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pip08456 23-02-2017 07:54
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35887108)
You do realise that if people had not campaigned against a democratic vote then we would not be leaving the EU ,so by your logic you can thank the liberals for Brexit .As part of the democratic process people will continue to voice dissent against Trump and any other politician that was democratically elected ,that is the very definition of democracy[COLOR="Silver"]
You lost me there martyh, I can't recall any previous democratic vote for remaining in the EU or any compaigns against that fictional vote.

I do recall a Labour Government back in the 70's being elected on a manefesto of taking us out of the EEC, changing tack to remain in and like the recent referendum blatantly lying with false information. Is this the demorcratic vote you are referring to?

1andrew1 23-02-2017 08:09
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35887108)
I suspect most of the people who elected him assumed he would show some common sense and apply some form of logic to the subject instead of simply issuing orders like a dictator
I think you're right. Voters in his own country and people overseas may well like his policies but if he lacks the political skills to implement them (eg the travel ban) and speaks in poorly-constructed sentences so that the world misunderstands him (eg Sweden claims) and blames the proper checks and balances (press and judges) then they will rightly criticise him.
As Matthew Norman demonstrated yesterday in The Independent, Jeremy Corbyn and Donald Trump are indeed cut from the same cloth.

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35887114)
I do recall a Labour Government back in the 70's being elected on a manefesto of taking us out of the EEC, changing tack to remain in
Just when I'd given up all hope of Theresa seeing sense, you throw me a lifeline. Thanks Pip! :D

passingbat 23-02-2017 09:28
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35887108)



I suspect most of the people who elected him assumed he would show some common sense and apply some form of logic to the subject instead of simply issuing orders like a dictator

No, the people who voted for him, believed in his policies and believed he would enact as President, what he said he would do on the campaign trail. The temporary travel ban was no surprise to them.

1andrew1 23-02-2017 12:21
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No, the people who voted for him, believed in his policies and believed he would enact as President, what he said he would do on the campaign trail. The temporary travel ban was no surprise to them.
Hillary not being behind bars and globalist Goldman Sachs appointees in the White House were though.

nomadking 23-02-2017 13:21
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35887108)
You do realise that if people had not campaigned against a democratic vote then we would not be leaving the EU ,so by your logic you can thank the liberals for Brexit .As part of the democratic process people will continue to voice dissent against Trump and any other politician that was democratically elected ,that is the very definition of democracy

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I suspect most of the people who elected him assumed he would show some common sense and apply some form of logic to the subject instead of simply issuing orders like a dictator
The law allows him to issue executive orders. There are Visa waiver restrictions just for visiting certain countries. They were put in place more than a year ago by Senate, Congress, and by Obama/ and all legal and not discriminatory for some mysterious reason.

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Recently, the United States updated its policy on visa waiver programs regarding visitors who had a second citizenship in Iran, Iraq, Syria and Sudan - or who had visited those countries within the last five years.
Such individuals must now apply for a visa instead.

Pierre 23-02-2017 13:54
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Never even thought about this but it makes sense.

Donald Trump will lose Los Angeles the 2024 Olympics, say US gold medallists

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/o...-a7592131.html
The "travel ban" was/is only for 90 days.

Hugh 23-02-2017 14:09
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Originally Posted by Pierre (Post 35887164)
The "travel ban" was/is only for 90 days.
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It brings in a suspension of the US Refugee Admissions Programme for 120 days

There is also an indefinite ban on Syrian refugees

And anyone arriving from seven Muslim-majority countries - Iraq, Syria, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, and Yemen - faces a 90-day visa suspension. Some visa categories, such as diplomats and the UN, are not included in the suspension
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38781302

passingbat 23-02-2017 15:44
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35887154)
Hillary not being behind bars and globalist Goldman Sachs appointees in the White House were though.

Didn't think you believed in Globalists, Andrew ;)

Yep, Goldman Sachs appointees in the WH was a surprise to me. I assume he keeps them on a short leash and feeds them chunks of George Soros news every now and then to keep them calm ;) :D

Goldman Sachs will have some very clever guys working for them. Providing they are not following the GS company agenda of globalism, I guess Trump thinks he can harness their expertise. If Trump hadn't been so vocal about his unequivocal belief in Sovereign state nations, then there would be serious cause for concern

Goldman Sachs have representatives at Bilderberg meetings. Our very own Canadian import, Mark Carney attended Bilderberg meetings before fellow Bilderberg attendees, Dave and Georgie Boy appointed him Governor of the Bank of England.

I was with those Brexiteers who said he should have been replaced after the Referendum. He seems to be making right noises now, but personally, I do not trust him.

As regards to Hillary, I think there should have been an investigation, and if guilty, appropriate action should have been taken.

It looks as if Trump has taken a more magnanimous view and decided not to go down that route, and I can see the merit in that.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35887067)
Never even thought about this but it makes sense.

Donald Trump will lose Los Angeles the 2024 Olympics, say US gold medallists

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/o...-a7592131.html

Oh gosh! How silly could I be! The hosting of the Olympics is far more important than the security of the Nation.... :shocked:

martyh 23-02-2017 17:58
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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35887114)
You lost me there martyh, I can't recall any previous democratic vote for remaining in the EU or any compaigns against that fictional vote.

I do recall a Labour Government back in the 70's being elected on a manefesto of taking us out of the EEC, changing tack to remain in and like the recent referendum blatantly lying with false information. Is this the demorcratic vote you are referring to?
we had a referendum in 1975 and the result was to remain in the EEC as the EU was known then .A lot of posters are constantly banging on about respecting the result of the democratic process so by that logic we would not have had a second referendum .If people campaign or voice dissent against a democratic decision that is not disrespect for the decision ,that is democracy in action

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35887160)
The law allows him to issue executive orders. There are Visa waiver restrictions just for visiting certain countries. They were put in place more than a year ago by Senate, Congress, and by Obama/ and all legal and not discriminatory for some mysterious reason.
Yes it does but Trump and the republicans absolutely slated Obama for using EO's ,they called him Emperor Obama and denounced the use of EOs as a threat to constitutional governance and i seem to remember one of Obama's EOs on immigration being overturned by the courts.Trump is nothing but a hypocrite and should practice what he and his party preached to Obama

nomadking 23-02-2017 18:09
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Yes it does but Trump and the republicans absolutely slated Obama for using EO's ,they called him Emperor Obama and denounced the use of EOs as a threat to constitutional governance and i seem to remember one of Obama's EOs on immigration being overturned by the courts.Trump is nothing but a hypocrite and should practice what he and his party preached to Obama
The law allows him to issue an executive order on this matter. The issue is allegedly one of discrimination. Either both laws are discriminatory or neither is.

martyh 23-02-2017 18:58
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35887208)
The law allows him to issue an executive order on this matter. The issue is allegedly one of discrimination. Either both laws are discriminatory or neither is.
I was pointing out the hypocrisy of trump and the republican party

Hugh 23-02-2017 19:49
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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 35887208)
The law allows him to issue an executive order on this matter. The issue is allegedly one of discrimination. Either both laws are discriminatory or neither is.
The Obama EO overturned by the Federal District Court was one that allowed 5 million immigrants illegally resident in the USA to stay in the country (the case was brought by Texas and 20 other States).

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/23/po...supreme-court/

The Supreme Court dead-locked on it, so the lower court ruling stood.

Kursk 23-02-2017 19:50
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Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35887202)
we had a referendum in 1975 and the result was to remain in the EEC as the EU was known then .A lot of posters are constantly banging on about respecting the result of the democratic process so by that logic we would not have had a second referendum .If people campaign or voice dissent against a democratic decision that is not disrespect for the decision ,that is democracy in action
So you see no difference between being part of a trade partnership with half a dozen members (EEC) to being part of a much larger, sovereignty-stealing bloc (EU) comprised of, inter alia, a majority of countries with much less to contribute than the UK?

The second referendum clearly acknowledged sufficient difference between the EEC and EU.

Pierre 23-02-2017 21:46
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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35887169)
Alright 120 then, still not a long time, certainly not going to impact the olympics

Hugh 23-02-2017 21:48
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Alright 120 then, still not a long time, certainly not going to impact the olympics
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There is also an indefinite ban on Syrian refugees


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