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Downloads 18-05-2006 00:59

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Originally Posted by Russ D
Well we would have been at the top this year had Chelsea not had the Russian.

hang on, remind me once more, what did Arsenal win this year?

Where in the league did they finish?

I don't think either team have much to be that happy about, by both very high standards, it wasn't great. Until the Russian leaves, i can't see much changing.

Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal will all have to rely on the lottery of knockout competitions for their success from now on.

gazzae 18-05-2006 01:00

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Originally Posted by gruff_rhodes
Do you think they haven't worked it out so over a long period of time, it will pay off? Thats what you do when you buy a house, it's a life time commitment, not something that affects whether you can buy a TV or not just because you have 80k of debt in a mortgage. The stadium won't affect Wengers ability to wade into the transfer market at all, and the champions league run they have had will boost his ability, regardless of cost of stadium.

I believe the Arsenal board have already said that anyway.

I have no doubt they have, its been worked out on champions league football every year for 20 years. But with interest payments of £15 mill a year + the actual repayment of the loan I fail to see how they are "rolling in it".

Downloads 18-05-2006 01:02

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Originally Posted by gazzae
I have no doubt they have, its been worked out on champions league football every year for 20 years. But with interest payments of £15 mill a year + the actual repayment of the loan I fail to see how they are "rolling in it".

Comparatively speaking, before they went on a Champs League run.

Russ 18-05-2006 01:02

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Originally Posted by gruff_rhodes
I don't think either team have much to be that happy about, by both very high standards, it wasn't great. Until the Russian leaves, i can't see much changing.

Liverpool, Man U and Arsenal will all have to rely on the lottery of knockout competitions for their success from now on.

I think the answers you were looking for are "nothing" and "4th".

Downloads 18-05-2006 01:04

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Originally Posted by Russ D
I think the answers you were looking for are "nothing" and "4th".

I've already said....

Lots of money and 4th.

Man U have...

A league cup, a big cut in income and 2nd.

I know which i would rather have had from a season.

gazzae 18-05-2006 01:05

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
So that is around £500 mill less than United then

No only about £40 mill less.

Downloads 18-05-2006 01:06

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Originally Posted by gazzae
No only about £40 mill less.

I think we should all agree to disagree, circular arguments where there is no right and wrong and only opinions will go on forever!

I agree to disagree if everyone else does!

Anyway, i am off to play Oblivion rather than go to bed now!

Tra peeps!

TheDaddy 18-05-2006 01:07

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Originally Posted by Russ D
I think the answers you were looking for are "nothing" and "4th".

I can't believe you are still banging on about the League Cup, you have to get out of the mind set that it's a victory it's not, it's a joke, I would have been happy with it but that is not good enough for Man Utd, the giants of Europe are not trembling at the prospect of facing the mighty League Cup Champions.

Russ 18-05-2006 01:08

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Originally Posted by gruff_rhodes
A league cup, a big cut in income and 2nd.

Ah yes, you also missed out "automatic qualification for europe" which means less games to play, less potential for injuries, more potential for REAL european revenue etc

Damien 18-05-2006 01:10

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Arsenal have got a lot of money from the run which will have eased Arsenals debt worrys quite a lot. Especially since we have the new ground. Money wise Arsenal have done good this season.

Russ 18-05-2006 01:11

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
I can't believe you are still banging on about the League Cup, you have to get out of the mind set that it's a victory it's not, it's a joke,

United went to the Millenium Stadium and won a trophy. It might have been a mickey mouse trophy but did Arsenal do the same?

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
the giants of Europe are not trembling at the prospect of facing the mighty League Cup Champions.

Possibly not. But they might be apprehensive at facing the team who came second in the Premiership.

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Originally Posted by Damien
Arsenal have got a lot of money from the run which will have eased Arsenals debt worrys quite a lot. Especially since we have the new ground. Money wise Arsenal have done good this season.

I suppose "money-wise" is a decent second to "Trophy-wise" or "success-wise".

Damien 18-05-2006 01:15

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Originally Posted by Russ D
Ah yes, you also missed out "automatic qualification for europe" which means less games to play, less potential for injuries, more potential for REAL european revenue etc

If Arsenal get in, which is likely given the seeding Arsenal will get, then this wont become much of a issue anyway.

No doubt Arsenal need the champions league next season however.

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I suppose "money-wise" is a decent second to "Trophy-wise" or "success-wise".
Well I never claimed it was achivement of the year, Just backing up the fact that Arsenals champions league run and last day taking of the 4th spot mean that Arsenal did take something out of a very bad season.

It would have been a profitible year for Arsenal which is a nice start to the new stadium which was expensive but will bring increase revenues.

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Possibly not. But they might be apprehensive at facing the team who came second in the Premiership.
As will they at the prospect of facing the Champions league runners up. Arsenal did well in europe this year, a marked improvement over previous years.

smicer07 18-05-2006 01:15

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Well we've won more trophies than any of you lot, so swivel on that! (joke). 18 leagues, 5 European Cups... and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Night :)

TheDaddy 18-05-2006 01:15

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Originally Posted by Russ D
United went to the Millenium Stadium and won a trophy. It might have been a mickey mouse trophy but did Arsenal do the same?



Possibly not. But they might be apprehensive at facing the team who came second in the Premiership.

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I suppose "money-wise" is a decent second to "Trophy-wise" or "success-wise".

You beat Wigan, well done.

Russ 18-05-2006 01:18

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Originally Posted by Damien
If Arsenal get in, which is likely given the seeding Arsenal will get, then this wont become much of a issue anyway.

You sure? Without Henri, Pires etc?

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Originally Posted by Thedaddy
You beat Wigan, well done.

Yes, we won a major (albeit on the lower end of the scale) trophy and came second. Still, think of all the sell-out matches you'll get at the new stadium.

Actually, let me re-think that phrase "sell-out"....

Damien 18-05-2006 01:21

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You sure? Without Henri, Pires etc?
Cole and Pires we can lose without much effect. Hopefully Henry will not go because that would be a blow but Arsenal have lost many good players before and Wenger has shown a knack for finding young talent.

Russ 18-05-2006 01:23

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Originally Posted by Damien
Cole and Pires we can lose without much effect. Hopefully Henry will not go because that would be a blow but Arsenal have lost many good players before and Wenger has shown a knack for finding young talent.

You mean Jermain Pennant?

TheDaddy 18-05-2006 01:25

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Originally Posted by Russ D
You sure? Without Henri, Pires etc?



Yes, we won a major (albeit on the lower end of the scale) trophy and came second.

Russ I am really starting to worry now, that this melancholy is spreading through out the League, how can anyone hope to challange Chelsea if Man Utd's season is classed as a success, if this is the case you will all have given up and be playing for second before a ball is kicked.

gazzae 18-05-2006 01:28

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Anyway I'm off to bed but, here's a question, If Walcott is be taken to the world cup to be a surpise player and someone who can come off the bench to make a difference, why was he at the England training camp and not in the Arsenal squad for the final?

TheDaddy 18-05-2006 01:30

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Originally Posted by Russ D
You mean Jermain Pennant?

No I think he means Sebastian Veron £26,000 ,000 wasn't it

Russ 18-05-2006 01:33

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Russ I am really starting to worry now, that this melancholy is spreading through out the League, how can anyone hope to challange Chelsea if Man Utd's season is classed as a success, if this is the case you will all have given up and be playing for second before a ball is kicked.

You worry far too easily!!!!

A success because we came second with a team which wasn't put together by a man determined to buy the title. As we can all see, had Chelsea not been taken over by the Russian, we'd have our title back.

Arsenal's spluttering season came to a flatulent end around January and saw them finish 4th, way behind the top 3.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
No I think he means Sebastian Veron £26,000 ,000 wasn't it

Ok I thought you were an Arsenal fan? Did you not know Veron never played for the @rse?

TheDaddy 18-05-2006 01:40

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Originally Posted by Russ D
You worry far too easily!!!!

A success because we came second with a team which wasn't put together by a man determined to buy the title. As we can all see, had Chelsea not been taken over by the Russian, we'd have our title back.

Arsenal's spluttering season came to a flatulent end around January and saw them finish 4th, way behind the top 3.

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Ok I thought you were an Arsenal fan? Did you not know Veron never played for the @rse?

Not an Arsenal fan, Wenger fan yes, Arsenal no. I was mearly stating that everyone is capable of the odd rickett in the transfer market which neatly brings me on to Chelsea, it looks to me like Uncle Festa has taken control of the transfer activities, that should concern the top clubs as that is the one area where Mouriniho has let himself down.

nffc 18-05-2006 01:45

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Russ - I seriously doubt if Man U had finished 4th and reached (lost) the CL final, and Arsenal had come 2nd and won the League Cup, you'd be saying you'd had a worse season than them.

It depends what the achievement is defined as. Yes Chelsea have bought the title but the investment is short term and the longer term investments Utd made in say the Academy have been made too by Chelsea, and Chelsea's side was built over a shorter time period than Utd's (took SAF 4 yrs to win anything, and 7 to win the league). If you define 2nd in the PL (which no-one other than Chelsea was going to win), winning the League Cup, and losing in the group stages of the CL as better than 4th in the PL, and losing in the final of the CL - then fair enough but I'd say it takes more of a team to knock out Real Madrid, and Villarreal, and go through most of the campaign without even conceding; than winning the tinpot Cup. (Which incidentally, if Forest were to get close to, then I'd be OTM but it's all relative!)

I hate ManU granted, but if the roles were reversed, and ManU and Arsenal's seasons swapped, I'd still say ManU had achieved more (ie, in the current situation, I'd say Arsenal have had the better season).

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And for the record, I was cheering for Barca tonight.

danielf 18-05-2006 01:57

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Originally Posted by nffc
<snip> If you define 2nd in the PL (which no-one other than Chelsea was going to win), winning the League Cup, and losing in the group stages of the CL as better than 4th in the PL, and losing in the final of the CL - then fair enough but I'd say it takes more of a team to knock out Real Madrid, and Villarreal, and go through most of the campaign without even conceding; than winning the tinpot Cup. <snip>

Exactly. Arsenal don't have a trophy, but getting to the CL final is a major achievement for any team (which beats winning the league cup imo).

Incidentally, I support Ajax. Four time winners, but cr@p in recent years ;)

Chrysalis 18-05-2006 05:09

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I cheered for arsenal since they were the english team and did feel for them in the end.

Regarding the ref, I wasnt concentrating on him until near the end as gray was going on about it so much.

I noticed when arsenal goal kick got delayed for the barca yellow card, the ref stopped play for almost 30 seconds and only added 10 to the stoppage time which was very bad refereeing since barca benefited for a foul they did.

Obviously if defenders were hacking away at henry with what would normally be fouls and it stops him finding space and running in on goal it is relevant but given that for all I know the arsenal players were probably doing the same to ronaldinho who also had a poor game.

Barca were poor but I think they deserved the win, arsenal did well for a team with 10 men.

Pires looks likely to go now I think, henry may well go as the only thing arsenel have to lure him is the new stadium. They are in the CL next season but of course barca have auto qualified and have a nice stadium themselves, however given his outburst when he slagged of eto and ronaldinho that didnt sound like someone who is going to be their team mate next season.

League cup I think deserves more respect, its a cup and a major cup but obviously means less then the fa cup. However I do agree in comparison it can be argued arsenal have had the better season, they made more money, reached the CL final and had the pleasure of nipping spurs for 4th making their rivals season end on a sour note.

gazzae 18-05-2006 11:07

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
Regarding the ref, I wasnt concentrating on him until near the end as gray was going on about it so much.


Gray does my nut in! If there is something in the game that annoys him he doesn't shut up about it.

I was nearly tempted to switch to ITV but then I remembered they had Pleat.

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Man Utd to sign 'new Ronaldinho'

Manchester United are close to agreeing a £6milli on deal for young Brazilian sensation Kerlon Moura Souza.

The Reds are desperate to boost their squad in a bid to challenge Chelsea for the Premiership title next season.

According to The Times, a United delegation flew to South America this week to meet officials from the club.

And they're hopeful of signing the man dubbed "the new Ronaldinho" in the next few days.

Kerlon is understood to have caught the eye of United boss Sir Alex Ferguson while playing for Brazil in the South American Under-17 Championship in Venezuela last year.

http://www.football365.com/teams/man...y_185580.shtml

sherer 18-05-2006 11:48

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have to say i think the best team won on the night

for the first 15 mins Arsenal were better but then when Barca got going they beat the offside trap.. the last man took down a player in a certain goal scoring opportunity and so had to be sent off.. as the ball fell to a barca player the ref should have played advantage and the goal should of stood then he should have sent lehman off afterwards

saw the sickening sight of Barca players going up to the ref asking for lehman to be carded and that should be stamped out.. if players get booked fo taking their shirt off after scoring why not stamp that out ??

Eboue was lucky not be sent off has he dived to win a free kick and that should have been his second booking. not only was he not touched but he also went down screaming in pain.. the linesman didn't flag but the ref gave it so think it is harsh to say the ref was against Arsenal

the barca players dived too but they didn't profit from it like Arsenal did..UEFA need to do something to stamp this out as for 75 mins the game was going to be won by a free kick from a dive and that is wrong

Saw the game on Sky and Andy Gray really got on my nerves he was so biased to Arsenal it was untrue.. he might as well of just said i'm in love with AW and have done with it.. in the prem he would have said Lehman should have gone but because he was being so biased he changed his mind this time

every since football was invented players have been kicked.. it's part of the game and it's only now that the over paid prima donnas want to roll out on the floor all the time when they aren't even touched.. just get on with and earn you 100K a week rather than moaning

gazzae 18-05-2006 12:06

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...1&d=1147946769

akane1984 18-05-2006 13:19

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what bout this.. awwww http://www.avforums.com/forums/attac...6&d=1147950495

gazzae 18-05-2006 15:22

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Hauge: 'I Should've Waited'

Like a disappointed teenager after the first time, Terje Hauge says he wishes he'd waited. If he had, Barca would have had the goal, Mad Jens would have stayed on the pitch, Thierry might be happier and the 2-1 scoreline might have been very different...

http://www.football365.com/teams/ars...y_185604.shtml

Damien 18-05-2006 15:41

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That would have been better but then thats football.

I would have prefered 11 men and a goal to barca.

sherer 18-05-2006 16:34

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u would have thought this ref would have more sense than to come out with a comment like that it will only make things worse

shame he didn't say Eboue should have got a second yellow for diving and it wasn't a free kick

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saw on Sky News at lunch there are signs all over Highbury warming of road closures and traffic problems due to some parade that was meant to be happening :D

Damien 19-05-2006 11:45

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:D:D:D:D:D:D

Henry looks to be staying! oh yeah!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/foot...al/4996270.stm

:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Thierry Henry is set to end months of speculation over his future by signing a new contract at Arsenal, inspired by their Champions League final display.
:disturbd::disturbd::disturbd::disturbd::disturbd: :disturbd:

Oh yeah! He is S-T-A-Y-I-N-G.

Not such a bad season after all :D

sherer 19-05-2006 11:55

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think Henry is making a mistake.. abit like Gerrard the other year.. Arsenal won't get to the final again with those players and can't see them repeating that run.. they won't win the league either, although neither will liverpool or Man u.. and the most he will get is the odd league cup or fa cup

if he went to Barca that team could win the league and europe a few more times

the same has happened to gerrard he is the only world class player at liverpool as is Henry at Arsenal and they both win games on their own and out of nothing but that isn't enough to win yuo a league.. it can give you the odd good cup run as shown this year by both teams but that is about it

Russ 19-05-2006 11:55

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For the sake of British football let's hope this is a mistake....

Damien 19-05-2006 12:28

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Originally Posted by Russ D
For the sake of British football let's hope this is a mistake....

Sorry. Hes a great player and he is staying at Arsenal.

A great player, at a great club, with a great new stadium. :D

Come on ARSENAL! :D

gazzae 19-05-2006 12:34

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Emirates Stadium is looking pretty good. Still not as big as Old Trafford though ;)

Damien 19-05-2006 12:41

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Originally Posted by gazzae
Emirates Stadium is looking pretty good. Still not as big as Old Trafford though ;)

That is true :( I hate the name Emirates as well.

But the stadium is nice!

sherer 19-05-2006 12:48

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Originally Posted by Damien
That is true :( I hate the name Emirates as well.

But the stadium is nice!

do you think they can get the builders to head down to Wembley

they done a better job the ones doing that :D

although it's good for you Henry will stay just look at England they are built around Rooney and now he is out we can't win anything, not that we had much chance with him anyway

same thing with Henry without him Arsenal can win the odd match but not a tourney or league.. if he went to Barca even without him they can still win the league and dominate Europe.. if i was him i know where i'd rather go

Damien 19-05-2006 12:51

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We have plenty of good players still in the side. Most of them young and upcoming. Its not a one player team

gazzae 19-05-2006 15:06

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Cheat Drogba To Leave Because Of 'Cheat' Taunts

Didier Drogba wants to quit Chelsea and leave the Premiership behind because he is sick of being labelled a cheat.

The Ivory Coast striker, who is going to the World Cup this summer, has been involved in a number of incidents in the last couple of seasons which has led to him being labelled a diver.

Now the 28-year-old, a £24mill ion signing from Marseille two seasons ago, has had enough. "It's not a joke. I want to move on and avoid all the pressure and scandals here," he told The Sun

http://www.football365.com/news/story_185657.shtml
Surely the simplest solution is don't cheat?

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Originally Posted by sherer
saw on Sky News at lunch there are signs all over Highbury warming of road closures and traffic problems due to some parade that was meant to be happening :D

:D
http://www.football365.com/mediastor...nal_parade.jpg

What goes Beep, Beep, Beep, Beep, Beep, Beep?

Arsenal's open top bus reversing back into the garage.

sherer 19-05-2006 15:50

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Originally Posted by gazzae
Surely the simplest solution is don't cheat?

tell that to Eboue he nearly won the European Cup through cheating and that seems to have been washed under the carpet

IMHO UEFA should take away the prize money from Arsenal, all £36 m and then ban Eboue for a year

imagine the shock waves that would send through football then we might get to see this diving and rolling about pretending to be injured would stop

Russ 19-05-2006 20:47

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Originally Posted by gazzae
Emirates Stadium is looking pretty good. Still not as big as Old Trafford though ;)

And neither will they fill it :D

Chrysalis 20-05-2006 00:14

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henry is staying is good for the english game.

iadom 20-05-2006 00:21

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
henry is staying is good for the english game.

Yep, one less place for an English player. :rolleyes: :)

Russ 20-05-2006 00:27

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
henry is staying is good for the english game.

As someone said earlier, just like Gerard at Liverpool, what's he going to win with Arsenal? United proved they would have won the title had Chelsea not bought it again so success is more likely there, but Henry is hardly likely to get a fulfilled end to his career with the @rse.

TheDaddy 20-05-2006 00:30

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The grass is not always greener, I admire people like him and Alan Shearer for doing it their way, there is precious little loyalty and morality left in football as it is.

smicer07 20-05-2006 00:36

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Originally Posted by Russ D
As someone said earlier, just like Gerard at Liverpool, what's he going to win with Arsenal? United proved they would have won the title had Chelsea not bought it again so success is more likely there, but Henry is hardly likely to get a fulfilled end to his career with the @rse.

Erm Gerrard won the Champions League, FA Cup and Super Cup with Liverpool, and has a decent chance of winning the league with us next season. If he'd gone to Chelsea he'd have bought the league, great, but it's going to be so much sweeter for him to do it at his home town club.

Chrysalis 20-05-2006 00:41

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sig as me and nffc keep explaining man u have also brought their position. Difference between chelsea and man u is chelsea have spent their money in a short period of time whilst man u spent theirs over many years.

Would man u have sit 2nd without expensive players like rooney, ronaldo, saha and ferdinand.

TheDaddy 20-05-2006 00:41

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Originally Posted by Russ D
As someone said earlier, just like Gerard at Liverpool, what's he going to win with Arsenal? United proved they would have won the title had Chelsea not bought it again so success is more likely there, but Henry is hardly likely to get a fulfilled end to his career with the @rse.

I love the way you keep saying that United would have won the league if Chelsea hadn't, its like me saying we would have won the FA cup if Liverpool hadn't.

Russ 20-05-2006 00:47

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Originally Posted by smicer07
Erm Gerrard won the Champions League, FA Cup and Super Cup with Liverpool, and has a decent chance of winning the league with us next season. If he'd gone to Chelsea he'd have bought the league, great, but it's going to be so much sweeter for him to do it at his home town club.

The Champions League was a fluke - Liverpool won't do that again for a long time. The Super Cup? I don't rate that and Liverpool won't win the league next year. You're right about the FA Cup though.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
sig as me and nffc keep explaining man u have also brought their position. Difference between chelsea and man u is chelsea have spent their money in a short period of time whilst man u spent theirs over many years.

And we used home-grown players. Plus we didn't buy instant success.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
I love the way you keep saying that United would have won the league if Chelsea hadn't, its like me saying we would have won the FA cup if Liverpool hadn't.

Yes, but it's not quite what I'm saying though is it? Chelsea bought their success, they didn't fight for it over a number of years, they just brought in a sugar daddy, offered a top manager an unlimited transfer pot and bought top players (and discarded the ones who didn't work, like Wright-Phillips, Veron etc and wrote them off as 'expenses') whereas United did exactly the same as what we've been doing for years.

TheDaddy 20-05-2006 00:51

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I take it you are aware that Roony and Rio cost more than any Chelsea player

Plus I am sure Veron is one of yours that you wrote off as an expense

Russ 20-05-2006 00:52

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
I take it you are aware that Roony and Rio cost more than any Chelsea player

Yes, bought with money earned from success on the pitch, not from an oil rig.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Plus I am sure Veron is one of yours that you wrote off as an expense

How long was he at Chelsea for before they offloaded him?

TheDaddy 20-05-2006 00:54

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So when you broke the transfer record for Gary Pallister then Roy Keane, what success was the club basing that on.

Russ 20-05-2006 00:58

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
So when you broke the transfer record for Gary Pallister then Roy Keane, what success was the club basing that on.

Did it buy us instant success? Did we continue to make large purchases to keep on buying success?

Or did we bring in a load of talented home-grown players?

TheDaddy 20-05-2006 01:04

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Er yes and yes wasn't it the season after you signed Roy Keane the first time you won the league for thirty years ( I admit I am not sure as I seem to remember beating you to hand the title to Leeds can't remember the year though) and your club has continued to spend ever since.

smicer07 20-05-2006 01:07

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I'm with the Manc on this one, despite his ridiculous comments about Gerrard earlier. At least Man Utd brought players like Scholes, the ugly sisters, Giggs, etc, through the youth system (and nicked a few, a la Beckham). Chelsea have just gone out and bought whoever they want like a kid in a sweet shop. There's a massive difference between spending a lot of money over a few years (Man U, and to a lesser extent, Liverpool), than going out and spending over 200m in less than a year (Chelsea). Wow I agree with a Man U fan about something, incredible :D

Russ 20-05-2006 01:08

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Er yes and yes wasn't it the season after you signed Roy Keane the first time you won the league for thirty years ( I admit I am not sure as I seem to remember beating you to hand the title to Leeds can't remember the year though) and your club has continued to spend ever since.

One player won't win a team the title, I thought you'd have known at least that. And don't forget the season before that we came second so we already had about the same level of success.

SAF brought in 'Fergie's fledglings' rather than break transfer records constantly. By the time we broke the bank again with Andy Cole, we were already established as championship material.

All this came from money earned by team success.

smicer07 20-05-2006 01:09

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But Russ:

"The Champions League was a fluke - Liverpool won't do that again for a long time. The Super Cup? I don't rate that and Liverpool won't win the league next year. You're right about the FA Cup though."

Is crap mate. Whether you feel the Champions League was a fluke or not, I could say the same about Man Utd in 1999 (late 2 goals against Bayern only the tip of the iceberg). We didn't win the CL the easy way either- beating AC Milan, Juventus and Chelsea along the way.To win the Super Cup, you need to either have won the UEFA or Champions League, which makes it an important and difficult trophy to win in itself.

Russ 20-05-2006 01:11

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Originally Posted by smicer07
Wow I agree with a Man U fan about something, incredible :D


I'll send you a set of hubcaps as a reward :D

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Originally Posted by smicer07
I could say the same about Man Utd in 1999 (late 2 goals against Bayern only the tip of the iceberg).

You might be right, but don't forget we took the treble that year.

smicer07 20-05-2006 01:13

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Originally Posted by Russ D
I'll send you a set of hubcaps as a reward :D

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You might be right, but don't forget we took the treble that year.


My hubcaps are fine thanks, I had far more trouble when I was at uni in Manchester to be honest :p: I know you won a treble, but I'm not talking about the other 2 trophies, you claim we were "flukey" to win the CL, but beating Juve, Chelsea, Bayer, AC Milan... "fluke" only gets you so far.

TheDaddy 20-05-2006 01:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by smicer07
I'm with the Manc on this one, despite his ridiculous comments about Gerrard earlier. At least Man Utd brought players like Scholes, the ugly sisters, Giggs, etc, through the youth system (and nicked a few, a la Beckham). Chelsea have just gone out and bought whoever they want like a kid in a sweet shop. There's a massive difference between spending a lot of money over a few years (Man U, and to a lesser extent, Liverpool), than going out and spending over 200m in less than a year (Chelsea). Wow I agree with a Man U fan about something, incredible :D

Come on who has come throught their youth system in the last ten years, O'Shea who they keep trying to sell, Brown who is always injured and Fletcher who they don't like and whilst I agree that the money Chelsea spend is crass I feel there is more than a little of a pot calling kettle black situation going on.

Russ 20-05-2006 01:16

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Originally Posted by smicer07
My hubcaps are fine thanks, I had far more trouble when I was at uni in Manchester to be honest :p: I know you won a treble, but I'm not talking about the other 2 trophies, you claim we were "flukey" to win the CL, but beating Juve, Chelsea, Bayer, AC Milan... "fluke" only gets you so far.

But you're missing my point - Liverpool won't do that again for a good few years yet just like United. Gerrard might acheive FA Cup success occasionally but the Premiership and Champions league are honours he won't be experiencing.

smicer07 20-05-2006 01:16

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Come on who has come throught their youth system in the last ten years, O'Shea who they keep trying to sell, Brown who is always injured and Fletcher who they don't like and whilst I agree that the money Chelsea spend is crass I feel there is more than a little of a pot calling kettle black situation going on.

I'm Liverpool through and through mate, but I can't really agree with you there, sorry! Each to their own :)

Chrysalis 20-05-2006 01:17

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Originally Posted by Russ D
Did it buy us instant success? Did we continue to make large purchases to keep on buying success?

Or did we bring in a load of talented home-grown players?

no buts because your manager needed years to make the most of them, to me that makes mourinho a better manager then fergie quite simple.

smicer07 20-05-2006 01:18

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Originally Posted by Russ D
But you're missing my point - Liverpool won't do that again for a good few years yet just like United. Gerrard might acheive FA Cup success occasionally but the Premiership and Champions league are honours he won't be experiencing.

But you'd have said the same before the start of the 2005 season, and he picked up the Champions League trophy at the end of the season. Who's to say what will happen next season? Chelsea haven't even got close to winning it yet, even with all their cash, so it just goes to show you need a mixture of excellent team spirit/luck as well as quality players to win it (for the 5th time).

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Mourinho a better manager than Ferguson?? Give me a break. Come back in 10 years and then you might have some sort of comparison possible I reckon.

Russ 20-05-2006 01:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Come on who has come throught their youth system in the last ten years, O'Shea who they keep trying to sell, Brown who is always injured and Fletcher who they don't like and whilst I agree that the money Chelsea spend is crass I feel there is more than a little of a pot calling kettle black situation going on.

And I feel there's more than a degree of the usual anti-United bias going on! You can't compare United now to the team of the 90s, when the youth policy was more evident (even if you decide to 'forget' Rossi, Bardsley, Eagles, Fletcher etc who are all showing signs of becoming quality players). Our reign then was based on the younger guys alongside the experience of the old guard. Chelsea's success is based on Roman's chequebook.

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Originally Posted by Chrysalis
no buts because your manager needed years to make the most of them, to me that makes mourinho a better manager then fergie quite simple.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

When Jose has acheived half of what SAF has done in the premiership THEN come back and you might have more success with that one!

Did anyone see the double going to Chelsea? Twice? The treble even?

edit: me and the scouse agreeing so often is NOT good for my image :D

TheDaddy 20-05-2006 01:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ D
And I feel there's more than a degree of the usual anti-United bias going on! You can't compare United now to the team of the 90s, when the youth policy was more evident (even if you decide to 'forget' Rossi, Bardsley, Eagles, Fletcher etc who are all showing signs of becoming quality players). Our reign then was based on the younger guys alongside the experience of the old guard. Chelsea's success is based on Roman's chequebook.

No I gave Fletcher more of a mention than you manager does these days, the only other real prospects you have are Rossi and Richardson both of which did not come from your youth team but were stolen from other clubs.

Russ 20-05-2006 01:32

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
No I gave Fletcher more of a mention than you manager does these days, the only other real prospects you have are Rossi and Richardson both of which did not come from your youth team but were stolen from other clubs.

Hehe, Fletcher scored the goal which beat Chelsea - he'll always be popular!

What you're forgetting (or is that 'conveniently ignoring'?) is that the kids from the 90s were part of an awesome youth team which no-one has been able to replicate. They went on to create the success which paved the way for United to be able to afford Rio, Rooney, Ronaldo etc.

Chelsea did not earn their success. They simply bought it.

Damien 20-05-2006 01:42

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I have to agree with Russ here. United did bring up a lot of youth players and it took time before Man united started to be succesful as they are now. Only then, after united started winning, did they have enough money to spend so much in the transfer market. Since which they have actually been less succesful.

United won more when they didnt spend a lot than they do now.

Chelsea have gone right to the top and stayed there as a direct result of the sudden influx of money. First season, bam. Title. There was no bringing players up though the youth team or slow success. They were doing bad and now they are winning a lot.

They have bought their success. It quite horrible to watch them win the league in such a way which takes the excitement away. Chelsea spend and win everyone else is in a race for secound place.

I would rather United win the league than Chelsea.

TheDaddy 20-05-2006 01:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Russ D
Hehe, Fletcher scored the goal which beat Chelsea - he'll always be popular!

What you're forgetting (or is that 'conveniently ignoring'?) is that the kids from the 90s were part of an awesome youth team which no-one has been able to replicate. They went on to create the success which paved the way for United to be able to afford Rio, Rooney, Ronaldo etc.

Chelsea did not earn their success. They simply bought it.

I actually think our youth team was just as good

Damien 20-05-2006 01:48

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Originally Posted by Russ D
As someone said earlier, just like Gerard at Liverpool, what's he going to win with Arsenal? United proved they would have won the title had Chelsea not bought it again so success is more likely there, but Henry is hardly likely to get a fulfilled end to his career with the @rse.

Well we will see wont we. If there is one thing about football its that things happen that you may not expert. Arsenal got to the champions league final and we have a good set of players to form a possible 3rd team under Wenger since he arrived.

Why just go to the teams that you think are more likely to win? Arsenal gave him his break and he has been there a long time. Maybe he wants to stay at the club and win with them. I think it would be worth a lot more to him to win at Arsenal than Barca.

TheDaddy 20-05-2006 02:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien
I have to agree with Russ here. United did bring up a lot of youth players and it took time before Man united started to be succesful as they are now. Only then, after united started winning, did they have enough money to spend so much in the transfer market. Since which they have actually been less succesful.

United won more when they didnt spend a lot than they do now.

Chelsea have gone right to the top and stayed there as a direct result of the sudden influx of money. First season, bam. Title. There was no bringing players up though the youth team or slow success. They were doing bad and now they are winning a lot.

They have bought their success. It quite horrible to watch them win the league in such a way which takes the excitement away. Chelsea spend and win everyone else is in a race for secound place.

I would rather United win the league than Chelsea.

A lot of their success is due to Claudio Ranieri, he never gets any credit, as for them buying the title, you get what you deserve, they are not supermen nor can they buy every player, so many times last season you would see teams try to play for a draw or with their heads down at kick off already beat, that to me is what makes it boring.
I agree though I would rather see any team win the League other than Chelsea possibly even Spurs.

gazzae 20-05-2006 13:08

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy
Er yes and yes wasn't it the season after you signed Roy Keane the first time you won the league for thirty years ( I admit I am not sure as I seem to remember beating you to hand the title to Leeds can't remember the year though) and your club has continued to spend ever since.

No, Utd signed Keane in the summer of 93.

sherer 20-05-2006 13:30

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Cantona was the signing that got us the league title and he was only about 1 or 2 million

yes we have bought players but we used money from sponsor that we had earnt to buy them not from some russian guy with an unlimited bank account

Chelsea were in debt when Roman bought them

Russ 20-05-2006 13:33

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Wheren't they something like a week from liquidation or something?

sherer 20-05-2006 13:50

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i don't think it was that bad but they had debts of 80m which Roman wiped out and then the next 2 seasons they have been in debt too which Roman has wiped out each time as well as the money for the new training ground and players as well

i guess it's just a matter of the way you look at your club we say we earnt out money and used that to buy players and the chelsea fans love Roman and his money

we bought big in the past and will do in the future but we trade that off with ouw youth system

yesman 21-05-2006 00:23

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Congrats to Hereford on gaining promotion to the football league once again, an entertaining game by all accounts, it's a pity Halifax had to lose out.

Att: 15,499
Who said that the conference football was rubbish ?

Also good luck to Grimsby who play Cheltenham next weekend in the Div 2 play off's.

Maybe Cambridge United will be up there next season :rofl:

Russ 21-05-2006 00:34

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Guys I have a plan.

This thread is for the 2005/06 season and we're at the end of it, so once all the play-offs have taken place I'll lock this one down and open another ready for the world cup. Once that's over, next season's thread will start :)

Druchii 21-05-2006 00:47

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Sounds good to me ;) But what if people want to discuss this season at a later date ? ;)

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I really should stop using the wink smiley ;)

Chrysalis 21-05-2006 03:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Damien
I have to agree with Russ here. United did bring up a lot of youth players and it took time before Man united started to be succesful as they are now. Only then, after united started winning, did they have enough money to spend so much in the transfer market. Since which they have actually been less succesful.

United won more when they didnt spend a lot than they do now.

Chelsea have gone right to the top and stayed there as a direct result of the sudden influx of money. First season, bam. Title. There was no bringing players up though the youth team or slow success. They were doing bad and now they are winning a lot.

They have bought their success. It quite horrible to watch them win the league in such a way which takes the excitement away. Chelsea spend and win everyone else is in a race for secound place.

I would rather United win the league than Chelsea.

actually was second season.

abramovich came before mourinho.

Russ 21-05-2006 08:56

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Originally Posted by Druchii
Sounds good to me ;) But what if people want to discuss this season at a later date ? ;)

They can do it in the new thread!

Druchii 21-05-2006 14:45

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Originally Posted by Russ D
They can do it in the new thread!

Oh ok :PP:

:angel:

iadom 21-05-2006 17:25

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As a proud Northener I still have to say...Come on Watford:D

Beating Leeds 2-0 , as I have already said, we don't need them or their supporters in the Premiership.:p: :cool:

Timeless Stew 21-05-2006 17:52

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Originally Posted by iadom
As a proud Northener I still have to say...Come on Watford:D

Beating Leeds 2-0 , as I have already said, we don't need them or their supporters in the Premiership.:p: :cool:

Don't you miss the acidic tongue of the old git(Ken Bates)?

iadom 21-05-2006 19:55

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Originally Posted by Timeless Stew
Don't you miss the acidic tongue of the old git(Ken Bates)?

Not at all, Captain Birds Eye did bugger all for Oldham Athletic when he was chairman.

yesman 21-05-2006 20:00

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I wonder if there is any truth in this :shocked:

If it is, Chelsea will be awesome next season, even without Nistelrooy

Russ 21-05-2006 20:01

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Can't see it myself....

nffc 21-05-2006 22:03

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Originally Posted by iadom
As a proud Northener I still have to say...Come on Watford:D

Beating Leeds 2-0 , as I have already said, we don't need them or their supporters in the Premiership.:p: :cool:

I was actually in leeds during the game. Found a nice quiet pub to sit and have a drink without laughing at scummy losing... at the end about 200 leeds chavs came in, singing chants, just like a football ground really.

Quite entertaining seeing as they had lost, just wondering what the scenes had been like if they won... it was peeing it down with rain as well :S

iadom 22-05-2006 10:46

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AR5ENAL F.C. END OF SEASON DINNER DANCE


Starter
Egg on Face
Seasoned Hash
Frogs legs (past their best)
Spanish Surprise (well beaten)


Main course
Humble Pie
Chump Chops
French (has) Beans
Manager's Beef (not rare)
Catch of the Day - big lemon Sol (gutted)
NB: everything is imported, nothing is home grown.


Dessert
Sour Grapes (may be hard to swallow)
Fruitless Tarts
Raspberry Fools
Hard Cheese


Drinks
Bitter
Little Spirit
French Whine
Cabernet Empty 2006
Champagne - sorry none ordered
STRICTLY NO DOUBLES OR TREBLES


NB: drinks should be consumed from glasses as there will be no cups this
year.


Guest speaker:
Sir Rafa - "What it's like to win the European Cup"

Russ 22-05-2006 11:04

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:D

Post of the year!

bopdude 22-05-2006 12:46

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Originally Posted by Russ D
:D

Post of the year!

Agreed, :rofl: lmfao

orangebird 22-05-2006 12:54

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Joke -

Jose Mourinho walks into a bar and asks for a whiskey. The bartender says 'Would you like a double?'

Jose replies ' what's a double?'

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

sherer 22-05-2006 13:10

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been reading reports that Campbell is off to Fenerbache for 8m .. if that's true then Ruud is worth at least 12m

Palace have a press conf for 16:00 today either they will say Dowie is staying or the worst news will be him and Jordan have had another falling out, which has already been reported and Dowie is off. Without him plus loosing AJ we will be even worse off than this season

Neil 22-05-2006 13:10

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https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2006/05/23.jpg

pedantic 22-05-2006 14:38

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Anybody up for a spot of fantasy footy for the up and coming world cup ? ;)

If enough people are interested, I could set up a cableforum league :D

Or Russ can use his superb modding skills, and he can do it. oops:

Raise hands now people. :D

TheDaddy 22-05-2006 14:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pedantic
Anybody up for a spot of fantasy footy for the up and coming world cup ? ;)

If enough people are interested, I could set up a cableforum league :D

Or Russ can use his superb modding skills, and he can do it. oops:

Raise hands now people. :D

:tu:

STONEISLAND 22-05-2006 14:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pedantic
Anybody up for a spot of fantasy footy for the up and coming world cup ? ;)

If enough people are interested, I could set up a cableforum league :D

Or Russ can use his superb modding skills, and he can do it. oops:

Raise hands now people. :D


Possibly :tu:

sherer 22-05-2006 17:10

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Dowie has left Palace

what with AJ and Aki going to and a few players getting too old things aren't looking good for next season :cry:

gazzae 22-05-2006 17:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sherer
Palace have a press conf for 16:00 today either they will say Dowie is staying or the worst news will be him and Jordan have had another falling out, which has already been reported and Dowie is off. Without him plus loosing AJ we will be even worse off than this season

He's off..

http://www.sportinglife.com/story_ge...ER_Palace.html


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