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If you read my post correctly you would see that it wasn't actually defending NTL but pointing out that claims being made by ISP's can appear to mean one thing but reality can mean that they mean something completely different. An ADSL ISP may offer a 8Mb package but that doesn't mean you are going to get 8Mb all the time and you may never get anywhere close to 8Mb. A unlimited, uncapped service means that you can only get what your connection speed allows, what the systems that you are connecting to allow you to have and what other users sharing any part of your connection to those systems allow you to have.Think about putting a cake on the centre spot at Old Trafford on a match day when the ground is full to capacity. You could make a tannoy announcement that all spectators can have an unlimited amount of the cake but how much do you think each would get? :D

If NTL was to "get a grip and actual do something instantly, compulsive and make us all happy" they would hold back on the news until everything was ready and then you would be complaining that they could have let you know earlier what was being planned.

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Of course it is relevant. NTL need to announce this because by the time they've rolled it all out (by the end of 2006) ADSL2+ will be available. But they're obviously not ready to do it, but they need to show they can keep up with the competition.

I'm very happy with my connection, but i'd be much happier with 24mbit ADSL2+, and NTL know that. Joe Public doesn't realise that not everyone will get that speed, it's all marketing spin, but if NTL doesn't do anything to keep up, people will leave.

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I wonder if ntl will throw in a new 12 month contract with this upgrade to stop people going to adsl 2+?

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Very true, ADSL 2+ only delivers that sort of speed if you live practically on top of the exchange. But I find it strange that you condemn NTL for marketing spin whilst glossing over it on the part of proponents of ADSL who don't exactly dwell on its limitations.

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I don't condemn NTL, I'm just fed up of hearing that arguement all the time :p:

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@Robc66 you keep complaining, when adsl 2+ is released a lot of ppl arent going to be able to get anywhere near full speed because they will be too far from the exchange. With ntl everyone always gets good speeds, im on 2mb and my internet has never been below that.

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I am not complaining. I have good speed from ntl....but i am just looking at my options. If i can get a better deal then i will get it :D

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People will leave, yes, but how many? Most people will be quite happy with the speed that they have now and as long as they can do what they want with their present connection they won't be bothered . ISP's have to think about the vast majority of their customers not a select few who are probably make the ISP the least profit.

24mbit ADSL2+ may be about but having the technology available doesn't mean that the ISP is geared up to provide a sustainable service with it. Don't forget that many ISP's only have a very small percentage of the broadband customer base of the UK.

Many people are looking at the timeframe that NTL have quoted in their press release and taken the furthest away time as being the important factor. It is obvious that anyone on any speed can move the end of 2006 time to the end of 2005 by simply upgrading their service to the top tier, if only for a month and then back down again.

If it goes the same as the last lot of upgrades then customers on any speed will be able to upgrade within days of the release by being proactive rather than waiting for their automatic turn. Anyone who still has broadband through a Pace STB who wants to ensure getting 10Mb asap would be advised to upgrade their package above 1Mb asap in order to ensure they are not left at the back of the queue waiting for new equipment to arrive from suppliers.

Re: ntl Confirms 10Mb Broadband Speed Increase
 

Few facts about ADSL, reach, etc. Pls bear in mind that distances given are line length, not distance from exchange, and that 40 - 60% of lines in the UK are >3km long.

http://www.farina1.com/bookmark/0000...7/00020260.HTM

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I remember paying £50 a month back only 3 years ago for 1mb!!!

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Thanks for the info I'm not obessed but was curious because docsis3 got mentioned in the PR announcement.
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To back that up I believe NTL announced a drop from somewhere around 260million loss to 60million loss whilst telewest are in the black, so their strategy is viable. Telewest announced around 1% of their customers leave a month, does anyone have the NTL figure?
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Dont worry BT get my fair share of critisicm on adslguide, but comparing NTL to BT is not apple to apple, the fairest comparison is to telewest.

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Most customers aren't too bothered about the technology involved in getting their BB connection. Their main concern is having a connection that does what they want it to do.

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Thing is though, this can be a bonus for NTL who can also offer ADSL2+ over their own copper phone wire with a short distance to the equipment (possibly in the street cabinets). Ultra short distance = max speed = max reliability (hopefully). Not to mention each line is dedicated.

So basically, ADSL isn't necessarily a competitor for NTL, it's another option.

I personally believe that some kind of DSL technology is where NTL should be going (and NTL know this otherwise they wouldn't have mentioned ADSL2+ or be trialling it at the moment). I've always felt cable is flawed for broadband. It's like the old thick Ethernet cable which had numerous problems.

I'd be interested in a decent DSL connection from NTL as I'm convinced it wouldn't be subject to the problematic signal issues that I had with cable. If they could deliver 24Mbps ADSL2+ with a rock solid connection for £39 a month, and at the same time produce a miracle in their CS department to pull it from being the worst in the world;), then I'd be really interested.

Though if they stick expensive equipment in street cabinets they need to resolve the issue of Chavs kicking them in every few weeks ;)

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And as I type this people on TW are already using 10Mbit!!!!

Sheffield area I beleive there are some that have been jumped up onto it. Not sure if it is just a testing phase but people ARE using it!!

NTL will hopefully be doing the same when they hear about this.....Well, my fingers are crossed anyway. I have always had their top tier as they have released them and this time will be no difference....Provided they drop that silly 75GB cap.

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Nice. :)