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Ok what about the sale and therefore loss of the stock of social housing. I do have more like I said to Jem

Why so salty Paul ? and thanks for the name calling. Not having a good time presently so will be avoiding this because I know full well if I return the salt I will be the one in trouble

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People were already living in the council houses, so the net change in homeless etc was ZERO.

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Oh no I find myself having to explain even though I really do not want to post here anymore but I was questioned about my view on Thatcher and the effects now and the point about council housing is pretty obvious or I thought so

Thatcher sold them did not replace them now we do not have them. It really not that hard to grasp surely? See now I am salty damn it haha

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Could also tie it all together with my previous point about privatisation because after all the council houses were sold up popped Private Housing Associations instead of the home own money generating council stock

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Where have all the coal mines gone. And seeing as I come from a mining area I have seen this first hand . Think that counts too? plus a hell of the lot of the economy is run of things she put in place. Steal industry Iron foundries ship building car manufacture . But no we are not still paying the price 35 years later

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i see angela has magicked up £40k to de fiddle hmrc and will pay no penalty


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...adership-boost



will we get our first chav PM

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This has literally made me think of Catherine Tates Lauren "am I bovvered" laughed to myself

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You accidentally missed out a bit…

Strange when Rayner underpays Stamp Duty it’s a scandal, but when Tice underpays £91k of Corporation Tax, it’s a minor administrative error…

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It wasn't just the fact she sold them off, its the fact she put laws and restrictions in place to stop new ones being built with the proceeds, her utilities sell off has led us to where we are now, sky high bills, companies loaded with debt and little investment, Norway has a huge sovereign wealth fund benefitting its people with the proceeds of North Sea oil, who benefitted from our north sea oil and we will be paying the price for her policies forever not just 35 years after because the damage done can't simply be undone, it took decades to get the right to buy money freed up and used in communities for instance

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absolutely. We are living in Thatchers Britain. I thought everyone of a certain age knew all this.

I did say I had a list I was just waiting to see what replies I got.

How many of use pay council Tax? oh the big Poll Tax climb down

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How many on here bought shares in British Gas went it was privatised . . and what did you then do with those shares?

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Always been a poor working class council estate lad never owned a share

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Started off on a poor working class council estate, clawed my way upwards, never bought shares in anything though.

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Fair play mate. I come from a mining town with 2 large collieries quite close by. One of which still run until relatively recently but at a tiny rate to what it was . We also had what was known as one of the best iron fabrication plants in the world had to close down due to lack of investment in the processes so those abroad could offer cheaper castings. Pretty much the same story with most of British industry

My best friends father was head union rep at one of them and the stuff they had to go through fighting for their just to get trampled on. Saw it all first hand some of these areas as well as the steal and ship building areas never really recovered that is why I can say without a shadow of any doubt we are still paying the price

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same here clawed myself out of the gutter,now i'm flopped out on the pavement

socially i refer to myself as upper gutter class,with a few bob in the bank:)

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TBH those who rose the way from the gutter know what it is like to be there . Those who never experience true hardship will never understand . I consider myself on the curb but I am on here I just get splashed a bit

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It wasn't just the Mines closing that decimated towns, it was also the knock on effect of the businesses that serviced the mines now having no work too.

I'm only around 25 miles from some badly hit areas.

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Thought I had woke up in the Twilight Zone when Paul and Jem replied and in this world the 80s did not happen . Relieved others here see it to . Thought I had gone mad for minute

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But Tice paid income tax on the £91K (a higher rate than corporation tax). Whereas Rayner stood to have “pocketed” the £40K without an income tax burden.


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That’s nothing, Papa. My father was a toolmaker (!) and, before anyone else says the obvious, here I am.

EDIT: He made diamond tipped tools in between his stints as a WWII soldier.


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Too many question marks, mate !!!!!!!

The 80s did happen, you are quite right. Thatcher got some of the privatisations wrong, particularly water. The biggest failure was the regulation regime which, for energy, has killed the benefits of competition.

But the real con on privatisation was that we were supposed to buy shares in mwhat we already owned and paid for through the state.

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I think everyone's recollection of that period will vary depending on how close they were to the harsh reality of the policies. I'm in Wakefield and the visual reminders are still there to see, both socially and in the built environment. There are the remains of mining communities that are still split and the hurt and resentment (on both sides) still runs deep.

I remember in the early 80's Wakefield was buzzing, people had money in their pockets and a Saturday night in town was a crazy experience. I used to love going to the miners gala in the park - it was something we used to look forward to.

All those days are now gone and while it's not as grim as it once was it's still grim if you know where to look. In 1984 there were 15 pits in the district employing about 20,000 people directly, and probably many more in supporting industries (engineering, haulage etc) and even more in businesses that flourished because of the miners wages (local shops, pubs etc). A community can't loose that many jobs and just carry on as if nothing happened. Apparently, in Wakefield the last figures I've seen show 16% of the population is in the most 10% of deprived areas in the country, and it wasn't like this before the Conservatives decided to destroy what they saw as the disruptive working class. Because of the choices made in Downing Street 40 years ago, one ongoing impact is the thousands of children who don't have a bed for themselves in Wakefield.

So in this part of the world the impact of the Conservative policies are still there for all to see, but I suppose if you didn't live in an area where >90% of the men in the area found themselves out of work then you probably won't understand the lasting impact it had. As a country we should be ashamed of some of our recent history.

Feel free to flame me, but like some of the others I've lived it and many many people round here are still living it.

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They didn't need replacing because there was NO NET IMPACT on homeless etc.

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Agreed, King Arthur could probably have done things better/differently but I'm sure he would argue he was fighting for the very existence of his members. That terrible oversight of not having a plan for the future is one reason it's still so raw round here.

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That makes absolutely no sense at all . There was still a housing queue waiting for people to move or die . Sell the houses build no more what happens to the growing queue. Talk sense man. No caps needed

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Anyway, back the thread title. I've never hidden my dislike for our PM and have never considered him to be a true Labourite, I'm sure I've said on here I consider him a Liberal who realised he would never get to power so chose to pretend to be Labour. The sooner he's gone the better. I know who I want to be PM and it's none of the names being banded about at the moment.

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Paul did ask what we were paying in all fairness Grim

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Selling off state owned oil assets would be the obvious one. That is having a tangible impact 35 years on.

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They were STILL being built. There was NO INCREASED REQUIREMENT as a result.

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No NET impact. The number being housed didn't change.

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Labour closed more mines.

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He didn't underpay. He paid it instead as income tax.
Rayner deliberately and intentionally underpaid stamp duty, CGT, and right to buy discount refund.
50% of the property was transferred to her son, with her remaining 25% sold to his trust. Sidestepping CGT and higher stamp duty. confused about the whole situation surrounding that. Doesn't make legal sense.

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Rayner's been cleared.

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Mud sticks :p:

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Only of intentionally doing it. The act of doing it has been proved.
Her actions of transferring 50% and selling her remaining 25% weren't considered.

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Starmer's running out of MPs willing to be Ministers.
Wes Streeting resigns.

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No, she didn’t…

You stated "deliberately", HMRC said it wasn’t…

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx219y4qy0qo

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Anyway, back on topic…

Streeting appears to be chickening out of challenging Starmer…

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HMRC . . looking after their own I see :erm:

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Ah, the old "when the facts don't support your premise, try a smear instead" approach... ;)

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After being shafted by HMRC due to a mistake THEY made, and admitted to, I now place them in the same box* as all the other corrupt and incompetent organisations (usually of Government origin) that pick on the small guy yet freely hand out 'get out of jail free' cards to their associates.

*It's a big box, and I may have to get a bigger one soon :)

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Burnham is given a route back into power. I read on here Rayners a chav. This is like EastEnders. The drama and backstabbing :LOL:

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Game on, cockers!

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1778777805

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If Burnham stands in Makerfield, he probably wants to check the recent Local Council results…

In 2024, Labour won with a comfortable 5,400 majority - in this month's local council elections, Labour lost all twenty two seats they were defending, whilst Reform won twenty four of those contested, and one went independent.

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Agreed, it's not the biggest majority. I won't shed a tear to see the back of AB either - always comes across as a bit cocky and arrogant for my liking.

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Would Andy Burnham really be any better than what we have now ?

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The intention for transferring 50% of the property and then selling her remaining 25% interest was to avoid higher stamp duty. That is why she considered she didn't have to pay it. Why on earth would you transfer 50% of the ownership? Leaving behind 25% for the ex-husband, who can do nothing with it. He can't sell it. Who's left paying the mortgage? The mortgage provider can't(and shouldn't) be too happy with transferring of ownership. That is their security on the loan.

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Economic growth is never No 1 to a Brexiteer. Sovereignty is. Interestingly, the UK's economy actually grew last month when it was expected to shrink. And wage growth is exceeding the rise in the cost of living. But Starmer js not getting the message across.

Manchester seems to be an attractive destination for businesses and its airport and trams are efficient and growing. Burnham seems effective at getting cash out of central government but what would he do when in power? He would be a better communicator and be more likeable than Starmer but there's far more to the job than that.

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I don't think so . . he seems a bit shifty to me, not that I really know the bloke, just a feeling of more in-fighting to come :erm:

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Talking of infighting, what’s the latest on Habib’s claims about the million quid bung Harbourne allegedly gave Farage (and Boris Johnson) in 2022?

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No idea about that crap, but over the years I have noticed that people will hold onto damaging information until the time is 'convenient' to throw it out there.

oh, and it's like a schoolyard scrap, one piles in they all pile in :D

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I was the designated prefect to break those fights up.

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It would be pretty damaging if Labour lost both the by-election and the Manchester Mayorality…

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My understanding is thats a real possibility atm.

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He's on a hiding to nothing then.

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That's another thread. Farage has changed his tune on the £5m gift. First it was for security, now it's a thank you for Brexit. Not sure what he'll say tomorrow.

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Found it wrapped in plain brown paper on the back seat of a taxi outside Parliament

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Well, it’s definitely not got any connection with him buying a £1.4 million house not long afterwards, which would be his fourth residence (not counting the £885k house near Clacton that his girlfriend (who has no money) bought)…

No, no, no, no - let me finish…

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It's worth pointing out that Farage says he can't be bought. Is that because he's already been bought for £5m so no one else can buy him? ;)

Makerfield looks to be an interesting by election with all candidates running on a get-Starmer-out mandate. :D

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Apparently wrapped in the 21st century equivalent of a brown envelope - crypto currency.

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It is no secret the crypto market is heavily influenced by the 1% instigating crashes so the right people invest in the right coins at the right time and XRP seeming to be at least one of the coins of choice for the elite ( or maybe that is what they want us to think) but it is not a stretch to think these elites would love to have someone else in power ( They already got Trump ) they can manipulate

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Difficult to keep up with the ever-changing narrative, but it’s now being said that he bought the £1.4m house with his payment from “I’m a celeb”.

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He got paid £1.4 million to be on a TV show ?

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I'd need £1.4 million to put up with Ant & Dec for a week or two

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Nope, was more apparently £1.5 million

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Which he didn’t declare…

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Before or after tax???

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You think he paid tax on it......;)

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Should Andy get over all the hurdles, watch interest rates rise. As he goes on a borrowing spree.

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Not entirely a bad thing from my POV, better savings rates. ;)

Its really unclear to me if he'll be good or bad, I know hes served in government before and I cant ever remember much being said about him. I think hes drawn more attention while mayor of Manchester.

Of course, all speculation atm, hes a long way from actually being leader yet.

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I speculate he will be bad as will whoever ends up PM next full stop ad infinitum

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Interesting read on CNN web site , is Briton ungovernable. Give it a go.

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Agreed.

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Yup.

Although the farmers was a nonsense story. It was an inheritance tax loophole that applied to very few farms.

They shouldn't have committed to keeping the NI cut; it was an obvious trap from the Tories, who were on their way out, and Labour walked right into it.

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It was both. Farage made himself deeply unpopular amongst some nutters, and that’s the main reason for his need for security.

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That money came from his appearance on ‘I’m a celebrity’ if you check your facts.

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That is correct.

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He didn’t have to.

I think some of you are as obsessed with a Farage as they are with Trump. This is the Starmer thread, so what’s all this nonsense - deflection?

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Do keep up - I know the story keeps changing, but I thought as one of his admirers, you would know…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1779124443

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Already addressed that in the Reform UK thread. This is meant to be for Starmer.

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cvgz...99c229da2#post

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"The number of asylum seekers living in hotels while waiting for their claims to be processed in the UK has fallen to 20,885 in the 12 months to March 2026."

Does the article now say where they've moved them to? They're still here, just not in hotels anymore.

It's all just whitewash (can I still say that? ) figures stating the bits of info that sound good.

I mean, it doesn't say the number of asylum seekers now living in ex military camps has risen from 12 to 24,000 does it

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As always . Lies, dam lies and statistics

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I wonder why military-age people are fleeing their countries and trying to seek asylum elsewhere?

Could it be that otherwise they are conscripted into indefinite military service under slave-labour like conditions?

https://theweek.com/102761/indefinit...e-flee-eritrea

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do you want to buy the Humber bridge

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^ that article - last updated 13 August 2019 nice try ;)

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It's because of what you voted for. #BrexitRegret

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Just because you bought it does not mean that anyone will buy it from you so easily. :D

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Come on Seph, you know the game, Brexit is the cause of everything:

Lack of housing
Lack of jobs
High energy bills
Bankrupt local councils
Dysfunctional NHS
Potholes
Arsenal winning the Premiership
Heavy rain in Dorset
UK doing really well in the Eurovision Song Contest :erm:

. . . there may be a character limit for posts, so I'll stop there :D

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main brexit benefit is listening to the constant remoaner drivel ,I doubt they want us back anyway ,too much of a negative influence on their crap ideology

i'm working on a euro vision song ,ive got the title wang a lang a dong ding dang

it's about a none binary goat herder

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Sounds promising Papa, but the Australian one "slap me upside the head if we run out of beer" is getting some attention

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Smurfs Conchita :shocked:

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Nice try - here’s one from a couple of months ago…

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...025-accessible

And a recent one from Ethiopia and Tigray

https://www.ethiopiaobserver.com/202...r-the-capital/

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I skim read that first link (Gov.UK) then got sidetracked on the 'claiming asylum' links . . . and then wondered why 80% of those coming over on small boats aren't being returned :erm:

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Because of Brexit - before Brexit, under the Dublin regulation, we could send them back to France...


(and they didn't try coming, because of......


the Dublin regulation!)

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Wait . . are you telling me that Government Docs from 2025 have the same information as pre-brexit?
No wonder everybody is confused :rolleyes:

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I don't think your heart will allow you to type the real reason, even if your head knows it. ;)

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This Dublin regulation?For 2024, Germany had a net figure of 1,236 immigrants leaving for other EU countries, out of 74,561 requests by Germany for them to be dealt with elsewhere. If we were in the EU, we would have to accept loads more. Under the EU/EEA rules for 2018, we may have been able to send 209 back to the EU, but had to accept 1,215. That's six in, one out under the previous returns agreement.


Previously they were arriving by lorry, so could easily disappear and didn't need to claim asylum. Crossing the channel by boat and remaining undetected is a bit more difficult, so they automatically have to claim asylum there and then.

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were you a navi in a former life,cos you sure like digging up shyte

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No, I was Air Force…

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i have guessed ww1 trench warfare tech ;)

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Those trains are like southern which are old now. The seats need replacing. The carriages the driver sits in have tables. This is exciting. :D