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Osem 07-09-2017 13:27
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bircho (Post 35915608)
Was it a different Blair then ;)
No. it was the same duplicitous Blair as always was sadly. He's still at it now, doing his best to derail Brexit. For someone who came to power on the basis of listening to ordinary people, he only hears the voices which support his own views. He's not alone in that amongst politicians of course but he is one of the most hated people in the UK for good reason and his IMHO his handing of the UK's EU membership is one of the biggest reasons for that.

Kursk 07-09-2017 13:39
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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35915587)
I notice the way you constantly reply to well articulated and informative posts with dismissive empty ridicule. Why bother :td:
Well I've read all the 'well-articulated and informative posts' and all I've witnessed is the endless remoaning death throes of the vanquished losers.

But, well, I still don't give a bugger. We are leaving and anyone who wants to live within the EU, can always emigrate. In fact, please, just go and leave us to wallow in our future success.

daveeb 07-09-2017 13:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35915613)
Well I've read all the 'well-articulated and informative posts' and all I've witnessed is the endless remoaning death throes of the vanquished losers.

But, well, I still don't give a bugger. We are leaving and anyone who wants to live within the EU, can always emigrate. In fact, please, just go and leave us to wallow in our future success.
You clearly haven't read them.

Kursk 07-09-2017 13:56
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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35915616)
You clearly haven't read them.
Strictly speaking you're absolutely right. There are posts I know will be full of repetitious, it's-all-been-said-before, look-at-me-I'm-clever tripe, and I do skim through those :sleep:.

papa smurf 07-09-2017 13:58
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35915613)
Well I've read all the 'well-articulated and informative posts' and all I've witnessed is the endless remoaning death throes of the vanquished losers.

But, well, I still don't give a bugger. We are leaving and anyone who wants to live within the EU, can always emigrate. In fact, please, just go and leave us to wallow in our future success.
now that's a 'well-articulated and informative post' and your right about the endless remoaning death throes of the vanquished losers.
:clap::clap::clap:

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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35915618)
Strictly speaking you're absolutely right. There are posts I know will be full of repetitious, it's-all-been-said-before, look-at-me-I'm-clever tripe, and I do skim through those :sleep:.
:rofl::rofl::rofl::clap:

Kursk 07-09-2017 14:10
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35915619)
now that's a 'well-articulated and informative post' and your right about the endless remoaning death throes of the vanquished losers.
:clap::clap::clap:

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:rofl::rofl::rofl::clap:
On reflection, it is our duty to help those suffering with PEUSD (post EU stress disorder). This could take us some time...:D

papa smurf 07-09-2017 14:14
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Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35915623)
On reflection, it is our duty to help those suffering with PEUSD (post EU stress disorder). This could take us some time...:D
i think you can get remoan replacement patches for that ;)

Kursk 07-09-2017 14:18
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35915624)
i think you can get remoan replacement patches for that ;)
And Tena Lady incontinence pants for when they wet themselves with worry ;)

ianch99 07-09-2017 14:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35915618)
Strictly speaking you're absolutely right. There are posts I know will be full of repetitious, it's-all-been-said-before, look-at-me-I'm-clever tripe, and I do skim through those :sleep:.
Makes you want to Scream doesn't it? You just know you are right and no facts or anything else will change that certainty.

Kursk 07-09-2017 14:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35915628)
Makes you want to Scream doesn't it? You just know you are right and no facts or anything else will change that certainty.
Please lay on the couch. Now, describe your overwhelming feelings of wimpishness in your own words...

ianch99 07-09-2017 14:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kursk (Post 35915631)
Please lay on the couch. Now, describe your overwhelming feelings of wimpishness in your own words...
Time for a spot of Munch

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/09/5.jpg

heero_yuy 07-09-2017 15:00
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35915628)
Makes you want to Scream doesn't it? You just know you are right and no facts or anything else will change that certainty.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...7&d=1398703887

Bircho 07-09-2017 15:01
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35915610)
No. it was the same duplicitous Blair as always was sadly. He's still at it now, doing his best to derail Brexit. For someone who came to power on the basis of listening to ordinary people, he only hears the voices which support his own views. He's not alone in that amongst politicians of course but he is one of the most hated people in the UK for good reason and his IMHO his handing of the UK's EU membership is one of the biggest reasons for that.
So he was about in 1957 then? And here was me thinking that we didn't join until 1973 as well. Gosh history is being rewritten well today.

Next thing you will be telling me that from 2019, £350 million a week will be spent on building new hospitals. Mind you, reading through some of the posts it looks like 60% of the population (those that didn't vote to leave) will have to emigrate if they express an opinion so at least the existing hospitals will have spaces (mainly for EU migrants for the immediate two years afterwards anyway).

heero_yuy 07-09-2017 15:10
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Originally Posted by Bircho (Post 35915635)

Next thing you will be telling me that from 2019, £350 million a week will be spent on building new hospitals. Mind you, reading through some of the posts it looks like 60% of the population (those that didn't vote to leave) will have to emigrate if they express an opinion so at least the existing hospitals will have spaces (mainly for EU migrants for the immediate two years afterwards anyway).
Surely you mean the 60% that didn't vote to remain ;) (by your same assumption)

daveeb 07-09-2017 15:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35915619)
now that's a 'well-articulated and informative post' and your right about the endless remoaning death throes of the vanquished losers.
:clap::clap::clap:

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:rofl::rofl::rofl::clap:
You've mastered these smilies like a champ.

Bircho 07-09-2017 15:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heero_yuy (Post 35915637)
Surely you mean the 60% that didn't vote to remain ;) (by your same assumption)
No. The vote was not whether we wished to remain as we are already in. So the vast majority of the population did not vote to leave.

papa smurf 07-09-2017 15:35
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Originally Posted by Bircho (Post 35915641)
No. The vote was not whether we wished to remain as we are already in. So the vast majority of the population did not vote to leave.
there were 2 choices on my ballot paper remain or leave

pip08456 07-09-2017 15:39
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
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Originally Posted by Bircho (Post 35915641)
No. The vote was not whether we wished to remain as we are already in. So the vast majority of the population did not vote to leave.
Remoaner misinformation again!

The question on the ballot paper was "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?".

By your logic all those who voted to remain can be discounted therefore 100% of those who voted were leavers.

A 100% result cannot be argued with.

papa smurf 07-09-2017 15:40
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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35915639)
You've mastered these smilies like a champ.
if you work on that sarcasm you might be good at in a few years .

Ignitionnet 07-09-2017 16:06
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For the grown-ups:

The European Research Group, the wing of the Tories that really, really, really doesn't like the EU, has raised objections to Clause 9 of the Repeal Bill on the grounds that it could be used to unilaterally add EU/EEA laws.

It is so wide-ranging that it could, in theory, be used to take the UK into the Euro.

It fails a simple test:

Quote:
Anyone in favour of these powers as proposed should just ask: what could your political opponents do with these very same powers?
So that's objections from remain, WTO leave and EEA leave. Could be fun.

Bircho 07-09-2017 16:18
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 35915646)
Remoaner misinformation again!

The question on the ballot paper was "Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?".

By your logic all those who voted to remain can be discounted therefore 100% of those who voted were leavers.

A 100% result cannot be argued with.
Irrelevant when you are already in :) That is what all the legal challenge was about. Pendantic I know. But true. We had to come out as we were already in.

Doesn't take away from the fact that Tony Blair apparently signed the Treaty of Rome in 1957. Proves some people really didn't know what they were voting for.

Osem 07-09-2017 16:20
Re: Brexit: Article 50 Has Been Triggered !
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bircho (Post 35915635)
So he was about in 1957 then? And here was me thinking that we didn't join until 1973 as well. Gosh history is being rewritten well today.

Next thing you will be telling me that from 2019, £350 million a week will be spent on building new hospitals. Mind you, reading through some of the posts it looks like 60% of the population (those that didn't vote to leave) will have to emigrate if they express an opinion so at least the existing hospitals will have spaces (mainly for EU migrants for the immediate two years afterwards anyway).
Well he was around in 1957 yes as he was born in 1953 but it was a bit too early for him to be much involved in politics.

Yes we joined the EEC in 1973 a very different animal from what the EU has since become and therein lies much of the problem - a European Economic Community comprised of a small number of broadly similar nations as opposed to a European Union heading inevitably towards a single European state comprised of a much larger number of very different nations.

I explained my error re the Lisbon treaty (which I wrongly called the treaty of Rome in my original post*) but maybe you were so occupied worrying about having to emigrate that you missed that bit. You're not denying the role Blair played in any of that or that it resulted in powers being ceded to the EU are you? That would be rewriting history you know.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=2799

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He wasn't as I'm sure you know.

It was the Lisbon treaty I was referring to. Blair signed the UK up to the new European Constitution which then culminated in the Lisbon Treaty actually signed by Brown after Blair's resignation. The end result, so far as the UK's sovereignty is concerned, was the same and it's hardly surprising that having been deprived of one promised referendum then, those of us who want to leave the EU might be just a bit sensitive about the same politicians trying to undo the vote we were finally allowed to have.

Bircho 07-09-2017 16:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35915652)
Well he was around in 1957 yes as he was born in 1953.

I explained my error re the Lisbon treaty (which I wrongly called the treat of Rome in my original post*) but maybe you were so occupied worrying about having to emigrate that you missed that bit. You're not denying the role Blair played in any of that or that it resulted in powers being ceded to the EU are you? That would be rewriting history you know.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...postcount=2799
Ok. So this Treaty of Lisbon. Just remind me what powers they grabbed from us (or do you mean that things now went to the European Parliament which were voted on by democratically elected European MPs instead of being decided on by 27 people round a table).

Osem 07-09-2017 16:35
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Originally Posted by Bircho (Post 35915654)
Ok. So this Treaty of Lisbon. Just remind me what powers they grabbed from us (or do you mean that things now went to the European Parliament which were voted on by democratically elected European MPs instead of being decided on by 27 people round a table).
If you read my post you'll see I specifically stated the powers weren't grabbed they were effectively ceded to Europe by PM's of various governments and Blair promised a referendum on the subject which he then reneged on, thereby preventing the electorate from have their say at the time.

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Of course certain of our own governments have effectively ceded powers to the EU in the past. Whilst those powers can't be said to have been 'grabbed' by anyone, they're no longer within parliament's sole control, the effect on the UK's sovereignty is exactly the same and that is what led to the referendum result. We were asked whether we wanted to stay or leave the EU and gave our answer. Blair signed the Treaty of Rome having promised that there'd be a referendum on it but reneged on that promise. So no the EU didn't grab those powers from the UK, they were effectively donated by a PM whose love of the EU is very well known and who is still today trying to undermine the referendum result. Yet another politician who only respects democracy when it yields the required outcome. Quelle surprise.

Ignitionnet 07-09-2017 17:45
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Predictably and inevitably the Standard are putting the boot in on this issue.

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/c...-a3629186.html

This is a very interesting one. Opinions run a range from considering it akin to The Enabling Act of 1933 through to that any dissension on it is akin to being a traitor to the UK.

The House of Lords have voiced their concern.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2017/09/6.jpg

Something along these lines is required to ensure a smooth exit from the European Union. This particular version? Really not.

David Davis took the government of the day to court to ensure the sovereignty of Parliament but now he's trying to bypass it. John Redwood has reverted to doublespeak.

ianch99 07-09-2017 18:20
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The whole thing started with folly and now has reached farce. Maybe fiasco is next? :)

1andrew1 07-09-2017 20:37
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35915592)
Yep we all know Brexit is happening but personally l welcome Ignitionnet well thought out articulated posts as nowt much of that seems to be coming from our elected politicians currently or from some on here.
I welcome the appearance of a leaver equivalent at the level of Ignitionet on this forum. Such a person would undoubtedly raise the level of the debate.

Osem 07-09-2017 22:32
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It's nice to see the Eurocrats being so mature again.

https://order-order.com/2017/09/07/barnier-eats-words/

ianch99 07-09-2017 22:41
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35915697)
I welcome the appearance of a leaver equivalent at the level of Ignitionet on this forum. Such a person would undoubtedly raise the level of the debate.
I agree. The only way is up, right? :)

Remind me, how is "debate" defined again on this forum?

daveeb 07-09-2017 22:58
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 35915707)
I agree. The only way is up, right? :)

Remind me, how is "debate" defined again on this forum?
you lost snowflake we're leaving ;):):erm::dozey::(:angel::monkey::o::D

;)

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35915697)
I welcome the appearance of a leaver equivalent at the level of Ignitionet on this forum. Such a person would undoubtedly raise the level of the debate.
Currently unsurpassed i'm afraid.

TheDaddy 08-09-2017 04:06
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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 35915588)
thanks it's nice to be noticed :tu:
Makes a change for you to :)

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35915697)
I welcome the appearance of a leaver equivalent at the level of Ignitionet on this forum. Such a person would undoubtedly raise the level of the debate.
Some didn't want the level raised before the vote, why would they want it raised now

ianch99 08-09-2017 08:23
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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35915710)
you lost snowflake we're leaving ;):):erm::dozey::(:angel::monkey::o::D

;)
Yup, that's about right ...

Osem 08-09-2017 10:32
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Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 35915710)
you lost snowflake we're leaving ;):):erm::dozey::(:angel::monkey::o::D
That's a tad selective. There's plenty of reasoned debate in this thread an others on the EU subject.

Hugh 08-09-2017 11:16
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Originally Posted by Osem (Post 35915740)
That's a tad selective. There's plenty of reasoned debate in this thread an others on the EU subject.
True, but there's also a plethora of what he stated...

Kursk 08-09-2017 11:22
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 35915697)
I welcome the appearance of a leaver equivalent at the level of Ignitionet on this forum. Such a person would undoubtedly raise the level of the debate.
Oh, it'll be a 'bunch' of fun.

Returning from a ban for ad hominem attacks on forum members and admin, I just hope the foul-mouthed braggart can keep his smugness in check and manners on display :rolleyes:.

Mick 08-09-2017 11:29
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The constant baiting, belittling of either side of the vote needs to end. No side holds the moral high ground here. I'm out and writing this on my mobile but I would like another member of the team to close this thread and start another fresh brexit thread please, if not I will do it when I get home. The new thread must be a reasonable and a frank debate, it's impossible to agree on this topic but non of this, "he/she is thick" or "you're a snowflake". This is not Facebook or twitter.

denphone 08-09-2017 11:44
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 35915748)
The constant baiting, belittling of either side of the vote needs to end. No side holds the moral high ground here. I'm out and writing this on my mobile but I would like another member of the team to close this thread and start another fresh brexit thread please, if not I will do it when I get home. The new thread must be a reasonable and a frank debate, it's impossible to agree on this topic but non of this, "he/she is thick" or "you're a snowflake". This is not Facebook or twitter.
Well said.:tu:

Hugh 08-09-2017 12:17
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Thread Closed

New thread here:- https://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/s...php?t=33705369


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