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Unless he imposes conditions on Israel to remove their blockade of Gaza as part of a new ceasefire deal then I do not see anything he says making a difference.

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All very well discussing falied peace talks in recent years and blaming it all on the Palestinians/Hamas/PLO but let's not forget how the Israeli's originally took over Arab land.

http://countrystudies.us/israel/23.htm

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Agree,

Imposing another ceasefire will solve nothing unless fundimatal problems on both sides are addressed. Weapons being smuggled into Gaza etc and living conditions in Gaza.

JJ

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With all due respect sir, our grandfathers went to war against a regime that built its power and legitimacy on lies very much like that. Please don't insult their memory by demanding proof that you're wrong.

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It can be argued that Hamas are at war with a regime that has built its legitamacy on the forced expulsion of arabs from their land and has done very little to address it in the face of world opinion.

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And people wonder why the Palestinian people stand up against Israel? The Israeli army are nothing but ****, the leaders of the Israeli army have not heard of the Geneva convention banning them from using certain weapons against the Palastinian people.

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And exactly how does that statement answer my suggestion that it might be inappropriate to claim that Zionists are in charge of the Western media? Surely you're capable of making your point without ripping mine out of its context? This thread has enough wilful misunderstanding as it is ...

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Chris I didn't mean to imply that in my response or to ripping yours out of context.

I am just trying to point out that everyone (well a significant majority) seems to be pointing the blame of this war at Hamas's feet and it can be pretty easy to feel that the media is controlled by pro Israelis.

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I think we know that the Arabs were unhappy as they were unhappy with the British/UN proposed split of land in Palestine in 1947 and the Declaration of Independence by Israel in 1948.

For the last 60 years the displaced Palestinians and their allies have waged war on Israel in a vain attempt to reclaim land which they believe is theirs.

If America had not provided support to Israel our TV screens probably would have been filled with images of Israelis being massacred because sadly solutions to this problem have nearly always been undertaken in military terms.

The only Palestinians affected would have been those living or born in the area designated as Israel in 1948. By now, with old age, disease, famine, accidents, war, emigration etc many of the original Palestinians and some of their descendants would be either dead or living elsewhere. So how is it that the conflict continues?

It continues because Palestinians want a homeland and their allies in the countries surrounding Israel are determined that they should have one.It might seem ironic but for some Palestinians born there, Gaza IS their homeland as it is their place of birth.

It is possible for the Palestinians have a decent homeland but they need to give Israel the peace and security they seek.The attacks over the last 60 years have caused Israel to take dramatic and often ruthless steps.They have finally agreed to a Palestinian homeland ( not one that the Palestinians like) and have sealed it off to prevent weapons being smuggled in and suicide bombers coming out.

Gaza is not a justifiable target but the militants firing rockets into Israel are.There is no easy solution but for non-militants it would probably be best ( though by no means simple) to move temporarily out of areas within rocket range of Israel until it is safe to return. In that way, they can avoid being at the sites of the mobile rocket launchers when the Israelis return fire.

As for the weapons being stockpiled in hospitals & mosques, it's probably an open question. Another intriguing question is how is it that a blockaded country seemingly has an unending supply of missiles when logic dictates that they should probably have run out by now? This would seem to suggest that the blockade is not as effective as one is led to believe.

It is quite disheartening, saddening and sickening to see nightly reports on TV of the deaths and destruction in Gaza. One can only hope it all ends soon.

The UN could have intervened by replacing the Israeli troops with a UN peacekeeping force but none of the countries supplying the soldiers want their troops killed ( because of a political backlash by the public in their own countries)and this will happen if Hamas keep firing rockets into Israel. As a result all they can do is appeal for a ceasefire, which both sides are not prepared to heed and so the killing goes on.

The future of the Palestinians is literally in their own hands as they are the ones making the decisions about this conflict.

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This war and all the other wars have been caused by Israel no one else, it's about time the people of the world stood up and took notice and realised what Israel is doing to it's neighbours.

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The sorts of scenes going on in Gaza remind me of the actions of WWII Nazis - razing homes, villages and even whole towns in response to the actions of partisans. More than anyone else I'd have thought the Jewish people would see the awful irony of Israel's current policy.

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Could you expand upon that claim, with specific reference to each of the Arab/Israeli wars that have occurred since 1947?

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Oh dear, comparing Jewish solidiers to Nazis in WWII. You have done the unspeakable. I hope you are wearing your flak jacket.

In all honesty, I'm glad someone other than the usual suspect has come up with that statement. It's heartneing to see that this type of statement is just not confined to those whom everyone believes to be anti israeli or anti semetic.

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Blaming one side or the other for all the world's woes is pointless. For the resoultion of this conflict Israel must alter it's policy rather than copying, many times over, the behaviour of those who seek to kill innocent men, women and children.

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There are plenty of people in this thread and in the world out there who are prepared to see the grievances and the misdeeds on both sides of this conflict.

The problem with the 'usual suspects' is that they're as blinkered about Hamas' shortcomings as certain other people are about Israel's.

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If I can butt in, I would say that most of the wars since 1947 that have invloved Israel would not have happened if they had not forced palestinians/arabs of their own land by forceful/terror methods, and stolen land of them.