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Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)

Just got back from seeing Avengers. The 3D was rubbish, way over the top, but the film itself was quite good.

And yeah, I have 100Mb and easy access to The Pirate Bay.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35425795)

'earlier' would be in post #213 when someone made a comment about VPNs being used to avoid being caught downloading copyright material, you stated (quite accurately, but not relevant to his comment) that p2p could be used to legally distribute material - if it was legally shareable, why bother with a VPN? ;)

Well one reason would be certain ISPs throttling P2P to hell.

Traffic shaping kit does not distinguish between P2P data that is copyrighted or not, so a legitimate user may need to use a VPN to get the full speed of the connection they are paying for, for what they believe is a legitimate use.

Course I never did P2P on my VM connection so I can't say how bad it is there, but since P2P shaping is far more prevalent in the UK than, e.g. the US, the point applies broadly to most UK consumer providers.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35425795)

Because ISP's shape the carp out of P2P traffic regardless of what you are sharing.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)

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Originally Posted by _wtf_ (Post 35425803)

Again if you reread my posts you'll notice that at no time do I state that I use a VPN for file sharing in fact I make a point of saying that my file sharing activities are done via a UK VPS and that everything on there is 'legal'. Do you honestly think I would be stupid enough to use a server paid for with my credit card for illegal activities. And before you mention I may have set the server up to use a VPN service I will point out I have already mentioned my knowledge of Linux is not very good and though I'm guessing it could be done I really would not know where to start and now I've got it working the way I want wouldn't want to mess it up.

My reason for setting up a VPN server and messing with VPN in the first place, even though it is none of your business is for relatives and friends in the states to by pass UK geo-location locking. Again if you reread my posts you'll also notice I mention having a free month of the American Netflix service and that I mention using StrongVPN because without it you are not able to view it.

Honestly, if you think a VPN service can only be used for 'illegal' activities maybe you shouldn't be a moderator on an internet based forum.

As to the comment. That's the wonderful thing about forums when it suits you can use the interpretation excuse. Well a couple of people I've pointed it out have not taken your interpretation of it. I think it's the (e.g. _wtf_) that gives it that slight edge, don't you think?

wtf, Once again, there seems to be a misunderstanding/misinterpretation of what I have stated.

I don't think, and haven't said, that that a VPN can only be used for "illegal" (your word, not mine) activities, having used them and provided them for my users - I pointed out you answered someone's comment re VPNs being used to avoid p2p being tracked with an answer about p2p in general being used for legally shareable material, which, IMHO, was a misdirection/misunderstanding.

Also, another piece of (perhaps unintentional) misdirection on your part is your comment

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at no time do I state that I use a VPN for file sharing in fact I make a point of saying that my file sharing activities are done via a UK VPS and that everything on there is 'legal'.

- at no time have I stated, or even hinted, that you did use a VPN for file-sharing, or were involved in anything that wasn't 'legal'..;)

Anyway, the original question and answer....

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Originally Posted by vmfriend (Post 35424575)

Ah so you pay for a VPN not to pay for something else = genius

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Originally Posted by _wtf_ (Post 35424598)

You do realise that P2P filesharing actually has legitimate uses. There are thousands of artists sharing their own copyrighted media. One of my servers in the UK runs a seedbox and trust me there's no copyrighted material on that. I also run a ShoutCast radio station and again all the music on there is from independent artists who own the copyright which I would argue is as good as anything the signed artists are doing in the genre. Infact I had to remove one of the artists CD's because he got signed.

How about 37GB of free music or maybe you want to watch a movie for free. I'll leave the reader ponder what films would now be available on the last site under sensible copyright laws, hint go on IMDB and type in 1982. (Note to mods these sites do not link to copyrighted material.)

Oh and VPN = privacy.

Question - VPN

Answer - p2p, with a bit on the end re privacy.

qas, Skie - thanks for those answers; I knew that, but they weren't the reasons given (since VPN was hardly mentioned in the original answer to vmfriend....;)

wtf, if you have an issue with me being a moderator on this forum, you can always contact the site owners (Mick / Paul M) about it, and if you believe that Carl's post was inappropriate, please use the "report post" function.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35425846)

Yet even though you were so distraught at me not answering, and knowing this yourself you never answered answered him either!

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35425846)

wtf, if you have an issue with me being a moderator on this forum, you can always contact the site owners (Mick / Paul M) about it, and if you believe that Carl's post was inappropriate, please use the "report post" function.

Not at all as long as I can put you in my troll box along with the other tool that's in there.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35425846)

..and if you believe that Carl's post was inappropriate, please use the "report post" function.

Or he could just tell me that. I'll apologise anyway, to save everyone the bother :)

Incidentally....

Pirate Bay: stop attacking ISPs over court ban

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)

Everybody calm down and play nicely please.

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|.. You could save your time by setting up a script to post that in this thread every couple of hours....

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)

People shouldn't argue about copyright theft. Let those who think it is theft be and those who think it isn't be. Those who think it isn't will continue to download regardless. Those who think it is theft will put up with their DRM downloads or physical copies.

Those who think it is theft are generally older and will die out sooner or later leaving the majority who think it's not theft since they grew up downloading torrents.

Deeply moral issues change over the decades, something trivial like copyright theft will no doubt experience the same ebbs and flows.

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Originally Posted by Dush (Post 35426460)

People shouldn't argue about copyright theft. Let those who think it is theft be and those who think it isn't be. Those who think it isn't will continue to download regardless. Those who think it is theft will put up with their DRM downloads of physical copies.

Those who think it is theft are generally older and will die out sooner or later leaving the majority who think it's not theft since they grew up downloading torrents.

Deeply moral issues change over the decades, something trivial like copyright theft will no doubt experience the same ebbs and flows.

So the young artists of today shouldn't want to be getting their rights to their intellectual property protected because it's only the stupid old codgers like me who think copyright misuse is wrong
Also IF I work in an office/shop/factory I get paid weekly/monthly for the work I do.
An artist/musician has no weekly wage and relies on selling his work.Why shouldn't he get the copyright on his product.It's the same as an inventor having a patent on a machine/gadget getting his his dues when his patent is used by others..Why should anyone work on producing anything if they aren't to get paid for having written,composed,painted.invented it.

I can't help thinking that those who want to download what they want for nothing are not actually creative themselves.

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Originally Posted by Maggy J (Post 35426473)

it's only the stupid old codgers like me who think copyright misuse is wrong

I think so, most of the people who seem to think this way are older. The fact that they have a higher death rate than younger people who hold the opposite opinion means that the moral norm for copyright infringement will be that it's fine.

Only religion has the power to make what is (mostly) harmless seem immoral. i.e. attitudes to casual sex, relationships etc. The older generation dies out and the younger ones hold a different view, then that becomes the majority. The cycle repeats.

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Originally Posted by Dush (Post 35426460)

People shouldn't argue about copyright theft. Let those who think it is theft be and those who think it isn't be.

But I really do struggle to see how it can't be theft.

Theft
"The action or crime of stealing"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theft
"In common usage, theft is the taking of another person's property without that person's permission or consent..."

Sounds like theft to me.

Now, okay, there is a bit missing off the end of that; which is....

"... with the intent to deprive the rightful owner of it."

Which is, I assume, why they think they can justify it because the 'rightful owner' (eg movie studio or song's composer) still has their original version.

Of course, the problem with that is that every other copy in existence (ie sold or rented) is exactly that; a copy. But it is a legal copy for which the 'rightful owner' will be recompensed.

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Those who think it is theft are generally older and will die out sooner or later leaving the majority who think it's not theft since they grew up downloading torrents.

And when all these "old folk" have died, and no-one pays for anything any more, do you think that big movie studios will spend millions on making films (or whatever) if they're not going to be able to make their money back?

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Deeply moral issues change over the decades, something trivial like copyright theft will no doubt experience the same ebbs and flows.

There's nothing 'trivial' about theft.

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)

Don't know if this has been posted here before but a Danish court has order the Pirate Party to stop publicising ways of getting around the block on TPB.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-18016819

Re: The Pirate Bay is blocked (Discuss but do not post detail of how to get round it)

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Originally Posted by murfitUK (Post 35426486)

Bit late for that

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Originally Posted by Sirius (Post 35426487)

Bit late for that

what block ? no block here in sunny BT land :D