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blue666666 07-11-2013 20:43
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I can only find this one from June,you do have to log in to read it.

Virgin back in Sky Atlantic talks
27 June, 2013 | By Peter White

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/b...057814.article

johnathome 07-11-2013 21:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blue666666 (Post 35641932)
I can only find this one from June,you do have to log in to read it.

Virgin back in Sky Atlantic talks
27 June, 2013 | By Peter White

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/b...057814.article
Is it this one?

http://vmhd.blogspot.co.uk/2013_06_01_archive.html

blue666666 07-11-2013 21:28
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Yea look to be the same one johnathome thanks for the find :tu:

Chad 08-11-2013 00:09
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Quote:
Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35641937)
"Carriage negotiations for Sky’s other channels on Virgin Media are due to be renewed this month, at which time a deal for Sky Atlantic is likely to be discussed."

That was almost 5 months ago now. What ever happened?

paultrademark 08-11-2013 00:21
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Well according to some the deals signed and appearing in the autumn.. and the others say they aint coming lol

Dave42 08-11-2013 00:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35641987)
"Carriage negotiations for Sky’s other channels on Virgin Media are due to be renewed this month, at which time a deal for Sky Atlantic is likely to be discussed."

That was almost 5 months ago now. What ever happened?
sky don't want anyone to have it simple

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Quote:
Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35641988)
Well according to some the deals signed and appearing in the autumn.. and the others say they aint coming lol
only believe it when you see it that's best way

theone2k10 08-11-2013 01:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35641990)
sky don't want anyone to have it simple

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only believe it when you see it that's best way
HBO aren't too happy about their programmes being unavailable to other pay providers , HBO may launch HBOUK once the deal with Sky is up.
Bit hypocritical from HBO really considering they told Netflix that they would never have HBO shows , although with the growth of Netflix exploding the way it has HBO are back in talks with Netflix. So you ever know.

ocav 08-11-2013 01:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35641993)
HBO aren't too happy about their programmes being unavailable to other pay providers , HBO may launch HBOUK once the deal with Sky is up.
Bit hypocritical from HBO really considering they told Netflix that they would never have HBO shows , although with the growth of Netflix exploding the way it has HBO are back in talks with Netflix. So you ever know.
I think it was more directed at Netflix US rather than the British one.

paultrademark 08-11-2013 01:39
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When is Skys deal with HBO up?

Would be marvellous if Netflix and HBO got an agreement to show their content on that platform cutting Sky out all together in the UK

Media Boy UK 08-11-2013 05:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by paultrademark (Post 35641996)
When is Skys deal with HBO up?
From July 29th 2010:

Quote:
Originally Posted by The Guardian (Post 35641996)
The Sky deal, expected to be announced this morning, will give Sky access to HBO's archive and all forthcoming shows over the lifetime of the agreement. It is believed to be worth around £150m over five years.
http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...o-tv-catalogue

passingbat 08-11-2013 07:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35641993)
HBO are back in talks with Netflix..

Do you have a link for this news?

denphone 08-11-2013 08:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35642006)
Do you have a link for this news?
l cannot find one so far PB.

muppetman11 08-11-2013 08:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35641993)
HBO aren't too happy about their programmes being unavailable to other pay providers , HBO may launch HBOUK once the deal with Sky is up.
Bit hypocritical from HBO really considering they told Netflix that they would never have HBO shows , although with the growth of Netflix exploding the way it has HBO are back in talks with Netflix. So you ever know.
How would launching HBOUK get their content seen by a wider audience ? Netflix reported in August 2013 it had 1.5 million UK subscribers for a service priced at £5.99 how many do you think would subscribe to HBO at a premium price for just their content , nowhere near that many in my opinion. Sky's deal with HBO ends in 2015 although its worth remembering Sky Deutschland also have a similar deal with HBO for Sky Atlantic in Germany.

ocav 08-11-2013 09:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642012)
How would launching HBOUK get their content seen by a wider audience ? Netflix reported in August 2013 it had 1.5 million UK subscribers for a service priced at £5.99 how many do you think would subscribe to HBO at a premium price for just their content , nowhere near that many in my opinion. Sky's deal with HBO ends in 2015 although its worth remembering Sky Deutschland also have a similar deal with HBO for Sky Atlantic in Germany.
Cause access to Sky Atlantic was, until very recently, a minimum of £21.50 a month. Also apparently the issue was that consumers were not given choice as to where they were to access the content, they had to go with Sky.

muppetman11 08-11-2013 09:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35642018)
Cause access to Sky Atlantic was, until very recently, a minimum of £21.50 a month. Also apparently the issue was that consumers were not given choice as to where they were to access the content, they had to go with Sky.
So still cheaper than HBO in the US were you need a basic tv sub then have to add HBO on as a premium.

ocav 08-11-2013 10:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642021)
So still cheaper than HBO in the US were you need a basic tv sub then have to add HBO on as a premium.
Yes but here is a list of the places you can order HBO from;

AT&T Universe
Comcast
Dish Network
Directtv
Charter
Optimum
Time Warner Cable
Liberty Com
Mediacom
WOW (Wide Open West)

And that's just a small list, as well as being able to stream direct to your PC.

Here's the UK list;

Sky (Sky TV & Now TV)

It's not giving consumers choice, and businesses like HBO rely on choice. If they were only available on say Dish Network (US Satellite), they would never be able to afford to make the programmes they do, so by allowing choice, more people will consume the content, therefore be more interested in the programmes and, in the US, keep their subscription and, everywhere, sell more DVDs and BluRays.

Unfortunately I am not likely to buy Boardwalk Empire, Vegas, Veep, Hello Ladies etc without first seeing it on TV, because I'm not going to waste the money on something I might not enjoy. Therefore it is best to have HBO content more accessible, even if it requires a minimum subscription to say XL, the content is still available, and not denied, also it would reduce piracy of those who don't have Sky who wish to view these shows.

howardmicks 08-11-2013 10:59
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Personally I think sky should have a good think about this,now that Netflix is out one would suspect sky movie subs will go down if they was allow vm to have sky Atlantic in the premium that we currently pay for hd movies and sports that may get some to stick or add movies to receive sky Atlantic hd.both winners vm have access but limited and sky take some money

andy_m 08-11-2013 11:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642021)
So still cheaper than HBO in the US were you need a basic tv sub then have to add HBO on as a premium.
I think that's just changed and some cable co's now offer it without the need for a basic tv sub.

nialli 08-11-2013 12:00
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I've finally got Sky Atlantic, thanks to Now TV, and, aside from an afternoon of playing with it, haven't tuned in much. They're showing Boardwalk Empire a couple of months behind the US showings (and torrents) and the Stephen Merchant Hello Ladies is not to all tastes. Aside from that - very little to shout about being shown at the moment.
Whereas with Netflix I'm knee deep in Breaking Bad, which I'll follow with Orange is the New Black, then House of Cards, then the third season of The Killing (US) and possibly a revisit to Battlestar Galactica.
HBO in the US is a very mixed bag - films dominate its schedules and the new dramas and comedy are infrequent. Game of Thrones and Boardwalk Empire aside, they don't have that much. Fox here has more popular cable fayre (Walking Dead, True Blood, Dexter, etc).
Don't get me wrong: Sky Atlantic is good, but it's a channel with minority appeal, but if folk are expecting a schedule packed with quality every day, they're going to be a wee bit disappointed.

gba93 08-11-2013 12:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nialli (Post 35642054)
I've finally got Sky Atlantic, thanks to Now TV, and, aside from an afternoon of playing with it, haven't tuned in much. They're showing Boardwalk Empire a couple of months behind the US showings (and torrents) and the Stephen Merchant Hello Ladies is not to all tastes. Aside from that - very little to shout about being shown at the moment.
Whereas with Netflix I'm knee deep in Breaking Bad, which I'll follow with Orange is the New Black, then House of Cards, then the third season of The Killing (US) and possibly a revisit to Battlestar Galactica.
HBO in the US is a very mixed bag - films dominate its schedules and the new dramas and comedy are infrequent. Game of Thrones and Boardwalk Empire aside, they don't have that much. Fox here has more popular cable fayre (Walking Dead, True Blood, Dexter, etc).
Don't get me wrong: Sky Atlantic is good, but it's a channel with minority appeal, but if folk are expecting a schedule packed with quality every day, they're going to be a wee bit disappointed.
Makes you wonder what all the fuss is about :confused:

passingbat 08-11-2013 12:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35642056)
Makes you wonder what all the fuss is about :confused:
This is what all the fuss is about (just off the top of my head, so may have missed some)

Game of Thrones
Boardwalk Empire
The Following
House of Lies
Veep
The Newsroom
Blue Bloods
Mad Men
The Borgias

Non of which are available to VM users.

gba93 08-11-2013 12:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35642059)
This is what all the fuss is about (just off the top of my head, so may have missed some)

Game of Thrones
Boardwalk Empire
The Following
House of Lies
Veep
The Newsroom
Blue Bloods
Mad Men

Non of which are available to VM users.
I understand that none of those programs are available to VM users but was only reflecting on the observation that once nialli could get SA he observed that apart from Broadwalk Empire and Hello Ladies there was "very little to shout about being shown at the moment" and "if folk are expecting a schedule packed with quality every day, they're going to be a wee bit disappointed"

passingbat 08-11-2013 12:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35642064)
I understand that none of those programs are available to VM users but was only reflecting on the observation that once nialli could get SA he observed that apart from Broadwalk Empire and Hello Ladies there was "very little to shout about being shown at the moment" and "if folk are expecting a schedule packed with quality every day, they're going to be a wee bit disappointed"

But that applies to any digital channel.

The important bit is that many, critically acclaimed shows are not available to VM users. I would say that Atlantic has a lot more currently running dramas than either Sky One or Sky Living

VM is catering very well or sports fans; they should do the same for people who are fans of critically acclaimed drama.

theone2k10 08-11-2013 13:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35642006)
Do you have a link for this news?
No i'm just going by what sources have told me , i am digging for more info , as soon as i get any i will post here.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642012)
How would launching HBOUK get their content seen by a wider audience ? Netflix reported in August 2013 it had 1.5 million UK subscribers for a service priced at £5.99 how many do you think would subscribe to HBO at a premium price for just their content , nowhere near that many in my opinion. Sky's deal with HBO ends in 2015 although its worth remembering Sky Deutschland also have a similar deal with HBO for Sky Atlantic in Germany.
Going by the HBO Nordic price of 79.00 SEKp/m which is about £7.46p/m. It would work out a loy cheaper than £21.50p/m. This ofcourse has all changed with the entertainment pavk on Nowtv for £4.99p/m alsp bear in mind not all Sky Atlantoc shows are available on Nowtv either

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Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35642035)
Personally I think sky should have a good think about this,now that Netflix is out one would suspect sky movie subs will go down if they was allow vm to have sky Atlantic in the premium that we currently pay for hd movies and sports that may get some to stick or add movies to receive sky Atlantic hd.both winners vm have access but limited and sky take some money
Also it's been mentioned on several forums the Netflix intend to take on Sky for the mocvies when the contracts are up for renewal.

OLD BOY 08-11-2013 13:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35641987)
"Carriage negotiations for Sky’s other channels on Virgin Media are due to be renewed this month, at which time a deal for Sky Atlantic is likely to be discussed."

That was almost 5 months ago now. What ever happened?
Sky's proposal for their new Sky Bravo channel is what happened. Sky was desperate enough to get Virgin Media on board to delay the launch of this channel pending negotiations.

Incidentally, this is yet another reason why Sky would want to do a deal with VM that would result in our getting Sky Atlantic.

theone2k10 08-11-2013 13:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35642059)
This is what all the fuss is about (just off the top of my head, so may have missed some)

Game of Thrones
Boardwalk Empire
The Following
House of Lies
Veep
The Newsroom
Blue Bloods
Mad Men
The Borgias

Non of which are available to VM users.
BIB all available using networks own sites with a smart dns also available on HULU+ also by using a smart DNS.
tbf Sky Atlantic really isn't all it's hyped upto be. It has some good shows yes but it's mostly full of crap. This is just my opinion ofcourse everyones taste in tv differs.

howardmicks 08-11-2013 13:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35642059)
This is what all the fuss is about (just off the top of my head, so may have missed some)

Game of Thrones
Boardwalk Empire
The Following
House of Lies
Veep
The Newsroom
Blue Bloods
Mad Men
The Borgias

Non of which are available to VM users.
Missed banshee off bud,currently all I'm watching on sky Atlantic is boardwalk empire,veep,house of lies and the tunnel a week.did a catch up on blue bloods it's not really the channel peeps are bothered about its certain content:)

OLD BOY 08-11-2013 13:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35642073)
But that applies to any digital channel.

The important bit is that many, critically acclaimed shows are not available to VM users. I would say that Atlantic has a lot more currently running dramas than either Sky One or Sky Living
That's right, I don't think anyone is saying that if they got it they would be glued to Sky Atlantic every evening - I certainly wouldn't be.

However you just have to take a look at the dramas we have missed to realise what is shown on the channel over time. That is what the fuss is about.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35642073)

VM is catering very well or sports fans; they should do the same for people who are fans of critically acclaimed drama.
I don't know what else VM can do with drama. I am expecting an announcement very soon regarding Sky Atlantic, and the launch of Netflix fills a big gap. I am very impressed with this to the extent that with all the recordings I make anyway, I don't know when I'm going to find the time to watch everything!

passingbat 08-11-2013 13:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35642087)
Missed banshee off bud:)
Yep; remembered that after posting.

Dave42 08-11-2013 13:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 35642088)
That's right, I don't think anyone is saying that if they got it they would be glued to Sky Atlantic every evening - I certainly wouldn't be.

However you just have to take a look at the dramas we have missed to realise what is shown on the channel over time. That is what the fuss is about.

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I don't know what else VM can do with drama. I am expecting an announcement very soon regarding Sky Atlantic, and the launch of Netflix fills a big gap. I am very impressed with this to the extent that with all the recordings I make anyway, I don't know when I'm going to find the time to watch everything!
hope your not holding your breath on that OB I think you find I be right

OLD BOY 08-11-2013 13:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35642094)
hope your not holding your breath on that OB I think you find I be right
The very mention of the words 'Sky Atlantic' seems to trigger a certain reaction from you, Dave!

You forgot to mention that you hope you are wrong! ;)

passingbat 08-11-2013 13:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35642081)
BIB all available using networks own sites with a smart dns also available on HULU+ also by using a smart DNS.
.

But not everyone uses a smart DNS. People who do are the minority and VM needs to cater or the majority.

Although Hulu is available using a smart DNS, to get Hulu+, you have to lie about where you live as it won't take non US credit cards.

denphone 08-11-2013 13:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35642094)
hope your not holding your breath on that OB I think you find I be right
Not for the first my dear chap on this particular subject you are wrong as usual.

OLD BOY 08-11-2013 13:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642098)
Not for the first my dear chap on this particular subject you are wrong as usual.
Can't wait for Dave to be proved wrong! But then I suppose he will find something else to deny! :D

Sorry Dave! ;)

theone2k10 08-11-2013 13:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35642096)
But not everyone uses a smart DNS. People who do are the minority and VM needs to cater or the majority.

Although Hulu is available using a smart DNS, to get Hulu+, you have to lie about where you live as it won't take non US credit cards.
Very good point mate. I was lucky with Hulu+ as i have a friend in America and she pays the monthly sub for me and i just refund her via paypal.

Dave42 08-11-2013 14:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642098)
Not for the first my dear chap on this particular subject you are wrong as usual.
will believe it when I see it on epg but we will see heard it all before and still not one bit of evidence

denphone 08-11-2013 15:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35642123)
will believe it when I see it on epg but we will see heard it all before and still not one bit of evidence
Whoops its the same ditty that you sang before old chap and that was proved wrong as well.:D

muppetman11 08-11-2013 15:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35642075)
Going by the HBO Nordic price of 79.00 SEKp/m which is about £7.46p/m. It would work out a loy cheaper than £21.50p/m. This ofcourse has all changed with the entertainment pavk on Nowtv for £4.99p/m alsp bear in mind not all Sky Atlantoc shows are available on Nowtv either.
I certainly wouldn't pay £7.50 a month just to watch only HBO content , I'm all for choice but buying an individual studios content in this way sure could get pricey , of course the £21.50 gets you a PVR and a whole load more content. How many at £7.50 a month for purely HBO content would subscribe because I think the numbers would be low.
Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35642075)
Also it's been mentioned on several forums the Netflix intend to take on Sky for the mocvies when the contracts are up for renewal.
I'd imagine there going to have to recruit a considerable amount more subscribers before posing a real threat to the UK/Ireland movie rights.

theone2k10 08-11-2013 17:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642134)
I certainly wouldn't pay £7.50 a month just to watch only HBO content , I'm all for choice but buying an individual studios content in this way sure could get pricey , of course the £21.50 gets you a PVR and a whole load more content. How many at £7.50 a month for purely HBO content would subscribe because I think the numbers would be low.

I'd imagine there going to have to recruit a considerable amount more subscribers before posing a real threat to the UK/Ireland movie rights.
Netflix aren't to be sniffed at they have quite a lot of cash behind them and are more than capable of giving Sky a run for their money.
This is a very interesting article though about Netflix possible appearing on Sky http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2013/...flix-carriage/

ocav 08-11-2013 17:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642134)
I certainly wouldn't pay £7.50 a month just to watch only HBO content , I'm all for choice but buying an individual studios content in this way sure could get pricey , of course the £21.50 gets you a PVR and a whole load more content. How many at £7.50 a month for purely HBO content would subscribe because I think the numbers would be low.

I'd imagine there going to have to recruit a considerable amount more subscribers before posing a real threat to the UK/Ireland movie rights.
I think you underestimate Netflix, they have a lot of money and a lot of power in the rights buying industry. I bet they are not far away from having more subs than Sky Movies.

Quote:
Originally Posted by theone2k10 (Post 35642173)
Netflix aren't to be sniffed at they have quite a lot of cash behind them and are more than capable of giving Sky a run for their money.
This is a very interesting article though about Netflix possible appearing on Sky http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2013/...flix-carriage/
It would be interesting how they do this if it does happen because Sky have adopted the download system and not the streaming system.

theone2k10 08-11-2013 17:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35642183)
I think you underestimate Netflix, they have a lot of money and a lot of power in the rights buying industry. I bet they are not far away from having more subs than Sky Movies.



It would be interesting how they do this if it does happen because Sky have adopted the download system and not the streaming system.
It's annoying having to dl to watch on demand lol but then again it only takes a minute or two before being available so can't really complain. I tend to just download my shows/movies overnight ready for the next day.
As you said it's going to be interesting to see how they approach this with Netflx.

daveetwo 08-11-2013 18:21
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Even sky gains a bit out of Netflix as they have a stake in the Roku box which promotes and has Netflix.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1164...oku-investment

spankysmagicpian 08-11-2013 18:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blue666666 (Post 35641932)
I can only find this one from June,you do have to log in to read it.

Virgin back in Sky Atlantic talks
27 June, 2013 | By Peter White

http://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/news/b...057814.article
Yes - that's the one but no mention of the September one *anywhere*

nialli 08-11-2013 19:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by daveetwo (Post 35642193)
Even sky gains a bit out of Netflix as they have a stake in the Roku box which promotes and has Netflix.

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/1164...oku-investment
Sky's Now TV is a re-badged Roku box...but apparently Sky insisted that the Netflix App was removed. Hmmm

cupcakes aka dd 09-11-2013 01:37
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So nice to have the Tivo drives silent when in standby mode :)

gba93 09-11-2013 10:38
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As quoted on BBC Sport:

Quote:
BT Sport is on the verge of announcing a £900m deal which would end two decades of live Champions League football on terrestrial TV, according to a senior source at the company.
The broadcaster has been in talks with European governing body Uefa and is close to revealing it has won the right to show Champions League and Europa League matches from 2015.
A three-year deal, reported by the Telegraph newspaper, will be seen as a blow to both Sky and ITV, who currently share the rights.
Nice little addition but at a cost?. :)

denphone 09-11-2013 10:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35642347)
As quoted on BBC Sport:



Nice little addition but at a cost?. :)
Of course there will be at a cost and that cost will be paid by the consumer but one thing is becoming increasingly clear and that is with the ascent of BT Sports , Netflix and Liberty Global the days of Sky outbidding and bullying others in the market are over.

Frazz 09-11-2013 10:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gba93 (Post 35642347)
As quoted on BBC Sport:



Nice little addition but at a cost?. :)
This has also just been on the BBC news

bayonet 09-11-2013 10:51
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Don't know if this is in the right thread but just seen this in the BBC website article says from 2015.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24879138

Pster72 09-11-2013 11:24
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This makes the XL package look even more attractive

denphone 09-11-2013 11:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pster72 (Post 35642363)
This makes the XL package look even more attractive
Well we don't know what will happen in Autumn 2015 so that remains to be seen.

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 11:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642364)
Well we don't know what will happen in Autumn 2015 so that remains to be seen.
Perhaps that will be the Autumn that VM will get Sky Atlantic, Den;):D

nstokes 09-11-2013 11:55
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Ok people it seems i am slowly coming back into the fold in regards to being back on CF. What have i missed in the last month or 2 in regards to coming soon to VM?

denphone 09-11-2013 11:57
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Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642369)
Perhaps that will be the Autumn that VM will get Sky Atlantic, Den;):D
Sky Atlantic will arrive quicker then you think my dear chap.:)

nstokes 09-11-2013 12:02
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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642376)
Sky Atlantic will arrive quicker then you think my dear chap.:)
Why you say that Den old boy? Wasnt this meant to arrive in September?

denphone 09-11-2013 12:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35642372)
Ok people it seems i am slowly coming back into the fold in regards to being back on CF. What have i missed in the last month or 2 in regards to coming soon to VM?
Netflix is now being rolled to TiVo boxes whilst there is a TiVo update being rolled out at the same time.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35642383)
Why you say that Den old boy? Wasnt this meant to arrive in September?
Would you like to eat your hat again Mr Stokes.:Yes:

vincerooney 09-11-2013 12:11
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I hope it comes quick before sky becomes too wounded after last nights news

denphone 09-11-2013 12:17
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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35642389)
I hope it comes quick before sky becomes too wounded after last nights news
The masters great Skydor fortress is now crumbling before our eyes but as like the Titanic thy loyal master will go down with his ship one suspects.:D:wavey:

spankysmagicpian 09-11-2013 12:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35642372)
Ok people it seems i am slowly coming back into the fold in regards to being back on CF. What have i missed in the last month or 2 in regards to coming soon to VM?
Some or all channels are rumoured to arrive or not arrive on VirginMedia possibly sometime in the future.

That's summed it up pretty succintly I think.

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 12:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642392)
The masters great Skydor fortress is now crumbling before our eyes but as like the Titanic thy loyal master will go down with his ship one suspects.:D:wavey:

It will interesting to see how Sky react if the Chamions League deal proves to be true. I don't know that SS customers will drop SS though Den. Sky should be able to pass on some savings on to their SS customers (:erm:) and still make an obscene amount of profit from it.

For the time being they still have Prem. League, English Cricket, English Rugby Internationals and various top golf tournaments. They could all change too though before 2015. It is currently still a big draw to sports fans who can afford to pay and/or don't mind being ripped off by SS.

BT will probably have another push at selling Broadband and still give the sports free with it.

spankysmagicpian 09-11-2013 12:40
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It is true - it was confirmed this morning by BT

Gavin-D 09-11-2013 12:40
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Sky will be fuming at losing the champions league from 2015, Virgin media will be very happy as BT Sport is free in the XL pack till the end of the 2015 / 2016 season.

I can see Sky trying to get more mid week football from the football league for the 2015 / 2016 season

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 12:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35642399)
Some or all channels are rumoured to arrive or not arrive on VirginMedia possibly sometime in the future.

That's summed it up pretty succintly I think.
:LOL: very true!

This thread would be nothing without the speculation and rumours though. :)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35642401)
It is true - it was confirmed this morning by BT
Good for BT then. As much as I hate more money being lavished on the prima-donnas of modern football, BT are at least offering a pretty decent sporting service for free, if people wish to take that option. Long may it continue.

Edit - Just read BT Sports will need to charge for some games. So it won't be an entirely free service like it currently is.

nstokes 09-11-2013 12:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642386)

Would you like to eat your hat again Mr Stokes.:Yes:
No thanks :(

Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642404)
Edit - Just read BT Sports will need to charge for some games. So it won't be an entirely free service like it currently is.
Charge what and how? You mean it wont be free to BT Broadband customers anymore?

denphone 09-11-2013 12:57
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Sky passing on some savings to their customers would be like turkeys suddenly voting for Christmas Harry.

ocav 09-11-2013 13:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642404)
Edit - Just read BT Sports will need to charge for some games. So it won't be an entirely free service like it currently is.
I think you have misread. Basically they are making at least one game with a British Club FTA as well as the final so anyone can watch it free.

All other games will be available to those who subscribe.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35642411)
No thanks :(



Charge what and how? You mean it wont be free to BT Broadband customers anymore?
We don't know if BT Broadband Customers will be getting it free anymore, all the "free BT sport" clauses only state for 12 months. But with it on Virgin for free they will have to do something.

nicko 09-11-2013 13:32
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35642434)
I think you have misread. Basically they are making at least one game with a British Club FTA as well as the final so anyone can watch it free.

All other games will be available to those who subscribe.

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.

i read it as at least one game of each British club will be FTA and the final.

Dave42 09-11-2013 13:38
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sky will up the bid more for next premier league rights to make sure they win and be higher prices for customers

denphone 09-11-2013 13:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35642440)
sky will up the bid more for next premier league rights to make sure they win and be higher prices for customers
Now for once Dave l agree with you utterly.

alwaysabear 09-11-2013 13:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35642440)
sky will up the bid more for next premier league rights to make sure they win and be higher prices for customers
If the customer chooses to pay the higher prices. Football need to be careful or they risk ruining the goose that laid the golden egg.

martin201002 09-11-2013 13:49
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Very interesting times for sky and bt, seems bt are quite serious about sports rights. Personally I thought they were just doing it for the sake of their broadband product. Seems I was wrong.

Only thing is the bt sport coverage is very poor. micheal owen in particular. Hopefully with having a lot of football rights they will employ some more commentators.

Chad 09-11-2013 14:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35642383)
Why you say that Den old boy? Wasnt this meant to arrive in September?
If you believe some of the stuff posted on here it was supposed to arrive in September 2012 along with the HD ITV channels :D

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Quote:
Originally Posted by martin201002 (Post 35642446)
Very interesting times for sky and bt, seems bt are quite serious about sports rights. Personally I thought they were just doing it for the sake of their broadband product. Seems I was wrong.
I don't think BT are being totally honest about their intentions. In terms of Premiership rights, Champions League rights, the purchase of ESPN rights and the FA Cup rights BT would have spent around £3 billion. Surely it would have been cheaper just to give everyone with either a BT phoneline or BT Vision completely free broadband instead of spending huge amounts of money on TV rights? Surely people wouldn't switch broadband provider it they where getting a great service completely free of charge?

spankysmagicpian 09-11-2013 14:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chad (Post 35642447)
If you believe some of the stuff posted on here it was supposed to arrive in September 2012 along with the HD ITV channels :D

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I don't think BT are being totally honest about their intentions. In terms of Premiership rights, Champions League rights, the purchase of ESPN rights and the FA Cup rights BT would have spent around £3 billion. Surely it would have been cheaper just to give everyone with either a BT phoneline or BT Vision completely free broadband instead of spending huge amounts of money on TV rights? Surely people wouldn't switch broadband provider it they where getting a great service completely free of charge?
Quick calc - BT Have 4.6m customers at the moment. multiply that by £15 a month for the BB offer they had on and that works out at £828m a year income from BB. Add in the Line rental which is required and that's £1.7b a year income so if you look at the latter, if they stopped everyone leaving with free BT Sport, they are quids in over three years.

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 16:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642413)
Sky passing on some savings to their customers would be like turkeys suddenly voting for Christmas Harry.

I agree with you Den, but the onus should be on them to pass on the savings.

I will leave my comments at that on this thread;)

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Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysabear (Post 35642445)
If the customer chooses to pay the higher prices. Football need to be careful or they risk ruining the goose that laid the golden egg.

I tried to use that argument on the BT/Sky/ESPN thread. It did not work very well:(

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Quote:
Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35642456)
Quick calc - BT Have 4.6m customers at the moment. multiply that by £15 a month for the BB offer they had on and that works out at £828m a year income from BB. Add in the Line rental which is required and that's £1.7b a year income so if you look at the latter, if they stopped everyone leaving with free BT Sport, they are quids in over three years.
Yup, it has been very shrewd move by BT. They announced six month pre-tax profits £948 million. Not bad for a company giving away free premium sports content!

I am sure they will continue to offer BT sports free for many years to come as well.

howardmicks 09-11-2013 17:52
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Interesting times ahead me thinks,Bt nabbing more sports rights and netflix threating to nab more movies.Skys dominence is looking under threat and one would suspect its witholding channels is going to come back and bite them in the butt.

denphone 09-11-2013 17:58
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Quote:
Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35642568)
Interesting times ahead me thinks,Bt nabbing more sports rights and netflix threating to nab more movies.Skys dominence is looking under threat and one would suspect its witholding channels is going to come back and bite them in the butt.
Sky's bully boy tactics worked in the past but now the bully boy is not reacting well to be given a taste of its own medicine in these last few months.

vincerooney 09-11-2013 18:50
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Question of the night why does the BT sport advert only say "is available also on the sky digital platform" but doesnt mention virgin media whatsoever???

Is it bitterness that virgin media played hard ball with them and got them to agree to free in XL?

jfman 09-11-2013 19:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35642630)
Question of the night why does the BT sport advert only say "is available also on the sky digital platform" but doesnt mention virgin media whatsoever???

Is it bitterness that virgin media played hard ball with them and got them to agree to free in XL?
Because they are in the business of making money. They retail directly on the Sky platform and the subscribers they make the least off of are Virgin XL subscribers.

At the end of the day it's not up to BT to push sales of a Virgin Media.

It's also debatable who played "hard ball" with who.

andy_m 09-11-2013 19:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642578)
Sky's bully boy tactics worked in the past but now the bully boy is not reacting well to be given a taste of its own medicine in these last few months.
What do you think the difference is between Sky and BT?

denphone 09-11-2013 20:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35642663)
What do you think the difference is between Sky and BT?
l don't think there is much difference but the fact remains that Sky for many many years used their huge financial resources to distort the market to suit their own increasingly monopolising position and in that process put ITV Digital and Setanta Sports out of business and also forced ESPN to withdraw from the UK market but now another big boy has come along and they don't like it up them one bit but it serves them right because like all bullies in the playground someone else comes along to start to bully them and give them the same treatment they have given many others in the last 15 years plus and as the old saying goes you reap what you sow.

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 20:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642673)
l don't think there is much difference but the fact remains that Sky for many many years used their huge financial resources to distort the market to suit their own increasingly monopolising position and in that process put ITV Digital and Setanta Sports out of business and also forced ESPN to withdraw from the UK market but now another big boy has come along and they don't like it up them one bit but it serves them right because like all bullies in the playground someone else comes along to start to bully them and give them the same treatment they have given many others in the last 15 years plus and as the old saying goes you reap what you sow.
But they will still abuse their position Den. Everyone knows my argument is that Sky should put prices down to reflect the lost content, but they won't.

All they will do is keep ripping off the people who keep paying.

The only way to stop Sky being dominant is for people to stop paying them over the top for sports.

BT are trying to take Sky on, whether it is for the customer or their own gain I do not know. It is pointless though if people blindly pay Sky what Sky want.

I won't be drawn into an argument on this (everyone will be pleased to know) but the sooner people vote with their wallets, the sooner we will see real change.

johnathome 09-11-2013 20:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642682)

I won't be drawn into an argument on this (everyone will be pleased to know) but the sooner people vote with their wallets, the sooner we will see real change.
The way the pubs did. I mentioned in the other thread (i think) that Sky wanted an extra £500 per month off my local and they got rid.

Five years later they're now paying £300 less than before they cancelled.

Let's hope the home viewers do the same.

harry_hitch 09-11-2013 20:37
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Originally Posted by johnathome (Post 35642685)
The way the pubs did. I mentioned in the other thread (i think) that Sky wanted an extra £500 per month off my local and they got rid.

Five years later they're now paying £300 less than before they cancelled.

Let's hope the home viewers do the same.
Good for them. Let's hope many others follow suite.:)

andy_m 09-11-2013 20:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642673)
l don't think there is much difference but the fact remains that Sky for many many years used their huge financial resources to distort the market to suit their own increasingly monopolising position and in that process put ITV Digital and Setanta Sports out of business and also forced ESPN to withdraw from the UK market but now another big boy has come along and they don't like it up them one bit but it serves them right because like all bullies in the playground someone else comes along to start to bully them and give them the same treatment they have given many others in the last 15 years plus and as the old saying goes you reap what you sow.
Do two wrongs make a right, then?

denphone 09-11-2013 20:49
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35642702)
Do two wrongs make a right, then?
Perhaps the more senior or more intelligent statesman's of this forum can answer that Andy as l just say what l think but that does not mean that l am right as quite often l am wrong dear chap.:)

andy_m 09-11-2013 21:45
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642706)
Perhaps the more senior or more intelligent statesman's of this forum can answer that Andy as l just say what l think but that does not mean that l am right as quite often l am wrong dear chap.:)
I don't disagree, Sky got in to a dominant market position by spending money to the detriment of the consumer, financially at least. I'm just not sure i can join you in rejoicing in the rise of BT to take them on because i can't see how allowing a company to repeat the anti competitive practices of another benefits anybody other than that company.

The industry requires a shake up-streaming options are beginning to provide genuine competition to entertainment tv subscriptions, where a range of companies offer broadly the same content, meaning they have to compete in other ways, but when it comes to sport there are too many vested interests reliant on huge exclusive deals with big companies. If those companies are making a profit, and they are, it stands to reason that it must be the consumer bearing the cost of these deals. Dressing it up as "free" by bundling it with other devices doesn't mean that's not true.

Mad Max 09-11-2013 23:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35642706)
Perhaps the more senior or more intelligent statesman's of this forum can answer that Andy as l just say what l think but that does not mean that l am right as quite often l am wrong dear chap.:)
Jesus H, that made some sense!!

spankysmagicpian 10-11-2013 00:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35642754)
I don't disagree, Sky got in to a dominant market position by spending money to the detriment of the consumer, financially at least. I'm just not sure i can join you in rejoicing in the rise of BT to take them on because i can't see how allowing a company to repeat the anti competitive practices of another benefits anybody other than that company.

The industry requires a shake up-streaming options are beginning to provide genuine competition to entertainment tv subscriptions, where a range of companies offer broadly the same content, meaning they have to compete in other ways, but when it comes to sport there are too many vested interests reliant on huge exclusive deals with big companies. If those companies are making a profit, and they are, it stands to reason that it must be the consumer bearing the cost of these deals. Dressing it up as "free" by bundling it with other devices doesn't mean that's not true.
Bob on AndyM.

I've always said the packages, especially the PL should be split 50/50 with a set cost for each. None of this bidding for X number of packages. It makes a mockery of the justification of the bidding in the first place in order to drive costs down.

Failing that, the Premier League should manage, produce and televise all the packages and sell them on to whoever for re-showing. That way, as you said, all channels who paid for the rights to re-show the games would have to compete in other ways. Even something like this would actually bring prices down if the only unique selling point was the price of the subs each month.

denphone 10-11-2013 08:05
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Quote:
Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35642754)
I don't disagree, Sky got in to a dominant market position by spending money to the detriment of the consumer, financially at least. I'm just not sure i can join you in rejoicing in the rise of BT to take them on because i can't see how allowing a company to repeat the anti competitive practices of another benefits anybody other than that company.

The industry requires a shake up-streaming options are beginning to provide genuine competition to entertainment tv subscriptions, where a range of companies offer broadly the same content, meaning they have to compete in other ways, but when it comes to sport there are too many vested interests reliant on huge exclusive deals with big companies. If those companies are making a profit, and they are, it stands to reason that it must be the consumer bearing the cost of these deals. Dressing it up as "free" by bundling it with other devices doesn't mean that's not true.
Trouble is Andy on the point of regulation we were supposed to get cheaper bills if l rightly remember with regards to opening up competition but well just like many other regulator's in this country that frankly has not happened as companies tend to pay lip service to the public and the bills keep on going up exponentially and sadly l cannot see that changing one jot unless as that old revered poster Harry says that we all cancel our subscriptions to these companies but that's not going to happen l am afraid as many like their entertainment at home nowadays and sports and movies are part of that entertainment market.

Superblade7 10-11-2013 08:12
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Hi guys,

Interesting read of all the posts about the BT Sports deal for the CL/EL. I think this definitely shows that BT are in it for the long haul and I think they've probably caught Sky on the back foot with this one as the CL was one of their 'golden eggs'.

The loss of the CL will definitely devalue Sky Sports from 2015 so it will be interesting to see what they do to react? Reduce prices, obtain alternative content?

Definitely interesting times ahead and I think, as others have said, with the onslaught Sky are facing with BT, Netflix, Blinkbox, Lovefilm, etc then hopefully they'll now view VM as a bit of an ally to wholesale their content through and finally give us the channels a lot of people on here would like such as Atlantic and the additional Sports HD channels.

muppetman11 10-11-2013 09:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Superblade7 (Post 35642859)
Hi guys,

Interesting read of all the posts about the BT Sports deal for the CL/EL. I think this definitely shows that BT are in it for the long haul and I think they've probably caught Sky on the back foot with this one as the CL was one of their 'golden eggs'.

The loss of the CL will definitely devalue Sky Sports from 2015 so it will be interesting to see what they do to react? Reduce prices, obtain alternative content?

Definitely interesting times ahead and I think, as others have said, with the onslaught Sky are facing with BT, Netflix, Blinkbox, Lovefilm, etc then hopefully they'll now view VM as a bit of an ally to wholesale their content through and finally give us the channels a lot of people on here would like such as Atlantic and the additional Sports HD channels.
Quote:
The telecoms giant is understood to have bid nearly twice as much as Sky, who, according to a person familiar with the process, dropped out of the running after the first round after seeing BT's offer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...ue-rights.html

That kind of suggests they werent prepared to pay anymore , as for what they'll do going forward who knows however as Den says I can't see a reduction in subscription costs.

What's the odds on Rupert starting a breakaway league now with bigger prize money :D Just joking by the way.:D

Dave42 10-11-2013 09:45
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the one thing that's certain is prices will keep on going up

Superblade7 10-11-2013 11:34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642863)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...ue-rights.html

That kind of suggests they werent prepared to pay anymore , as for what they'll do going forward who knows however as Den says I can't see a reduction in subscription costs.

What's the odds on Rupert starting a breakaway league now with bigger prize money :D Just joking by the way.:D
MM, you may not be far off the mark as you never know where football, money and the Murdoch's are concerned. Maybe they'll start a Champions League by another name (European Premier League) where the top one or two teams from each European country compete in a league over a season??? You can but wonder :confused:

vincerooney 10-11-2013 11:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Superblade7 (Post 35642859)
Hi guys,

Interesting read of all the posts about the BT Sports deal for the CL/EL. I think this definitely shows that BT are in it for the long haul and I think they've probably caught Sky on the back foot with this one as the CL was one of their 'golden eggs'.

The loss of the CL will definitely devalue Sky Sports from 2015 so it will be interesting to see what they do to react? Reduce prices, obtain alternative content?

Definitely interesting times ahead and I think, as others have said, with the onslaught Sky are facing with BT, Netflix, Blinkbox, Lovefilm, etc then hopefully they'll now view VM as a bit of an ally to wholesale their content through and finally give us the channels a lot of people on here would like such as Atlantic and the additional Sports HD channels.
Aye sadly i can see it going

sky sports- going up slowly over the next 5 years
BT- going up to £15+ and BT refusing to go back into the XL package after 2015 stating the amount of coverage they have

sky sports will refuse to go down in price as it'll be admitting they've been devalued. They'll start using "buzz words" to try and fight it such as

"never as much premier league football"
"the home to football in england with more coverage than ever"
"the greatest league in the world...gets BETTER"

or some other cheesy rubbish to stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the loss of rights and any price change. probably if theyre quizzed they'll say

"it was already cheap enough with the champions league footage which we actually didnt make people pay towards...25.99 a month is excellent value for our customers and remains so"

and we'll all continue to pay whilst forking out an extra tenner to BT sports and the cycle continues

harry_hitch 10-11-2013 11:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35642896)
Aye sadly i can see it going

sky sports- going up slowly over the next 5 years
BT- going up to £15+ and BT refusing to go back into the XL package after 2015 stating the amount of coverage they have

sky sports will refuse to go down in price as it'll be admitting they've been devalued. They'll start using "buzz words" to try and fight it such as

"never as much premier league football"
"the home to football in england with more coverage than ever"
"the greatest league in the world...gets BETTER"

or some other cheesy rubbish to stubbornly refuse to acknowledge the loss of rights and any price change. probably if theyre quizzed they'll say

"it was already cheap enough with the champions league footage which we actually didnt make people pay towards...25.99 a month is excellent value for our customers and remains so"

and we'll all continue to pay whilst forking out an extra tenner to BT sports and the cycle continues
Then stop paying it. People could easily cancel all sports when there is no PL football on. Two or three months of massively lost income for Sky would soon open their eyes!! I don't believe there will be much high class sport being shown on Sky over the summer, so why not try it?

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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642863)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/n...ue-rights.html

That kind of suggests they werent prepared to pay anymore , as for what they'll do going forward who knows however as Den says I can't see a reduction in subscription costs.

What's the odds on Rupert starting a breakaway league now with bigger prize money :D Just joking by the way.:D
The sooner they do, the better. People can then have more of a choice over what football package they pay for. This too would help bring the cost down for many people. You could SS Special league (sorry could not think of a snazzy name) and SS non-football sports (aagin apologies). Dedicated to all sports not football. I imagine a non-football sports option would be much cheaper.

vincerooney 10-11-2013 11:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642898)
Then stop paying it. People could easily cancel all sports when there is no PL football on. Two or three months of massively lost income for Sky would soon open their eyes!! I don't believe there will be much high class sport being shown on Sky over the summer, so why not try it?[COLOR="Silver"]
I didnt say i did pay for it? But you're not going to get people to stop paying for it in general. It's like if we all run down to westminister and demand change there will be. It's a nice little pipe dream but people are always going to pay rip off prices for sky sports.

spankysmagicpian 10-11-2013 11:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by muppetman11 (Post 35642863)
What's the odds on Rupert starting a breakaway league now with bigger prize money :D Just joking by the way.:D

New Channel rumour:

From an Sky Viewer poster:

New channel scheduled for '2015' - European SuperLeague TV

Sorry, I can't reveal my source :D

harry_hitch 10-11-2013 12:11
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 5.
 
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Originally Posted by vincerooney (Post 35642903)
I didnt say i did pay for it? But you're not going to get people to stop paying for it in general. It's like if we all run down to westminister and demand change there will be. It's a nice little pipe dream but people are always going to pay rip off prices for sky sports.
There is a huge difference between stopping Sky Sports ripping people off and trying to lobby the government though. Sky will be hurt by a lack of payment from thousands of people rebelling against the price. If I and thousands of others stop paying taxes, go to Westminister and wave a banner about saying I am not paying any more until we get change, I (we) will be arrested and put in jail. It would take many, many millions to effect the government, and then the army will be bought in. Also we get to vote for a different government every four years.

It's not a pipe dream for me. If people want to pay that's fine, more fool them. They just need to stop blaming other people. it can happen. If a luxury food item was massively over priced few people would pay for it. The shops would then stop selling it or lower the prices. Why accept it for a few football games?

Anyway I am going down the same route as I did yesterday. I give up, everyone is right. The regulators, PL, Sky and BT are all in the wrong. Everyone who pays to keep them making an obscene profit (on sport alone) is a victim and should be treated as one. I am out of this forum for a while. You all have my sympathies for your awful sporting predicaments.

gba93 10-11-2013 12:12
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 5.
 
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Originally Posted by spankysmagicpian (Post 35642906)
New Channel rumour:

From an Sky Viewer poster:

New channel scheduled for '2015' - European SuperLeague TV

Sorry, I can't reveal my source :D
:D:D:D

muppetman11 10-11-2013 12:33
Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 5.
 
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Originally Posted by harry_hitch (Post 35642682)
But they will still abuse their position Den. Everyone knows my argument is that Sky should put prices down to reflect the lost content, but they won't.

All they will do is keep ripping off the people who keep paying.

The only way to stop Sky being dominant is for people to stop paying them over the top for sports.

BT are trying to take Sky on, whether it is for the customer or their own gain I do not know. It is pointless though if people blindly pay Sky what Sky want.

I won't be drawn into an argument on this (everyone will be pleased to know) but the sooner people vote with their wallets, the sooner we will see real change.
Harry I agree with your initial point , if a significant amount of people cancelled their sports subscriptions then the likes of Sky and BT would be left with no other option than to lower prices but to suggest Sky are the only company to increase prices is quite frankly ludicrous. The last few years we've seen constant increases from all suppliers granted some have been down to Sky (Sky Sports increases) however both VM and BT have also increased prices significantly for things like line rental , XL pack etc in fact all of them have increased prices sometimes considerably over inflation , there all as bad as each other.


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