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Ken W 17-09-2017 21:16
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35916893)
I've had a look through my 1975 annual and I could not see this :)




It is in the 1975 Dandy annual :-)

Kursk 18-09-2017 01:03
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35916893)
I've had a look through my 1975 annual and I could not see this :)
Check your 1975 Bunty annual then :D

tweetiepooh 18-09-2017 12:56
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
I can see driverless, electric cars in the large population centres but isn't there already public transport for that. So maybe in the suburbs, less populated areas, smaller cities/towns or if carrying something or other reasons to want a private conveyance. Maybe also between sites, regular journeys especially if journey does take in town/city centres.

But it will be those other journeys, those less regular, unplanned events away from populations. Maybe taking your small boat to a river/coast for a day sail then needing a secure store while you are out on the water. Going out on a mystery tour. Just going out and seeing what you can find, stopping for undetermined amount of time. Covering eventualities, what about if you day destination doesn't have mobile coverage, what if you go out to the mountains and the weather closes in (please wait 2 hours while we route a car to you...sorry roads are now impassible). You live on a farm, your wife's pregnant and something happens, now you need to get her to hospital, not ambulance quick but still don't want to wait long time for some company to route something out to you. Here's a real one for me, you go to archery, you have your bow and arrows with you. After the shoot you want to go to the pub, when you get there you don't want to take all your kit in with you. How do you work these into some car "share" scheme? And people won't want to pay the extra to have a car wait around for storage.

The real issues that need resolving mostly are around the large population centres, traffic levels, pollution, noise, parking/storage. Electric/driverless/share could work well in these places. You can't try to force the same model onto all situations. But most politicians live and work in large population centres so we will end up with ...?

One final issue is for some the pleasure of driving.

Kursk 18-09-2017 15:20
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35916954)
I can see driverless, electric cars in the large population centres but isn't there already public transport for that. So maybe in the suburbs, less populated areas, smaller cities/towns or if carrying something or other reasons to want a private conveyance. Maybe also between sites, regular journeys especially if journey does take in town/city centres.

But it will be those other journeys, those less regular, unplanned events away from populations. Maybe taking your small boat to a river/coast for a day sail then needing a secure store while you are out on the water. Going out on a mystery tour. Just going out and seeing what you can find, stopping for undetermined amount of time. Covering eventualities, what about if you day destination doesn't have mobile coverage, what if you go out to the mountains and the weather closes in (please wait 2 hours while we route a car to you...sorry roads are now impassible). You live on a farm, your wife's pregnant and something happens, now you need to get her to hospital, not ambulance quick but still don't want to wait long time for some company to route something out to you. Here's a real one for me, you go to archery, you have your bow and arrows with you. After the shoot you want to go to the pub, when you get there you don't want to take all your kit in with you. How do you work these into some car "share" scheme? And people won't want to pay the extra to have a car wait around for storage.

The real issues that need resolving mostly are around the large population centres, traffic levels, pollution, noise, parking/storage. Electric/driverless/share could work well in these places. You can't try to force the same model onto all situations. But most politicians live and work in large population centres so we will end up with ...?

One final issue is for some the pleasure of driving.
I'd stay in if I were you. The World holds too many questions for which you have too few answers.

If you think about the things that concern you, I bet you could come up with alternatives to your usual routines but, fear not, when people have needs other people think of ways to fulfil them. It's been that way since man first used tools to hunt. ;)

Perhaps City dwellers will use the 'dial up' vehicle service and country folk will have their own EV? Oo arr, that's an idea?

Osem 18-09-2017 16:11
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 35916954)
I can see driverless, electric cars in the large population centres but isn't there already public transport for that. So maybe in the suburbs, less populated areas, smaller cities/towns or if carrying something or other reasons to want a private conveyance. Maybe also between sites, regular journeys especially if journey does take in town/city centres.

But it will be those other journeys, those less regular, unplanned events away from populations. Maybe taking your small boat to a river/coast for a day sail then needing a secure store while you are out on the water. Going out on a mystery tour. Just going out and seeing what you can find, stopping for undetermined amount of time. Covering eventualities, what about if you day destination doesn't have mobile coverage, what if you go out to the mountains and the weather closes in (please wait 2 hours while we route a car to you...sorry roads are now impassible). You live on a farm, your wife's pregnant and something happens, now you need to get her to hospital, not ambulance quick but still don't want to wait long time for some company to route something out to you. Here's a real one for me, you go to archery, you have your bow and arrows with you. After the shoot you want to go to the pub, when you get there you don't want to take all your kit in with you. How do you work these into some car "share" scheme? And people won't want to pay the extra to have a car wait around for storage.

The real issues that need resolving mostly are around the large population centres, traffic levels, pollution, noise, parking/storage. Electric/driverless/share could work well in these places. You can't try to force the same model onto all situations. But most politicians live and work in large population centres so we will end up with ...?

One final issue is for some the pleasure of driving.
... and you can bet that they and the great and the good won't be inconvenienced - they're far too important - but perhaps if they were going to be they'd think it all through a whole lot more.

Paul 18-09-2017 22:00
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by Ken W (Post 35916923)
It is in the 1975 Dandy annual :-)
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35916934)
Check your 1975 Bunty annual then :D
Ah... but he said Beano, so thats what I checked. ;)

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Yes that's what my 1975 Beano said about 2017

Kursk 18-09-2017 22:49
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35917023)
Ah... but he said Beano, so thats what I checked. ;)
Pah, Lord Snooty :p:

pip08456 18-09-2017 23:01
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by Paul M (Post 35917023)
Ah... but he said Beano, so thats what I checked. ;)
Tell the truth Paul, you didn't want to admit having the Bunty 1975 Annual!:D:D:D

Julian 19-09-2017 00:51
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35917028)
Tell the truth Paul, you didn't want to admit having the Bunty 1975 Annual!:D:D:D
Doesn't everyone? :erm:

Kursk 19-09-2017 01:11
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by Julian (Post 35917042)
Doesn't everyone? :erm:
I thought you were more of a June & Schoolfriend sort of chappie julie :)

TheDaddy 25-09-2017 08:59
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35916803)
The big fly in the ointment of your vision is legal accountability, the likes of uber won't pay out when their cars kill and injure people, that's why they'll need a bum on a seat for the foreseeable future and there not as safe as people make out, when a driver less car was responsible for someone's death the CEO justified it as a tragedy but the car had done 250k miles without incident and the assembled press nodded at how impressive a feat that was without seemingly considering how many people they'd killed in their quarter of a million miles motoring.
That bum might be on that seat for 20+ years

https://www.collisionrepairmag.com/n...-years-or-more

hume 13-10-2017 21:28
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban.
 
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35909382)
Advances in computing and electronic devices are very different, in that they don't have to do much physical work. Where physical work was involved, advances meant less physical work was required to achieve the same result, eg HDDs vs SSDs.

Propelling a vehicle for 100 miles with a family, coping with difficult terrain eg hills, difficult weather conditions eg snow, and possibly towing a caravan requires physical work, no matter what the propulsion system. There is absolutely no way around that. The amount of energy required to be transferred and stored in a battery is huge. The nearest thing would be a battery you could top up with pre-charged liquid. Not sure how safe that liquid would be to handle. It would be more "volatile" than petrol.

The energy in petrol was locked in millions of years ago. Having to "generate" that amount of energy each day and having to distribute it down power lines is pretty much a non-starter. Then you've got to replace current gas usage.
Generating methane from renewable energy would be a better solution to the problem. I realise it's not ideal as the process is inefficient and the renewable energy would be better spent running a turbine. But when you think, renewable energy can't be stored for a sufficient length of time. A methane based approach doesn't appear so far fetched. It also has the added bonus of creating an energy dense fuel we're already familiar with.

Osem 13-10-2017 21:45
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
Whatever happened to LPG?

papa smurf 13-10-2017 22:46
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35920100)
Whatever happened to LPG?
they sell it close to me and it's cheap i tried to get my car converted to use it [3.3 ltr petrol] but could not get a reply from any company i contacted . as far as i know it's a few taxi's and all police cars that use it around here

Osem 14-10-2017 17:23
Re: Petrol & diesel vehicles ban (2040).
 
Yes, it's still around but why didn't HMG do more to promote it in view of the petrol/diesel concerns? No need for new infrastructure etc.


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