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The local TV project has been a complete waste of time, I'm afraid.
I do believe this could have succeeded, but unfortunately those involved don't have the first clue about how this could work! |
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Good point.
It's odd to think that VM sold off VM Ireland and their 50% UKTV stake, only for Malone to buy them back. |
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The Sky EPG shows Eden HD as closing down at 6am on Monday (VM carries on as usual). I expect the test channel currently showing Eden HD with GOLD on its EPG listing to become GOLD HD. Sky Living Ireland HD recently closed down (Irish satellite viewers now receive the same feed as the UK as the EPG is now mapped to the English version). I bet that Sky are reviewing the value that they get from their own HD channels and those that they subsidise resulting, thus far, in: - Sky Living Ireland HD closing. - Eden HD closing, with the former capacity being used to create GOLD HD. I think that Eden SD and GOLD SD will eventually become FTA, with GOLD at least going onto Freeview and both going onto Freesat. What about VM as a result of these changes? Well, as it's been reported that the Irish version of Sky Living HD continues on VM Ireland, maybe we will keep Eden HD and hopefully we will get GOLD HD too. VM HD channels are line fed, so the capacity is borne by VM, so I guess it's possible that we may end up with some HD channels that Sky don't have (for a change)! I never envisaged that HD channels would be closing down in 2017!! |
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That's a shame as Eden is one of the channels that benefits most from being available in HD. Perhaps (here''s hoping) it's just moving transponder on Sky and HD will remain available on both platforms.
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Who is part of the beta trial tommorrow for the new sky cinema app
Great news! We're planning to begin the Customer Trial of the new Sky Cinema app for iPhone and iPad users from Monday 25th September and will be sending you some important information on how to get started on that day. We thought we'd give you a little advance notice but we'll send you full details as soon as the app is ready for you to download. If you have an Android device that you plan to use in the Trial we'll be sending info for that towards the end of next week |
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I think the problem with Eden is it's relatively low viewing figures.
There has been speculation for some time that Eden & Good Food would be the next (last?) UKTV channels to go FTA. Perhaps it's viewing figures are too low for either Sky or UKTV to maintain an HD variant, but the SD variant might be cost effective using a FTA business model with the increased advertising reach?? There is no benefit to broadcasters in providing HD channels as they cost more to broadcast without any extra advertising income (unless companies like VM & Sky subsidise them). As Sky & VM no longer appear to be creating/subsidising HD channels for the sake of it, I think that the less popular channels will only become HD due to 'keeping up with the neighbours' (eg the PSB channels) or when SD kit becomes obsolete. If Sky have decided that certain HD channels aren't driving up or maintaining subscriptions, then it looks like funding is being withdrawn as part of their cost cutting measures because of the cost of the football rights and stagnation of their subscriber base. Any old GOLD programming recorded on film will benefit from HD, but not stuff recorded on video. Less old material may well have been recorded in HD anyway. |
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The Eden Twitter account has responded to a person who has asked about what's going on with Eden HD on Sky and they basically said they'll look into it. But it could just be the person dealing with the social media accounts hasn't been told.
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Thanks for that, it'll be interesting to obtain something concrete.
Twenty hours ago, on the Sky forum, someone asked why it's closing down, but their post has thus far been ignored. On 4/10/17 it will be exactly five years since Eden HD was created, so I imagine that Sky have declined to renew the contract. |
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IT will be sorely missed:rolleyes:
I have never watched any program on Eden - too be fair I didn't know it existed, just another channel I have to pay for that I don't want. |
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Why the hell is Freesports still not on Virgin? Surely it shouldn't take all this time to sort out a deal for a FTA channel.
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I can't find anything related to Eden HD's closure. On the other hand, Eden, Gold and Good Food would all be welcome additions to the growing lineups of Freeview and Freesat.
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Eden is a good channel for programmes on nature and one that I would not like to see go. However, I've not seen anything to date to suggest that it will disappear from our screens other than the absence of programming listed in Sky's EPG.
The Virgin EPG suggests that all is well - full programme information there. |
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Eden HD has been removed from the Sky HD EPG and replaced by Eden on 532
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I am not surprised at this move. I watched the meet the controllers videos on YouTube from the Edinburgh festival and every time Eden was mentioned in the UKTV one it was dismissed. They even said that original commissions intended for Eden were now going to be shown on W instead. This made me think Edens days maybe numbered.
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But hey what do i know. |
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There's a lot of speculation around at the moment and ultimately, we'll see how any reorganisation of the channel structure at UKTV affects us as VM TV users. Of course, the genre is niche and doesn't attract a large audience. It's possible that Sky doesn't want to pay a share of subscription revenue to a competitor and would prefer to attract Eden viewers to the Nat Geo Wild channel, which is within the News Corporation/Fox family. Compare this with the recent situation where Sky reduced support for the Discovery group of channels. |
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Just seen a response to the post on the Sky forum about Eden HD closing. Sky are claiming its not them that's responsible for it, & is telling customers to contact UKTV
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This will happen more and more in my opinion , Discovery was the start of it however customers weren't happy at that and Sky agreed a deal.
Any of the channels receiving subscription money from Sky will be reviewed when contracts expire , I'm sure if they feel a certain channel isn't performing well with viewers they'll look to renegotiate or drop the channel. |
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we feel the following may happen. -Eden HD > Home HD (Rumours to be GOLD HD) -Eden > Drama +1 -Eden > Really +1 Virgin Media did sign deal with UKTV in June 2016. http://mediaboyblog.blogspot.co.uk/2...es-virgin.html Eden HD did launch on September 27th 2011 on Virgin Media UK: http://mediaboyblog.blogspot.co.uk/search?q=eden+hd |
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Can anybody help where is the UKTV app
“We’re delighted to be building on our leadership by giving our customers more UKTV shows than are available on any other platform. With the arrival of the UKTV Play app and the doubling of catch-up content our customers can access more of the entertainment they love in the way they want.” |
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Eden HD is still broadcasting at present off the Sky EPG. The new label that is expected to become GOLD HD isn't currently broadcasting anything, but the EPG is now showing a full 7 day EPG for GOLD. Eden HD continues to be available on VM. Is this now a VM exclusive, or do any other platforms carry it? ---------- Post added at 15:39 ---------- Previous post was at 15:34 ---------- Quote:
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It had crossed my mind that it could have been a more imaginatively titled porn channel :D |
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on the otherhand although not ideal until pic quality improves TV Player are a good alternative they are getting more channels too their latest beine Ginx esports tv strangely tv player is the only platform offering ginxtv on demand content too. Sky nor VM don't have ginxtv on demand. |
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Here is some updated info we can reveal: RED mean information updated.
1) Virgin Media UK are in talks with an broadcaster. 2) New Channels may launch (Still not testing but Media Boy Sources say rumour as set to launch by 2019). 3) Virgin Media UK are testing something - hope to launch by 2018. 4) Rumours about more new channels (Got an broadcaster name confirmed). |
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True. Re: Eden low viewing figures. I don't think that their daft renaming excercise will have helped Eden to reach its target audience either. If I was interested in gardening and quickly going through the EPG I don't think that Eden would be enough of a prompt to make me connect the channel with the subject matter. |
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@JJ20X.
We think Bike TV will be removed and the two new Asian channels will launch this week. Any news from your end? |
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Which Asian channels are launching MB?
I suppose that Bike will remain on the system (but off the EPG) to enable those who have recorded anything prior to its closure. Isn't it normally three months that they give?? |
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We did mean Bike TV being removed from Virgin UK Channel 552 - not from the system. |
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Does anyone know anything about Gold? It seems to air programmes in a similar way to Eden, so will this mean that both Gold and Eden go FTA should Gold HD launch?
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We have an idea on when the channels may launch. We have been on here for too long - it all just an rumour until THEY start broadcast off the Virgin Media UK EPG. |
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This has been discussed many times on here usually by Old Boy but with a shift to On Demand I've said many times on here that I expect over time broadcasters to reduce the amount of linear channels available in favour of moving more of its content to On Demand.
Where my opinion differs from OB is that I don't believe we'll see the death of linear more a streamlining of it with easy access to each broadcasters On Demand portal. |
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I think that there's a possibility that GOLD SD might go FTA, but I'm almost certain that GOLD HD will be exclusive to Sky (at least initially) and remain behind a paywall.
GOLD's 25th birthday is coming up; what better way to create a fanfare by declaring it's going HD (and for Sky to be able to announce that it's only available on their platform)? If this comes to fruition, Sky customers will have lost a linear channel where HD can really be appreciated, in return for a channel that shows a lot of SD material. I suppose this is the inevitability of living in a free market capitalist economy! |
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Anybody who was on the sky cinema beta where you can download movies, issue from yesterday has been sorted so now you on beta you should be able to download movies
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Another possibility is really and home merge into one channel and Eden and yesterday merge into one too this would free up 2 slots on freeview that uktv own and could possibly launch eden+1 and really+1. ---------- Post added at 12:25 ---------- Previous post was at 12:23 ---------- Quote:
But they did add viceland woop. :sarcastic |
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Documentaries as a whole attract around 13-15% of the overall audience. Further divide that into History, Science, Nature etc and the figures start to get fairly low. Then bear in mind that there are several broadcasters competing for the audience within each segment. Not really the mass appeal needed to thrive in the FTA market. |
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UKTV closing the HD version of Eden on Sky has nothing to do with any of their channels going FTA, especially Gold. |
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There are no solid facts to indicate that UKTV will be making any more of its pay tv channels FTA in the short term. That said, previous re-organisation within UKTV, such as the closure of Blighty have concluded with the launch of new FTA channels such as Drama. One to watch but, at the moment, rumours are simply rumours. |
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Just my opinion but I don't think GOLD will go FTA.
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Just goes to show that this policy is fundamentally flawed. The reason they named Dave in such a way was because UKTV- believe that "everyone knows someone called Dave"!! ---------- Post added at 15:11 ---------- Previous post was at 15:09 ---------- Quote:
I also think that we won't get GOLD HD straight away as it will be a Sky exclusive. Edit: GOLD HD is now broadcasting off the Sky EPG, it's been said that the upscaled SD material looks rather good. |
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Eden HD is still broadcasting on Virgin UK Channel 249. ---------- Post added at 19:09 ---------- Previous post was at 18:02 ---------- Nick Jr Too cooking with Bacon next month. Nick Jr Too rebrands temporarily as Nick Jr Peppa from October 2nd until November 1st. |
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Speaking of changes.. I've been informed that "Sky Ocean Rescue HD" has been added to TS ID 39 SID 3904 and that frequency changes have taken place on several VM regional networks*. That update is from raw scan data, no doubt I'll be given further information over the next few hours / days as soon as it has been processed. *Edit: frequency changes for networks served by the Barnsley & Brighton headends. |
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Maybe an Virgin Media Exclusive?;) Only thing we can find on Sky Ocean Rescue is: https://skyoceanrescue.com/ |
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I found that site too but it doesn't really help. I'll try to extract some information from the raw scan data later tonight as it doesn't look like processed data will be updated any time soon. Too close to the end of the month for adhoc updates apparently. |
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https://forums.digitalspy.com/discus...ead-week-38/p5 (See top post on Link) DS Forum reporting it broadcasting on an HD channels transponder Source: Digital Spy Forum, jimbo and omnidirectional. ---------- Post added at 23:14 ---------- Previous post was at 23:08 ---------- New name for Sky2? |
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They water bill must be high.:D |
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Let's hope that this leads to the addition of another Sky channel concerned with Oceans :D ---------- Post added at 02:45 ---------- Previous post was at 00:48 ---------- Bike now removed from the EPG. |
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Rishtey Cineplex has launched on channel 828. MTV Beats has launched on channel 841. |
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Seen the sky q advert where they say they have the widest range going like sport movies documentaries but since they don’t allow anybody else access they will automatically have widest range
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Any latest on Freesports?
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The Ocean channel is encrypted on satellite, which seems odd if it is indeed an excercise by Sky to raise awareness of sea pollution. |
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As pack flags hadn't been added at the time of the scan, it suggests that encryption hadn't been added at that point. Not that it really matters as it was only available on 5 internal networks. I've not received any new scan data at this point but a quick check of http://www.digitalbitrate.com/dtv.ph...ng=fr&mux=C066 indicates that video and audio has now been added across the national network but that it isn't encrypted at this point. Edit: I've just been informed that video / audio streams were rolled out across the national network at some point yesterday and that encryption has subsequently been added. |
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Anyone else finding that RishteyCine isn't showing up in the international section?
Ch 828 only shows up in the full EPG listings :confused: |
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Interesting that "Entertainment" isn't actually selectable as a category on the EPG. |
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I think that Sky have a general entertainment section from what I remember. Mickey & Pals closed this morning and reverted back to Disney XD +1. |
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