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thenry 06-10-2013 17:33

Re: Football Season 2013/14 & Summer Window
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35628936)
There running out of cells at Tottenham - the chanting is getting louder and you can hear it on the radio.

Ye be proud of that. The Hammers will be proud of their 3pts. Clowns.

Damien 06-10-2013 17:38

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To be fair I sympathise with Tottenham on the chanting. There is no way they can be claimed to have been chanting the world out of hate or spite. If anything they're neutralising the harm in the word.

Mr Pharmacist 06-10-2013 17:42

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West Hams 3rd was fantastic. From the turn and control in midfield to the run and finish.

thenry 06-10-2013 17:46

Re: Football Season 2013/14 & Summer Window
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35628949)
To be fair I sympathise with Tottenham on the chanting. There is no way they can be claimed to have been chanting the world out of hate or spite. If anything they're neutralising the harm in the word.

I find it hard to listen to some black people hype up the N word. Equally I'd find it hard to hear brown Asians hype up the P word etc. etc. theres no need for it.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pharmacist (Post 35628951)
West Hams 3rd was fantastic. From the turn and control in midfield to the run and finish.

He's a Gooner :D

denphone 06-10-2013 17:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pharmacist (Post 35628951)
West Hams 3rd was fantastic. From the turn and control in midfield to the run and finish.

My my TD will be happy tonight while Arthur drowns his sorrows.:D

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35628952)
I find it hard to listen to some black people hype up the N word. Equally I'd find it hard to hear brown Asians hype up the P word etc. etc. theres no need for it.

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He's a Gooner :D

Yes l agree as some have a habit of overplaying it when there is no need for it.

Mr Pharmacist 06-10-2013 18:09

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Never knew that thenry. Only know that he came from United with a lot of potential. Here's the goal for those who can't wait anyway. http://www.101greatgoals.com/ Think it's Diame whose neat control and touch sent him on his way.

thenry 06-10-2013 18:41

Re: Football Season 2013/14 & Summer Window
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Pharmacist (Post 35628964)
Never knew that thenry. Only know that he came from United with a lot of potential. Here's the goal for those who can't wait anyway. http://www.101greatgoals.com/ Think it's Diame whose neat control and touch sent him on his way.

:D

Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35628508)
Quote:

Arsenal fan Morrison out to Hammer Spurs as former bad boy enjoys revival

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz2gqJNLZd3
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
:)



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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu (Post 35628936)
There running out of cells at Tottenham - the chanting is getting louder and you can hear it on the radio.

did you hear West Ham fans chant 'If we can't use the Y word, we'll just call you c's'

FOffYouSpurs

Arthurgray50@blu 06-10-2013 19:11

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Well played to the Hammers, what l think is the problem is that they won't stop the fans singing that word.

I would have thought that there are more important things in the world for the authorities to act upon. The Spurs sing the word INSIDE the ground, not outside.

What this could do is to have fans sing it, along with other fans singing a more sadistic word towards the Spurs supporters, and this will create more trouble.

I dont know who started this slanging match against the word, knew what they would cause.

thenry 06-10-2013 20:09

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This Juve - AC game is end to end

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Michu has been called up by Spain. Hardly surprising. Torres and Soldado :sleep:

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/245141.html

Uncle Peter 07-10-2013 00:23

Re: Football Season 2013/14 & Summer Window
 
Aye a Serie A game that didn't put you to sleep like a valium overdose. Who would have thought it.

Just watched River Plate try and kick the crap out of Boca for 94 minutes... and lose. That Gigliotti scored again.

Dave42 07-10-2013 11:12

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Sky Sports News ‏@SkySportsNews 6m
Sky sources: Sunderland to appoint Gus Poyet as manager in next 24 hours #SSN

happy with that welcome Gus

denphone 07-10-2013 12:04

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Good appointment in my opinion.

thenry 07-10-2013 16:32

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Harry Redknapp insists Football Association are 'clueless'

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...n-are-clueless
strong words by Harry

colin25 07-10-2013 16:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35629091)
Good appointment in my opinion.

only time will tell

Dave42 07-10-2013 16:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35629176)
strong words by Harry

they are have been for very long time

denphone 07-10-2013 17:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35629176)
strong words by Harry

Absolutely spot on for once.

thenry 07-10-2013 18:24

Re: Football Season 2013/14 & Summer Window
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Uncle Peter (Post 35629043)
Aye a Serie A game that didn't put you to sleep like a valium overdose. Who would have thought it.

Quote:

AC Milan defender Philippe Mexes has been handed a four-match ban after punching Juventus defender Giorgio Chiellini during Sunday’s match.

http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2013...our-match-ban/
Quote:

AC Milan will have to play their next home match against Udinese behind closed doors due to discriminatory chants made by their supporters during Sunday’s match against Juventus.

Along with the stadium closure, Milan have been handed a €50,000 ban.

http://forzaitalianfootball.com/2013...ainst-udinese/

Dave42 08-10-2013 08:58

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Poyet Confirmed


Club confirm new head coach

Published: 08 October, 2013
by Sunderland AFC

Poyet to take charge of Black Cats.

Sunderland AFC has today announced the appointment of Gustavo Poyet as head coach.

The 45 year-old has agreed a two year contract at the Stadium of Light and will take charge of the Black Cats with immediate effect.

The Uruguayan began his coaching career in England in 2006 at Swindon Town, before joining Leeds United as assistant manager. After a year at Elland Road, Poyet returned to his former club Tottenham Hotspur as First Team Coach, before becoming Assistant Manager to Juande Ramos.

In 2009 he was appointed as manager at Brighton and Hove Albion. During his tenure on the south coast, he led the club to promotion to the Championship and reached the play-off semi-finals. At the end of the 2010-11 season Poyet was awarded the title of LMA League One Manager of the Year.

Speaking about the appointment, Sunderland AFC Chairman, Ellis Short, said: “We analysed a wide range of candidates and believe that Gus's track record, experience, commitment and passion make him the right man to take us forward."

“We welcome him to Sunderland.”

Poyet first arrived in English football as a player with Chelsea in 1997 where he went on to make 105 appearances, scoring 36 goals for the Blues. He then moved to London rivals Tottenham Hotspur in 2001, where he spent three years as a player. He was capped 26 times for his country.

Poyet will be joined at the Stadium of Light by his backroom staff Mauricio Taricco and Charlie Oatway

http://www.safc.com/news/team-news/2...new-head-coach

welcome Gus good luck you need it with our team

denphone 08-10-2013 10:33

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Yes l think he needs to get some players out who think they are bigger then the team.

MalteseFalcon 08-10-2013 11:18

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Let's just hope that the players use the facilities before getting anywhere near the dressing room of the officials. Did good with Brighton, so look forward to seeing what he can do with Sunderland.

thenry 08-10-2013 16:18

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Quote:

Aaron Ramsey and Arsène Wenger have been named the Barclays Player of the Month and Barclays Manager of the Month respectively.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...barclays-award

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/10/49.jpg
well deserved :D

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Quote:

Former Manchester United first-team coach Rene Meulensteen has turned down an offer to become assistant manager of Fulham as he continues talks to become technical director at the Qatar Football Association.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24440853


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Quote:

Newcastle's Yohan Cabaye says Joe Kinnear is the man to ask about his failed summer move

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...ed-summer-move
lol Adz?

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This pic is doing the rounds.. possibly Arsenals 2014> kit being worn by Henry. Girouds wearing the training kit

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2013/10/50.jpg

I dont like it. its boring. and the training kit looks like PSG.

I really like what this person mocked up...

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2014/01/2.png
https://twitter.com/Lagvilava7/statu...87742374760448

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2014/01/3.png
https://twitter.com/Lagvilava7/statu...91039261220864

TheDaddy 08-10-2013 17:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35629374)
Yes l think he needs to get some players out who think they are bigger then the team.

Like whom?

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35629353)
welcome Gus good luck you need it with our team

Gone from firey Italian coach to firey Uruguayan coach, neither of which are managers, good luck indeed.

denphone 08-10-2013 17:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35629530)
Like whom?

Several players who played for MU for starters who still delude themselves of their own importance and over-rated talents.

thenry 08-10-2013 17:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35623697)
Sundays game at the Emirates will commemorate 100yrs in Islington. Special shirts and stuff will be auctioned off for The Arsenal Foundation

Quote:

Bid for '100 Years in Islington' shirt

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...slington-shirt

TheDaddy 08-10-2013 17:32

Re: Football Season 2013/14 & Summer Window
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35629538)
Several players who played for MU for starters who still delude themselves of their own importance and over-rated talents.

Really, have they never considered there's a reason why their no longer at Utd, I thought you were going to say Johnson, a case of never has been and never will be if he doesn't sort his head out.

Shadow Demon UK 08-10-2013 19:50

Re: Football Season 2013/14 & Summer Window
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35629538)
Several players who played for MU for starters who still delude themselves of their own importance and over-rated talents.


That's utter rubbish, Wes Brown and John O'Shea are probably 2 of the most professional, down to earth footballers around. You literally have no idea what you're talking about

denphone 08-10-2013 20:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35629543)
Really, have they never considered there's a reason why their no longer at Utd, I thought you were going to say Johnson, a case of never has been and never will be if he doesn't sort his head out.

Johnson reminds me of other type players in that they are very one dimensional in that they never develop their games once they come through as youngsters.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35629647)
That's utter rubbish, Wes Brown and John O'Shea are probably 2 of the most professional, down to earth footballers around. You literally have no idea what you're talking about

They can't be that professional as these are two of the main Protagonist's in getting rid of Di Canio with that well worn path of player power which has become very prevalent in these last few years and to me l don't call that being professional.

Shadow Demon UK 08-10-2013 20:11

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Do you have a link to where you read they were the main 2?

denphone 08-10-2013 20:19

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Here are a couple of links and there are many more.

http://www.sunderland.vitalfootball....e.asp?a=334061

http://www.sunderland-mad.co.uk/news...57/index.shtml

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/footb...Paolo-Di-Canio

http://www.express.co.uk/sport/footb...Paolo-Di-Canio

colin25 09-10-2013 05:39

Re: Football Season 2013/14 & Summer Window
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35629650)
Johnson reminds me of other type players in that they are very one dimensional in that they never develop their games once they come through as youngsters.

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They can't be that professional as these are two of the main Protagonist's in getting rid of Di Canio with that well worn path of player power which has become very prevalent in these last few years and to me l don't call that being professional.

You made the mistake of mentioning man utd players...thou shall not abuse an ex-player of man utd...I am sure that is how they wrote the bible :D

Shadow Demon UK 09-10-2013 09:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35629733)
You made the mistake of mentioning man utd players...thou shall not abuse an ex-player of man utd...I am sure that is how they wrote the bible :D


Its just a bitter scouser having a pop at ex-united players for no reason.

Both have won more league titles than Gerrard ever will by the way ;)

denphone 09-10-2013 09:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35629753)
Its just a bitter scouser having a pop at ex-united players for no reason.

Both have won more league titles than Gerrard ever will by the way ;)

Don't make me laugh Shadow as l am afraid your imagination has been running wild too much lately.:rofl::rofl::nono::nono:

thenry 09-10-2013 15:03

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Quote:

Dennis Bergkamp reveals he wants to return to Arsenal to work on the club's coaching staff

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ing-staff.html
:D

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Exclusive: Newcastle United lead the way towards £20 away tickets as fans' pressure forces price cuts by Manchester United, Liverpool and Arsenal

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...l-8867482.html
:)

denphone 09-10-2013 16:30

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Well Dennis is a true legend and would be welcomed back totally.

thenry 09-10-2013 17:20

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Yup.

Jacks got himself in a bit of trouble lol

Quote:

"The only people who should play for England are English people. If you live in England for five years it doesn't make you English. If I went to Spain and lived there for five years I am not going to play for Spain. We have to remember what we are. We are English."

http://www1.skysports.com/football/n...ay-for-england
Quote:

https://twitter.com/JackWilshere

Just to clarify a few things....again! Seems to be a trend in this country, poor journalism in my eyes! I wasn't referring to Janujaz...
https://twitter.com/JackWilshere/sta...97187948331008

The question was should foreign players be allowed to play for England, and in my opinion I don't think they should! He is a great player...
https://twitter.com/JackWilshere/sta...97188204158976

I wish he was English! I'm sure most of you agree with me even if some journalist are trying to make me look bad....again!
https://twitter.com/JackWilshere/sta...97584582684672

Anyway....training was decent today, I even managed to score again! With my right foot! #wishingtraininggoalscounted
https://twitter.com/JackWilshere/sta...97890221592576
im not really sure where to stand on this. born English citizen or taken up citizenship, it doesnt really matter so long as your fully focused on your citizenship. if Janujaz opts to take up citizenship and declares himself for the English national team then i dont see a problem. i dont however agree with changing nationality every so often, that doesn't make sense.

Shadow Demon UK 09-10-2013 17:24

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It was a pretty stupid comment to make. He should have just said its his decision to make and left it at that. When you start talking about England is for the English etc its only going to be reported one way by the media...

Damien 09-10-2013 17:29

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Yeah if you take English nationality and grew up here then you're English. Under that logic Mo Farah wouldn't be British, nor would half our cricket team. You don't have to be born here to be English. Although I imagine Jack probably just meant a teenager who has been here a few years and isn't really nationalised.

thenry 09-10-2013 17:48

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City players and staff dip into their own pockets to halve cost of away games for fans

The cost of Manchester City's away games this season will be halved after everyone at the club put their own money in to help subsidise the matches.

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....ZVqKCE.twitter
:clap: the momentum is gathering behind lower ticket prices :)

denphone 09-10-2013 18:03

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Yes it was a silly comment by Jack and l hope someone advises him next time to keep his mouth shut.

adzii_nufc 09-10-2013 19:11

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I never thought Mike Ashley would be responsible for getting the ball rolling... Although he's always trying to annoy people in a business sense, Whelan over at the 'JJB' knows a lot about that.

thenry 09-10-2013 19:19

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Angry Levski Sofia fans force new coach Ivaylo Petev to take off the team's shirt at his first news conference, before escorting him out.

The fans were unhappy at Petev's appointment at the Bulgarian club as they believe he is a supporter of arch city rivals CSKA Sofia.

Several dozen hostile fans burst in shortly after the start of Petev's first news conference, making him remove his shirt before ushering him out of the room.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24458599
he then quit lol

TheDaddy 09-10-2013 21:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35629932)
Yes it was a silly comment by Jack and l hope someone advises him next time to keep his mouth shut.

Why, isn't he allowed an opinion and I don't think it was a "silly" comment, what's the point of having a national team if none of them in it are nationals and more importantly is this really the way to sort out the national team, fill up the academies with foreign kids.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35629918)
Yeah if you take English nationality and grew up here then you're English. Under that logic Mo Farah wouldn't be British, nor would half our cricket team. You don't have to be born here to be English. Although I imagine Jack probably just meant a teenager who has been here a few years and isn't really nationalised.

Half the English cricket team aren't English, they don't even pretend they are.

Damien 09-10-2013 21:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35630011)
Why, isn't he allowed an opinion and I don't think it was a "silly" comment, what's the point of having a national team if none of them in it are nationals and more importantly is this really the way to sort out the national team, fill up the academies with foreign kids.[COLOR="Silver"]

The only problem in what he said is that he didn't take into account the possibility that you can be English/British without having been born here. If someone moved here at the age of 10, lived here since, and took nationality then they're English/British. Nationality is a product of where you live and with whom you identify, not what bit of land you were born on. If anything someone who moved here, likes it here, and took the nationality is more British than most us as they worked for it and wanted it. The rest of us were just lucky.

thenry 09-10-2013 21:29

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sorted...

Quote:

To be clear, never said 'born in England' - I said English people should play for England.
https://twitter.com/JackWilshere/sta...35564223873025

Great respect for people like KP, Mo Farah and Wilf Zaha - they make the country proud.
https://twitter.com/JackWilshere/sta...36249367617536

My view on football - going to a new country when ur an adult, & because u can get a passport u play 4 that national team - I disagree
https://twitter.com/JackWilshere/sta...36996310269952

Just saying my opinion, everyone is entitled to theirs. Can't wait for Friday night...
https://twitter.com/JackWilshere/sta...37312674025472
i agree too!

Russ 09-10-2013 21:35

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Would he have turned Ryan Giggs down? Not a chance.

Damien 09-10-2013 21:38

Re: Football Season 2013/14 & Summer Window
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630021)
Would he have turned Ryan Giggs down? Not a chance.

I know Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland hate this idea but I always would have preferred a British national team. I identify as British far more than I do as English. :(

Russ 09-10-2013 21:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35630022)
I know Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland hate this idea but I always would have preferred a British national team. I identify as British far more than I do as English. :(

Really? I don't think so. The individual FAs may be against it but I'm pretty sure the majority of football fans consider themselves British and would prefer a team to reflect that.

thenry 09-10-2013 21:39

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Quote:

David Ornstein ‏@bbcsport_david
Spoken to Wenger on @JackWilshere: “I agree. If we're not clear on it, national teams will become like a club - players will buy passports."
9:38 PM - 9 Oct 13
https://twitter.com/bbcsport_david/s...40907112476672

TheDaddy 09-10-2013 21:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien (Post 35630015)
The only problem in what he said is that he didn't take into account the possibility that you can be English/British without having been born here. If someone moved here at the age of 10, lived here since, and took nationality then they're English/British. Nationality is a product of where you live and with whom you identify, not what bit of land you were born on. If anything someone who moved here, likes it here, and took the nationality is more British than most us as they worked for it and wanted it. The rest of us were just lucky.

I'd say that person was English to, that's not what's being spoken of with janujaz, five years residency doesn't make him English imo.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630021)
Would he have turned Ryan Giggs down? Not a chance.

No because there is an agreement between the home nations regarding nationalities apparently.

Damien 09-10-2013 21:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35630027)
I'd say that person was English to, that's not what's being spoken of with janujaz, five years residency doesn't make him English imo.

No I agree with that. In some respects he was set up but he isn't very smart so it's quite easy.

Russ 09-10-2013 22:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35630027)

No because there is an agreement between the home nations regarding nationalities apparently.

If there is then it played no part in Giggs playing for Wales. He had the choice (similar to Michael Owen) but chose Wales. Had anyone known how he was going to turn out would any England fans have taken JW's attitude? No way, especially during those times in the 90s when England's options on the attacking left were severely limited.

TheDaddy 09-10-2013 22:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630041)
If there is then it played no part in Giggs playing for Wales. He had the choice (similar to Michael Owen) but chose Wales. Had anyone known how he was going to turn out would any England fans have taken JW's attitude? No way, especially during those times in the 90s when England's options on the attacking left were severely limited.

As of '93 he had the choice who to play for as a british passport holder, the situation is unique to the british Isles so has no baring on any other case, also prior to '93 he couldn't choose. Also what did he ever do at international level?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_eligibility_rules

iadom 09-10-2013 22:43

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Looks like the Cardiff owner is making some rather silly decisions.:shocked:

new appointment

Russ 09-10-2013 22:44

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One man does not make a team so it's not a case of what he ever did at international level - the fact is England had deficiencies in Giggs' position before and during his peak. Giggs is not English but he was eligible to play for them before he declared for Wales.

The point I'm making was if it had been known what sort of player he'd turn out to be would England fans have been saying 'No, he's not English so we don't want him"?

Damien 09-10-2013 23:16

Re: Football Season 2013/14 & Summer Window
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630023)
Really? I don't think so. The individual FAs may be against it but I'm pretty sure the majority of football fans consider themselves British and would prefer a team to reflect that.

I wish that were true but I always get the impression it isn't. It's why I care less about the national team. It's just not national, it's England. I was much more up for the Olympics with Team GB flying under the British flag and Scotsman teaming up with Welshman teaming up with the Northern Irish teaming up with the English. My passport says British, the flag is the Union Jack, and the Island contains three nations (and we have a few other islands too :D).

I would love a British football team. I don't think many share that desire however. I think it's stupid have the nations have governed together, created together, fought together, and competed together but when it comes to Football it's somehow different. The country was happy when Murray won so why can't we all have the same unity for Football? Bizarre.

TheDaddy 10-10-2013 01:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630069)
One man does not make a team so it's not a case of what he ever did at international level - the fact is England had deficiencies in Giggs' position before and during his peak. Giggs is not English but he was eligible to play for them before he declared for Wales.

The point I'm making was if it had been known what sort of player he'd turn out to be would England fans have been saying 'No, he's not English so we don't want him"?

Giggs went to school in England and had his early footballing education here not to mention his entire career so it's an entirely different situation to the current one. The point I'm making is he did nothing at international level so why would he have been the man to solve any deficiencies, based on what he did he'd have been another John Barnes.

colin25 10-10-2013 05:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630023)
Really? I don't think so. The individual FAs may be against it but I'm pretty sure the majority of football fans consider themselves British and would prefer a team to reflect that.

I feel confident (though not asked everyone) that scotland does not want a british team for football, and could care less for a british team. But that is for football. Other sports, status quo remains.

Not sure about Wales, perhaps they prefer to be part of the England set-up? Isn't that same for the beloved cricket?

Next you will want a welsh/england rugby team :D

Russ 10-10-2013 05:48

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35630114)
Giggs went to school in England and had his early footballing education here not to mention his entire career so it's an entirely different situation to the current one. The point I'm making is he did nothing at international level so why would he have been the man to solve any deficiencies, based on what he did he'd have been another John Barnes.

He did nothing at international level due to who he was playing alongside - I'm sure much the same thing will be able to be said about Bale over the next few years but no legitimate England fan would refuse him in the team if they had the option.

Again you're missing the point - Wiltshire said only English players should qualify for England. If Giggs' choice had been based on a fan (or even a player) vote he'd never have turned out for Wales.

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Quote:

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35630124)
I feel confident (though not asked everyone) that scotland does not want a british team for football, and could care less for a british team.

You mean could not care less.

Quote:

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35630124)
But that is for football. Other sports, status quo remains.

I'm pretty sure that overall most fans would prefer a GB team.

Quote:

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35630124)
Not sure about Wales, perhaps they prefer to be part of the England set-up? Isn't that same for the beloved cricket?

No, again a BRITISH team would be the preference.

Quote:

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35630124)
Next you will want a welsh/england rugby team :D

As long as the team was still called Wales :)

denphone 10-10-2013 06:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630021)
Would he have turned Ryan Giggs down? Not a chance.

It would have been wonderful to have had Giggsy playing for us..

TheDaddy 10-10-2013 11:37

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630126)
He did nothing at international level due to who he was playing alongside - I'm sure much the same thing will be able to be said about Bale over the next few years but no legitimate England fan would refuse him in the team if they had the option.

Again you're missing the point - Wiltshire said only English players should qualify for England. If Giggs' choice had been based on a fan (or even a player) vote he'd never have turned out for Wales. :)

Could of, would of, should of, my moneys on him having done nothing for England, just like he did for Wales. Wiltshire then clarified his position to one I agree with giggs and bale spent the majorities of their school and early footballing lives here and as such have England more than Wales to thank for their ability today. A much better example to use would be Lennox Lewis imo, some one who was born here left as a baby, represented his adopted country at the olympics and if I'm being cynical rediscovered the country of his birth to boost his pay cheque, that said I bet he in particular does feel something for this country but in his heart I doubt he ever calls it home.

Russ 10-10-2013 11:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35630224)
Wiltshire then clarified his position

aka backed down when he realised how silly his comments were.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35630224)
to one I agree with giggs and bale spent the majorities of their school and early footballing lives here and as such have England more than Wales to thank for their ability today.

Don't worry, you weren't in danger of looking like you were going to be complimentary about Wales.

England wouldn't have said no to Giggs, in fact amongst others Harry Rednapp and Sven both said they wished he hadn't chosen Wales.

TheDaddy 10-10-2013 11:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630227)
aka backed down when he realised how silly his comments were.



Don't worry, you weren't in danger of looking like you were going to be complimentary about Wales.

England wouldn't have said no to Giggs, in fact amongst others Harry Rednapp and Sven both said they wished he hadn't chosen Wales.

I didn't say they would say no, just that he would've made no difference to the team and done nothing in it. I don't think he backed down as such, more fully explained his position, we either want access to footballers and their thoughts or we want these awful media savvy say nothing interviews that we get after matches.

Russ 10-10-2013 11:57

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35630232)
I didn't say they would say no, just that he would've made no difference to the team and done nothing in it.

He still would have had the call-up, and that's what this is all about. Januzaj getting a call-up for the England team and whether his not being English should make a difference.

Shadow Demon UK 10-10-2013 13:01

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I think the rules are pretty fair as they are. If a country invests in a young player from an early age the player should be able to play for that country no matter where they were born. The only thing I don't agree with is when the player is older and they qualify through residency, like when there was talk of Almunia and Arteta playing for England.

TheDaddy 10-10-2013 13:03

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Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630239)
He still would have had the call-up, and that's what this is all about. Januzaj getting a call-up for the England team and whether his not being English should make a difference.

Yes and as stated their different cases ones been here five minutes and the other spent his entire life here all but.

Russ 10-10-2013 13:26

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35630280)
Yes and as stated their different cases ones been here five minutes and the other spent his entire life here all but.

'Different' but the same - both initially would qualify for teams other than England, both have/had the option to play for them.

By the time Januzaj has the option he'll have been living here for considerably more than '5 minutes', as per employment laws.

TheDaddy 10-10-2013 13:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630289)
'Different' but the same - both initially would qualify for teams other than England, both have/had the option to play for them.

By the time Januzaj has the option he'll have been living here for considerably more than '5 minutes', as per employment laws.

Not the same at all, one lived here, grew up here, played here and owes much of his footballing ability to this country the other doesn't even have the option to play for England and won't for three years as he hasn't even resided here long enough to qualify, so completely different.

Russ 10-10-2013 13:57

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OK then for your benefit we'll just say it's different even though it's about 2 players who despite qualifying more for other nation both could qualify/have qualified for England.

The fact that all along we're referring to Janujaz in 5 years is something else we'll sweep under the carpet.

colin25 10-10-2013 16:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630126)
I'm pretty sure that overall most fans would prefer a GB team.

I think you are way off the mark. wayyyyyyy offf :D

denphone 10-10-2013 16:22

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35630387)
I think you are way off the mark. wayyyyyyy offf :D

Is he?.

Shadow Demon UK 10-10-2013 17:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35630387)
I think you are way off the mark. wayyyyyyy offf :D


I reckon the scots wouldn't be happy having no players in the GB team and wales having just one

colin25 10-10-2013 17:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35630388)
Is he?.

Yes. Not a hope that scotland would want to be part of a british team.

I consider myself british, but why would I want my football team to be British?

I have no issues with other sports, but disagree with football.

And i love laughing at england team :D

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadow Demon UK (Post 35630410)
I reckon the scots wouldn't be happy having no players in the GB team and wales having just one

Wouldn't be bothered.

denphone 10-10-2013 18:02

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Have you had a opinion poll in Scotland to ask them on it as l think you like Alex Salmond would be surprised at the vote dear chap.

colin25 10-10-2013 18:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35630430)
Have you had a opinion poll in Scotland to ask them on it as l think you like Alex Salmond would be surprised at the vote dear chap.

Den

Don't confuse the SNP agenda with what most scots want.

The vote (I hope) will be to stay in the union. But that doesn't mean we want a british team.

That has never been the desire.

I am wondering whether they have been putting something in the water down south, you are all getting odd. Maybe somebody has found our secret stash of whisky and have started putting it in the water down there.

Oh, and best not to add water, that might be the problem :)

TheDaddy 10-10-2013 22:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35630301)
OK then for your benefit we'll just say it's different even though it's about 2 players who despite qualifying more for other nation both could qualify/have qualified for England.

The fact that all along we're referring to Janujaz in 5 years is something else we'll sweep under the carpet.

You don't see a difference between some one going to school here, being with am English club through out his younger years and living in England as different from some one who pitched up here about two years ago, really? Even in five years it wouldn't be the same as giggs case, just more palatable.

thenry 11-10-2013 12:48

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Quote:

Wenger plotting Llorente loan swoop as unsettled Juventus striker looks to boost World Cup chances

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz2hPgEWmPY
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id rather a more technical pacey striker but if there are none then this guy could prove good business.

thenry 11-10-2013 16:47

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Quote:

Julian Draxler:

"If you want to achieve the big goals, which every world class player has, you have to play at the biggest clubs. These are Real, Barca, United, Arsenal, Chelsea.”

http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/b...3483--sow.html
Utd will no doubt show interest in the player.

denphone 11-10-2013 20:38

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He is a very good player.

TheDaddy 11-10-2013 21:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35630950)
Utd will no doubt show interest in the player.

Arsenal :confused: silly draxler

thenry 11-10-2013 23:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35631029)
Arsenal :confused: silly draxler

German contingent :p:

adzii_nufc 12-10-2013 08:09

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Appear to have just drove past the female Mesut ozil. Yum

denphone 12-10-2013 08:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35631128)
Appear to have just drove past the female Mesut ozil. Yum

You naughty man.:naughty::nono:

colin25 12-10-2013 08:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by adzii_nufc (Post 35631128)
Appear to have just drove past the female Mesut ozil. Yum

Are you sure it wasn't ozil in drag? :D

thenry 13-10-2013 14:05

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Quote:

Quote:

Mirror reports the Reds are resigned to losing their star in January. report suggests Arsenal will return for another shot at Suarez, but the 26-year-old would prefer a move to Real Madrid if Los Blancos come circling.
Check out all the latest News, Sport & Celeb gossip at Mirror.co.uk http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/footba...#ixzz2hbfmfzD2
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Quote:

There has been much fuss over Andros Townsend since his sizzling debut for England on Friday. According to the Sun, the 22-year-old is set for a mammoth pay rise -- of £30,000-a-week -- to keep him happy at Tottenham. Townsend is contracted to Spurs until 2016 and it is believed Andre Villas-Boas would like to bring his wage up to par with the rest of his team in the hope of extending that.
Quote:

Ashley Young could be loaned out in January to help the Manchester United winger regain his form, the Sunday People writes.
http://espnfc.com/blog/_/name/onthem.../13193?cc=5739

denphone 13-10-2013 14:15

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Don't you just love the usual made up Sunday papers speculation roundabout.

adzii_nufc 13-10-2013 17:00

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Suarez will leave though. It's not if, it's when.

Newcastle to bid for Micah Richards in January along with a possible move for Zaha.

Uncle Peter 13-10-2013 21:38

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Ah it's international break and the Daily Moron have run out of drivel to report.

zzzzzzzzz

thenry 13-10-2013 22:08

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Quote:

Manchester City eye Willy Caballero after recent Joe Hart errors

http://metro.co.uk/2013/10/12/manche...rrors-4143911/
hmmm.. Mancini wanted rid

Quote:

England No 1 Hart's place was under threat at City as Platt reveals move for Begovic

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...ster-City.html

thenry 14-10-2013 16:54

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Quote:

Premier League scores in the US as NBC coverage finds growing audience

Clever marketing and an aggressive commercial strategy result in sports-mad Americans taking to the English game

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...-league-us-nbc
http://collegetimes.ie/wp-content/up...3/09/floyd.gif

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Moyes didn't want me! Garay claims new Man United boss pulled plug on £18m move

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Quote:

Robert Lewandowski says he still wants to play in the Premier League and joining Bayern is not a done deal

Poland striker who will spearhead the attack at Wembley on Tuesday reveals his ambition is still to play for an English club

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...done-deal.html
Arsenal need a striker ;)

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Quote:

Reports linking Robert Lewandowski with a move to the Premier League are wide of the mark, a source has told ESPN, with the striker preferring to stay in the Bundesliga.

http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/15...a-stay?cc=5739
:sleep:

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Arsenal offered Real Madrid striker Karim Benzema for cut price of £20 million as they prepare Suarez move

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...-29657973.html
I dont' want Benzema. I want Morata!

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Quote:

Arsène Wenger thinks Brazil and Germany are the front-runners to win the World Cup in 2014.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-arc...-the-world-cup

denphone 14-10-2013 16:55

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Benzema is a lazy player in my opinion who has never fulfilled his potential.

colin25 14-10-2013 17:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35632005)
Benzema is a lazy player in my opinion who has never fulfilled his potential.

Please, if you changed the name..and kept the same statement, it would probably cover quite a few players :D

denphone 14-10-2013 17:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35632019)
Please, if you changed the name..and kept the same statement, it would probably cover quite a few players :D

Yes there is a few at your club my dear chap and at mine as well.:D

colin25 14-10-2013 17:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35632021)
Yes there is a few at your club my dear chap and at mine as well.:D

True :D

thenry 16-10-2013 14:33

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Quote:

'I'm a scapegoat!' Khedira blasts Real Madrid to put Chelsea and Man United back on alert

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strong words. will the lunatics like him speaking out like that.

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Real Madrid president Florentino Perez says club could go for Falcao. Has faith in Benzema but its the managers choice to keep or get rid. and the stadium refurb,,,

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...ticle/11019376

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Quote:

Inter Milan Sells 70% Stake To Indonesia's Erick Thohir At $480M Valuation

http://www.forbes.com/sites/afonteve...80m-valuation/
Moratti will stay on to oversee the smooth transition.

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Quote:

Talent Scout: Mohamed Salah - the hero against Chelsea who could become a star in Europe

Tottenham and Inter Milan have been linked with a move for the Basel player

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...e-8879775.html
nice read. one to watch.

adzii_nufc 17-10-2013 09:58

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Newcastle United, Swansea and West Brom become the first clubs to implement the twenty's plenty scheme after setting up deals with Swansea and West Brom. Newcastle's deal with West Brom is as low as £15 after both clubs agreed to charge each other's supporters that amount. This comes a short while after Newcastle originally pushed for clubs to mirror it's stance. Hull also have a similar deal with Swansea and it's expected Hull will join the current trio.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24559809

TheDaddy 17-10-2013 22:20

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Arsenal close to take.over apparently, usmannov has 30%

Who was the rat in the dressing room btw?

thenry 17-10-2013 22:26

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30% means nothing. The rules have changed.

Lampard, apparently.

TheDaddy 17-10-2013 22:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by thenry (Post 35633492)
30% means nothing. The rules have changed.

Lampard, apparently.

It means he can make an offer for the rest of the shares, not that he has to or that the offer has to be accepted iirc.

Would never have guessed it'd be him, I'd rep.if I could btw

thenry 17-10-2013 22:41

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He could have offered for all shares from the get go. The 30% will just get talked up as what could have happened under previous rules. The reason why he has probably lodged it today is because it was the AGM at Arsenal and Red&White/Usmanov wants a seat on the board. Many fans wonder why he's not on the board so its smart to lodge it today. Sir Chips, Arsenal chairman avoided the question at the AGM of why Usmanov isn't on the board.

Damien 17-10-2013 22:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 35633494)
It means he can make an offer for the rest of the shares, not that he has to or that the offer has to be accepted iirc.

Would never have guessed it'd be him, I'd rep.if I could btw

He can always make an offer for the rest of the shares. He could have, at any point, offered whatever he wanted for Kroenke's shares. The only thing that would have changed was that he could have seen access to the accounts but this was changed. Arsenal fans had been hyping this for years on Twitter as they nursed a dream that a rich businessman was going to spend lavishly on the team but 30% never meant anything even before those rules were changed. Just Twitter nonsense.


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