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Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36126501)

Presumably she can have as many "referendums" as she likes (its just a big vote).
They just wont mean anything [legally] to the rest of the UK, who can just ignore them ?

She could do what Rhodesia did Declare unilateral independence.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Chris put me onto the excellent Phillips O'Brien for his commentary on Ukraine. He also comments on other matters including the current call for a new referendum in Scotland.

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Basically it won’t happen, though unionists if they were smart might actually want one now instead of in a few years.

Brexit is already causing relative economic decline for the UK; and if that continues it basically will drive up support for joining the EU over the U.K. By waiting on a referendum, Brexiteer/unionists are gambling that Brexit will work.

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/...72142271074305

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36126493)

The economic argument might not matter. All about sovereignty and self determination, sound familiar? We voted to be worse off and Scotland might decide to do the same, both daft decisions, but its their choice. Almost 10 years since the last vote so the next generation is here.
Having BJ, a law breaking clown running the UK into the ground hadn't helped matters. Together we're stronger divided we're all weaker, same for Europe and the UK.

It’s completely different, Mr K. The only handouts we got from the EU were a small part of what we had already paid in. The Scots will be in a much worse position as it is heavily reliant on the Barnett formula.

We didn’t have any additional costs of governing as we already governed ourselves. The Scots have only devolved government and will have to find the money to pay for the cost of running full government services.

Brexit has its costs for us, but the Brexit plan is to recoup and enhance revenue by trading with our new freedoms with the rest of the world. This includes agreeing new trade deals with services (our biggest source of income) included. Remainers claim that the worsened economic conditions we have at present are proof that Brexit doesn’t work. However, so far the pandemic has slowed down the implementation of the manifesto. We have not yet had the bonfire of regulations or the new style trade agreements, for example. We are still bogged down sorting out the EU’s bureaucracy. However, Scotland has no plan that iss of economic benefit in their future independent state that I can see. Certainly none that they have made public.

The only thing in common is the sovereignty issue. But that will not help the Scottish poor.

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Originally Posted by noel43 (Post 36126504)

She could do what Rhodesia did Declare unilateral independence.

In which case she couldn’t accuse Boris of lawbreaking anymore as she would be doing exactly that!

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36126511)

It is a pity that Mr K has been so shallow, whereas OB has provided a reasoned analysis of what's so bad about Sturgeon's ideas.

Mr K is right, of course, about Boris being a clown. But he is wrong to apply the "united is better" analogy to the UK and the EU for all the reasons previously debated.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36126506)

Chris put me onto the excellent Phillips O'Brien for his commentary on Ukraine. He also comments on other matters including the current call for a new referendum in Scotland.

https://twitter.com/PhillipsPOBrien/...72142271074305

A response to that tweet made a good point though - in the end it’s not about which union looks more attractive to Scotland, but how exploitable each union is. The relative sizes of the EU and UK single markets are often trotted out by nats as proof that Scotland should leave the uk and join the EU. The problem for them is that having been members of both, Scotland’s ability to leverage its access to the UK has been vastly greater than its ability vis a vis the EU.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Mod edit (Chris): Several off-topic posts removed. This is a Scexit thread, not a Brexit thread.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Shouldn’t that be ”Joxit"? ;)

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Polls now neck and neck.
https://www.thenational.scot/news/20...ck-poll-finds/
Squeaky bum time.

If Westminster are confident of the result let them have another referendum? Surely a Bozza led campaign will win them over? :confused:

The Nationalists are in a rush as they see the best chance of a Yes vote with the current PM.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Be very hard to ignore the will of the people in a referendum, authorised or not...

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36126586)

"Neck and neck" but still a NO.

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Some 44% of those questioned by Savanta ComRes support independence, while 46% are opposed, both down 1% from a survey last month, while 10% were undecided, which was up three percentage points.
When undecided voters were removed, 49% said they would vote Yes, while 51% said they would vote No, which was unchanged.

Not quite so "neck and neck".

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The study also found 53% of respondents opposed holding a referendum next October, while 40% were in favour. The remainder were undecided.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36126591)

"Neck and neck" but still a NO.
Not quite so "neck and neck".

So let them have their vote then, no worries...

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

We cannot allow this to happen , we must fight back to keep our Great Britain as our four Nations together, Scotland could not go it along , Sturgeon will stop at nothing to get her way , She should be done for treason

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I dont think Scotland leaving is likely to harm the UK much, at least not as much as its likely to hurt Scotland ...
I know a few people who would say "good riddance", they have not had great experiences with Scottish people.

(Personally, I've found the vast majority I have encounted to be quite friendly, and not like they are often portrayed).

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

I've never seen/heard Scots portrayed as generally unfriendly.

"Good riddance" is not an appropriate sentiment. "Sod 'em" is appropriate if they choose to leave the UK.

Re: Will Scotland Leave the UK?

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Scottish independence voting intention:

Yes: 48% (+1)
No: 47% (-2)

via
@Panelbase

Chgs. w/ Apr

https://mobile.twitter.com/BritainEl...Cw7Yac9eoqAAAA