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what the kids? that sounds a bit harsh ;)

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ha ha :D

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Well if that is how it works on a Tivo (post 2700) then thats fine by me.

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I am using a V+; still waiting for the 'TIVO call' :( :)

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They won't do it if it risks pushing people to Sky. Mr Murdoch has his uses!

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I think I may regret the raffle. If I lose I will take twice as long having to register again for another one lol.

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I don't think it changes your place in the queue, just if you get it "free" :)

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If you have already pre registered do not worry as this is just a competition.

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The £10 monthly fee had nothing to do with why TiVo didn't take off in the UK. Sky was meant to work with TiVo but screwed them over when it launch Sky+

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I didnt pre-register, I do want a TiVO and I entered the competition after seeing it. But if I do not get one I will still pay for one. :)

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All i really want is a bigger hard drive,Should be a way to switch off the apps then it would just be a recordable box and no monthly charge.Sky are gonna love this £3 charge

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I just got my ticket in the post & have registered my interest.
Just gotta wait & hope now. :D

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And why would they love this charge?
If VM could get deals with LOVE FILM, BLOCKBUSTER or even EPIX HD they could offer these instead of SKY Movies as subscriptions and depending on the CC ruling who knows what could be on the cards.

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If VM via Tivo Internet/apps can gain access to all film content generally available and in HD, then there would be no point subscribing to Sky Movies unless you absolutelly want to be ther first to see a film in a few cases, an interesting thought!

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Problem is mate Lovefilm streaming doesn't do HD. ;)

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The main one i want is EPIX HD as it is movies on demand, tv channel and on your pc. They are not outside the US yet but they are working on it here is the website:

http://www.epixhd.com/

And what is EPIX HD

http://corp.epixhd.com/
I can hope.

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But if Lovefilm had access to a 4M customer base via VM 10MB port dedicated to this purpose to ensure quality of service, they would be interested in provide HD, with maybe a premium price over current Lovefilm charges?? I see a business opportunity here which would help both parties.

Isn't the opportunity here that VMs Tivo solution opens up a convenient route to streaming HD films to peoples houses?

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With Amazon fully ownig lovefilm now, I suspect HD is already in their plans.

Personally, I'd like a subscription model, not a 'pay per movie' model, which I can get now via my Sony blueray player.

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Have you read this http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35176589-post1.html

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I disagree. TiVo had a full year headstart on Sky and only sold 35k in it's first 18 months (12 months of those Sky+ wasn't even available, the next 6 months it was limited in availability).

I remember the Sky marketing for TiVo - it did exist. It was on their 999 welcome channel on a continuous loop, and Sky boxes weren't exactly on 24/7 at the time so it was definitely seen. People just didn't want it and no amount of marketing can sell something the public don't want.

When Sky+ came along a year after TiVo it gave people (in general) what they wanted - record and watch something else at the same time (like the VCR they were used to). TiVo was a geek's niche (probably why I had it!)

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Sky were saying that they would bring out an intergrated PVR, at the same time as "promoting" TiVo. Customers just held on till an all in one box was launched.

Sky+ was very pricey when 1st launched.. close on £380 :shocked:

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It still is , us geeks love it but the majority aren't bothered about YouTube and suggestions.

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50,000+ pre regs dissagree with you. :)

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But early adopters like us are geeks. Plus a lot of them won't place orders when they realise they have to pay a monthly sub as well as the upfront cost.

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Or, people had no idea what a PVR was, and just didn't want TiVo? Enthusiasts read press releases - the general public don't. I don't ever recall anyone saying "don't buy a TiVo coz Sky have a better one coming next year", from the press/Sky or anyone I came into contact with (and I worked in the industry at the time).

I'd be interested to see how many Sky had shifted after their first 18 months to put the myth to bed that Sky completely ruined TiVo in any way other than launching a different product that suited people's needs better.

TiVo was £400 - both pricey products when a VCR could probably be had for less than half the price.

---------- Post added at 17:51 ---------- Previous post was at 17:48 ----------

Exactly!!!

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You can stream or download bluray movies from LoveFilm to the PS3..

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It's the reason I and a few of my friends didn't buy one... we waited for Sky+, which was good, but a little basic compared to what TiVo could do, but we thought it was going to be the same....

Sky dropped the price to £249/£279 and thats when I got mine. I wanted the integration too.

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You cannot stream blu-ray movies from Lovefilm trust me.

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The V+ box used to cost £150 just like the TiVo and at present the is around a million in circulation according to this site. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%2B

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What does that prove? That when TiVo has been around as long as V+ there will be around a million of those in circulation?

I don't really see your point.

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Can you see the actual registers. :shocked:

Does this count as the raffle too or just pre-orders?

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Everyone is fixated on cost but fail to realise that the TiVo is very different to any other PVR box around and if you actually order one you will all being eating humble pie and saying that it is worth every penny.

But if you feel that it is to much of a price to pay then why are you all here just vote with your feet and walk away even if you get a call asking you if you want to order one as the will be others more than happy to take your place.

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My TiVo just didn't impress people I showed it to - you had to get into the mindset of not watching live tv any more. People just couldn't grasp why you would want to do that.

I wouldn't say Sky+ was basic - it just gave you the main portion of the PVR experience, and left out the complicated stuff to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Was there not a time Sky+ could not record on both tuners and watch a recording because Sky thought it was too much for people to grasp? :-)

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You are trying to say it's only for geeks, but 1million V+ owners show it isn't.

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VM can, yes. This is just pre regs. :)

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Where did I say PVR's are only for geeks? I said TiVo (in 2000 when it was released), was a geek's niche. I said nothing about now, or anything about V+ for that matter, so there's no need to put words in my mouth.

1m V+ owners proves nothing about people's opinion of TiVo. It proves 1m people wanted a V+ box on the terms they were offered one. Nothing more.

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Masque who is saying they aren't going to order one , I'm saying many lower tier subscribers won't make jump to XL and pay another 3.00 for TIVO IMHO.

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It proves PVR's are not niche products, but wanted and used by many. :)

TiVo is the king of PVR's as I'm sure you already know :)

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Im on xl and wont be making the jump yet,Personally think price is a tad extreme and the £3 per month is like a step back in time.I registered interest but at time never imagined these prices

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That was the point I was making loads registered , but loads won't follow through.

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but if you ask the 1 million V+ customers would they pay £149 and £3 a month (likely to rise year on year as all things do) for the ability to record and playback later i suspect a large proportion would say "why should I , I currently do that for free and am happy"

people are forgetting that any charge WILL increase year on year .. everything always does ... nothing ever decreases in price unless due to depreciation and that is a fact of life sadly

:)

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Can i just say that up until a few years ago I thought that all the new tech was a waste of time and that I was happy with just the basic tech. But now I have to say that with 2 kids and another on the way I have to say that I want the best and TIVO will help a lot in regards to what we want to watch and record.
I would like to win one through the raffle and also I would pay for one as the kids are growing up all their viewing habits change so having a box that will be able to suggest thing based on viewing habits is a must. My view may cause a few posts on here but i have to say that it is my view ( also I have 50MB BB as we stream the i-player through the house ) so the ability to change the boxes that you are viewing on ( when available ) will be a necessity.

Rant over

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nobody should make adverse comments about your post or your opinions :) ... there is nothing wrong with what you have expressed

the old saying springs to mind .. 'you get what you pay for' and that just about holds true on most new high tech stuff ... though you may argue with Intels CPU pricing with that one LOL

if you want 2 tivos then go for them and dont let anyone sway you ... i just have this nagging doubt about VM holding the prices down after a year or two ... lets face it there is money to be made out of tivo and VM need money :shocked:

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The interesting thing is that vm state they want to move everyone eventually over to tivo,They cant force people to pay £149 for tivo and they cant also tell people they have to pay a extra £3 to use there box either.People are likely to leave in droves.Fair enough its a new product and it is your choice to have it straight away at a cost but i think the £3 per month is a big mistake on vm`s part,I am included in the offical forthcoming raffle and if i win one great.But after twelve month`s can i go back to a V+Hd box because i wont pay £3 per month to continue to use it?

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from comments earlier ... NO .. the box would be downgraded to a V HD standard box with no recording facilities and a single tuner unless you continue the tivo sub

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well thats one draw i dont want to be a winner on :D

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TiVo will come down in price like all technology does. Plus the monthly fee may change too.. it may be absorbed in to XL eventually, with lower tiers paying £5 (like V+HD) who knows...

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The £3 charge should be absorbed in the xl tier now,Think vm have made a bad call here matey !!!!!!!!!

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Just had Virgin's 'lottery' e-mail so after a discussion with the wife we agreed that in the unlikely event of getting a box she can keep the old TV drive downstairs and the TiVo can go upstairs in the bedroom. I want one as it's better than one tuner and no hard drive in a standard V box :)

Would just say to everyone don't give up yet they are obviously still working their way through all the accounts.

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When did Virgin Media register as a charity?

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/06/21.gif

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I think it was .................................................. some time never. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/02/16.gif

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this is where the problem lies ... VM are a business with shareholders and therefore are more likely to increase charges than absorb then in the future ... like it or not VM do want to make profits and tivo is a potential cash cow for them

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As a VIP50 customer, if I upgrade to TiVo I was going to keep my V+HD box and return the standard V HD Box. Can anyone tell what that'll do to my package price? It means I would have both Tivo and a fully functional V+HD box. Would the price go down as I'm removing the £6.50 per month V HD Box from my package and replacing it with a £3.00 per month TiVo box instead?

All this talk of potentially loosing the recording function on TiVo has me concerned. All the more reason to cling onto the V+HD box with all my might:D

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As the TiVo has not been launched then no one can tell you what difference it may make to your package.

If I had 2 boxes I would keep the V+ out of the 2.

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Nice conspiracy theory and if you keep saying it, no doubt it will end up on someones blog.

https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2011/02/14.gif

VM already give you inclusive HD, TV Choice, Music On Demand and ESPN on XL.

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Thanks for the feedback Masque. I thought I had seen non-staff with TiVo or at least TiVo booked for installation in this thread. I just thought someone else may have already experienced this scenario / potential price change and would like to share their findings.

I'm a patient man so I'll just wait and see.

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If you check both the stock markets that VMED is listed on you will see that the dividends are minus so i think that the shareholders are not getting a good pay-out ( at the moment )

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Not aware of anything and only someone that has had one installed could tell you but maybe not until at least the first bill.

As I said keep your V+ when you sign up little point in keeping a standard box.

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dont get me wrong im not knocking VM ... i like VM ... but they are in the business to make money just like every other business ... they dont give things for free unless they are getting something out of it themselves some where along the line

i applaud VM for sticking to their guns and refusing to pay sky extortionate amounts for their channels but at the end of the day VM are in the business of making money and shareholders do want a payout in dividends and of course staff hope for bonuses too :D

an opportunity to pay off some of the debts maybe to big a temptation to someone with some power ... may not be the current CEO but who knows what the future holds

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When the TV Drive first came out Telewest were asking £10 a month for it on what is now XL and £15 on the other packages on top of any install fees. People seemed quite happy to pay it then.

So personally I think £3 for TiVo is a bargain

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Especially once you've experienced all it's TiVo'ness

:romance:

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Depends on the app.

For example, the Lovefilm app on my Sammy TV is free to download, but of course requires you to be a paid subscriber to Lovefilm in order to use it.

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Exactly... there will be plenty of free apps and paid for apps that peeps want :)

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But it wouldn't be 4 million customers.

It would be the Lovefilm subscribers among those 4 million customers.

As for HD, this has been promised from Lovefilm for a while now. Coming soon, baby! ;)

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As Amazon now own Lovefilm its more likely to be sooner than later.

Also it would be easy for VM to do a deal with Lovefilm so that the content is available via a dedicated link to speed things up or even have Lovefilm servers on the VM network. The 10 meg BB in the TiVo would be good enough for great HD quality streamed to the box.

With Lovefilm content there would be masses of VOD added to that available and so would be a money maker for both on a pay to view as well as subscription basis with VM taking a cut.

Win Win for both of them and us :D

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I don't know if it's been posted, but there is another new competition for 1000 people to win TiVo free for a year, without the need for a unique code or anything.

http://www.virginmedia.com/wintivo

Don't worry if it says you are called Phil at the end, it is happening to other people.

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link not working :confused:

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Sorry it's "wintivo" not "tivowin"... amended.:)

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Looks like it shouldn't have been live as it's a broken link now

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Thanks

details entered :D

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Works here and redirects to:
http://www.virginmediapeople.com/wintivo/?buspart=DM_34

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Sorry, I entered the wrong URL. As mentioned above, if you follow the link now it does work.:)

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We have our parental control settings set to 'standard' I think and set to 'off' for viewing recordings and wedon't have to use the PIN to watch recordings any time of the day for any of the shows you've mentioned above. We do have to use it before 9pm for anything we've recorded from a Sky Movies channel (excl family).

I've just had to re-set this for the replacement V+ we just got as I couldn't understand why it was asking for our PIN and our other one wasn't for the same programmes.

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while i agree in general £3 is probably a bargain (cant say for sure because i cant experience tivo as they havent offered it to me and even then im not gonna pay £149 to test to see if i like it) there must be the danger of it spiraling with add ons , inflation , vat and any other tax that might get added (not sure is the tivo sub £3 or £3+vat@20%)

i guess the question for each of us as individuals is ... where do you draw the line on 'how much is it worth to you' ... losing DVR/PVR capability is a high price for testing a tivo box now for 30 days as i doubt they will replace the tivo with a V+ box again if i didnt like the tivo or didnt need the full tivo services within the 30 day trial which i assume applies to tivo upgrades the same as other upgrades

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Virgin don't trial their services.

They do a 28 Day Money Back Guarantee, but that's not the same thing. Most of the time Virgin would (rightly) think that if you phone up and ask for a service, unless something goes seriously wrong, then you will keep it

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Hi
Just had my gamble for free TIVO for 12 mths, with unique code.
Roll on March 20th.
If i do'nt win one I'll get one by paying for it, so either way its win -win

Regards

Billc

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I've already had the call and am having my Tivo service installed on Tuesday. Can I still register for this do you think?

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Yeah, but Lovefilm don't have THAT much content to stream (yet) - they only have the rights to stream 5,000 films to compared to their DVD-Blu Ray rental selection of almost 69,000. Even with the backing of Amazon, securing the additional rights to stream more films will take time, especially taking into account The Sky Factor and their collection of VOD rights:

http://paidcontent.co.uk/article/419...tals-business/

Also take into account that the cheapest streaming option from Lovefilm costs £5.91 for 2 hours of streamed content per month. Unlimited streaming starts from £9.18. I think the chances of VM doing some kind of content deal with Lovefilm (where streamed content is included within XL/Tivo charge) is slim.

Also take into account that films from Universal Studios are unavailable to rent/stream from Lovefilm, along with other films which other services have exclusive deals for (like the new Robin Hood film - exclusive to rent from Blockbuster).

Having said all that, Lovefilm is a must-app TiVo app, in my opinion, especially if Lovefilm stream in HD (and that 10mb pipe can actually go up to 20mb- lovely jubbly :D):
http://virgintivo.blogspot.com/2011/...in-medias.html

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Question: Does the TV Guide (EPG) update as fast as Sky with TiVO.

Like for example if a program runs over will it show that on the guide?

Re: TiVo
 

It should do, yes.

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Brilliant thanks. :)

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I had a missed call from virgin a few days after registering with the unique code, any idea if you can phone them back.

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There is a number on here some where I have seen knocking around.but I don't think they like you using it.

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They do not accept incoming calls and they will call you back if it was the TiVo team.

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Sky+ was 10.00 a PVR was a luxury , now its becoming standard with Sky hence no Sky+ fee.

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Will the Tivos given out as part of the "one of the first" ticket competition have 2 or 3 tuners?

I don't think I could give up the extra tuner as we often record 2 things while watching a third around prime time.

I don't think it is worth me entering the draw.

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You will be able to keep the V+ as well if required.

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OK, thanks. Might get a bit complicated with remotes if I was to win a tivo though.

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All TiVo have 3 tuners, only 2 are active now and the 3rd tuner will be become active thanks to a software update (in March I've read).

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This is correct. 3rd tuner will be turned on in March

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thanks for the link just filled it in ,whould have missed my chance

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Brilliant, thanks for the info. All fingers crossed now.

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Is this the same draw as the one with the URN number, or different?

I got the email with the URN last night and filled that in and got the confirmation reply.

I also filled in the form from the link above and got a confirmation reply.

Does that mean I'm in two draws?

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I had that at first, i.e. asking for a pin when switching to Sky News at 2pm in the afternoon :)

But after it was fully updated that disappeared.

Re: TiVo
 

If there is no guide data (i.e. after install) the TiVo box will pin protect channels by default.

---------- Post added at 11:37 ---------- Previous post was at 11:36 ----------

You'll be disqualified if you've entered twice.

Re: TiVo
 

Makes sense. cheers.

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How have I entered twice? Where is the explanation to say this is the same draw; one requires number, one doesn't? If it's the same draw, what's the point of the number?

I'm not likley to win, and happy to pay for TIVO, but will be angry if VM's lack of clarity gets me disqulified from the draw.

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Yay installer turned up.. but with only 1 Tivo. Now he's run off to find a second one :p

I could have bet money on that happening... OTOH the updates for the first one currently saying 'this could take up to an hour' so no loss I guess.

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Usually up and running within 30 mins :) Enjoy!!!

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is it a different form? if so, then you'll be ok.

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The way Virgin have communicated about tivo since late last year has been nothing short of shambolicness, theres no getting away from that as far as l am concerned, l am willing to pay the money for it but Virgin it seems cannot get anything to arrive on time it seems.