump watched from a defense table in Manhattan criminal court as New York Supreme Court Justice Juan Merchan said he will go forward with the trial on charges that Trump falsified business records during the heat of the 2016 political campaign to keep secret a past sexual liaison with an adult-film star.

The judge said he expects the trial to take about six weeks.

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Excellent news. The sooner the orange gimp is jailed the better

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Gets popcorn ready. This should be fun.

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 36170210)

Excellent news. The sooner the orange gimp is jailed the better

:D:D if only, unfortunately he's a teflon coated orange gimp.

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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36170220)

:D:D if only, unfortunately he's a teflon coated orange gimp.

Is he? The court cases against him have barely got going and he’s already had findings totalling $88 million against him. And so far these are just civil suits, the criminal ones are all coming up in the next couple of months.

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:drool:

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36170226)

:drool:

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36170226)

Exactly, all he has faced so far is civil ones and so far he is losing. I look forward to the criminal ones!:D