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OLD BOY 24-09-2019 12:55
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36011425)
I've scanned over the full reading this morning (however not at any particular depth) and it condemns his actions severely. The unanimous decision more so....
It was the impact of the prorogation that was being criticised.

mrmistoffelees 24-09-2019 13:00
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36011426)
Of course he's not 'corrupt'! Talk about over-egging it!

Yes, it had the 'effect' of frustrating parliament. As for 'reasonable justification, I assume that Boris thought it was reasonable because of the conference season and the Queen's Speech. You can argue that he was wrong in that belief, but calling it corruption is typical of the inappropriate language being used in this debate.
Absolute and utter twaddle

His advice to the Queen was UNLAWFUL he is quite simply corrupt.

He has been weighed, he has been measured & he has been found wanting.


Stop trying to defend the indefensible, which is precisely what his actions in this matter have been

jfman 24-09-2019 13:01
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36011426)
Of course he's not 'corrupt'! Talk about over-egging it!

Yes, it had the 'effect' of frustrating parliament. As for 'reasonable justification, I assume that Boris thought it was reasonable because of the conference season and the Queen's Speech. You can argue that he was wrong in that belief, but calling it corruption is typical of the inappropriate language being used in this debate.
Of course he is corrupt. He tried to exploit a process to close down Parliament to avoid scrutiny. As judged by the highest court in this land.

The work of a tin pot dictator.

Hugh 24-09-2019 13:01
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Originally Posted by Carth (Post 36011422)
I don't see anything corrupt about offering firms substantial handouts to move from the UK to the EU, nope, nothing at all
What sort of country would do that?

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/new...-land-15790370
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The UK government has awarded Jaguar Land Rover £11.5 million in state aid since the Brexit referendum

The British government has awarded Jaguar Land Rover more than £11 million in state aid since the UK decided to leave the European Union.

Business Secretary Greg Clark denied claims he was “desperately having to throw money” at worried carmakers to stay in the UK because of Brexit.

It comes after Mr Clark confirmed the Government had offered Japanese carmaker Nissan £61 million on condition that it built its X-Trail model at a plant in Sunderland...

...The European Commission website also shows that Aston Martin Lagonda, based in Gaydon, Warwickshire, received £5.8 million via the Welsh government in August 2017. The firm is building a factory in south Wales.

Aston Martin Lagonda also received £1.2 million to support research and development in the West Midlands, in March 2017.

Other firms to receive support include Toyota, Ford and BMW.

Carth 24-09-2019 13:04
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exploit a process
oh, same as has been going on by certain politicians and parties to thwart something else then . .

Mick 24-09-2019 13:04
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36011423)
'The Court is bound to conclude, therefore, that the decision to advise Her Majesty to prorogue Parliament was unlawful because it had the effect of frustrating or preventing the ability of Parliament to carry out its constitutional functions without reasonable justification.


It's there, in black and white. Your beloved Boris attempted to subvert and stop due democratic process from occurring. If that's not corrupt then i don't know what is ?
Excuse me, he is not my Beloved Boris, I didn't vote for him and he was not my choice for PM, so less of this tone.

Secondly, I have not passed any personal view, other than I expected this kind of judgement.

Thirdly, Governments are tested all the time on the law, it does not make them corrupt, this is the basis of checks and balances within our unwritten "Constitution", to stop them acting in a corrupt way. So you are also indeed wrong.

OLD BOY 24-09-2019 13:05
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36011430)
Absolute and utter twaddle

His advice to the Queen was UNLAWFUL he is quite simply corrupt.

He has been weighed, he has been measured & he has been found wanting.


Stop trying to defend the indefensible, which is precisely what his actions in this matter has been
Has the advice he gave to the Queen been published? I don't think it has, so how can anyone say that?

It was the impact of the prorogation that made the decision unlawful not the reasons behind it.

Mick 24-09-2019 13:10
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36011431)
Of course he is corrupt. He tried to exploit a process to close down Parliament to avoid scrutiny. As judged by the highest court in this land.

The work of a tin pot dictator.
More rubbish.

Words in rulings matter - no mention of the word corrupt was used. Stop telling lies.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36011430)
Absolute and utter twaddle

His advice to the Queen was UNLAWFUL he is quite simply corrupt.

He has been weighed, he has been measured & he has been found wanting.


Stop trying to defend the indefensible, which is precisely what his actions in this matter have been
Yes the twaddle from you is coming thick and fast today.

No he is not corrupt, the court did not use such wordings in in the rulings, which matters a damn lot.

mrmistoffelees 24-09-2019 13:14
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36011434)
Excuse me, he is not my Beloved Boris, I didn't vote for him and he was not my choice for PM, so less of this tone.

Secondly, I have not passed any personal view, other than I expected this kind of judgement.

Thirdly, Governments are tested all the time on the law, it does not make them corrupt, this is the basis of checks and balances within our unwritten "Constitution", to stop them acting in a corrupt way. So you are also indeed wrong.
1) I apologise & withdraw that part of my comment
2) If they are found guilty of either breaking the law or acting unlawfully, then imho they're corrupt

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36011435)
Has the advice he gave to the Queen been published? I don't think it has, so how can anyone say that?

It was the impact of the prorogation that made the decision unlawful not the reasons behind it.
These are Lady Hales words, read the transcript of the judgement !!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36011436)
More rubbish.

Words in rulings matter - no mention of the word corrupt was used. Stop telling lies.

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Yes the twaddle from you is coming thick and fast today.

No he is not corrupt, the court did not use such wordings in in the rulings, which matters a damn lot.


So, therefore by your logic someone who acts unlawfully can be considered trustworthy?

Is that right?

A simple yes or no will do.

denphone 24-09-2019 13:18
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PM Boris Johnson first comments on the Supreme Court ruling.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-49807552

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PM Boris Johnson said:"Obviously this is a verdict we will respect, we will respect the judicial process.
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"I don't think that it's right, but we will go ahead and of course Parliament will come back.
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Asked if he would apologise, Mr Johnson said he did not think the ruling was "the right decision".

Mick 24-09-2019 13:19
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36011438)
1) I apologise & withdraw that part of my comment
2) If they are found guilty of either breaking the law or acting unlawfully, then imho they're corrupt

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These are Lady Hales words, read the transcript of the judgement !!!!!!

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So, therefore by your logic someone who acts unlawfully can be considered trustworthy?

Is that right?

A simple yes or no will do.
Boris made an unwise political decision that has now been ruled unlawful, that does not make him corrupt.

I was shocked he made this move when it was announced that Parliament was going to be prorogued and I just knew, those on the Remain side, fighting tooth and nail would rally against him through the courts and they did and they won.

jfman 24-09-2019 13:22
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36011436)
More rubbish.

Words in rulings matter - no mention of the word corrupt was used. Stop telling lies.

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Yes the twaddle from you is coming thick and fast today.

No he is not corrupt, the court did not use such wordings in in the rulings, which matters a damn lot.
It's hardly lies. You clearly don't know the definition of corrupt if you can't see the link.

papa smurf 24-09-2019 13:23
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Has anyone said how long future prorogation's can be ?

mrmistoffelees 24-09-2019 13:27
Re: Brexit Development(s) Discussion
 
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36011443)
Boris made an unwise political decision that has now been ruled unlawful, that does not make him corrupt.

I was shocked he made this move when it was announced that Parliament was going to be prorogued and I just knew, those on the Remain side, fighting tooth and nail would rally against him through the courts and they did and they won.
Does your first statement not suggest a level of ineptitude?

As i see it we have (in my view) either a corrupt politician who deliberately tried to stop parliament from performing due process. Or, we have an inept politician incapable of performing his duties to the standard required.

Mick 24-09-2019 13:29
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36011445)
It's hardly lies. You clearly don't know the definition of corrupt if you can't see the link.
There is no link.

Again, for your benefit, the SC did not say in their ruling that he lied, they stopped short of ruling him doing this, they said there was no justifiable reasons for the prorogation, in Lady Hale's own words, "Blank sheet of paper", that to me doesn't say Boris lied.

So stop trying to throw the corruption label back on Boris because it does not wash, the EU is corrupt and undemocratic.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees (Post 36011448)
Does your first statement not suggest a level of ineptitude?
It's Boris Johnson.

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Originally Posted by mrmistoffelees
As i see it we have (in my view) either a corrupt politician who deliberately tried to stop parliament from performing due process. Or, we have an inept politician incapable of performing his duties to the standard required.
Sorry but I refer you back to the courts ruling, no mention of corrupt or lies. Words matter in rulings.


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