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Where has he politicised them exactly ?

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Which is a stark contrast to the fact that ALL the Democrat Senators voted to block the GOP one, bleating on about National Security when even theirs contained more sensitive information. The GOP one really was not that staggering, already confirmed stuff already known.

There was no sources and methods in the GOP Memo and it was only 4 pages long, Schiff's was 10 pages long.

I read their letter pretty much as it was released last night.

It was not them who mentioned safety, if I recall it was a Republican Congressman who had commented on the release of names in the footnotes that could compromise safety and security of these people.

The bottom line is, Schiff left the sources and methods in his memo on purpose, knowing Trump would have no choice but to block it's release.

Schiff is a dodgy character and is suspected of leaking closed door testimony when Donald Trump Jnr, was giving evidence, he excused himself and left the hearing, moments later, CNN was discussing stuff raised from that hearing that was still in session...

The other issue here is that the Democrats could just be trying to save face, after all, the allegations of collusion and the dossier implicates the DNC in wrong doing during an election...

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He has accused them of participating in a conspiracy against him. That could be said to be politicising them, as it implies they are working for the Democrats.

However, he is doing himself no favours. Simply because the fact he is attacking the various intelligence services, will make a lot of people wonder if he is trying to discredit them because they have discovered something he is doing that is impeachable.

People are likely to think this whether he has or not, and it may hurt any chances he has of being re-elected.

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Evidence suggests that is likely true. It's time to do an official enqiry into it.


Trump has gone out of his way to praise the rank and file of all security services, as have those investigating this; if there is corruption, it is some of the very top echelon.


Mick has kept the thread very well updated on the things that we are talking about here.

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i.e. the conspiracy plots ('news') you like to hear ;)

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Fox News and Hannity are not ‘evidence’ - will it be like the 10 official enquiries into Benghazi?

Trump appointed the top echelon, so I am confused how his own appointees are corruptly conspiring against him?

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Well one of the victims mothers said Crooked Hillary lied to her what happened, Hillary said one thing in public, and another thing in an email that was leaked, so that’s good enough for me.

The GOP Memo is sufficient evidence, it’s backed up by the Grassley report released early this week. While I want to read the Dem Memo, I am not that desperate to read politicised fiction written by a weasel Democrat Congressman, Shifty Adam Schiff, who leaks stuff to CNN.

Of course Shifty Schiff has got a lot to hide. The Democrats/DNC/Hillary campaign have got caught trying to rig the Election, they rigged the Primaries, by giving the questions to the debate for Hillary, to scupper Bernie Sanders.

Then they appear to have weaponised the FBI by getting illegal FISA warrants to illegally spy on Trump and his campaign team. The FBI does a shoddy investigation in to the Clinton email investigation. Giving immunity deals to key people, allowing physical evidence to be destroyed or wiped.

All this, worse than Watergate effort, to boost Crooked Hillary’s chances and she still lost. Still makes me happy bigly that she is not the President!

Then this week we learn from more text messages from rogue agents in the FBI, that President Obama was asking and wanted to know what they are doing, this is the same Obama who said on National TV he don’t talk to the FBI or interfere in their operations on any case, period. He lied.

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The correct term should have been circumstantial evidence. It needs official investigation, as I stated in my reply.

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He knew that, Hugh is just trying to scupper the narrative because he thinks it's coming from Fox News, it's not. ;)

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I know! :);):D

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Erm, I know facts don't count for a lot, but as has been explained before, the FISA Warrant under discussion was for Carter Page, who had left the Trump Campaign the month before, and was not for anyone on the Trump campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.6b0b04899298 Also, as was also previously explained, the FBI agents were discussing that Obama wanted the info on Russian meddling in the campaign, nothing to do with the Trump Campaign (again); the Clinton case had been closed for months before these texts were sent.

http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecur...ce-not-clinton

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There was a FISA warrant done on Trump.

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1518384353

It does not remove the fact Obama still lied, he said on TV he does not interfere or speak to the FBI on cases they are working on, period, ever. Those were his words, bolded & underlined, on TV, he lied.

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Still no evidence that Obama spoke to the FBI or interfered in any of its investigations. eg he may have requested an aid to get an update of the Russia investigation.

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That is a very partisan breakdown. The fact it uses loaded language 'minor missteps by Trump' but 'weaponised intelligence' by the FBI is a red flag. If such language were used in court it would be overruled. You don't just get to insert dubious, unproven, premises into discussions like that.

It says it was done only for political gain which is unproven. You can't just assume what the intention was for the FBI to open their investigation. You can't assume the intel gathered from these wiretaps was done for political gain especially when the the period largely covers time after the election.

I don't think there was a FISA warrant on Trump, it was on Carter Page, so I don't know where this FISA warrant on Trump comes from. I haven't been paying attention in the last week so maybe that's a new revelation. But the memo was about the warrant on Page not Trump. So that just seems made up.

I don't really see the point of these discussions anymore because we're operating in different worlds. I never heard of Trump having a FISA warrant against him and nor does it appear has any mainstream source I can find. I google it and all I get is NWO/Illuminati sites. If we haven't got a common basis for what can be considered reliable or true then this is useless.

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Did you say that without applying any logic?

Obama getting an Aide to get into contact with FBI is still Obama getting in to contact with the FBI. :rolleyes: :dunce:

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A FISA Warrant on Carter Page, is all they needed to start spying on Trump, so in essence, it is still a FISA Warrant on Trump. A normal FISA Warrant grants surveillance of any contacts of the FISA target and it doesn’t stop there, then the contacts of the contact.

You read GOP Memo, they renewed the FISA 3 times, every 90 days, using the Dossier to justify the renewel, the Dossier was about Trump, not Carter Page. Thus, the FBI/Intelligence agencies, I’d say, were really after surveillance of Trump or his campaign staff, or both.

FISA renewals are strict in that a new identifiable and justified reason should be used, it wasn’t, the Dossier was used every time.

So going back to that Breakdown which you claim is partisan, is actually fairly accurate actually. Deputy Director, Andy McCabe did say no Dossier, no FISA Warrant in a testimony. You’ve admitted in the past you’re no legal expert, so you cannot say what would be overruled any more than I can.

Just out of interest. Did you miss the NYT article on the Intelligence Agencies trying to pay for dirt from the Russians on Trump, this weekend?

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Obama did not say "contact". He said "speak to". Politicians choose the words carefully. Those with a legal background like Obama - even more so. ;)

Why don't you just admit you were wrong on this? You post a lot and it's inevitable that without double-checking by someone else first, some of the stuff anyone posts even in the best of faith will be wrong.