Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

It did in Ireland IIRC.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

You are clutching at hopeful straws Mr K.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

There will not be another referendum, the PM has already said this numerous times, she said it again in PMQ's on Wed, after it emerged Tony Bliar and a few other far reaching yesteryear personalities said they would champion a case for a new one, it is NOT going to happen and why should they be another one? One is enough and it is final - we are leaving the corrupted pile of crap, why people want to stay in corruption is bloody beyond me.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Single market access.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Not interested.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Freedom to work where I want in Europe
Freedom to live where I want in Europe
Freedom to travel where I want in Europe

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Emigrate to 'Europe'?

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Yeah but some people are, which is why they would want to stay. :p:

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

erm, brexit?:rolleyes:

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

You will still be able to do that. I just might involve a little more paperwork :shrug:

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

And if one goes on holiday in Europe after Brexit there is likely to be a small fee added on as well as l hear one will have to get a temporary visa which will cost about a tenner.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Yes because there is so many interesting worthwhile places to live/work in Europe. Must pack my bags tomorrow. :rolleyes:

But oh no, most like to travel here, you know to 'handout' Benefit Britain.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

How would a referendum on the terms of Brexit work?what questions would you ask ? how many questions would you ask? would the voters even understand what is being asked? because i certainly don't know anything about trade deals ,import ,export rules and the like ,it's a ridiculous notion.

---------- Post added at 14:13 ---------- Previous post was at 14:08 ----------

not really helped us much over the years ,the single market really only benefits those reliant on Europe ,as a net contributor the single means diddley squat to us .

---------- Post added at 14:14 ---------- Previous post was at 14:13 ----------

You can still have all that ,as you could before the single market

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

The main focus of the Brexit terms has to be trade.
Anything else is secondary. Free movement of labour is different to free movement for travel.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

take it up with your sovereign government regarding the easy hand-outs, that's down to them not Europe, benefits are better abroad but you do have to work for them

perhaps that's why 1.2 million like myself have worked in Europe and done those "interesting" things you so easily dismissed but why open your eyes at this time eh?

according to the several versions of vote leave scriptures, contradictory views of leave MPs and the ingredients of this can of snake oil, apparently I can!!

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Please don't talk at me as if I have never traveled before. Believe me I have and a lot further than Europe, I can tell thee ! But no thanks, I like to travel much further afield, far more interesting places, natural wonders and what not beyond the European Continent.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Why would traveling or working in Europe post brexit be any more difficult than traveling or working anywhere else in the world.Honestly the way some people go off one would think that Europe is the whole of the world and the UK is exiting the world :rolleyes:

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

You show me where it's legally binding and final, Oh yes, it isn't.......

---------- Post added at 14:31 ---------- Previous post was at 14:29 ----------

TBF no different from the US ESTA scheme & the Turkish EVisa.

Even as a devout remainer, I don't see this as a biggy

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

So what ,we do not run this country by referendum .The last referendum was specifically for the government to ascertain the publics feelings on leaving Europe ,they now know what those feelings are and will act accordingly .The result does not need to be legally binding .What you are asking is for referendums to be held until the right answer is reached,what happens if another one is held and a vote to remain is reached ,do we leave or stick by the first result or have another referendum ? .The result is final ,there will be no more referendums on Europe and nor should there be

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

good for you, im all for more freedom of travel, work and living, you get my vote

No its not

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

That is how l see it Mr M.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

why isn't it

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I have traveled further than Europe too but Europe has some amazing places as well. Cities and natural wonders. The Norwegian Fjords for example. I think we underestimate how much we have on our doorstep here. So much only a few hours away. This is true irrespective of the referendum though, just as a general comment. :D

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Oh, here it comes, the boring legally binding chestnut, tired of hearing of it actually.

Yes, it was advisory, but the government is insisting we're leaving, as we know they want to set the motion to leave by end of March next year, but some pathetic remoaners who cannot accept democracy, want to argue all they can about the decision to try and knock it off course and drag it through litigation.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

why would the result of a second referendum be any more valid than the first

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

because

a) facts in post referendum brexit world are apparently irrelevant
b) Tony Blair said so

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Why stop at a second, hell, let's have a third and if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another?And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another?And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? And if we don't like that result, can we have another? :angel:

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

If your going to defend a position try and have some reasonable answers

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

On this forum, it's Bliar !

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Even if there is a second and the outcome is the same we know that the usual suspects will still claim it's not valid. There'll be more excuses, more whining, more claims of foul play until they get their way at which point you can bet there'll be no way back and suddenly referenda will be a very bad idea. That's how interested these people are in democracy. They only appreciate it when it yields what they want.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

So, not final then at all.


Due legal process is pathetic? Surely, you want it to be done properly rather than taking a slapdash approach? A democratic decision does not always equate to a legal mandate.

I'm a 'remoaner' as you like to call them, does that make me pathetic?

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Yes, if it would be your intention to drag the decision out via litigation. READ the sentence again in it's whole context and don't misquote me again.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I'm not so sure on this.

My main issue with the vote to exit is we have no idea what sort of deal we can/will negotiate with the EU

I personally would have had it the following

1st referendum to see if the interest of leaving the EU was there.
2nd referendum based on the terms of exit negotiated

2nd Referendum to be binding.


I personally think, voting to leave without having any idea of the terms that would be imposed on us or that we can negotiate is quite simply utter lunacy

That said, I can appreciate if not fully understand why some people are so desperate to leave.

---------- Post added at 15:23 ---------- Previous post was at 15:20 ----------

I haven't misquoted you at all. Since this is not bolded I'll assume it's up for debate.

I'll rephrase the question.

I back, no in fact I welcome the fact that the governments attempts to push through and invoke Article 50 have been challenged in the courts and that so far the courts have decided the government are wrong. Does this make me pathetic ?

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I said in my earlier post, 'some' key word right there, 'some', pathetic remoaners want to drag this out through litigation, you have not done this, although are in full support of it. In that case, what the hell are you after ? A Label/sticker ? If so then yeah, feel free to be pathetic. That satisfy you ? :rolleyes:

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Only if you are a child ..

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

No, I'm trying to distinguish on what makes you think a remoaner is pathetic.

The sentence above clarifies that it's the people who've taken the action rather than the people who support it are pathetic. It was that that i didn't get first time. So, thanks for the clarification.


Not so sure why you need to use :rolleyes: ?

---------- Post added at 15:39 ---------- Previous post was at 15:36 ----------

As an additional, I wonder why the government refuses to disclose what if any 'sweetners' were offered to Nissan to convince them to remain if/when the exit happens.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Rubbish !!! Tell that to my friend, who lost his child, in the Iraq War that should not have been !!!

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Bloody hell we agree on something.....:erm::D

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

You are missing the point: the name calling is childish. The fact that he lied is a seperate discussion.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

To be fair the name calling is significant as it's based on his alleged lies. There is a justification whilst at the same time it can be construed as juvenile. People will use it to demonstrate the loathing they feel towards the man that led us to what a lot of people deem an illegal war.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Where does this end? Once you start down this road then it just ends up in endless playground name calling: Bliar, Crooked Hillary, etc.

If you think Blair lied, then just say Blair lied ...

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Not missing any point thanks and that is your opinion, one I don't even remotely agree with. Changing his surname via one letter is not name calling, it is a categorization of reference to his stance, that led to what is considered, an illegal war !

If you don't like it, guess what ?

Tough.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Presumably going by that you're okay with being called Michael now to then :)

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I am not asking you to agree with anything. People can make their own minds up on the name calling ...

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Not sure what the 'going by' means, Michael is my full name of course but I am known as Mick on here, not many people call me by my full name any more and I don't want to be known by it on here.

Of course, if people want to ignore this, fine by by me, but equally, I have the same right to ignore someone entirely, who doesn't refer to me by the name I known by on here. Works both ways.

Bliar is deserving of his change of name for far more reaching and justifiable reasons.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

How would that work then ? i simply don't see how you think that could possibly work ,what would the voters be voting on ?

---------- Post added at 19:02 ---------- Previous post was at 18:58 ----------

Yes it's final ,it doesn't need to be legally binding to be final .The decision has been made it is final and you can keep grasping at straws all you like but we are leaving Europe

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Should Britain accept the terms of the Brexit settlement?

I guess voting 'No' would mean revoking Article 50 but we don't know if it's possible, alternatively it could leave things in limbo and send the government back to the EU to get a better deal. Not a likely or ideal scenario though.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I think it the most ridiculous scenario i ever heard of

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Out of all the unlikely scenarios a vote on the terms of the deal is the most likely though. It would essentially be a rerun of the first referendum except with a more precise idea what Leave is. It's unlikely because I can't see the political case for it, how it would occur, but the concept itself isn't that mad.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

No it's not final at all in the slightest, if the courts uphold the decision, and MP's vote against invoking Article 50 then it doesn't happen

Whilst it's unlikely it is possible.

---------- Post added at 20:13 ---------- Previous post was at 20:10 ----------


a) let's leave Europe without knowing how it will affect us, or what it means for the country
b) let's make a decision to leave Europe based on factual evidence of what lies ahead for the country, it's people & it's economy.

I know which scenario is ridiculous, and it's not B

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

The way things are going I think the Gov will cancel out the referendum and keep us in the EU.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Seems the people that had no clue about the referendum were the remain supporters every leave voter i know including me knew what we wanted when we voted leave and that was complete exit from the EU in every way. I also don't want to hear remain supporters using democracy as a justification because they are not democrats or supporters of democracy in the slightest after calling for another vote to nullify the last one and if we had a second vote and it didn't go their way they would find a reason for a third and a fourth and on and on we'd go till we voted the right way.

Cameron the coward knew exactly what he was doing by quitting instead of keeping to his word and he is every bit as bad as boris and gove all three were in it for their own ends no matter how much damage it did.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Well of course, but they can't admit that yet ! A lot of politicians from all sides aren't being straight on this; they are too worried about votes at the next election to say what they really think at the moment.

I did the old fashioned thing of writing to my MP on the issue. He's a Tory, but non the less a fairly reasonable bloke (!) He was on the remain side of the argument, and indeed his constituency voted to remain (being an educated place ;) ) But ever since the Referendum he's suddenly changed sides - my argument is he should represent his constituents views (and his own). However he seems to be more interested in his career (he's a junior minister) and not upsetting she who must be obeyed.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

You've only got to look at this thread to know your assumption that leave voters knew what they wanted is false, of the top of my head we've had people voting leave as a protest vote, wrongly thinking it'd mean we'd leave the echr, wrongly thinking that delays in doctors appointments is due to migrants, getting away from eu rules but overwhelmingly it's due to migration, very few I've seen state it's because they want to leave the single market

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

They can't admit it because there is no intention to do it despite what some may want but lets just think about it for a minute if this government were stupid enough to ignore the vote the trouble that would cause in this country not least that it couldn't call itself a democracy with a straight face again. I've always said there was no way I'd be a Ukip voter but now i know oneway that i would vote for them and that is if the referendum wasn't acted on now imagine all the others who'd feel the sameway and voted for Ukip if remainers really want less damage to the Uk might want to have a long hard think on what's more damaging.

Yes and we had people voting remain because they thought if we left no more ibiza holidays and that they wouldn't be able to use their mobiles abroad there was plenty of silly reason voting on both sides but the vast majority voted leave wanting to completely leave.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I doubt it is the vast majority and given how close the vote was it might have been a good idea to ensure people didn't vote based on wrong information. Sad thing is if we have a do over which incidentally I don't think I'm in favour of I doubt much in either campaign would change

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

No both sides would go straight back to rubbish campaigning and the country can become even more divided but as far as some are concerned any price is worth paying as long as we vote the right way which of course is their way.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

The problem is the EU wants to be a United States I mean do you really want the UK to be known as a state rather than an independant country because that is the way the EU wants to go.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

The whole federal europe aspect was the biggest factor in the people i know they have no desire to be a region subservient to brussels and to lose our say in pretty much every aspect. There is no doubt where the EU is heading if it continues to exist and it's a destination only the europhiles want to go to.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

The court case is not about whether A50 is invoked ,it is about who invokes it ,Parliament or the government .Just about every MP to a man has stated that the will of the people will be upheld so it is final ,definite and going to happen.You are clearly grasping at straws in the hope that some miracle will allow us to remain in Europe ,there isn't one we are leaving ,you need to move on

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Perhaps the uneducated of this country will teach the educated what it means to be Sovregn and Independant and flourish as a country.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Who is saying those who voted for Brexit are uneducated? and who says those who voted to stay in Europe are educated? as that one suspects that is a stereotypical view that does not stand up to any scrutiny at all.:)

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ucated-old-an/

The Torygraph doesn't lie Den. Time will tell but I suspect a lot of people will end up feeling misled.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

An interesting use of statistics. I wonder why it didn't include areas where immigrants are now in the majority, eg. Blackburn, Burnley, Padiham, Birmingham et al, who are also entitled to vote and still voted leave? Then again most of those immigrants have been here for over a generation so I suppose they don't count for statistical purposes.

Perhaps if the "educated" areas of the country took thier fair share of immigrants then it could no longer be cited as an issue that only the "uneducated" are concerned with.

Would you accept that NIMBY= Educated? I'm sure it could be proved statistically.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Immigrants do not make up the majority of people in the towns and cities you mention.
The cities with high proportions of immigrants like London voted to remain.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

It was never said they were uneducated - an extensive exit poll carried out by Lord Ashcroft's polling organisation showed a large % of those who said they had voted for Brexit also stated they hadn't undertaken Further or Higher Education; rags like the Sun, Mail, and Express twisted this into saying Remainers saying Brexiteers were uneducated.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

The Telegraph begs to differ.

OK you know best how about an excessively large proportion of immigrants? Most are now 2nd or 3rd generation so have as much right to be here as anyone else yet those areas still voted Brexit.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Strange - I thought it agreed with me when it stated Which is the same as not undertaking Further or Higher Education...:confused:

It is their ham-fisted (or provocative, like the Sun, Mail, Express) way of interpreting what was said...

Here's the actual source data

http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2016/06...voted-and-why/

And it states Please note there is nothing the source material about uneducated/no education, just a statement of fact about which stage in the education ladder people had ended their education.

btw, for those who keep stating that immigration wasn't important in the Brexit vote, the polls showed it was the 2nd most important reason for all Brexit voters. ]

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Agreed.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

A majority of people in these areas voted to leave the EU and that's their right. It would be interesting to see the immigration figures for these areas compared to the vote remain areas which are said to have high immigration rates.

One reason for these areas voting remain was that Asian communities were targeted by the Vote Leave campaign as it suggested a reduction in EU immigration would assist immigration from the Indian sub-continent.
https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...aurants-brexit

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

trying to curry favour from the referendum eh ;)

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I see what you did there ;)

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

:D It's a hot topic. ;)

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I'm uneducated, it's not my fault. I blame the government!

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

You sure it's not down to Brexit? ;)

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Most cetainly not! I was uneducated before we even went in!:D

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Well done. Seems on this forum most would blame immigrants or the EU.

Convenient scapegoats for our own failings, and I look forward to seeing who our politicians blame for our problems when we leave the EU, as we're almost certain to.

India have told us to get lost as far as a trade deal goes without liberalising immigration policies.

Our economy is doing well despite the allegedly massive drag of being in the EU and the Single Market.

Anyone would think that perhaps the best idea is to not mess with things and carry on as we are, as it's clearly a formula that's working.

Note: For those 'expert' types, there are massive structural issues in the UK economy. These are nothing to do with the EU and our leaving the EU's only impact on them is negative, in that it throws a whole bunch of other problems into the mix to try and solve.

A 'hard' Brexit will hurt. A lot. There is absolutely no evidence to indicate it will do anything other than hurt our economy. While evidence is not something that people seem to pay attention to it's worth mentioning. The OBR forecasts, and it's worth mentioning this is an institution born solely to be politically independent, are if anything optimistic if the UK does leave both Single Market and the customs union. These not the same thing despite the nonsense that the leave side are peddling.

Few things quite put the nonsense into context quite like that 'Leave means leave' are advertising what the UK might do with the 10 billion a year 'EU windfall' while the OBR as forecasting that Brexit will leave a multi-billion pound a year hole in the UK's finances.

Still if people want to carry on deluding themselves Leave.eu are only happy to carry on lying to them. After all, they have been doing it successfully for months, why change a winning formula?

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Quite a few of us have stated here that brexit will not be a fix for all and that there will be a period of hardship as we re-establish things as they were before the EU and also a few punitive measures from the EU. I can't argue with some people blaming everything on immigrants and whilst not completely true it's also not completely untrue in some areas and in regard to some migrant communities. Right now the debate seems to be being handled by extremes from both sides who don't represent the majority.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Talking of the OBR forecast, here's a good sound bite for a Political Campaign :)

Brexit will cost £58.7bn. Let's spend it on the NHS instead

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2016/11/13.jpg

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I need time to pay.

Will £350million a week do?

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I never progressed higher than A Level.

However, I've never stopped being educated - it's my responsibility to learn more, not anyone else's to teach me.

I take personal responsibility for my learning and education- I refuse to devolve that to others.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Dropped out before I'd finished a year of university, however am funding an MSc.

Not cheap but if you want the knowledge, skills and opportunities that it provides you have to be prepared to pay for them, and have to show you have the ability and aptitude to pursue the course.

Like many other things, something you have to do for yourself as no-one else will.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

It was a tongue in cheek comment in reply to Igni due to my typo's. Also a bit of a dig at Mr K.

As Kenny Everett would have said "All in the best possible taste!"

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Agree - self-funded my M.Sc, but dropped out after a year, as I found no practical application for what was being taught, but thing are better now 20 years on.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Education never stops for most people as I've grown older I've learned new skills some trivial some more involved but a constant drip drip of skills as my life changes. Academically few of them would qualify as skills but academic achievement is not the be all and end all and not all education is necessarily academic in nature, that's why i don't like people being judged based on perceived standards and prefer judging people on what they do and how they think. A good idea doesn't cease to be a good idea if the person who has it misspells words describing that idea or cannot give the mathmatical formulations that make it good.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Mine is an outstanding one, internationally renowned, with the price tag to match.

As no-one else is going to fund such things falls to me.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I dropped out of a tech degree with the OU back in the 80's but then again, I'm uneducated so it's no surprise.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Agreed - but using 'educated' as an insult leads to the dumbing down of society, and denigrates those who spend time learning and feeding back value (such as teachers, doctors, engineers, etc.) being devalued.

---------- Post added at 01:18 ---------- Previous post was at 01:16 ----------

Who, besides yourself, has called you uneducated?

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

But I must be uneducated, Mr K says so as I voted Brexit.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Regrettably that's where we are. Being educated is considered something of a negative characteristic. Personal experience is where it's at now, even when that experience has no bearing on basically anything.

Perhaps this was the inevitable progression of how our careers progressed, based around technical and procedural experience. It somehow morphed into the experience of simply being alive, whether exposed to anything that actually broadened knowledge base or not, being superior to an education.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Passive-aggressive, much?

As has been previously stated, this was a misinterpretation of a poll finding put forward by the tabloid press - if you wish to label yourself this way, it is a victim complex writ large...

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Yeah the rest of this thread really glows with you caring what Mr K thinks about anything.

---------- Post added at 01:24 ---------- Previous post was at 01:23 ----------

We are in a genuinely fascinating situation where people label themselves as 'winners' while simultaneously running on a victim complex. Can you think of a precedent for this?

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I don't label myself as anything. Enough of Mr K I think he's got the message.

I don't have a victim complex either.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Yes there is a section of society that views any sort of education as a negative but it's not a large section no matter how loud it might be and there is a section that believes the queen is a lizard. We are too complex a society to be broken down so easily no matter how hard our media tries. The worst thing about brexit has been the infighting amongst us that it's lead too and the division that is getting greater and mostly instigated by individuals with their own agenda and zero concern or interest in any of us.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

All I did was point to the Telegraph article which showed that those areas with higher education levels voted to Remain. Positive or negative, its a fact. It doesnt make a leave vote less valid, but maybe many have been ill-informed by a rubbish negative campaign - from both sides. The words 'stupid', 'uneducated' weren't used.

Brexiters do seem paranoid and very defensive. You have to live with it now, you are what responsible for what happens, so don' t blame others. You can't even blame politicians from all sides who mostly advised to Remain, and warned of the consequences.

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Ah, a post-truth joke .. nice :)

---------- Post added at 09:49 ---------- Previous post was at 09:41 ----------

Brexit is now quasi-religious: I don't want to hear facts because I have Faith ..

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

Spot on, the way they have acted you would of thought they simply forgotten they got the result they wanted

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

sorry for the wait been praying in front of the brexit bus

What a friend we have in brexit
All our sins and griefs to bear
And what a privilege to carry
Everything to brexit in prayer

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

I'm sure any concern isn't about the outcome of the referendum, it's more to with the constant whining from those who're now undermining and challenging the result by such means as demanding second referendums etc. etc. etc. We now even have the likes of Blair surfacing from beneath his very well appointed stone to join the anti exit clamour from the likes of Farron, the SNP, John Major. That's what I believe those Brexiteers who are 'moaning' are doing so in respect of. Unless it's escaped your attention, no 'result' has been obtained yet and until the matter's done and dusted there's going to be the distinct feeling that somehow the will of the majority who voted in the referendum to get out of the EU and the free movement of people is going to be subverted. It's no wonder really though since there's history when it comes to the EU and the results of referenda being overturned of is that just another unfounded Brexiteer moan?

Re: Post-Brexit Thread
 

In front of the bus? Pity it didn't run you over .. no .. wait .. you don't know what direction it is going in do you? :)