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devilincarnate

29-06-2013 15:07

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 2.

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35590112)

My apologies for misinterpreting - after a couple of glasses of red and a large scotch, my subtle-o-meter wasn't set off.

They should fine you for posting whilst drinking LOL:D

passingbat

29-06-2013 16:07

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35590112)

My apologies for misinterpreting - after a couple of glasses of red and a large scotch, my subtle-o-meter wasn't set off.

Personally, I think your first interpretation was spot on; your meters appear perfectly calibrated to me.

RichardCoulter

29-06-2013 16:14

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Originally Posted by Horizon (Post 35589483)

Just in case anyone missed this from the article about Sky Atlantic:

"Carriage negotiations for Sky’s other channels on Virgin Media are due to be renewed this month, at which time a deal for Sky Atlantic is likely to be discussed."

May get Sky1+1 and other missing Sky basic channels if things work out.

I too thought that the Sky basics were covered for 9 years from when VM sold their channels to Sky.

Maybe there was a clause to review the situation at the end of this month, with a guarantee that the existing channels will still be available for a total of 9 years??

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Originally Posted by bamav (Post 35589576)

I don't see it as a big deal. Yes, maybe on launch, but the channel is well established now. We have other Sky HD channels, so what difference does adding one more in HD?

It's no longer a deal breaker or maker for consumers, so it would just seem very petty if Sky were to withhold the HD version. Who's to say that VM might insist that the HD version is included otherwise no deal will be struck at all. I'm sure even Sky with all their profits won't want to lose customers via other carriers.

Maybe that's the sticking point that's preventing a contract being signed? Ie we will get it, but VM are holding out for the HD channel for us too?

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Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35590027)

Well ESPN got away with low audience figures for years, the take up on Sky was virtually non existent when it launched.

Every publican I have spoken to has said that they won't be taking BT Sport if it costs extra on Sky (they won't be allowed to show it from the VM feed).

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Originally Posted by Mad Max (Post 35590113)

Oooooh mixing the grape with the grain........:beer:

When I was a lad, my worst hangover ever was after a night drinking lager and wine :shocked:

howardmicks

29-06-2013 20:55

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Originally Posted by TAZMANUK (Post 35590104)

Plus theyve put up mobile tariffs by 2.9% as of july even when in contract..hope i get a giid deal in nov on 3rd year renewal..

Don't even get me started on that,how long have new owners had vm and already price rise,tv will be next.looks like we customers are gonna foot the bill for buying vm

Contract ain't worth squat bud,need to change the wording on tariff prices to this it what it starts at but we can put it up anytime we feel like it

jj20x

30-06-2013 05:17

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http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2013-...laxed-than-sky

A possible indication that negotiations between VM an BT will not be easy. BT Vision boss, Marc Watson, telling the Radio Times that they have deep pockets with the comment: "We are not dependent on achieving a certain number of subscribers to stay in business".

denphone

30-06-2013 07:40

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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35590323)

Oh what dreamers.:dozey:

nstokes

30-06-2013 07:49

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Originally Posted by howardmicks (Post 35590247)

I said this after the take over was complete. The customer will pay it so LG get there money back

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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35590323)

That is intresting

Doug P

30-06-2013 08:37

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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35590323)

Cloud cuckoo land and a waste of loads of money. Also confirms they don't give a whatsit about customers who don't or cannot get their precious broadband.

Never trusted Murdoch, but this BT mob are a right bunch of blankety blank blank blanks and my past experience and this last few months show they have got worse if anything.

Sticking to Sky Sports and hoping the new talks bring some of the other Sky channels like the +1s.

johnasimmons

30-06-2013 08:49

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Originally Posted by Doug P (Post 35590350)

I am sure we will get the missing Sky +1's and maybe Sky Atlantic in SD or even HD...

DaMac

30-06-2013 10:45

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Originally Posted by jj20x (Post 35590323)

It basically reinforces what a lot of people have been saying, BT now have a product to rival VM (broadband) and that they want those VM customers for themselves, not to let VM offer everybody the best of 3 worlds.

Mr Banana

30-06-2013 10:50

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Originally Posted by nstokes (Post 35590333)

I said this after the take over was complete. The customer will pay it so LG get there money back

---------- Post added at 07:49 ---------- Previous post was at 07:42 ----------

That is intresting

The price increases would have been baked into VMs financials for the year and as part of due diligence liberty would have known what they were, so don't think this has anything to do with with the takeover.

Dave42

30-06-2013 11:10

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Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35590375)

It basically reinforces what a lot of people have been saying, BT now have a product to rival VM (broadband) and that they want those VM customers for themselves, not to let VM offer everybody the best of 3 worlds.

think BT are very deluded if they think VM customers will switch to BT just for bt sport especially if they got sky sports as only sky sports 1+2 available on bt and no HD I wouldn't touch BT with a billion mile barge pole

colin25

30-06-2013 11:23

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 35590387)

Slight exaggeration? Don't you mean 1/2 billion, or 0.346 billion pole :)

denphone

30-06-2013 11:25

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35590389)

Slight exaggeration? Don't you mean 1/2 billion, or 0.346 billion pole :)

Lets be more descriptive in that l would not go to them in a million years.:)

ocav	30-06-2013 11:38

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35590391)

Lets be more descriptive in that l would not go to them in a million years.:)

Why would anyone?
Only Freeview HD channels and some additional non HD channels delivered over the Internet, wow I don't think even Sky can offer such a good deal.

colin25

30-06-2013 11:43

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Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35590396)

Why would anyone?
Only Freeview HD channels and some additional non HD channels delivered over the Internet, wow I don't think even Sky can offer such a good deal.

BT infinity...BT sports free

ocav	30-06-2013 12:01

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35590399)

BT infinity...BT sports free

Which isn't as good as the 120mb connection from Virgin and I'd much rather have entertainment channels/movie channels that I can watch in HD than a channel for free I'd probably watch once a week.

It's an inferior product to both Sky and Virgin.

Dave42

30-06-2013 12:06

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Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35590404)

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

colin25

30-06-2013 12:27

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Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35590404)

Stop..I didn't say do without Sky or virgin, I said Broadband with free BT sports

And i disagree, having used all three, Virgin is pants for game playing, Sky is slightly better than pants, and so far BT is good

As to whether 120 mb is better than 60mb, no doubt faster...but for what purpose? Web browsing (no real difference), watching video? No difference as you can watch while downloading or save for later

Now adding BT infinity (free bt sports) and sky tv with sky sports...life is ok

Need the lottery win to say good :D

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oh and

:clap::clap::clap::clap:

:D

johnasimmons

30-06-2013 14:24

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We might hear more in July about any changes to the Sky Basic package being renegotiated :)

Doug P

30-06-2013 15:05

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Originally Posted by ocav (Post 35590404)

Exactly. Also to me in some very nasty experience the problems with VM customer service such as they are pale into nothing compared to BT.

denphone

30-06-2013 15:30

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 2.

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Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35590496)

We might hear more in July about any changes to the Sky Basic package being renegotiated :)

Indeed it certainly will be a interesting period.:)

DaMac

30-06-2013 17:35

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 2.

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Originally Posted by colin25 (Post 35590410)

Also add to the fact IF you are a heavy Internet user virgin now don't want you to be able to use your account for anything remotely heavy till 11pm at night... So your 120mb isn't doing you any good, you might as well be on BT 60 mb and use it heavily during peak times.

ocav	30-06-2013 17:43

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Originally Posted by johnasimmons (Post 35590496)

We might hear more in July about any changes to the Sky Basic package being renegotiated :)

Well I did think they were leaving it a bit late for a June News Update ;)

BexTech

30-06-2013 17:45

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Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35590595)

I agree.

You get better upload speed on BT too, which I would rather have.

Seems the best solution is BT Line, BT Fibre Broadband and Sky TV.

Just no BT Fibre here yet and no date given to when there will be :(

Doug P

30-06-2013 17:48

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Not bothered about stats about BT. Am bothered about their rotten customer service and their two fingers to anyone who cannot or does not want their bb.

Qtx	30-06-2013 17:57

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Originally Posted by BexTech (Post 35590600)

The upload speed makes a huge difference. It's something you might not think you need until you make use of it and then appreciate how much quicker the task completes.

Maybe the BT TV is a better choice than Sky if you are in to sport considering what they are offering at the moment? No being in to sports I think the Sky package suits me better and I often make use of the Sky go app on my android phone while having to wait around places. Defo an individual household choice depending on your needs.

BexTech

30-06-2013 18:06

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Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35590604)

Yeah, I really could do with the faster uploads.

As for BT Vision, not interested TBH, Sky will do me, plus as long as I had BT Broadband I get free BT Sports on the same satellite.

passingbat

30-06-2013 18:25

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Originally Posted by DaMac (Post 35590595)

Also add to the fact IF you are a heavy Internet user virgin now don't want you to be able to use your account for anything remotely heavy till 11pm at night... .

What do you define as heavy? I stream a huge amount of video content, much of it HD, throughout the day with no problem whatsoever.

I think you're perpetuating a false perception that I have found to be totally untrue.

Mad Max

30-06-2013 18:30

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35590616)

This......:tu:

devilincarnate

30-06-2013 18:47

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Originally Posted by denphone (Post 35590526)

Indeed it certainly will be a interesting period.:)

Why is it the 28th day again:erm:

MalteseFalcon

30-06-2013 21:40

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I use around 100GB of traffic a day, both up and down. Apart from between 6 to 7pm, I have little trouble consistently getting speeds of 30MB/s and over. Only gripe would be the upload speed, but apparently once the BB speed increase comes into effect in my area it will go from 1 to 3MB/s.

alwaysabear

30-06-2013 22:33

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35590616)

:clap:

Qtx	30-06-2013 22:43

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35590616)

What do you define as heavy? I stream a huge amount of video content, much of it HD, throughout the day with no problem whatsoever.

Obviously he was referring to the traffic management between 4pm and 11pm where Virgin slow you down if you hit 2.7GB of traffic within an hour. Different limits of different tiers but his comment was correct about VM not wanting you to use the connection heavy at those times, otherwise they wouldn't have the limits :rolleyes:

passingbat

30-06-2013 23:39

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Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35590715)

but his comment was correct about VM not wanting you to use the connection heavy at those times, otherwise they wouldn't have the limits :rolleyes:

But it has no effect in practice for the vast majority of users, myself (a heavy user) included.

It is therefore being used as a red herring for people who want to attack VM. And I suspect that for many of the people using this red herring, their current speed is slower than the speed you get from VM even when the VM speed is capped. I don't know whether that makes it funny or pathetic.

Qtx	30-06-2013 23:56

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35590729)

I would have to disagree with you about it being a red herring. While it is his opinion that 60meg BT would be better, the fact that you can only use your VM connection for about 15 minutes at full speed before they limit your speed to whatever percent, shows that you don't even have to be a heavy user to be affected.

As for the FTTC customers here on 80Meg, they all seem to constantly get that speed as well as the 20meg upload. With no slowing down of their connection and no congestion, I would say it is a better choice.

40mbit is more than enough for my use and I consistently get it even when I download 30GB in an evening. Find the upload more useful tbh. 20mbit is more than enough for most households at this point in time really, the speed thing is really a bit of a con.

denphone

01-07-2013 06:16

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Originally Posted by passingbat (Post 35590616)

Summed up perfectly PB.

andy_m

01-07-2013 06:22

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Originally Posted by Qtx (Post 35590734)

I would have to disagree with you about it being a red herring. While it is his opinion that 60meg BT would be better, the fact that you can only use your VM connection for about 15 minutes at full speed before they limit your speed to whatever percent, shows that you don't even have to be a heavy user to be affected.

As for the FTTC customers here on 80Meg, they all seem to constantly get that speed as well as the 20meg upload. With no slowing down of their connection and no congestion, I would say it is a better choice.

40mbit is more than enough for my use and I consistently get it even when I download 30GB in an evening. Find the upload more useful tbh. 20mbit is more than enough for most households at this point in time really, the speed thing is really a bit of a con.

So what's the problem, then?

passingbat

01-07-2013 08:34

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Originally Posted by andy_m (Post 35590760)

So what's the problem, then?

There isn't one. In my opinion, Qtx just likes to attack VM and will spin anything he can, just to do so.

Media Boy UK

01-07-2013 10:38

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 2.

Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 3 has now launched.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...l#post35590815

This thread will close soon.

Kymmy

01-07-2013 10:54

Re: Coming Soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 2.

Closed as requested

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