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Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal will all have to rely on the lottery of knockout competitions for their success from now on. |
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Lots of money and 4th. Man U have... A league cup, a big cut in income and 2nd. I know which i would rather have had from a season. |
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I agree to disagree if everyone else does! Anyway, i am off to play Oblivion rather than go to bed now! Tra peeps! |
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Arsenal have got a lot of money from the run which will have eased Arsenals debt worrys quite a lot. Especially since we have the new ground. Money wise Arsenal have done good this season.
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It would have been a profitible year for Arsenal which is a nice start to the new stadium which was expensive but will bring increase revenues. ---------- Post added at 00:15 ---------- Previous post was at 00:13 ---------- Quote:
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Well we've won more trophies than any of you lot, so swivel on that! (joke). 18 leagues, 5 European Cups... and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Night :)
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Anyway I'm off to bed but, here's a question, If Walcott is be taken to the world cup to be a surpise player and someone who can come off the bench to make a difference, why was he at the England training camp and not in the Arsenal squad for the final?
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A success because we came second with a team which wasn't put together by a man determined to buy the title. As we can all see, had Chelsea not been taken over by the Russian, we'd have our title back. Arsenal's spluttering season came to a flatulent end around January and saw them finish 4th, way behind the top 3. ---------- Post added at 00:33 ---------- Previous post was at 00:31 ---------- Quote:
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Russ - I seriously doubt if Man U had finished 4th and reached (lost) the CL final, and Arsenal had come 2nd and won the League Cup, you'd be saying you'd had a worse season than them.
It depends what the achievement is defined as. Yes Chelsea have bought the title but the investment is short term and the longer term investments Utd made in say the Academy have been made too by Chelsea, and Chelsea's side was built over a shorter time period than Utd's (took SAF 4 yrs to win anything, and 7 to win the league). If you define 2nd in the PL (which no-one other than Chelsea was going to win), winning the League Cup, and losing in the group stages of the CL as better than 4th in the PL, and losing in the final of the CL - then fair enough but I'd say it takes more of a team to knock out Real Madrid, and Villarreal, and go through most of the campaign without even conceding; than winning the tinpot Cup. (Which incidentally, if Forest were to get close to, then I'd be OTM but it's all relative!) I hate ManU granted, but if the roles were reversed, and ManU and Arsenal's seasons swapped, I'd still say ManU had achieved more (ie, in the current situation, I'd say Arsenal have had the better season). ---------- Post added at 00:45 ---------- Previous post was at 00:45 ---------- And for the record, I was cheering for Barca tonight. |
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Incidentally, I support Ajax. Four time winners, but cr@p in recent years ;) |
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I cheered for arsenal since they were the english team and did feel for them in the end.
Regarding the ref, I wasnt concentrating on him until near the end as gray was going on about it so much. I noticed when arsenal goal kick got delayed for the barca yellow card, the ref stopped play for almost 30 seconds and only added 10 to the stoppage time which was very bad refereeing since barca benefited for a foul they did. Obviously if defenders were hacking away at henry with what would normally be fouls and it stops him finding space and running in on goal it is relevant but given that for all I know the arsenal players were probably doing the same to ronaldinho who also had a poor game. Barca were poor but I think they deserved the win, arsenal did well for a team with 10 men. Pires looks likely to go now I think, henry may well go as the only thing arsenel have to lure him is the new stadium. They are in the CL next season but of course barca have auto qualified and have a nice stadium themselves, however given his outburst when he slagged of eto and ronaldinho that didnt sound like someone who is going to be their team mate next season. League cup I think deserves more respect, its a cup and a major cup but obviously means less then the fa cup. However I do agree in comparison it can be argued arsenal have had the better season, they made more money, reached the CL final and had the pleasure of nipping spurs for 4th making their rivals season end on a sour note. |
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Gray does my nut in! If there is something in the game that annoys him he doesn't shut up about it. I was nearly tempted to switch to ITV but then I remembered they had Pleat. ---------- Post added at 10:07 ---------- Previous post was at 10:04 ---------- Quote:
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have to say i think the best team won on the night
for the first 15 mins Arsenal were better but then when Barca got going they beat the offside trap.. the last man took down a player in a certain goal scoring opportunity and so had to be sent off.. as the ball fell to a barca player the ref should have played advantage and the goal should of stood then he should have sent lehman off afterwards saw the sickening sight of Barca players going up to the ref asking for lehman to be carded and that should be stamped out.. if players get booked fo taking their shirt off after scoring why not stamp that out ?? Eboue was lucky not be sent off has he dived to win a free kick and that should have been his second booking. not only was he not touched but he also went down screaming in pain.. the linesman didn't flag but the ref gave it so think it is harsh to say the ref was against Arsenal the barca players dived too but they didn't profit from it like Arsenal did..UEFA need to do something to stamp this out as for 75 mins the game was going to be won by a free kick from a dive and that is wrong Saw the game on Sky and Andy Gray really got on my nerves he was so biased to Arsenal it was untrue.. he might as well of just said i'm in love with AW and have done with it.. in the prem he would have said Lehman should have gone but because he was being so biased he changed his mind this time every since football was invented players have been kicked.. it's part of the game and it's only now that the over paid prima donnas want to roll out on the floor all the time when they aren't even touched.. just get on with and earn you 100K a week rather than moaning |
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what bout this.. awwww http://www.avforums.com/forums/attac...6&d=1147950495
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That would have been better but then thats football.
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u would have thought this ref would have more sense than to come out with a comment like that it will only make things worse
shame he didn't say Eboue should have got a second yellow for diving and it wasn't a free kick ---------- Post added at 15:34 ---------- Previous post was at 14:41 ---------- saw on Sky News at lunch there are signs all over Highbury warming of road closures and traffic problems due to some parade that was meant to be happening :D |
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think Henry is making a mistake.. abit like Gerrard the other year.. Arsenal won't get to the final again with those players and can't see them repeating that run.. they won't win the league either, although neither will liverpool or Man u.. and the most he will get is the odd league cup or fa cup
if he went to Barca that team could win the league and europe a few more times the same has happened to gerrard he is the only world class player at liverpool as is Henry at Arsenal and they both win games on their own and out of nothing but that isn't enough to win yuo a league.. it can give you the odd good cup run as shown this year by both teams but that is about it |
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For the sake of British football let's hope this is a mistake....
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A great player, at a great club, with a great new stadium. :D Come on ARSENAL! :D |
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Emirates Stadium is looking pretty good. Still not as big as Old Trafford though ;)
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they done a better job the ones doing that :D although it's good for you Henry will stay just look at England they are built around Rooney and now he is out we can't win anything, not that we had much chance with him anyway same thing with Henry without him Arsenal can win the odd match but not a tourney or league.. if he went to Barca even without him they can still win the league and dominate Europe.. if i was him i know where i'd rather go |
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We have plenty of good players still in the side. Most of them young and upcoming. Its not a one player team
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IMHO UEFA should take away the prize money from Arsenal, all £36 m and then ban Eboue for a year imagine the shock waves that would send through football then we might get to see this diving and rolling about pretending to be injured would stop |
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henry is staying is good for the english game.
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The grass is not always greener, I admire people like him and Alan Shearer for doing it their way, there is precious little loyalty and morality left in football as it is.
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sig as me and nffc keep explaining man u have also brought their position. Difference between chelsea and man u is chelsea have spent their money in a short period of time whilst man u spent theirs over many years.
Would man u have sit 2nd without expensive players like rooney, ronaldo, saha and ferdinand. |
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I take it you are aware that Roony and Rio cost more than any Chelsea player
Plus I am sure Veron is one of yours that you wrote off as an expense |
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So when you broke the transfer record for Gary Pallister then Roy Keane, what success was the club basing that on.
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Or did we bring in a load of talented home-grown players? |
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Er yes and yes wasn't it the season after you signed Roy Keane the first time you won the league for thirty years ( I admit I am not sure as I seem to remember beating you to hand the title to Leeds can't remember the year though) and your club has continued to spend ever since.
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I'm with the Manc on this one, despite his ridiculous comments about Gerrard earlier. At least Man Utd brought players like Scholes, the ugly sisters, Giggs, etc, through the youth system (and nicked a few, a la Beckham). Chelsea have just gone out and bought whoever they want like a kid in a sweet shop. There's a massive difference between spending a lot of money over a few years (Man U, and to a lesser extent, Liverpool), than going out and spending over 200m in less than a year (Chelsea). Wow I agree with a Man U fan about something, incredible :D
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SAF brought in 'Fergie's fledglings' rather than break transfer records constantly. By the time we broke the bank again with Andy Cole, we were already established as championship material. All this came from money earned by team success. |
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But Russ:
"The Champions League was a fluke - Liverpool won't do that again for a long time. The Super Cup? I don't rate that and Liverpool won't win the league next year. You're right about the FA Cup though." Is crap mate. Whether you feel the Champions League was a fluke or not, I could say the same about Man Utd in 1999 (late 2 goals against Bayern only the tip of the iceberg). We didn't win the CL the easy way either- beating AC Milan, Juventus and Chelsea along the way.To win the Super Cup, you need to either have won the UEFA or Champions League, which makes it an important and difficult trophy to win in itself. |
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My hubcaps are fine thanks, I had far more trouble when I was at uni in Manchester to be honest :p: I know you won a treble, but I'm not talking about the other 2 trophies, you claim we were "flukey" to win the CL, but beating Juve, Chelsea, Bayer, AC Milan... "fluke" only gets you so far. |
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When Jose has acheived half of what SAF has done in the premiership THEN come back and you might have more success with that one! Did anyone see the double going to Chelsea? Twice? The treble even? edit: me and the scouse agreeing so often is NOT good for my image :D |
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What you're forgetting (or is that 'conveniently ignoring'?) is that the kids from the 90s were part of an awesome youth team which no-one has been able to replicate. They went on to create the success which paved the way for United to be able to afford Rio, Rooney, Ronaldo etc. Chelsea did not earn their success. They simply bought it. |
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I have to agree with Russ here. United did bring up a lot of youth players and it took time before Man united started to be succesful as they are now. Only then, after united started winning, did they have enough money to spend so much in the transfer market. Since which they have actually been less succesful.
United won more when they didnt spend a lot than they do now. Chelsea have gone right to the top and stayed there as a direct result of the sudden influx of money. First season, bam. Title. There was no bringing players up though the youth team or slow success. They were doing bad and now they are winning a lot. They have bought their success. It quite horrible to watch them win the league in such a way which takes the excitement away. Chelsea spend and win everyone else is in a race for secound place. I would rather United win the league than Chelsea. |
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Why just go to the teams that you think are more likely to win? Arsenal gave him his break and he has been there a long time. Maybe he wants to stay at the club and win with them. I think it would be worth a lot more to him to win at Arsenal than Barca. |
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I agree though I would rather see any team win the League other than Chelsea possibly even Spurs. |
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Cantona was the signing that got us the league title and he was only about 1 or 2 million
yes we have bought players but we used money from sponsor that we had earnt to buy them not from some russian guy with an unlimited bank account Chelsea were in debt when Roman bought them |
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Wheren't they something like a week from liquidation or something?
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i don't think it was that bad but they had debts of 80m which Roman wiped out and then the next 2 seasons they have been in debt too which Roman has wiped out each time as well as the money for the new training ground and players as well
i guess it's just a matter of the way you look at your club we say we earnt out money and used that to buy players and the chelsea fans love Roman and his money we bought big in the past and will do in the future but we trade that off with ouw youth system |
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Congrats to Hereford on gaining promotion to the football league once again, an entertaining game by all accounts, it's a pity Halifax had to lose out.
Att: 15,499 Who said that the conference football was rubbish ? Also good luck to Grimsby who play Cheltenham next weekend in the Div 2 play off's. Maybe Cambridge United will be up there next season :rofl: |
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Guys I have a plan.
This thread is for the 2005/06 season and we're at the end of it, so once all the play-offs have taken place I'll lock this one down and open another ready for the world cup. Once that's over, next season's thread will start :) |
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Sounds good to me ;) But what if people want to discuss this season at a later date ? ;)
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abramovich came before mourinho. |
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As a proud Northener I still have to say...Come on Watford:D
Beating Leeds 2-0 , as I have already said, we don't need them or their supporters in the Premiership.:p: :cool: |
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I wonder if there is any truth in this :shocked:
If it is, Chelsea will be awesome next season, even without Nistelrooy |
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Quite entertaining seeing as they had lost, just wondering what the scenes had been like if they won... it was peeing it down with rain as well :S |
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AR5ENAL F.C. END OF SEASON DINNER DANCE
Starter Egg on Face Seasoned Hash Frogs legs (past their best) Spanish Surprise (well beaten) Main course Humble Pie Chump Chops French (has) Beans Manager's Beef (not rare) Catch of the Day - big lemon Sol (gutted) NB: everything is imported, nothing is home grown. Dessert Sour Grapes (may be hard to swallow) Fruitless Tarts Raspberry Fools Hard Cheese Drinks Bitter Little Spirit French Whine Cabernet Empty 2006 Champagne - sorry none ordered STRICTLY NO DOUBLES OR TREBLES NB: drinks should be consumed from glasses as there will be no cups this year. Guest speaker: Sir Rafa - "What it's like to win the European Cup" |
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Joke -
Jose Mourinho walks into a bar and asks for a whiskey. The bartender says 'Would you like a double?' Jose replies ' what's a double?' :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: |
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been reading reports that Campbell is off to Fenerbache for 8m .. if that's true then Ruud is worth at least 12m
Palace have a press conf for 16:00 today either they will say Dowie is staying or the worst news will be him and Jordan have had another falling out, which has already been reported and Dowie is off. Without him plus loosing AJ we will be even worse off than this season |
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Anybody up for a spot of fantasy footy for the up and coming world cup ? ;)
If enough people are interested, I could set up a cableforum league :D Or Russ can use his superb modding skills, and he can do it. oops: Raise hands now people. :D |
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Dowie has left Palace
what with AJ and Aki going to and a few players getting too old things aren't looking good for next season :cry: |
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