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oh here we go again

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Well if this scoreline stays the same then the end game is near for Arsene l am afraid.

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Doubt it. There isn't any suggestion his job is in danger. The atmosphere around the club will get nastier though. Arsenal still care about the league more than anything.

Ahh Gervinho...

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... is crap.

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Wouldn't like to be in the dressing room at half time.

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Who else is he going to play? You would have a go if he fielded a weaker team.

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true. 'go play' doesn't really help.

formation and set up of players Damien. hes hellbent to prove us all wrong, its never to going to work.

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sunderland 2-0 half time :cleader::cleader:

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He doesn't need to prove you wrong, he knows more about tactics and formations than the rest of us. Besides this should be clear evidence that the problem is deeper than the set up of the team. This team has beat Spurs, Liverpool, drew with City and got us into the knockout stages of the Champions League. We should and can beat Bradford. Part of it is Bradford are up for it but the team is so low on confidence, we need something to snap.

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Yes happy days are here again for you Dave.:)

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Who would Sunderland have gotten in to replace O'Neill? I don't rate him personally but I would be surprised to see him fired after half a season.

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of course he knows a lot its just not being utilized correctly. hes hellbent trying to build Gervinho up = fail. I'd rather have Chamakh on. He done well away at Olympiakos, not incredible still done well though.

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The things is a lot more chairman these days are trigger happy and will not hestitate to sack their manager if the heat gets too hot in the kitchen.

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finally Chamakhs on!

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I agree about Gervinho, he is using up his chances.

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he'll be off to Africa soon. i think i might have to get a fund together or something to pay someone to misplace his passport while hes out there.

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This isn't looking good.

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Seriously, is Wenger running out of time? I would think the end for him will be a non Top 4 finish this season, which on present form looks likely.

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I think it will be good for the cup to have Bradford in the next round

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To me as a outsider Arsenal were a club with a beating heart but it seems now it is having a cardiac arrest and badly needs someone to take it out of intensive care as its condition worsens.

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My Yorkshire friend will be in heaven as it stands.:)

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Having lived there for a few years, including the time of the fire, I have a soft spot for them too...

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:(:(

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This is horrible.

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This will be as it stands the greatest shock ever in the League cup.:shocked::shocked:

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Yup.

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Phew. Now keep it up Arsenal.

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TOMMY!!!!

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Its alright lads the patients heart has restarted.:)

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Gervinho really has been utterly awful. Have we used all three subs? I only remember two...

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used all 3 Damien.

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Dam, same good saves there.

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This is rubbish but at least we're still in it

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I think we'd be better off with 10 men than Gervinho making up 11

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Extra time.

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I hope Gervinho proves me wrong but is there ever less confidence when you see him on the ball?

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Bendtner.

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3-0 final score :):):) had to win tonight

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Bradford still have a sub. we should ask them if they want to trade that sub for Gervinho.

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Nah Bendtner wa better. He missed sitters but Gervinho can't even get a shot off. He is suffering from a lack of confidence and he was better at the start of last year, and even this year, but he can't keep getting chances.

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A much needed win for Sunderland and that will ease the pressure somewhat Dave.

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I agree, never rated him as a player. Although he did an average job at Sunderland on loan. Some players seem to do well with a loan spell away from Arsenal. Wilshere for example. Would a loan switch be beneficial for Gervinho?

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Gibbs is coming along though.

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confidence? he runs at defenders then falls over. they worked it out. now he just falls over. Bendtner had the best touch in football history remember.

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was a decent player but was always on wing when we had him on loan last season

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yes was a must win game tonight Den mate

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no, Gervinhos passport needs to be shredded while hes away at the African Cup of Nations.

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That's what I mean. Bendtner for all his faults has the basics down, i.e don't fall over.

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What do we reckon to the rumours that Nani is to sign for Arsenal in the New Year? Apparently he was having a medical today so the paperwork can go through on first day of window opening.

Can't see it myself.

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l think the simple fact Mark is Gervinho is simply not good enough but then again don't listen to a armchair expert like me.:)

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AGHHHHHHH

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Man Utd won't allow him to join a rival and thats a fact.:nono:

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my nan has a better first touch.

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:D

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We're doing better now but still no goal.

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Just put a £1 bet on Bradford at 10/1 to win

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she also got more assists than Downing during last seasons Sunday league

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Worth a punt if it includes pens?

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No idea, i wanted to put it on before the odds changed. If i loose i loose its only £1

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Yeah it's extra time only I think.

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I've refrained from listening to the Nani talk. Not really sure whats going on but its a bit iffy. I just hope its not some kind of Nani-Theo swap.

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I think it is now come to think about it. Oh well. Saw it and thought worth a cheeky bet after the £2 i won on the Sunderland game

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Nani's probably just agent talk. Don't see that happening at all.

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what if Theos in the deal? Fergie would love to show Wenger up again. Nani apparently wants mega bucks. Which says its all really.

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Whats this about Nani? Ive skipped a few pages in this thread

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Paper talk about him being an Arsenal target. I don't see it myself.

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and being pictured at the Arsenal training ground.

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I don't see us winning if it goes to penalties.

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That picture wasn't at the training ground.

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Will never happen

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Our crosses have been rubbish.

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So who takes our pens? We're gonna lose.

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......

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Bradford have won 8 shoot outs in a row!?!? They would have practised this a lot more as well.

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Oh well 90 mins is up, i loose £1 but oh well. Here is hoping Bradford can beat Arsenal on pens

I cant choose between the footy or Geordie Shore :(

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Thank god for Sky Go :)

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We're screwed. Bradford have no pressure and lots of confidence.

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Boo. 1 - 0

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Come on Santi!

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ffs.

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Yup we're going out.

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Well done Bradford

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:bsmack:

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Well done Bradford. Horrible night to be an Arsenal fan. Biggest League Cup upset ever.

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Who do they play in the Semis?

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Wow...i saw the result and thought it would be Arsenals second team or youngsters...ermm....

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I really miss BBking :D

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the loss in the final was a bigger upset Damien. tonight was just more of the same of this decline.

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In other non arsenal are **** news...

This made me laugh from Paddy - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ed-winner.html

He is right, who are these idiots saying the United players incited fans to throw coins at them? Players deserve to celebrate any goal, the idea that they shouldn't is ridiculous and pathetic. These fans just need to learn to control themselves, instead of turning into animals as soon as something goes against them. I don't see how they were provoked into throwing coins when they were throwing them during the match at corners and throw ins anyway.

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defending ****? well done. ive been annoyed all day hearing 'bring in nets' crap. their going to ruin our game!!

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There not a rival to utd and there's talk of it being a swop deal for Theo

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Now now less of that oh great one.:D

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Last night was easily a bigger upset. A league 2 team against a Premiership team? I know the atmosphere around Arsenal is depressing and negative but we've not declined to the status of a league 2 team.

However the final hurt a lot more because we weren't expecting it whilst tonight was a continuation of a bad few months and obviously losing a final is always worse.

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I really hope we're getting a striker and a defensive midfielder, also maybe then Zaha from Palace too. I don't give a flying toss about Walcott either, inconsistent run of form and like Nasri before him he chooses to suddenly apply himself when his contract is nearing an end. Fed up with it. We have Chamberlain and maybe then Zaha so we don't need Walcott at £100,000 a week. Utterly absurd. Wenger is right not to let him use the club as another platform to move onto more money elsewhere.

It also bothers me their constant excuses. Last season he didn't want to discuss it because he wanted to see if we're in the Champions League, then he didn't want to discuss it because he wanted to play up front, now he doesn't want t discuss it because he isn't playing. We know damn well why you don't want to discuss it, because the club isn't offering £100,000. That's normal, we would all want to be paid more, just admit it.

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Arsene Wenger not embarrassed by loss.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20689836

Well Mr Wenger l think its time for you to go if you are not embarassed by last night.

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Well I'm a Yid and think its no big shame losing on penalties, however they should have beaten Bradford long before extra time.

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Saw on SKY Sports News about 15 minutes ago that the FA and PFA have agreed that from now on any player found guilty of using racist language will be given an automatic ban for a minimum of 5 games.

About time they started clamping down on this.

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Spot on Mark.

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Well thats your view on it. I'd say something unexpected was a bigger upset to something thats come about due to a decline. I mean come on, how long are certain fans still going to blindly support Wenger? I'm not going to be forcefed Wengers crap anymore. Hes lost it, its as simple as that.

Fair enough players leaving is annoying me too but lets please put this into perspective. The players are leaving for a big reason! We are not competing. Our greats of yesterday, a few weeks ago on goals on Sunday Seaman was sitting on the couch saying the thing that kept players at Arsenal was that we was competing and winning. These players are jumping ship at the thought of money and competing, if we was competing then it would be different. Players would think twice even over money.

I'm not buying into its the players fault. I'm not buying into players up and leave just because of money. I'm not buying into any of this crap! The problems are simple. Our manager has caused this, nothing more nothing less. Whether or not the board have let Wenger wonder heedlessly is up in the air and probably true but lets not get away from the fact Wenger earned freedom and hes failed with it. Again! why the hell didn't he add a player or two in 08? He's continued with this crap vision of his. Look at our wage bill, players offering something, add that up. Because we're not competing on the pitch we just saw a pretty crap deal come through the door with Emirates. You may find its good but I think its poor. Our upcoming kit deal is said to be around the 20m mark, if thats true then thats poor too! I want to see Arsenal competing and with that will see our 'business' peak. Mis-bloody-management!

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hes starting to annoy me. you know hes letting the players get paid huge amounts for very little because of his own hellbent ways. its him!

Wenger comments post match via SkySports...

they done ok, they were up for it but our faults were clear to see.

we had chances to do something but failed. same ol'd hey!

defended well? ok on we go to the next line...

effort? giving everything? look there were positives but come on, that was a poor same ol'd new decline performance. so were there any problems Arsene?

so now we're getting somewhere!!! we have the quality, yes we do have a pretty decent squad, not amazing but one that should be performing better. I was shocked the guy asking the questions didn't ask Arsene what these different reasons were? has he woken up? I doubt it very much. Overall its Wengers frigging fault!

Wengers becoming a pro within his own crap. careful.

efforts? lame! the pitch was slippery and there was no space. rightttt! :nutter: make bloody space then! jeez.

actually its not. what has been a lot to take is this continued decline because of his bullcrap vision.

we played an offensive side but put square pegs in round holes. Gervinho=FAIL! Ramsey=FAIL! 100k of Pod not put upfront=FAIL! trying to replicate the movement formation of Barca, Spain = FAIL!

great, more of the same then? the odd win followed by our crap being shown up for all to see apart our trusty manager whos lost. brilliant. I'm looking forward to it as always.

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But you've never supported Wenger. As long as you've been on here you've been slagging him off even when we've done well. There is a difference though between blindly supporting him and still thinking he is the best man for the job. No one is happy with the last couple of years but I, and others, want him to change the strategy and the management of the entire club to be more focused on the team.

You complain that we missed out in 2008 but the other way to look at it is the quality of the team he built on hardly any money. He has actually built three teams at Arsenal - the first double winning side, the Invincibles and the FÃ*bregas' era team. This current team is not one of them. Since that players from the FÃ*bregas era have departed (2010) we've been a bit hectic and, frankly, a mess but Wenger still got that shower to third place in the league and successively past the group stages of the Champions League. Something that is no small achievement considering Chelsea and United have both failed to do that in recent years.

So instead I want Wenger to build the forth team of his management. He has earned the right to do that, not only because of the titles he has won but how he coped under the debt of the stadium and kept us in the Champions League whilst building that third team that broke up too soon. We have the elements there, the English core of Wilshere, Chamberlain and such but now we need that process to be faster with some bigger buys more akin to the Invincible Era than the FÃ*bregas era.

The current team isn't good enough, the new owner isn't good enough, and these results are not good enough. We have two world class assets at the club: Wenger and the stadium. Let's use them to build a new team starting this transfer window.

It wasn't just me who said the Emirates deal was good. Everybody was saying it. You may think it's poor but you're, with respect, not an expert on commence. So unless you can point to similar clubs with better deals (note it's only United who've done better) then we have to take that complaint with a bit of salt.

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LOL.

Also, please expand your vocabulary beyond 'crap'. ;)

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I do support Wenger. I want him to turn it around. It hurts me as a supporter to see him decline because of his own hellbent ways yet I'm not foolish enough to blindly support him. Players don't react to his methods. There are players at Arsenal, resources that are not being utilized. You say any other manager couldn't do anything when thats not true. Do you honestly think Fergie would put up some of the crap going on at Arsenal? I doubt it very much. He'd have the players performing at the very least and if not kick them out the club.

Firstly the money was there. Wenger decided to bang out mega contracts to youth instead. Some came off but the obvious pee takers didn't. Fine nothings perfect still as a manager if you see a fault you fix it, or try or get rid of the problem and add something that will add something to the cause. Hardly any money? yeah the clubs been banking and good, we need it for the future still I don't see how adding a player or two in the region of 15mil each would ruin us. That would of got us honours, winning trophies, competitions. that then in turn brings in more revenue in various areas.

I cannot fault Wenger of reaching the CL still I'm not going to be content with that. not when we COULD and SHOULD be moving forward. I don't buy into 'what if it doesn't work'. Make it work and it'll happen. After all you yourself have already highlighted this is a manager thats built quality sides. I myself see Wenger as a manager worth 100mil spend each window so the spend required isn't as much as what other clubs spend still no sign of that extra player or two coming in. So bloody what if other players are hampered, it keeps everyone on their toes. If theres success where our game is peaking playing great stuff the players not involved will want to get involved. they will have an extra spring in their step, its natural to react that way.

he had the chance to get a brilliant title winning squad together but opted not to buy the 1 or 2 player(s) needed. he earned the right to freedom which hes now got but undeniably failed. CL qualification aside hes failed to utilize resources. I hope that changes and he manages to clear the crap so players can be brought in.

right firstly Stans Mr Security. Nothing more, nothing less. Arsenals seniors will not allow Arsenals way to become a thing of the past. The way the club has been run is how it will continue to be run. Stans a lucky man to be involved at Arsenal.

We also have assets in players going untouched. Please don't tell me they've given up, if that was the case then we'd be within our right to rip their contracts up. Their only playing Wengers methods.

We've said that for the past 2 years now have we not? Wengers decides hes got better ideas.

No, everybody wasn't saying it was epic. Its was ok but not great and i think you'll find people working in the City within finances were saying it wasnt all that. Arsenal could have obtained a few more quid had we been competing so its poor. please note I do not accept our current state and I don't see it as a reason to hype up deals. Yes Arsenal is a huge brand, of it is yet that very brand should be moving forward rather than sideways and backwards. Moving forward sees progression when dealing with revenue. The ball would be fully in our hands rather than businesses willing to sponsor. We'd call the shots. Businesses would happily hand over a few extra mil for their name to be printed. I take you back to 08, playing great stuff. Screw the fact we needed a player or two extra, focus on the football played. That got great attention. Thats the sort of thing businesses are looking to sponsor. 'did you see Arsenal play last night, they play some brilliant stuff, all that pass and movement its like playing Fifa' etc. Viewers then take note of every little thing connected to Arsenal which of course includes sponsor names.

its the sort of crap that bores the crap out of crap.

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nice choice of picture on Arsenal.com

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2012/12/21.jpg

THE TLAS STAND!

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Stewart Robson lays into Arsene Wenger, calling him a dictator

http://www.skysports.com/video/inlin...328437,00.html

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You have to remember ex players will always have their say thenry so l suspect its water off a camel's back for Arsene,

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sorry I don't understand?

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He's heard it all before from other ex players so basically he will close his ears to any criticism from them.

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Robson has always been gunning for Wenger. He has a massive chip on his shoulder for whatever reason.

Even when he was on Arsenal TV he would never let it go and eventually they let him go so he went to TalkSpite and hence then he is a rent-a-quote whenever they want to wind up Arsenal fans.

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a few others have too having been shafted.

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Wenger never even dealt with the man, he left Arsenal long before that. Probably just bitter his management career ending after one year, cos he was rubbish, and like most failed managers he became a pundit.

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may be, i dont know and i dont care. truth is he did say some things we already know.

Oh by the way our VP Lady Nina tweeted Gervinhos a flop last night then deleted it.

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This was meant to be weeks ago wasn't it? If it's the one from Robson who had a unnamed source or is it a different one? If it's the old one and they've held it back to run a 'disaster' series then it's a joke.

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bit of both i think AND more sources, named/unnamed. its basically a build up i think

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We'll see what they come up with. The timing is too suspicious so I suspect they are, at least, timing their headlines for maximum effect. We need Arsenal to win and Chelsea to lose at the weekend so that they become the press' crisis club for the week.

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I don't care. I'm tired of Wengers bull vision. Anyway Chelsea are away at the World Club Cup are they not?