Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

If they were going to turn up with the same attitude, they simply could have said so, on fishing and their notion of "level playing field".
On fishing they could've simply said "yes, you control UK waters, but can we come to an understanding on quotas". They haven't, so nothing doing as far as "negotiations" are concerned. Fishing shouldn't be a pre-condition for everything else. Just crazy on the EU's part.

jfman

21-10-2020 21:16

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Need to wait and see if Sleepy Joe or Covidiot Don wins. No friends in the world if it’s the former.

Sephiroth

21-10-2020 22:02

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36054614)

Need to wait and see if Sleepy Joe or Covidiot Don wins. No friends in the world if it’s the former.

I'm not so sure you're right there. In fact I'm certain you're wrong given this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_t...United_Kingdom

You are capable of better arguments than you've just made.

Hugh	21-10-2020 22:04

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36054618)

I'm not so sure you're right there. In fact I'm certain you're wrong given this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_t...United_Kingdom

You are capable of better arguments than you've just made.

First line on that link...

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This article possibly contains unsourced predictions, speculative material, or accounts of events that might not occur. Information must be verifiable and based on reliable published sources.

Please help improve it by removing unsourced speculative content.
(October 2020)

And you may have missed this from before.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/17/brex...t-for-gfa.html

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"We can’t allow the Good Friday Agreement that brought peace to Northern Ireland to become a casualty of Brexit,” Biden said on Twitter late Wednesday.

The U.K. agreed with the European Union at the end of 2019, as part of its departure from the bloc, that state aid granted to Northern Ireland which would impact trade with the EU would need approval from Brussels. This commitment, which was translated into law in January, aimed to prevent a harder border between Northern Ireland (a member of the U.K.) and the Republic of Ireland (a member of the EU) and respected the Good Friday Agreement — a U.S. brokered deal that brought peace between both parts of the island in the late 1990s.

The bill — called the Internal Market Bill — would also potentially change requirements that Northern Irish firms complete export summary declarations when shipping goods to the mainland.

“Any trade deal between the U.S. and U.K. must be contingent upon respect for the Agreement and preventing the return of a hard border. Period,” the presidential hopeful also said via Twitter, suggesting a trade deal with the United States could be at risk if Biden enters the White House.

1andrew1

21-10-2020 22:18

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36054614)

Need to wait and see if Sleepy Joe or Covidiot Don wins. No friends in the world if it’s the former.

I've little doubt that Joe Biden will be in power come November and he will be keen to sign a trade deal with one his country's key trading partners. The EU.

Sadly, back of the queue for a deal will be Britain given BoJo's affiliations to Trump via the Vote Leave campaign and the threat to the Good Friday Agreement with the Internal Marker Bill. If we're looking for a positive here, it makes the arrival of chlorinated chicken on these shores less imminent.

https://qz.com/1467877/read-the-emai...non-to-brexit/
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...el-Farage.html

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36054618)

I'm not so sure you're right there. In fact I'm certain you're wrong given this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_t...United_Kingdom

You are capable of better arguments than you've just made.

Putting aside the possible data concerns highlighted by Hugh, if correct this does largely support jfman's arguments. Of our largest export markets, the only country we have a deal with is Switzerland and BoJo has scuppered the chance of a deal anytime soon with the US by his closeness to Trump.
Therefore, striking a deal with the EU becomes ever more important with the US out of reach. Expect more rolling-over on BoJo's part!

Sephiroth

21-10-2020 22:25

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36054620)

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Putting aside the possible data concerns highlighted by Hugh, if correct this does largely support jfman's arguments. Of our largest export markets, the only country we have a deal with is Switzerland and BoJo has scuppered the chance of a deal anytime soon with the US by his closeness to Trump.
Therefore, striking a deal with the EU becomes ever more important with the US out of reach. Expect more rolling-over on BoJo's part.

I think you should ignore Hugh. He's very selective about his point and does not pay attention to the long list of countries with whom we are making progress.

A bit out of date, but as Hugh doesn't like Wikipedia when I quote it:

https://ahdb.org.uk/An-update-on-pos...it-trade-deals

Other than that, yes, striking a deal with the EU is important.

jfman

21-10-2020 22:48

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36054618)

I'm not so sure you're right there. In fact I'm certain you're wrong given this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_t...United_Kingdom

You are capable of better arguments than you've just made.

I’m somewhat exaggerating, but the prospect of no imminent deals with the USA, China or the EU who account for 56% of world GDP would leave us scraping together deals and certainly in a weakened negotiating position. With Japan, India plus a plethora of countries who account for 2% and aren’t on our doorstep.

I genuinely think the whole strategy is on pause to see what happens in the USA.

Hugh	21-10-2020 23:03

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36054622)

I don’t have a problem with Wiki, I just pointed out that Wiki stated the article you linked to possibly contains unsourced predictions, speculative material, or accounts of events that might not occur (their words, not mine).

Speaking of "selective", we were discussing trade deals with the USA, and the impact on these if Biden gets elected, and you post a link that doesn’t mention the USA at all...

Sephiroth

21-10-2020 23:16

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36054625)

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36054627)

I was responding to jfman and nobody else - specifically his point that if Biden wins, we'll have no friends left in the world.

jfman subsequently admitted he was exaggerating but that's how poor argument gets built on.

Your first paragraph is obtuse and worthless.

jfman

21-10-2020 23:32

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I’d say a trade deal with one of the big 3 is essential. I do think China care about Huawei, even if Iain Duncan Smith doesn’t.

1andrew1

21-10-2020 23:58

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36054633)

I’d say a trade deal with one of the big 3 is essential. I do think China care about Huawei, even if Iain Duncan Smith doesn’t.

Of the Big 3:
- China is ruled out - no negotiations scheduled
- USA is ruled out due to Internal Market Bill and Boris's links to soon-to-be-ex-President Trump

Therefore, the EU is the only show left in town. No wonder BoJo sent David Frost back to the negotiating table.

Mad Max

22-10-2020 00:01

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36054635)

You know this, how?

Hugh	22-10-2020 00:17

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36054629)

Well, that's alright then.

Maybe I'm wrong, but a trade deal with the US, which we don't have now, isn't terribly important other than as an in your face to the EU.

A trade deal with China, well they don't care about Northern Ireland. Anything could happen there. Better though that we start manufacturing our own white goods or whatever.

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I was responding to jfman and nobody else - specifically his point that if Biden wins, we'll have no friends left in the world.

jfman subsequently admitted he was exaggerating but that's how poor argument gets built on.

Your first paragraph is obtuse and worthless.

You think that the fact Wiki think their article may lack credence is "obtuse and worthless"?

Fair enough - their problem, not mine...

1andrew1

22-10-2020 00:40

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 36054636)

You know this, how?

Which aspects are you querying? Everything has been covered in recent links in this thread except for perhaps the US election where Biden's lead over Trump is increasing.

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