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ianch99 08-06-2022 11:50
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Originally Posted by Paul (Post 36124698)
Not really any different to others on here who will never say they did anything right. ;)
I'll go on the record to say that their support for Ukraine has been first class. There is a smell of expediency to deflect attention but the end justifies the means.

Dave42 08-06-2022 12:01
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36124716)
I'll go on the record to say that their support for Ukraine has been first class. There is a smell of expediency to deflect attention but the end justifies the means.
yes they been good on support for Ukraine but remember the Russian money tories took and the son of former KGB agent made a lord against the security advice

hopefully they never take Russian money again and they need to clean up all the Russian dirty money in London

OLD BOY 08-06-2022 12:51
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36124711)
I’m unsure how you can lie about an event that demonstrably didn’t take place.
I think you need to explain that one, jfman.

jfman 08-06-2022 13:07
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124719)
I think you need to explain that one, jfman.
I’m not really sure what benefit it would give. Your previous statement is false. I think it’s clear to everyone except you why.

Hugh 08-06-2022 14:15
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36124718)
yes they been good on support for Ukraine but remember the Russian money tories took and the son of former KGB agent made a lord against the security advice

hopefully they never take Russian money again and they need to clean up all the Russian dirty money in London
And let’s not forget when, as Foreign Secretary, Johnson left his Security back in the U.K. whilst he attended a weekend* party at said former KGB agent’s son’s Italian castle…

*The day before flying out he had been in Brussels for talks with the US secretary of state and other Nato leaders to discuss how to deal with Russia in the aftermath of the nerve agent poisonings in Salisbury (carried out by the FSB, successors to the KGB)

OLD BOY 08-06-2022 23:08
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36124720)
I’m not really sure what benefit it would give. Your previous statement is false. I think it’s clear to everyone except you why.
It is not false. Starmer has changed his story about how many people went for the curry, he lied about it not being planned, and so on.

So how you can say the statement I made is false, I don’t know. Were you there?

Dave42 08-06-2022 23:12
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124753)
It is not false. Starmer has changed his story about how many people went for the curry, he lied about it not being planned, and so on.

So how you can say the statement I made is false, I don’t know. Were you there?
but of course the biggest liar in uk as never done anything wrong once according to you OB and how many time did he change his story about all the parties they had

jfman 08-06-2022 23:30
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124753)
It is not false. Starmer has changed his story about how many people went for the curry, he lied about it not being planned, and so on.

So how you can say the statement I made is false, I don’t know. Were you there?
These are very serious allegations against a Knight of the Realm, OB.

It’s pretty obvious your previous statement was false. I notice you more suitably offered caveats to your claims against him in your latest attempt at this smear than a mere 12 hours ago.

Paul 09-06-2022 00:43
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36124755)
These are very serious allegations against a Knight of the Realm, OB.
Serious enough for the police to investigate.

OLD BOY 09-06-2022 07:29
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36124755)
These are very serious allegations against a Knight of the Realm, OB.

It’s pretty obvious your previous statement was false. I notice you more suitably offered caveats to your claims against him in your latest attempt at this smear than a mere 12 hours ago.
What, specifically, was wrong with my statement? As usual, you are being very vague.

Interesting that you believe that when a bloke has a 'Sir' attached to his name, he can never lie. That sword the Queen has must have the most extraordinary powers!

jfman 09-06-2022 09:03
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124762)
What, specifically, was wrong with my statement? As usual, you are being very vague.

Interesting that you believe that when a bloke has a 'Sir' attached to his name, he can never lie. That sword the Queen has must have the most extraordinary powers!
I’ll provide a suitable dissection of your posts when he’s cleared for the second time. Between now and then I’m content to leave you looking ridiculous on the end of that straw.

I don’t believe anything of the sort. In fact this is a special occasion I tend to ignore these titles because they’re an outdated anachronism.

Mick 09-06-2022 10:58
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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36124766)
I’ll provide a suitable dissection of your posts when he’s cleared for the second time. Between now and then I’m content to leave you looking ridiculous on the end of that straw.

I don’t believe anything of the sort. In fact this is a special occasion I tend to ignore these titles because they’re an outdated anachronism.
He wasn’t “cleared the first time’ because a proper investigation wasn’t carried out initially and given Starmer’s constant jiggling of information from that evening & the lying, it cannot and should not be ignored, just because it bothers you, just because it is someone in potential legal jeopardy, other than Boris.

Mr K 09-06-2022 12:11
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36124775)
He wasn’t “cleared the first time’ because a proper investigation wasn’t carried out initially and given Starmer’s constant jiggling of information from that evening & the lying, it cannot and should not be ignored, just because it bothers you, just because it is someone in potential legal jeopardy, other than Boris.
Innocent until proved guilty Mick?
Boris has been found guilty, Sir Keir not yet. Maybe wait and see.....

1andrew1 09-06-2022 12:31
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Originally Posted by Mick (Post 36124775)
He wasn’t “cleared the first time’ because a proper investigation wasn’t carried out initially and given Starmer’s constant jiggling of information from that evening & the lying, it cannot and should not be ignored, just because it bothers you, just because it is someone in potential legal jeopardy, other than Boris.
I think Johnson wishes it was a potential FPN! The potential bit is whether the charge of lying to Parliament can be proved.

Mick 09-06-2022 12:38
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36124780)
Innocent until proved guilty Mick?
Boris has been found guilty, Sir Keir not yet. Maybe wait and see.....
Visit Specsavers man. The word “potential” has a meaning & is there in my post, Mr K. :dozey:

ianch99 10-06-2022 09:17
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Watched some of the BBCQT from true blue Dorking and most of the audience replies were savage. The Tories are unravelling in front of our eyes. They just don't get the mood of the average "honest" Tory voter.

Sephiroth 10-06-2022 09:27
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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36124836)
Watched some of the BBCQT from true blue Dorking and most of the audience replies were savage. The Tories are unravelling in front of our eyes. They just don't get the mood of the average "honest" Tory voter.
I too watched QT last night. My impression was that the audience anger was directed at Boris. The Tory party is only "unravelling" in the eyes of its sworn opponents; truth is, the party is going through a turbulent period that will sort itself out one way or another.

But, a couple of questions:

1. Would you regard me as an "honest" Tory voter? (I am a Tory voter).

2. Why did you place the word "honest" into quote marks?

ianch99 10-06-2022 09:45
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36124838)
I too watched QT last night. My impression was that the audience anger was directed at Boris. The Tory party is only "unravelling" in the eyes of its sworn opponents; truth is, the party is going through a turbulent period that will sort itself out one way or another.

But, a couple of questions:

1. Would you regard me as an "honest" Tory voter? (I am a Tory voter).

2. Why did you place the word "honest" into quote marks?
Q1: yes, definitely. You are one of the few Tory supporters here who will tell it how it really is although not totally ;)

Q2: why quotes? Well there are Tory voters who claim that their votes and their support is in the best interests of the country when the reality before them can never objectively justify that position.

Why the Tory party and not just Johnson unravelling? The answer is that the contamination from his DNA and legacy is now too far gone to be rolled back. Remember we govern by Cabinet consensus plus not all the deplorable decisions have been just his. The laws that have passed that erode our civil liberties and democracy have been voted through by the Party, not Johnson.

Damien 10-06-2022 10:08
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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36124838)
[COLOR="Blue"]I too watched QT last night. My impression was that the audience anger was directed at Boris. The Tory party is only "unravelling" in the eyes of its sworn opponents; truth is, the party is going through a turbulent period that will sort itself out one way or another.
Johnson is certainly getting the worst of it but the longer he stays as leader the longer it damages the wider Tory 'brand' I think.

The worst thing for them is most of this is self-inflicted. The Owen Paterson scandal and the Partygate ones aren't even poor political decisions - such as Brown's 10p tax rate - but extracurricular shenanigans they didn't need to do at all.

What should worry the Tories is that there are more structural problems coming they can't address simply by dumping their leader. The full political impact of inflation, the cost of living and what looks to be very low growth are only beginning to be felt and will get worst over the next 12 months. NHS waiting times are also projected to increase for the next few years. For all the talk of scandal, it will pass, and people will simply have lower trust in Johnson overall. What people will vote on is their incomes, their expenses and if they're in poor health and have to wait months for an NHS appointment.

tweetiepooh 10-06-2022 11:08
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Maybe the situation is getting to the point that we need a sort of "war footing" coalition government so the politicos stop their silly point scoring and work together to solve what looks like a really hard time coming.

BenMcr 10-06-2022 11:16
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36124847)
Maybe the situation is getting to the point that we need a sort of "war footing" coalition government so the politicos stop their silly point scoring and work together to solve what looks like a really hard time coming.
Unfortunately I think in our current political landscape everyone are so far apart from either other for it work.

I thought the Con / Lib-Dem one worked for a good part because Cameron and Clegg got on. Johnson and Starmer definitely do not, nor could I see the rest of either front bench for the most part.

tweetiepooh 10-06-2022 11:22
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Plus even if the politicians did get together and come up with a brilliant and workable plan the civil servants who would implement it would likely mess it up by creating a "committee for the implementation of the brilliant and workable plan" who would suck up all the resource and time.

jfman 10-06-2022 11:27
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Originally Posted by BenMcr (Post 36124850)
Unfortunately I think in our current political landscape everyone are so far apart from either other for it work.

I thought the Con / Lib-Dem one worked for a good part because Cameron and Clegg got on. Johnson and Starmer definitely do not, nor could I see the rest of either front bench for the most part.
This Government was elected on the back of stoking division - why waste a winning formula when you haven't even fully played the culture war cards.

Hugh 10-06-2022 11:28
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36124847)
Maybe the situation is getting to the point that we need a sort of "war footing" coalition government so the politicos stop their silly point scoring and work together to solve what looks like a really hard time coming.
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36124852)
Plus even if the politicians did get together and come up with a brilliant and workable plan the civil servants who would implement it would likely mess it up by creating a "committee for the implementation of the brilliant and workable plan" who would suck up all the resource and time.

Damien 10-06-2022 12:59
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36124847)
Maybe the situation is getting to the point that we need a sort of "war footing" coalition government so the politicos stop their silly point scoring and work together to solve what looks like a really hard time coming.
Nah. We're meant to have an opposition and it's healthy. This Government has a sizable majority so it's not as if it's unable to do anything. A National Government ala WW2 should only be considered during an extreme crisis when there is an existential threat to our existence as a country.

These are challenging economic times and the opposition should be there to question if the Government are handling it correctly, challenge them on the decisions they're making, speak out for those who are impacted the most and so on. If you have a national government representative of Parliament then who in Parliament holds them to account?

Sephiroth 10-06-2022 15:22
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36124847)
Maybe the situation is getting to the point that we need a sort of "war footing" coalition government so the politicos stop their silly point scoring and work together to solve what looks like a really hard time coming.
The problem with that is obtaining agreement among the parties as to what is the basis for the "war footing". You and I know what's wrong, but even we would be hard pressed to define this in terms of "war footing" not to mention how this would actually resolve/solve matters.

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Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36124845)
Johnson is certainly getting the worst of it but the longer he stays as leader the longer it damages the wider Tory 'brand' I think.

The worst thing for them is most of this is self-inflicted. The Owen Paterson scandal and the Partygate ones aren't even poor political decisions - such as Brown's 10p tax rate - but extracurricular shenanigans they didn't need to do at all.

What should worry the Tories is that there are more structural problems coming they can't address simply by dumping their leader. The full political impact of inflation, the cost of living and what looks to be very low growth are only beginning to be felt and will get worst over the next 12 months. NHS waiting times are also projected to increase for the next few years. For all the talk of scandal, it will pass, and people will simply have lower trust in Johnson overall. What people will vote on is their incomes, their expenses and if they're in poor health and have to wait months for an NHS appointment.
Yes, the Conservative brand is becoming contaminated by Boris and his cabinet cronies.

I got this email from Boris after he got away with his career:

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Dear xxxxxxxx,


I am writing to thank you for your support and set out my plan for how we can move forward together as one united party.

We have drawn a line under weeks of media speculation and are determined to take this country forward. And David, as a valued Conservative Party member, you have a vital role.

We can move on from the issues our opponents want us to talk about – and renew our focus on what matters – delivering on the people’s priorities.

We’ve already achieved so much together as a Conservative Party – and there’s so much more to do.

We got Brexit Done – and now we need to grasp its benefits and make Britain the best place in the world to do business.

As economies struggle with the impact of Putin’s illegal war and energy price spikes, we are committing £37 billion worth of cost of living support.

And now we need to grow our economy, creating the conditions for even more high-wage, high-skill jobs, to help address the cost of living.

We took the decision to be the first European country to help Ukraine protect itself against an appalling and illegal invasion by Russia – and we will continue to lead the way in our coordinated international response.

And we are fixing long term issues. From tackling social care to our economic and migration partnership with Rwanda, we Conservatives can be trusted to deliver.

It is our responsibility to continue on this path of delivery – by levelling up and unleashing the potential of every corner of the UK. From transport to childcare to energy to housing – we will drive reform that will benefit families up and down the country.

That is our vision: of a strong and prosperous United Kingdom, with our beloved Union protected and supported, projecting the best of British values around the world.

I am absolutely confident that this Conservative Government, together with your support as a member of our party, will deliver for the country we love.
To call it "content free" would insult all other documents that were content free!

I've highlighted just one paragraph - "the people's priorities". Very close to the top, if not at the top are:

1. Restoration of face-to-face doctor's appointments - at least next day;

2. Proper relief from the cost-of-living crisis - like temporary removal of VAT from fuel prices. The mentioned £37 billion says nothing as to its adequacy (which it won't be).

3. Self-sufficiency on power and food (so far as is possible) instead of the stupid "wilding" policy and not joining up power generation with electric cars (never mind the Victorian terraced streets).

By all means support Ukraine, but do not hold it up as a Conservative triumph; do not claim to be anywhere near fixing social care.

By now, the levelling up policy should have been formed and its basis announced. It's pie in the sky, along with Housing Benefit paying for the right-to-buy mortgage!

Jeez.

Mr K 10-06-2022 17:39
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There was an interesting documentary on BBC2 last night about Bradford. Ask them about 'Leveling up'. The amount people suffering ill health through air pollution is disgraceful in 2022. And the one thing that could help, a decent rail link, the Tories promised has no been cancelled. New underground line for London though....

The red wall has disintegrated as they'll find out in the Wakefield by election. Never mind Scotland leaving the UK, the North of England might decide to too.

Itshim 10-06-2022 18:57
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Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36124874)
There was an interesting documentary on BBC2 last night about Bradford. Ask them about 'Leveling up'. The amount people suffering ill health through air pollution is disgraceful in 2022. And the one thing that could help, a decent rail link, the Tories promised has no been cancelled. New underground line for London though....

The red wall has disintegrated as they'll find out in the Wakefield by election. Never mind Scotland leaving the UK, the North of England might decide to too.
I would be surprised if the governing party didn't lose mid term , that's the nature of the beast. Question to Labour supporters , if you think bj is so bad a vote loser ,why would you want him to go , guessing you would think he would be replaced with someone better for the country ,hence more likely to win the next general election,. This is not a defence of Him just puzzled by the thinking :confused: hole and digging comes to mind as far as BJ is concerned .

Mr K 10-06-2022 19:03
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36124882)
I would be surprised if the governing party didn't lose mid term , that's the nature of the beast. Question to Labour supporters , if you think bj is so bad a vote loser ,why would you want him to go , guessing you would think he would be replaced with someone better for the country ,hence more likely to win the next general election,. This is not a defence of Him just puzzled by the thinking :confused: hole and digging comes to mind as far as BJ is concerned .
Tbh , politically, as the opposition, you'd want him to stay. But the price is too high , God knows what state the country will be in with 2 more years of the lying muppet, promising everything and delivering nothing.

OLD BOY 10-06-2022 20:52
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36124754)
but of course the biggest liar in uk as never done anything wrong once according to you OB and how many time did he change his story about all the parties they had
Well, he’s only received a fine for a cake ambush between meetings. Go figure.

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Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36124836)
Watched some of the BBCQT from true blue Dorking and most of the audience replies were savage. The Tories are unravelling in front of our eyes. They just don't get the mood of the average "honest" Tory voter.
OMG! BBCQT! I’d love to hear your definition of objective! :p:

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36124855)

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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh
Maybe the situation is getting to the point that we need a sort of "war footing" coalition government so the politicos stop their silly point scoring and work together to solve what looks like a really hard time coming.
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Originally Posted by tweetiepooh View Post
Plus even if the politicians did get together and come up with a brilliant and workable plan the civil servants who would implement it would likely mess it up by creating a "committee for the implementation of the brilliant and workable plan" who would suck up all the resource and time.
Your point being…?

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36124853)
This Government was elected on the back of stoking division - why waste a winning formula when you haven't even fully played the culture war cards.
Actually, this government was elected on the basis that it was the only government that would actually deliver what they wanted (ie Brexit).

Now, you may personally think that Brexit is not the right course for this country, but it was the democratic decision. You need to swallow that.

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36124866)
The problem with that is obtaining agreement among the parties as to what is the basis for the "war footing". You and I know what's wrong, but even we would be hard pressed to define this in terms of "war footing" not to mention how this would actually resolve/solve matters.

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Yes, the Conservative brand is becoming contaminated by Boris and his cabinet cronies.

I got this email from Boris after he got away with his career:



To call it "content free" would insult all other documents that were content free!

I've highlighted just one paragraph - "the people's priorities". Very close to the top, if not at the top are:

1. Restoration of face-to-face doctor's appointments - at least next day;

2. Proper relief from the cost-of-living crisis - like temporary removal of VAT from fuel prices. The mentioned £37 billion says nothing as to its adequacy (which it won't be).

3. Self-sufficiency on power and food (so far as is possible) instead of the stupid "wilding" policy and not joining up power generation with electric cars (never mind the Victorian terraced streets).

By all means support Ukraine, but do not hold it up as a Conservative triumph; do not claim to be anywhere near fixing social care.

By now, the levelling up policy should have been formed and its basis announced. It's pie in the sky, along with Housing Benefit paying for the right-to-buy mortgage!

Jeez.
This is getting silly now. You completely ignore the dreadful situation we have faced with Covid and the Ukraine situation. You can see the problem, so please, just acknowledge it! Clear that blind spot.

The manifesto was delayed for legitimate reasons. Judge Boris when his time is up, and bear in mind the problems he has been up against.

The manifesto is now being relaunched, so be patient.

Mr K 10-06-2022 20:59
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124890)

Now, you may personally think that Brexit is not the right course for this country, but it was the democratic decision. You need to swallow that.
The country is swallowing it big time now OB, that's for sure. Project Fear and a law breaking, self centered, incompetent PM are here.
Worst growth and highest inflation in the G7. Why?

Sephiroth 10-06-2022 21:12
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124890)
<SNIP>

This is getting silly now. You completely ignore the dreadful situation we have faced with Covid and the Ukraine situation. You can see the problem, so please, just acknowledge it! Clear that blind spot.

The manifesto was delayed for legitimate reasons. Judge Boris when his time is up, and bear in mind the problems he has been up against.

The manifesto is now being relaunched, so be patient.
OB, you really are a piece of work. I offered these public priorities and address your remarks in-line:

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Very close to the top, if not at the top are:

1. Restoration of face-to-face doctor's appointments - at least next day;
Nothing to do with Covid now. The doctors just don't want to do it and the Guvmin is doing nothing about it.

2. Proper relief from the cost-of-living crisis - like temporary removal of VAT from fuel prices. The mentioned £37 billion says nothing as to its adequacy (which it won't be).
The Guvmin has a duty in all circumstances to protect its citizens, under this heading to provide substantial cost-of-living relief at the petrol/diesel pump. Ukraine situation is a cause, not an obstacle to relief.

3. Self-sufficiency on power and food (so far as is possible) instead of the stupid "wilding" policy and not joining up power generation with electric cars (never mind the Victorian terraced streets).
Nothing to do with Covid nor Ukraine. Successive governments have let this one slide for decades yet Boris is going all green without a viable plan.

Also as far as I can tell Boris wants to reduce arable land through this re-wilding project. Is he mad? (Yes). With all the millions he's trying to attract to this country, how will we feed them? How is sewage systems going to cope without discharge into rivers? Nothing to do with COVID nor Ukraine.

Damien 10-06-2022 21:15
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Originally Posted by Itshim (Post 36124882)
I would be surprised if the governing party didn't lose mid term , that's the nature of the beast. Question to Labour supporters , if you think bj is so bad a vote loser ,why would you want him to go , guessing you would think he would be replaced with someone better for the country ,hence more likely to win the next general election,. This is not a defence of Him just puzzled by the thinking :confused: hole and digging comes to mind as far as BJ is concerned .
I think there are quite a few Labour supporters who don't want him to go for this reason. Labour has to say they want him out because otherwise it looks stupid but I would imagine inside Labour they are thinking they are better off with the devil they know. It's a gamble who would win the Tory Leadership and some candidates would scare them more than others.

Alternatively, they might be thinking if he goes later then a new leader might be able to run into the next election with a cleaner slate and they want the next year of economic turmoil to be inherited by the next leader.

Dave42 10-06-2022 21:29
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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36124890)
Well, he’s only received a fine for a cake ambush between meetings. Go figure.

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OMG! BBCQT! I’d love to hear your definition of objective! :p:

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Your point being…?

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Actually, this government was elected on the basis that it was the only government that would actually deliver what they wanted (ie Brexit).

Now, you may personally think that Brexit is not the right course for this country, but it was the democratic decision. You need to swallow that.

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This is getting silly now. You completely ignore the dreadful situation we have faced with Covid and the Ukraine situation. You can see the problem, so please, just acknowledge it! Clear that blind spot.

The manifesto was delayed for legitimate reasons. Judge Boris when his time is up, and bear in mind the problems he has been up against.

The manifesto is now being relaunched, so be patient.
are we only country in world that had to face covid and Ukraine war like OB come off it we second bottom of growth table because we only country in world to impose economic sanctions on ourselves and Russia is only bottom because lots of world put sanction on them

Sephiroth 10-06-2022 21:39
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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36124903)
are we only country in world that had to face covid and Ukraine war like OB come off it we second bottom of growth table because we only country in world to impose economic sanctions on ourselves and Russia is only bottom because lots of world put sanction on them
Pretty good summation of the situation.

1andrew1 10-06-2022 23:38
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It's going to be a train crash. The ERG have agreed to keep him in power if he dances to their tune. Expect an extreme bill on the Brexit agreement with the EU and more mayhem and disinvestment.

Hugh 10-06-2022 23:39
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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36124913)
It's going to be a train crash. The ERG have agreed to keep him in power if he dances to their tune. Expect an extreme bill on the Brexit agreement with the EU and more mayhem and disinvestment.
Well, we will see on Monday, when the NI Bill gets to Parliament…

Maggy 11-06-2022 09:06
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I don't care anymore. There's no one I have any faith in anymore to do the right thing apart from Rory Stewart and he's no longer an MP.:(

ianch99 11-06-2022 10:08
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36124899)
OB, you really are a piece of work. I offered these public priorities and address your remarks in-line:
Again, I commend you for telling it how it really is although I disagree on the detail of some of your points :) OB's post is something a Central Office ToryBot would be proud of

Sephiroth 11-06-2022 10:16
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36124929)
Ag''ain, I commend you for telling it how it really is although I disagree on the detail of some of your points :) OB's post is something a Central Office ToryBot would be proud of
I very much hope to bump into OB at the upcoming Wokingham Conservatives’ AGM. On the other hand, if he’s not a party member one would have to wonder why he takes his current line on Boris.

I agree with OB on a number of topics, including Brexit and much of his views on COVID. But the UK is very badly governed at the moment and OB doesn’t accept that.

Chris 11-06-2022 11:29
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36124929)
Again, I commend you for telling it how it really is although I disagree on the detail of some of your points :) OB's post is something a Central Office ToryBot would be proud of
TBH if there was ever going to be a robot rebellion it would probably start with someone asking them to give their unqualified support to Boris Johnson.

My entire adult life I have voted either Conservative, or on occasion a pro-Brexit party likely to damage the local conservative. These past few weeks I have found myself wondering whether next time I might have to make peace with a serious political alternative.

Hugh 11-06-2022 11:46
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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36124950)
TBH if there was ever going to be a robot rebellion it would probably start with someone asking them to give their unqualified support to Boris Johnson.

My entire adult life I have voted either Conservative, ...snip.... These past few weeks I have found myself wondering whether next time I might have to make peace with a serious political alternative.
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...1&d=1654944246

I have supported, voted, researched for, been an Officer (local and National), and a candidate for the Conservatives, but the current Leadership are as far removed from "Conservative" as I have ever seen in the last 50 years.

Damien 11-06-2022 12:08
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36124950)
My entire adult life I have voted either Conservative, or on occasion a pro-Brexit party likely to damage the local conservative. These past few weeks I have found myself wondering whether next time I might have to make peace with a serious political alternative.
https://www.cableforum.uk/images/local/2022/06/2.jpg

Chris 11-06-2022 12:09
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Mmm. Opportunistic Euro-federalists-R-Us. Pretty sure they’re not going to be top of my list. :D

Pierre 11-06-2022 21:29
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36124954)
I have supported, voted, researched for, been an Officer (local and National), and a candidate for the Conservatives, but the current Leadership are as far removed from "Conservative" as I have ever seen in the last 50 years.
Same can be said for Labour, they stopped being the party of the worker, many years ago.

Unfortunately U.K. politics is very poor, the standard of UK MPs is poor.

We’re not quite as bad as the US yet, where the centre ground has been abandoned and both parties headed to the edges of their spaces.

But we’re on the way.

ianch99 12-06-2022 00:19
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36124950)
TBH if there was ever going to be a robot rebellion it would probably start with someone asking them to give their unqualified support to Boris Johnson.

My entire adult life I have voted either Conservative, or on occasion a pro-Brexit party likely to damage the local conservative. These past few weeks I have found myself wondering whether next time I might have to make peace with a serious political alternative.
I appreciate your candid honesty. This is the point I have been making: the true decent Conservative voters will desert this current version of the Party because they (the voters) have a core of decency, integrity and morality. No matter how you differ on certain political positions, there is a common agreement on how how a society should be governed and this is not that.

Maggy 12-06-2022 10:05
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There's too many trying to occupy the centre position in politics..The trouble with that is all the others occupying the other extremes cancel that position out eventually.

Maybe we need to grow up and learn some give and take as a consequence.We don't seem to negotiate as much as we used to or should do.

TheDaddy 12-06-2022 14:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36125038)
There's too many trying to occupy the centre position in politics..The trouble with that is all the others occupying the other extremes cancel that position out eventually.

Maybe we need to grow up and learn some give and take as a consequence.We don't seem to negotiate as much as we used to or should do.
Maybe it's time to ditch supporting parties just because, hold them to account and drop this least worst option or ideological nonsense, they rely on core support that they don't deserve or respect so show 'em in the ballot box. I'm pretty sure I'll be voting labour for the first time ever in the next election and if they don't prove worthy of my vote they won't get it next time, simple as that

Mr K 12-06-2022 17:49
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Unless you're in one of the few marginal constituencies your vote is pretty pointless anyway thanks to our crap electoral system.

tweetiepooh 13-06-2022 09:32
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Marginals tend to be Labour/LibDem or Tory/LibDem so the only winners would be LibDem and they would then change the system so only LibDem (or similar) would ever control parliament.


I want to vote for a candidate not a party.

1andrew1 13-06-2022 09:47
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36125072)
Unless you're in one of the few marginal constituencies your vote is pretty pointless anyway thanks to our crap electoral system.
There's no perfect electoral system but the current one is designed to maintain a duopoly so huge scope to improve it if it were not for self interest.

Maggy 13-06-2022 10:23
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tweetiepooh (Post 36125097)
Marginals tend to be Labour/LibDem or Tory/LibDem so the only winners would be LibDem and they would then change the system so only LibDem (or similar) would ever control parliament.


I want to vote for a candidate not a party.
Me too but with the added ability to actually use the liar liar pants on fire bit.

Anyway I just wish that in this constituency the vast majority would ACTUALLY think about voting for a different party instead of apathetically never taking a risk.:( Or even actually voting for the actual candidate instead of the party.

No chance here though,everyone loves Fred's daughter.

1andrew1 13-06-2022 11:06
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36125103)
Me too but with the added ability to actually use the liar liar pants on fire bit.

Anyway I just wish that in this constituency the vast majority would ACTUALLY think about voting for a different party instead of apathetically never taking a risk.:( Or even actually voting for the actual candidate instead of the party.

No chance here though,everyone loves Fred's daughter.
I just don't get why people follow political parties like they follow football teams. The manifestos of the various parties change yet people still support the same party resolutely. I say treat them more like supermarkets and shop around each time.

papa smurf 13-06-2022 11:08
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Keir Starmer facing SLEAZE probe in huge blow as Labour leader flounders against Boris
SIR KEIR STARMER is facing a second investigation into his conduct after claims he failed to properly declare his outside earnings, gifts, benefits and hospitality


The Labour leader has been hit by a probe by the independent Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards Kathryn Stone.

An update on the Parliament Standards website reveals a formal review on two fronts was launched on June 8.

The first matter under investigation is stated as: "Registration of interests under Category 1 of the Guide to the Rules (Employment and earnings)."

And the second: "Registration of interests under Category 3 of the Guide to the Rules (Gifts, benefits and hospitality from UK sources)."


https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...atchdog-labour
Using his usual excuse to downplay the seriousness of the matter, Sir Keir this morning told reporters he had done nothing wrong.

TheDaddy 15-06-2022 18:45
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Lord Geidt has resigned...

1andrew1 15-06-2022 18:56
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36125424)
Lord Geidt has resigned...
Yes, just saw it too: Prime minister's ethics adviser Lord Geidt resigns
https://news.sky.com/story/prime-min...signs-12634638

I would imagine the position is largely redundant and Johnson won't seek to replace the role. ;)

daveeb 15-06-2022 19:30
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36125428)
Yes, just saw it too: Prime minister's ethics adviser Lord Geidt resigns
https://news.sky.com/story/prime-min...signs-12634638

I would imagine the position is largely redundant and Johnson won't seek to replace the role. ;)
Should be filed away in the oxymoron drawer along with the minister for Brexit opportunities job.

1andrew1 15-06-2022 21:15
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36125431)
Should be filed away in the oxymoron drawer along with the minister for Brexit opportunities job.
lol, spot on!
That latter job is rightly known as Mission Impossible!

1andrew1 16-06-2022 10:07
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Would love to see Lord Geidt's resignation letter! ;)
Quote:
Downing Street is under pressure to make public why Boris Johnson's ethics adviser has quit - as the government faces an urgent question in the Commons over his exit.

Number 10 has not published any letter from Lord Geidt to the prime minister explaining the reasons for his unexpected departure but is set to provide an update later.

Labour said the government must be open about the adviser's exit - which follows the resignation of Sir Alex Allan, his predecessor in the role, in 2020, and the resignation of the prime minister's anti-corruption champion, John Penrose, last week.

The party has tabled an urgent question on the matter.
https://news.sky.com/story/not-clear...-raab-12634781

Maggy 16-06-2022 10:34
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61822998

Quote:
The government is expected to publish a letter from Boris Johnson's former ethics adviser Lord Geidt who resigned suddenly without explanation.

Lord Geidt was known to be unhappy with the prime minister's handling of Partygate and had suggested he may have broken the ministerial code.

Critics warned No 10 that failing to release the letter would reflect badly on the government.

Downing Street is also expected to publish the PM's reply to Lord Geidt.

1andrew1 16-06-2022 12:10
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Letter published
Quote:
Geidt says he quit because PM put him in 'odious' position asking him to approve 'deliberate' breach of code

Geidt says the final straw was a request to consider a proposal that he said would be a “deliberate and purposeful” breach of the ministerial code.

He implies that Boris Johnson asked him to approve of this breach.
Letter and relevant paragraph: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...olitics-latest

papa smurf 16-06-2022 13:25
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36125469)
Letter published

Letter and relevant paragraph: https://www.theguardian.com/politics...olitics-latest
Another back stabber gone then, no rush to replace people who get upset about a slice of cake or thanking your team for a job well done.

1andrew1 16-06-2022 13:34
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36125474)
Another back stabber gone then, no rush to replace people who get upset about a slice of cake or thanking your team for a job well done.
Talk it's all about steel tariffs and Party donations from steel tycoons. We'll see.

TheDaddy 16-06-2022 14:16
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36125474)
Another back stabber gone then, no rush to replace people who get upset about a slice of cake or thanking your team for a job well done.
Exactly, why have an ethics advisor or an anti fraud tsar when you have none of one and love encouraging your chums to do the other, there will always be some useful idiot that comes along to defend your behaviour no matter how odious

1andrew1 16-06-2022 14:30
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDaddy (Post 36125480)
Exactly, why have an ethics advisor or an anti fraud tsar when you have none of one and love encouraging your chums to do the other, there will always be some useful idiot that comes along to defend your behaviour no matter how odious
Yes, how long till someone plays the false equivalence card and says Starmer's expenses are being investigated. :D

Dave42 16-06-2022 17:00
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36125474)
Another back stabber gone then, no rush to replace people who get upset about a slice of cake or thanking your team for a job well done.
has OB made you a copy of his welded on forever rose tainted tory glasses

Sephiroth 16-06-2022 17:11
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36125488)
has OB made you a copy of his welded on forever rose tainted tory glasses
... Blue rinsed rather?

1andrew1 16-06-2022 17:18
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36125488)
has OB made you a copy of his welded on forever rose tainted tory glasses
Poor old Boris can't do anything right in the eyes of you lefty remainiacs. When hard-working households are struggling with Putin-generated inflation, he's simply saving tax-payers' money by not replacing the role. :D

Besides, Boris is perfectly capable of managing his own ethics thank you very much, he doesn't need a highly-paid, unelected civil servant to do it for him. :D

GrimUpNorth 16-06-2022 21:58
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36125492)
Poor old Boris can't do anything right in the eyes of you lefty remainiacs. When hard-working households are struggling with Putin-generated inflation, he's simply saving tax-payers' money by not replacing the role. :D

Besides, Boris is perfectly capable of managing his own ethics thank you very much, he doesn't need a highly-paid, unelected civil servant to do it for him. :D
When you don't have an ethical bone in your body why would you employ someone to look after them?

1andrew1 16-06-2022 22:24
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth (Post 36125506)
When you don't have an ethical bone in your body why would you employ someone to look after them?
To take the blame for poor guidance if you get found out for crossing the line.

Hugh 16-06-2022 23:04
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36125474)
Another back stabber gone then, no rush to replace people who get upset about a slice of cake or thanking your team for a job well done.
Except this isn’t about those two things - it’s about a proposed deliberate breach of the Ministerial Code.

papa smurf 17-06-2022 08:33
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Robert Peston was forced into a grovelling apology after he falsely claimed Boris Johnson's ethics adviser quit over a plan to help firms linked to the Tories

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ked-firms.html

daveeb 17-06-2022 13:11
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36125522)
Robert Peston was forced into a grovelling apology after he falsely claimed Boris Johnson's ethics adviser quit over a plan to help firms linked to the Tories

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ked-firms.html
The fact that Johnson won't comment on why he has lost his second ethics adviser speaks volumes. Seems he has even lost his ability to attempt plausible lies these days.

Hugh 17-06-2022 15:05
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36125522)
Robert Peston was forced into a grovelling apology after he falsely claimed Boris Johnson's ethics adviser quit over a plan to help firms linked to the Tories

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ked-firms.html
Quote:
'I apologise for my inaccurate language and getting it wrong in the tweet below. I should have said 'a possible conclusion to be drawn...', not 'the only conclusion to be drawn...'

'I made a mistake, not for the first or last time. I am sorry (not for the first or last time).'
"grovelling - acting obsequiously in order to obtain forgiveness or favour."

Strange - I would have thought you, of all people, would have understood what ‘obsequious’ meant, especially in relation to the Conservative Party…

papa smurf 17-06-2022 18:46
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
For the hard of understanding
1 I do not work for the daily mail
2 I posted an article from the daily mail online i did not write it
3 it is considered rude in polite society to shoot the messenger
4 ffs get a life

---------- Post added at 18:46 ---------- Previous post was at 17:40 ----------

Starmer returns questionnaire to police investigating 'beergate' episode

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has returned a questionnaire to police investigating the so-called "beergate" episode.

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-...isode-12635823

jfman 17-06-2022 19:46
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36125563)
3 it is considered rude in polite society to shoot the messenger
:sniper:

Welcome to the party, pal.

Maggy 17-06-2022 20:42
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Boris Johnson makes second surprise visit to Kyiv after pulling out of major red wall summit at the last minute

Sky News understands that one Conservative MP at the inaugural Northern Research Group Conference was furious the prime minister did not turn up to the event, adding they were told Mr Johnson "was on the train to Doncaster" in the morning.
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...-kyiv-12635686

Possibly not the right way to keep your fellow Tory MPs on your side.

Mr K 17-06-2022 21:21
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36125584)
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...-kyiv-12635686

Possibly not the right way to keep your fellow Tory MPs on your side.
Yes, but like Thatcher at the end of her years, the further away from the UK the more popular you are. Go figure.

Hugh 17-06-2022 21:39
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36125563)
For the hard of understanding
1 I do not work for the daily mail
2 I posted an article from the daily mail online i did not write it
3 it is considered rude in polite society to shoot the messenger
4 ffs get a life[COLOR="Silver"]

---------- Post added at 18:46 ---------- Previous post was at 17:40 ----------

…snip….
For the hard of understanding
1 I am not member of the Dictionary Society
2 I posted an definition from the dictionary, i did not write it
3 it is considered rude in polite society to continually post one-sided articles from a right-wing publication then deny that you have any association with those views
4 ffs get a (balanced) life

daveeb 18-06-2022 11:34
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36125588)
For the hard of understanding
1 I am not member of the Dictionary Society
2 I posted an definition from the dictionary, i did not write it
3 it is considered rude in polite society to continually post one-sided articles from a right-wing publication then deny that you have any association with those views
4 ffs get a (balanced) life
:D especially no.3 :rolleyes:

1andrew1 18-06-2022 13:47
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggy (Post 36125584)
https://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...-kyiv-12635686

Possibly not the right way to keep your fellow Tory MPs on your side.
Is "on the train to Doncaster" a metaphor for "on his way out"? ;)

Hugh 19-06-2022 00:16
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
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This story is in the print version of the Sunday Times, but seems to have disappeared form the online version (and the Mail on Sunday online)…

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...3&d=1655594133

papa smurf 19-06-2022 07:22
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
The Labour party thanks you for your service.

---------- Post added at 07:22 ---------- Previous post was at 07:08 ----------

Feeling the heat, Sir Beergate? Starmer 'tells his preferred candidates to make plans to replace him amid fears of a Corbynite resurgence if he is fined and quits over boozy lockdown beer'

Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has asked his party to line up replacements for him in case he has to resign over a boozy lockdown curry, it has emerged.

The Labour chief promised he would resign if Durham police fine him for an alleged breach of Covid rules.

What a strange thing to do if you are "innocent" of the dirty deed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...place-him.html

Dave42 19-06-2022 12:10
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVmpez1W...g&name=900x900

papa smurf 20-06-2022 11:39
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Labour chaos as Lammy now faces SLEAZE probe days after Starmer investigation launched

The shadow foreign secretary is being probed after allegedly failing to declare financial interests worth more than £27,000.......

Mr Lammy is being investigated for four potential breaches of the MP code of conduct for offences relating to: employment and earnings; gifts, benefits and hospitality; visits outside the UK and “miscellaneous”.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...starmer-labour

Hugh 20-06-2022 14:08
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61865032

Quote:
Boris Johnson had a "minor routine operation related to his sinuses" under general anaesthetic at a London hospital on Monday morning, No 10 has said.

The prime minister had the operation at 06:00 BST and was back in Downing Street at 10:00.

A Downing Street spokesman said Deputy Prime Minister Dominic Raab would make any urgent decisions in his place.

They added that the PM's return to work would depend on how he was feeling.

However, he is expected to chair a meeting of his senior ministers on Tuesday morning and travel to a gathering of Commonwealth leaders later this week.
Totally unrelated, but trending on Twitter...

https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...7&d=1655731000

Mr K 20-06-2022 19:23
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36125736)
You're a very naughty man Hugh, but I like you ! ;)

ianch99 20-06-2022 21:17
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr K (Post 36125781)
You're a very naughty man Hugh, but I like you ! ;)
Is he 'aving it orf with Daniella Westbrook then? ;)

1andrew1 20-06-2022 21:28
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Looks like the Deputy Editor of The Times, Tony Gallagher, under whose watch the article about Carrie Johnson was removed, was friendly with Johnson.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...-a3648131.html

1andrew1 20-06-2022 21:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36125811)
Is he 'aving it orf with Daniella Westbrook then? ;)
HIGNFY has a suggestion about the operation. :D


https://www.cableforum.uk/board/atta...9&d=1655757059

Hugh 20-06-2022 23:14
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ianch99 (Post 36125811)
Is he 'aving it orf with Daniella Westbrook then? ;)
Be a bit of a blow if he was - let’s draw a line under that…

Maggy 21-06-2022 09:01
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61865032

Quote:
Boris Johnson had a "minor routine operation related to his sinuses" under general anaesthetic at a London hospital, No 10 has said.
Hmm! Rather blatant.;)

daveeb 21-06-2022 10:01
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36125838)
Be a bit of a blow if he was - let’s draw a line under that…
That had me snorting with laughter :D

ianch99 21-06-2022 11:28
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by daveeb (Post 36125854)
That had me snorting with laughter :D
As long as it is just laughter you are snorting with ;)

Damien 24-06-2022 08:24
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Rumours that Starmer will find out today if he is fined or not. If the police have waited until after the by-elections it suggests he will be.

1andrew1 24-06-2022 08:37
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36126148)
Rumours that Starmer will find out today if he is fined or not. If the police have waited until after the by-elections it suggests he will be.
They've not had his forms for very long though. Would be a big news day on top of the by-election results.

Meanwhile, Conservative Party Chairman Oliver Dowden has resigned in a 5.35am letter after the two by-election losses.
https://news.sky.com/story/double-bl...feats-12639472

Damien 24-06-2022 08:51
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
The Tories were expected to lose the two by-elections but not on the scale they did. Especially the Liberal Democrat win, the Tories had a small hope the majority was so big they could hold it but I don't think they expected for the Liberal Democrats to win so easily.

1andrew1 24-06-2022 09:14
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damien (Post 36126152)
The Tories were expected to lose the two by-elections but not on the scale they did. Especially the Liberal Democrat win, the Tories had a small hope the majority was so big they could hold it but I don't think they expected for the Liberal Democrats to win so easily.
Most of the time Tiverton seemed to be a narrow win for the Conservatives from the reports I had read, except yesterday when it looked likely it would fall.

Apparently, the Conservative candidate Helen Hurford was so convinced she would win that she had no concession speech ready! So she dashed out at 4am without making one and did not speak to the press.

denphone 24-06-2022 09:48
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Whether one likes Boris Johnson or not he is a dead man walking as these last 4 or 5 byelection defeats are very reminiscent of the John Major era..

The Conservatives need to face up to that or they are going to find it very hard to recover to win the next General Election.

Chris 24-06-2022 09:59
Re: Partygate & Beergate discussion
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 36126155)
Whether one likes Boris Johnson or not he is a dead man walking as these last 4 or 5 byelection defeats are very reminiscent of the John Major era..

The Conservatives need to face up to that or they are going to find it very hard to recover to win the next General Election.
I think the problem right now is that Boris has come to believe his own legend. The last general election victory was astonishing - of the size that is ordinarily all but impossible for an opposition to overturn in one further election. The usual expectation would be for Labour to have reduced the Tory majority in 2024 then aimed to overturn it completely in 2029.

Right now, however, the Tories seem to have forgotten that this rule of thumb can only work while the party in power is at least trying to honour all the other rules of thumb, around attempting to behave reasonably competently and accepting that major misdemeanours mandate ministerial resignations. Boris thinks he’s bulletproof and rather too many of his MPs seem to agree. If they don’t disabuse themselves of that idea pretty soon, they may find themselves making electoral history for all the wrong reasons.


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