Cable Forum - Coronavirus (OLD)

In a major update today, Boris announced:

He was slashing the 2m rule down to '1m plus'
Staycations from July 4 got the green light as hotels and bed and breakfasts were told they could reopen
Pubs will also reopen from July 4 - but only one household can go inside with another and new measures will be in place
After three long months Brits will finally be able to get a haircut
But nail salons, gyms and nightclubs will remain closed for now
People will be allowed to see one other household inside - but they must still keep their distance
And sleepovers are finally allowed from July 4
Full list of all businesses allowed to reopen

He told the House of Commons: "Slowly but surely, these measures will restore a sense of normality.

"After the toughest restrictions in peacetime history, we are now able to make life easier for people to see more of their friends and families.

"And to help businesses get back on their feet and get people back into work."

Hugh	23-06-2020 14:19

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36040868)

The Daily Mail is making a different point. Right at the start of this, the government explained that the intention was to slow down the virus so as not to overwhelm the NHS. Do you really not recall that?

If you want a link to verify that was the intention, here it is, but you could have looked it up yourself rather than continually trying to discredit me.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...ut-it-11962901

14th April

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36031657)

We will not avoid deaths by the measures being taken. We can only delay them.

If you think the economy isn't important in determining when the restrictions are relaxed, I don't think the majority would agree with you.

24th April

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36032517)

I would point out that NZ is relatively sparsely populated.

Having said that, I await the second wave. Have you looked at Japan?

As I have said consistently, you can delay, but you cannot prevent.

You can quote me on that.

29th April

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36033305)

No, you don't. You just delay these deaths. As soon as the lockdown is lifted, the infection rates will increase again. They have already seen that in Germany.

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Accepted.

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Your first sentence I do not dispute. What you are ignoring is my main point here, which is that you cannot sustain a lockdown until the end of the summer, let alone the end of the year, which is the earliest possible time that a vaccine will become available.

Last weekend was evidence that a growing number of people are ignoring the rules. It was very noticeable that there were quite a lot more cars on the road as well.

;)

downquark1

23-06-2020 14:24

Re: Coronavirus

This is a genuine divide in the expert community, some say there should been a greater effort to stand out the virus entirely. Others are completely convinced that it cannot be stamped out and will just re-emerge over and over again until herd immunity is reached (naturally or via vaccine).

I understand this is a well known phenomena in epidemic history, I cannot cite the evidence myself.

1andrew1

23-06-2020 14:29

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36040896)

14th April

24th April

29th April

;)

My opinion of the above posts is that whilst they been consistent in opinion, they have been equally consistent in lacking supporting evidence.

papa smurf

23-06-2020 14:34

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36040899)

My opinion of the above posts is that whilst they been consistent in opinion, they have been equally consistent in lacking supporting evidence.

Especially when people avoid looking for it.

OLD BOY

23-06-2020 16:40

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36040896)

14th April

24th April

29th April

;)

Your point being?

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36040899)

My opinion of the above posts is that whilst they been consistent in opinion, they have been equally consistent in lacking supporting evidence.

I’m sure you could find links supporting the views I have expressed if you looked.

jonbxx

23-06-2020 16:49

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36040888)

PUB!

Haircut! too! Mind you, might go down the local Spoons before getting my hair cut as I am starting to rock a Tim Martin hairstyle right now. Might get a staff discount...

That first beer is gonna be goooood...

Paul	23-06-2020 18:15

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36040809)

2%=130,000 deaths, the health service overwhelmed, and others with life threatening illnesses not getting treatment.

If we had locked down earlier half of the deaths we had could have been avoided, and we wouldn't have had the most deaths in Europe. Our Govt was sleeping at the beginning to of this, hence Boris proudly shaking Coronavirus patients hands. Guess what happened next?

Thank you for the totaly pointless reply.
None of that has anything to do with the point in question (demise of future generations). :dozey:

Hugh	23-06-2020 18:24

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36040925)

Your point being?

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I’m sure you could find links supporting the views I have expressed if you looked.

Couldn’t find any, except from Karol Sikora, who’s an oncologist, not an epidemiologist or a virologist; he also said in early April

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I believe starting in early May we can begin to return to some normality.

Taf	23-06-2020 18:57

Re: Coronavirus

Rumours of a second wave are circulating amongst the "South Asian High Risk Group". Either that or over a dozen 5kg bags of rice and maybe more in pasta in each of 3 trolleys going through the tills at Tesco was an aberration. Just one couple.

Toilet roll stocks stripped from ALDI too by the same couple half an hour before.

richard s

23-06-2020 19:22

Re: Coronavirus

So that will be the last Coronavirus Government update tonite?

Hugh	23-06-2020 19:51

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Taf (Post 36040956)

As I posted yesterday

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36040714)

Just had a chat with my bro-in-law, who is a research SVP for a large* biosimilars company in the USA - they are, and I quote

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currently preparing a clinical trial at Johns Hopkins and UPenn to kick in the autumn when we expect a resurgence in the northeast

No matter what Governments are saying, he says most of the Pharma and biosimilar companies are expecting the 2nd wave September/October, and are planning for that - it’s not just following the science, it’s following the money behind the science.

The company he works for has already started human testing of an experimental Covid-19 antibody cocktail designed as a treatment for the disease, and they should know within a month whether the treatment is effective.

*market cap of $70 billion

OLD BOY

23-06-2020 20:03

Re: Coronavirus

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36040949)

Couldn’t find any, except from Karol Sikora, who’s an oncologist, not an epidemiologist or a virologist; he also said in early April

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...avirus-vaccine

[EXTRACT]

The virus will still be tough to conquer with a vaccine that lasts for years.

“It will be harder to get rid of Covid than smallpox,” says Brilliant. With smallpox it was at least clear who was infected, whereas people with coronavirus can spread it without knowing. A thornier problem is that as long as the infection rages in one country, all other nations are at risk.

As David Salisbury, the former director of immunisation at the Department of Health, told a Chatham House webinar recently: “Unless we have a vaccine available in unbelievable quantities that could be administered extraordinarily quickly in all communities in the world we will have gaps in our defences that the virus can continue to circulate in.”

Not looking good, is it, Hugh? As I said, this virus is not going anywhere soon.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36040966)

As I posted yesterday

And we'll believe it when we see it.

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