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Fair enough. I think we should look at automatic registration though. I assume there is a reason we need to register to vote, probably so the Government know where we are, but it seems a bit odd.

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Be very careful what you wish for. I think you'll get your wish soon. I believe there will come a day and it's not too far away when we will all be chipped at birth and all your information will be on that chip. Much as I disagree with that concept it's going to happen like it or not. Then it doesn't matter if you move around as things like voting registration would be programmed into that chip. They already tag babies now so the next step is the chip. They do it with pets already.

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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/at...8&d=1465459571

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Getting people to register is only one aspect of the voting problem. Far too many have no idea what they're voting for or such a blinkered, ignorant view you wonder what world they live in. Presumably the one featured on a 4" screen. :rolleyes:

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Indeed they seem to take it everywhere with them nowadays and l mean everywhere..

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EXACTLY!

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At least you're honest about it eh?... ;)

Seriously I don't have a problem with it apart from the fact that it sets yet another precedent for moving deadlines because some folks simply can't get their act together, whether it be filing their tax returns at the last minute or registering to vote. At some point we have to say 'tough', too late, learn the lesson and be more organised next time.

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My 17 yo sister would vote to stay in. Her reasons? 'Because I love this chocolate and it is only available in the EU so I won't be able to buy it if we leave'.

Honestly, if that is the kind of reasons for people voting to stay or leave, then God help this country when that generation run to be PM of the UK.

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Sadly you can't educate some people - young and old. It'd be nice if everyone actually made an effort to understand the basics before voting in any election but it's not going to happen. If you ask a lot of young people they don't even know who the PM and leader of the opposition are and you'd have thought they more than anyone have the means and the reason to find these things out if only they cared enough to do so.

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No. It helps with your credit rating and your finances per se. It is difficult to get credit if you are no on the register. The Government don't know where you are just because you are registered to vote. They only know that once every 10 years when we have a census.

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http://news.sky.com/story/1709166/br...rue-nhs-claims


A leading Brexit supporter has defected to the Remain camp, saying she cannot support a campaign she "knows to be untrue".

Switching sides, Tory MP Sarah Wollaston hit out at Vote Leave's claim that leaving the EU would give the NHS an extra £350m a week, which is written across the side of their battle bus.

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Methinks you'll need to have a wee chat with her about the EU and it's implications. Give her both sides if you can and let her decide then. At least that's one remain vote that they won't get. LOL!

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That would be nice, however, you either like politics or you don't.

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Odd that it's taken her so long to come to that conclusion and that it's apparently the only factor in her choice.

She might disagree with the figure quoted and/or the tactic(s) being used but does any of that alter the fundamental argument for staying or leaving? Evidently not for her...

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In fairness she complained about the figure weeks ago and went off the campaign radar after that.

Why she would defect to the other campaign is odd however.

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High profile defection, not. Don't think I've even heard of her.:shrug:

So the overall figure after what comes back to the UK is more like £150m a week and given that we may chose not to replace some EU funding from the £350m a week the saved money could be more. Hardly chicken feed and could still be spent on the NHS. Her argument for changing her POV seems vacuous. More likely she's been "got at" by remain's attack machine.


They will once everybody is chipped. ;)

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I see shares in Tin Foil suppliers and sellers are rising... :D

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He finally got onto the site and almost finished the process first time around. All sorted on the second try. He said it kept on stalling and page changes were very slow.

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She was probably feart for her job in the Tory Party more like. Yes it's a strange reason to vote remain I must admit. You either believe in the EU and all it's faults or you don't.

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Give it up Hugh. They're onto us. I knew leaving all those clues around was a bad idea.

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Well it would. There must be thousands trying in case it crashes again.

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Can't see how any fair minded people from either side can object to allowing more people to vote. The extra voters can vote for either side ..

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I don't object to them given more time to register it's the fact they have had months to prepare for this and could have done it a lot sooner. I hope they all vote Leave!!

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We're told that the pro EU youngsters can't be bothered vote anyway so why would they want to register?

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The President of the European Commission in all his glory. Drunk, indiscreet, undiplomatic and rambunctious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPgiI46FCDU

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Fair question but according to the stats they are registering. Doesn't mean they'll vote or some of them at least. Depends on what new game is out or phone is out or their social life. I couldn't been a teenager these days. When I went drinking I could get drunk on £2. and still get a chippy on the way home. Now our club is £2 a pint.

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The other point is that any rebate or contribution from the EU is at their discretion and we cannot decide how it is spent ,plus other contributions to the EU are rising

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Don't panic. I'm certain that, despite the various threats and insults (veiled and otherwise) levelled at the UK over the years, the EU has our best interests at heart and will ensure our money is spent in the best possible manner for our own good. Who better to know what we want than those whose aim is to tell us...

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Are you serious ? she has gone against everything she said a while back when Cameron came back with his now famous crappy deal

This is what she said

"the prime minister has returned with a threadbare deal that has highlighted our powerlessness to effect institutional change"

and

"the balance of our national interest now lies outside the EU".

No scruples there more like blatant hypocrisy given this is what she had to say in the Guardian in February

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...rope-refrendum

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Maybe she's had one of Cameron's epiphanies... :rolleyes:

As for the economy diving, just wait for Greece to implode and the resulting domino effect across S. Europe to see how the EU's economy dives, taking us with it. Now it's obvious why we'd want to be shackled to all that isn't it... :rofl:

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Can you find one for Boris? Shouldn't be too hard ..

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Project Fear has hit a new low by 2 former Prime Ministers telling those in Northern Ireland that leaving the EU would lead to the break up of the UK and that the troubles could return to said country. They also claim it will trigger another referendum on Scottish independence. (See today's news on BBC..) This has been described by those in NI as very dangerous talk. Just how low are Remain prepared to go to win this vote?

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I also heard that In-supporters, have exhausted the In Campaign's stocks of Blinkers and Rose Tinted Glasses ;)

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I know, I know..

We had things then you don't have nowadays - rickets, diphtheria, asbestosis, Hitler...


Ahhhhh, the good old days.... :D

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I thought that was because the Brexiteers had bulk purchased them, in place of any detailed plans.... ;)

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....smallpox, polio, whooping cough, sherbet dabs, cold war...

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And two world wars..

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The good old days :)

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About the same as Leave. They are both as bad as each other ..

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We can't produce detailed plans for something that has never been done before! :shrug:

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Somehow I think the EU is more likely to help create WWIII than prevent it. We'll see whether they've learned anything much from the Ukraine situation in due course.

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Quite.

Whatever option is taken as a result of the referendum there is NO certainty. HMG, with supposedly the best minds working on forecasts etc. is constantly getting its predictions wrong so let's not pretend that anything's certain other than death, taxes and duplicitous politicians. Can they say with any certainty what's going to happen in the EU/Eurozone over the next months/years? Clearly not so let's not pretend anyone can be certain of anything except what we know has happened to date.

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Brilliant! Thank you ..

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What is there to learn? Ukraine was caught between two nations and many inside in Ukraine did not want closer ties with Russia, maybe remembering the last time, and closer ties with Europe. Now that's not a great divide to have in a country but it's not the EU's fault that people desired to be closer to Europe politically than Russia. The deal from the EU was not accession but a association agreement although even if it was to begin accession talks it would still be the decision of the Ukrainian people.

It was Russia who attempted to subvert that and it was eventually Russia again who invaded Ukraine and took over the Crimean Peninsula.

As far as I can see the only fault of the EU is entering talks with Ukraine against the will of Russia.

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Russia made it clear over twenty years ago Damien when communism fell for the west not to expand to it's border's and that it wanted a buffer between them and NATO. Both NATO and the EU agreed at the time but have chosen to ignore it and advance ever eastward what did they expect it was a stupid move on both parties and the people suffering for it are ukrainians. Like it or not both NATO and the EU are responsible for heightening tensions in that area and if Russia was intending to be more aggressive well good job western alliances you really outflanked them.

The EU doesn't respect independent sovereign nations it views them as an impediment to the creation of the federal superstate and that's not opinion it's been said many different times by many EU representatives not quite as bluntly as I put it but the intention is the same. I have no particular love for Russia and certainly not for Putin but if we are so damn stupid to hand Russia excuses then I have to question those making decisions in the EU and NATO as they clearly are not capable.

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http://news.sky.com/video/1709623/ar...ing-350m-to-eu

Remember members, this is OUR TAX MONEY. that goes to the EU

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And the reason why people cannot get to register, is simply shocking. And that its down to IT gone mad.

If we cannot work it, and we have great technology, then we might as well give up. We have major companies in this country, and then cannot fix it.

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Huh? Blaming the EU for Putin invading Ukraine, Georgia, etc. :dunce: Maybe they shot down the plane over the Ukraine?

Sounds like appeasement to me ..

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How can you claim that the EU doesn't respect sovereign nations in the same two paragraphs as you completely ignore Ukraine's wishes in favour of Russia? It should be up to the people of Ukraine what they want no? It may not be smart geopolitically granted but the fault of that is Russian aggression.

It was Russia who infringed on the sovereignty of Ukraine, not the EU.

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Whose winning the debate? Brexiters on Twitter are saying it's Brexit but Remainers are saying it's Remain. I am really confused.

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It isn't appeasement a whole raft of agreements were made after the collapse of the U.S.S.R and one was no expansion by the west up to the borders of Russia and we have totally reneged on that as we thought we could do it and get away with it. Russia is no saint in all this but did we really have to hand them a perfect excuse which is exactly what we did. As to your point Damien they only respected Ukraine while they were grooming them for entry into the EU once in they would have been treated like any other member of the EU independent and sovereign only as long as it doesn't become inconvinient or interfere with the grand federal plan.

Everything that has gone on since the start of this referendum campaign demonstrates the EU and it's attitude more then I ever could just listen to the rhetoric of the EU brigade and then tell me it's a pleasant organisation with the best interests of the uk in any way. We will be "punished" if we leave, no room for "deserters" at the table as well as the numerous talk of trade wars, once upon a time that would have the country up in arms and guaranteed our leaving now it seems plenty of Brits are happy to be talked too in those terms and even support it.

Roll on June 23rd and hopefully a decisive leave vote because while I love most of Europe the EU part of it can sod off.

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Tonight's debate.

350m a week "IN" asked him it's a lie they said. Well maybe in the sense of what we get back but we still have to pay out 350m first before any rebate. The point being why don't we just pay 150m a week instead and keep the rest instead of a rebate. Simple the 350m is there in case they want to take it all and from what I heard the rebate is only conditional for a short period of time?

immigration - "IN" talked about being able to get qualified people over here for shortages yet outside the EU that would be impossible to get the skills needed.

What a load of Tosh, under the AUS point system they could select the right "skilled" people to work here and fast track them where needed after going through stringent checks this can be from anywhere in the world or are they saying the EU will be black listing the UK to stop workers coming here.

How many EU supposed "skilled" people come here setup a company for example a Dentist and they been deemed unsafe to practice but were simple allowed in because of EU rules.

Same with Sturgeon I mean come on she wanted an independent Scotland and didn't really care what effect it had on the English, Welsh or Irish people when it came to this ever closer union or how this would have affected houses, jobs, pay and well the economy overall. So while the "IN" team were all for slating Boris for prime minister I think she needs to look closer to home herself.

Same with the "IN" team going on about how the EU have set laws for maternity pay, wages and working hours she seemed to insinuate that our parliament "900 elected members" who make the UK laws do not have the UK interests at heart and will screw the working person at any given opportunity so being in the EU unelected members can make UK laws to protect the British people from our own GOV. what a load of crap working rights will stay the same or better out of the EU where we can make laws our own.

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Eddie Izzard was good on question time tonight.....:erm: :dunce:

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On reflection you're right it is a stupid idea, far smarter for us to stick with the kind of politics that leave 5 million voters with 1 mp, that gives the elderly the loudest voice at the expense of everyone else and means that millions of votes might as well not be bothered to be cast unless you happen to live in a marginal seat, yes that would be the far smarter thing to do indeed.

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Better that reason than rabid xenophobia for instance

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What rabid xenophobia I hear that term thrown around a lot as though it somehow applies to most people in favour of leaving and like most of the stuff remain comes out with it's a load of rubbish. Not being in the EU doesn't mean we close the shutters and ignore the rest of the world quite the opposite most in favour of leaving are enthusiastic for greater global relations so how is xenophobic applicable??.

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Well he responding to the suggestion Remain voters haven't thought about it. His point being stop generalising the other side negatively.

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Anyway I am now 70% sure Leave is going to win. I think the polls and pundits are underestiming the vote from working class Labour voters, especially in the north. The underlying polling is also bad for Remain, many think there will be no economic hit from Brexit.

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Well that was the lesson I was referring to. What the EU needs to learn is that it can't expect to expand (or be seen to be making overtures) into former Soviet territories without Russia reacting aggressively using any pretext to do so. Whilst the likes of Putin are in power, right or wrong has nothing to do with it, sadly, Russia can and will manipulate the situation to suit itself and, as we've seen, the ramifications aren't pleasant with tensions still simmering away and unresolved in Ukraine. If the EU is intent on doing what the populations of other nations may want then it's going to have to be prepared to deal with the military reaction that will likely invoke from Russia. That's the real world I'm afraid and I'd have thought the EU's concerns right now ought to rest with better serving the peoples of the nations in what's a pretty dysfunctional club and worry a bit less about expanding and rattling Russia's cage.

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Workers' Rights? Well the EU law is 20 days holiday per year. In the UK it's 28. Maternity leave is short compared to the UK law of 1 year. How exactly have they improved workers' rights in that respect?

As to last night's debate which I'll be watching in a bit, but have seen highlights, all that was about was ganging up on Boris and nothing else. They are scared of him for some reason. I had a lot of respect for Nicola Sturgeon, now I'm not so sure. The things she was saying in the clips I saw were the opposite to her stance during the Independence debate.

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Well it just goes to demonstrate the paucity of their argument and their hypocrisy. They cannot win the controlled migration argument by definition so they resort on nasty insults and intimidation - just like what happened in the Scottish referendum. It's nothing new but at least people are a) seeing through it and b) refusing to be bullied into silence anymore.

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He was just responding to the idea that Remain voters are using stupid reasons for their vote.

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I was agreeing with the post I replied to and making a general point about tactics, not referring to anyone else in particular.

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Your statement is not based in fact...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/ne...ays-in-Europe/ You appear to be including our Bank Holidays, but not the European countries ones.

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If we leave aside our own biases and try to discuss this objectively what does everyone think the actual result will be and why?

As I said above I think that a combination of anti-establishment mood as well as a serious underestimation of the Leave vote in Northern Labour heartlands will win this for Leave. I can't explain why the polls aren't picking this up, and it may be apprehension talking, but the underlying questions in the polling are alarming for Remain. Only 1/3rd of the electorate think there will be any economic impact in Leaving for example whilst the vast majority think immigration will go down. 50% of Labour voters think Labour supports Leave. Most voters think EU immigration accounts for 15% of the population as opposed to 5%.

Essentially the Leave campaign is working. Despite the 50-50 in the polls most voters think Brexit will not hurt the economy but will reduce migration. If that's the case Remain is finished. Either the headline poll numbers are wrong or the underlying poll numbers are wrong. There is no way most voters think the economy will be fine but will vote to Remain anyway.

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That's what Fact Check said yesterday on BBC so was going by that.

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Personally l would be very wary of the polls given the volatility of the electorate in these past few years.

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I could find nothing on this page that stated EU workers only get 20 days holiday - can you provide a link, please?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politic...endum-36434855

The minimum in Europe is 20 days plus statutory holidays, just like the UK, but most European countries have more statutory holidays than us - you appeared to be comparing our total amount against theirs without statutory.

Similarly with maternity leave, you compared the statutory minimum for EU countries (14 weeks) with ours (52 weeks - SMP lasts 39 weeks, and for the first six weeks, SMP is paid at 90 per cent of average earnings, and for the next 33 weeks, it is paid at the same 90 per cent or at the flat rate, whichever is lower.), but obviously didn't realise that Germany gives mothers 14 weeks of full pay, and both parents can take 14 months of parental leave at 65% of salary during the child's first 3 years, whilst in France they get 16 weeks full pay (26 weeks for the 3rd child).

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Theoretically this should be easier to poll because it's a binary choice and not subject to tactical voting or constituency implications. The polling in the Scottish referendum was very good for the most part as was the AV referendum.

What would be different is if they've failed to pick up overwhelming support for Leave among working class voters in the North somehow. This is a demographic that doesn't have a huge turnout so it may be they've been overlooked in polling.

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I'm hoping for Leave but suspect Remain will edge it.

During the last two Ge's the pollsters pretty much got it bang on, it's becoming a more exact science now.

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Well the bookies rarely get it wrong and they favour the Remain camp to win.

https://www.justbookies.com/election...EyIaAp0S8P8HAQ

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Why do you think Remain will win? Status-quo effect?

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I'm pretty sure that's what happens we don't pay the rebate money out and then receive it back again.

Well Mrs T negotiated the rebate so it has been in place for at least 30years, and I don't believe there are any plans to give it up.

We can do that now.

no.

I don't know, how many?

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They got the election wrong. The betting markets are factoring in polling and the belief that the economy is what decides votes. My contention is that they're all underestimating the Labour Leave vote.

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Yes they were bang on with the last GE predictions :erm:

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I think fear of the unknown will win.

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The main problem there was underestimating the movement to the Tories in LibDem constituencies due to fears over a Labour/SNP alliance. They got a lot right in 2015 such as the performance of Labour, SNP and UKIP.

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I mentioned earlier, I have seen the result and it is 52.3% Remain* :)

Why is because of the clear risks involved. Most people are risk averse as the Scottish vote showed and so there will be a nervous "better the devil I know" micro-swing at the last minute ...

* with the ususal 10% margin of error

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I think we'll stay in and it'll prove to be a very bad decision. Not because getting out will be easy or pain free but because staying in will prove to be a disaster as a series of events unfold. Time will tell.

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No as it was answering questions from people who had left a message in Just ASK. They had it on news channel all day yesterday and there were 3 people giving so called facts. But they said it was part of fact check. Yes that comparison is probably what they did.

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At the moment Leave have the momentum and I think they may just scrape through. Having said that we don't know what dirty tricks have still to be played. We saw the start of it last night when the remainers a ganged up on Boris.

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I think remain will win but by a very small majority because the scare mongering is having an effect and most of the younger people I've talked too (18-24) are voting remain for ridiculous reasons. So far it's been mobile roaming charges, holidays to Ibiza costing more and two even said they didn't want to pay more for brie, I must have missed the brie tariff but so far only two people in that age group I've talked too had looked into things and had a good reason for the way they were voting and there was a vote for each side from those two.

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No we don't pay the rebate out and get it back. The £350 million is a gross figure and Boris has said this. The rebate is not set in stone. France continually ask for it to be taken away. You may find this interesting:

European Union: Why does France continually push for the UK's EU rebate to be taken away when even after the rebate we pay in more than France?

https://www.quora.com/European-Union...re-than-France

Didn't Blair give some away? Think this may be a PDF File:

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A7x9U...yaKD3Cg358fA0-

Why then trust it won't be effected if we remain.

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If they do win that will be the reason. However, it won't be the status quo. The EU will come down on us hard and think they can get away with murder.

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All this throwing round of that phrase. I personally don't think it is #scare mongering'

Its a genuine unknown situation and no one really knows what will happen. They are simply stating what the worst case scenario could be.

Why risk it?

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So why not tell us what the least case scenario would be? After all that is what's most likely to happen. It's scaremongering all right no two ways about it.

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If, as we know, it is the worst case scenario why don't they say that instead of putting it over as fact.

Scaremongering plain and simple.

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If they put out all the forecasts and let the public make the choice on which they felt was more likely that would be different but they are only putting out the very worst forecasts they can gather and though don't state it as fact they give that implication. It is scare mongering and even a lot of remain campaigners have described it as such so it's a valid term to describe remains tactic.

To answer the "why risk it" bit simple for me independence and sovereignty are more important and the future that remaining in the EU will bring which I do not think will be good economically nor that we are shielded from paying for it.

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The UK will remain in the EU permanently. That's the way it has to be. I guarantee it.

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Good article on Leave here if you have a subscription to The Times: http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/co...oing-237nxh2kd

It's a comment piece and is pro-Remain as a disclaimer.

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The only way you can guarantee it is if it should get fixed somehow and you know about it. Wouldn't surprise me if it was fixed in some way. I believe the Scottish referendum was fixed somehow but just can't put my finger on it.

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We were rather crafty and extended the vote to people who aren't on Twitter but don't tell them.

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LOL

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Well if the party wants us to stay then they aren't going to put anything out other than the worst case.

Its up to the leave party to tell us what could happen if we leave. But even they don't really know.

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We have told you what COULD happen, not what will. As you say no one knows. The upshot is the Government will be around £150 m a week better off.

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Which is peanuts when the economy crashes. We will be worse off overall.

The tide has certainly changed over the last week, I don't expect the result to be close at all. The polls are very wrong again, the silent majority always plump for the safe status quo, whilst the noisy minority answer opinion polls and post on forums ;)

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The rebate is an instant rebate ,in other words it is taken from our gross contribution before we pay anything .The size of the rebate is based on our contributions which are going up and that means we get a bigger rebate because we are a net contributor

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The lies started when Cameron said if he didn't get the reforms he promised us in the general election he would lead the out campaign himself? Well he came back with some half baked promise from the EU and not what he said he would go in for.

Personally I think he will just ignore the vote anyway and use staying in as a national interest for security and protection.

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Does anyone think it worthwhile setting up a poll to gauge the feelings on here about whether we stay or leave?

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He wouldn't be allowed to do that

re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

Not only that but Boris or Gove should be leading the negotiations in the event of Brexit. I think they should be charge of securing the deals they've told us will come. No point them advocating the nation goes down this path and then backing off when it happens.

re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

Quite agree ,also Cameron has already said he won't be in the running at the next GE so it's pointless him being involved whatever the outcome

re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

Or maybe 'we' just let you think you've done that... ;)

re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

Taking control back, so that we have complete control by a democratically elected British government over Laws, Taxes, Borders and immigration, are things that instantly spring to mind.

Works for me.

re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

The remain side don't know what's going to happen if we stay. Cameron proved that back in February when he went off to Eurolalaland expecting to get concessions and was told to bugger off.

The EU doesn't know what's going to happen - which country will be next to elect a right wing leader/party, put up a wall, close its borders, declare an emergency of some sort etc.

There is no such thing as certainty.

re: [Update] The UK votes to leave the EU
 

I think leave will win the vote because for decades now the public has been told that the EU is the reason for all our problems from seeing a GP to prisoners getting released early and wacky H&S rules ,it has been ingrained into us that the EU is bad ,i really think it is as simple as that