Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

Even with a trade deal, the proportion of non-UK components in Toyota and Nissan cars assembled in the UK will make them liable for 10% tax when sold in the EU. This is an under-reported elephant in the room.**

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Toyota, Nissan to seek reimbursement from UK if Brexit talks fail - Nikkei
The companies are bracing for an additional 10% EU tax on automobile imports from Britain and are demanding that the government pays for such additional customs costs, the report [in Nikkei] said, without citing sources...

Nissan has a manufacturing plant in Sunderland, northern England, that employs 7,000. That would be "unsustainable" if Britain leaves the EU without a trade deal, Nissan said in June.

More details of that under-reported elephant in the room:

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In a letter to the auto industry, David Frost conceded that he had failed to convince Brussels to take a more flexible approach when it came to assessing how cars manufactured using non-EU parts could qualify for zero-tariff access to the bloc under a trade deal.

The UK has been pushing during trade negotiations for manufacturers to be able to count, or “cumulate” Turkish, Japanese or other non-EU inputs as “local” for the purposes of exporting under the agreement but Brussels has rejected the request.

Under standard EU trade rules, a vehicle must typically be 55 per cent “locally made” in order to qualify for zero-tariff access to the bloc.The letter raises fears in the industry that a lopsided trade deal will allow European cars from Germany or France to be imported to the UK without tariffs, but that British-built models will be penalised for not meeting the rules — pressuring manufacturers to raise prices or shift production to the continent to remain competitive.

https://www.ft.com/content/4fa4732b-...4-c8ae1cd80a78

RichardCoulter

06-10-2020 18:22

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MI5 warn of IRA action at Brexit checkpoints:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-MPs-warn.html

papa smurf

07-10-2020 21:25

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Brexit VINDICATED: No data misused in EU vote despite Remainer claims- END of 3-year probe

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...vention-latest

The Information Commission has said no evidence has been found to indicate either SCL Elections Ltd or Cambridge Analytics intervened in the 2016 EU referendum. After a three year investigation it found no suggestion the digital marketing firm misused data in an attempt to influence the EU vote or helped facilitate Russian intervention in the political process

The SCL group, which was dissolved in 2018, had been accused of using illegally harvested personal data to influence the results of both the EU referendum and the 2016 US Presidential election.

But the three-year probe, which has been described by the authority as the largest ever undertaken by such an organisation, found no evidence this was the case.

Hugh	07-10-2020 22:01

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Actual report

https://ico.org.uk/media/action-weve...-knight-mp.pdf

Sephiroth

09-10-2020 09:55

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Patriotic Remainers take note of this very succinct analysis in yesterday's Torygraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ext-ted-heath/

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Like all good postmodern stories, Britain’s EU nightmare is ending at the beginning. Forty-seven years after seducing Edward Heath into agreeing egregious terms for the UK’s entry to the EEC, Brussels seeks yet again to tempt a prime minister into betrayal. The present is the past through the looking glass. In 1973, the price for joining the EEC was our sovereignty over our laws and our waters; in 2020 the price for leaving the EU is our sovereignty over our laws and our waters. Unless an honest offer from Brussels materialises, Johnson – like Heath before him – faces two choices: walk away or try to deceive a nation with an appalling deal.

heero_yuy

09-10-2020 10:06

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Johnson – like Heath before him – faces two choices: walk away or try to deceive a nation with an appalling deal.

Fool me once: Shame on you. Fool me twice: Shame on me.

jonbxx

09-10-2020 11:16

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36053130)

Patriotic Remainers take note of this very succinct analysis in yesterday's Torygraph.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ext-ted-heath/

Unfortunately, I can't read the whole article, just the beginning bit. Does it mention this from the 1970 Conservative Party Manifesto;

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If we can negotiate the right terms, we believe that it would be in the long-term interest of the British people for Britain to join the European Economic Community, and that it would make a major contribution to both the prosperity and the security of our country. The opportunities are immense. Economic growth and a higher standard of living would result from having a larger market.

Or the fact that the UK had a referendum 2 years after accession where 67% of the votes went for continuing membership?

Or the fact that the politicians who wanted to leave the EEC included Michael Foot, Tony Benn and Barbara Castle while Margaret Thatcher and 249 out of 275 Conservative MPs voted to remain in a free vote?

1andrew1

09-10-2020 11:25

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36053144)

Unfortunately, I can't read the whole article, just the beginning bit. Does it mention this from the 1970 Conservative Party Manifesto;

Or the fact that the UK had a referendum 2 years after accession where 67% of the votes went for continuing membership?

Or the fact that the politicians who wanted to leave the EEC included Michael Foot, Tony Benn and Barbara Castle while Margaret Thatcher and 249 out of 275 Conservative MPs voted to remain in a free vote?

Robust analysis. Maggie would be turning in her grave if she could read the interventionistic agenda of the Cummings-BoJo government.

pip08456

09-10-2020 11:47

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36053145)

Robust analysis. Maggie would be turning in her grave if she could read the interventionistic agenda of the Cummings-BoJo government.

Not really, had it remained the EEC we would probibly still be members.

jonbxx

09-10-2020 12:22

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36053146)

Not really, had it remained the EEC we would probibly still be members.

Dunno, she is regarded as the architect of the Single Market and brought in Qualified Majority voting in the European Council to help move things along.

Of course, she was not so keen on some of the regulatory aspects but a single market cannot exist without a common rule book.

Hugh	09-10-2020 13:08

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Originally Posted by jonbxx (Post 36053149)

https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107219

pip08456

09-10-2020 13:24

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36053154)

https://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107219

I like this bit.

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[There was a tendency in Europe to talk in lofty tones of European Union.That may be good for the soul. But the body—Europe's firms and organisations and the people who work in them—needs something more nourishing.]

Sephiroth

09-10-2020 13:45

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Originally Posted by pip08456 (Post 36053156)

I like this bit.

They're still dead lofty.. Their Foreign Minister is the "High Representative".

TheDaddy

09-10-2020 15:58

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36052386)

Broadly, I think a patriot extols the virtues of their homeland and seeks its improvement where it is found wanting. A nationalist believes their homeland is superior to foreign lands and may have some difficulty accepting theirs has any significant flaws at all.

I wonder what a patriot would make of the food and animal welfare amendments to the agriculture bill being rejected by the government the other day with the admission that further trade deals would be next to impossible if we don't lower our standards

pip08456

13-10-2020 12:42

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The French fishermen are getting a bit upset. Perhaps they should've thought more about the future when overfishing their waters?

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Fisherman Laurent Merlin said: "There is no fish left for us in French waters.

"Sole has completely disappeared already, the small amount that is left is in British waters.

"It's not much better, but it's better than in French waters, we will definitely disappear that is for sure."

French fishermen have repeatedly argued that if British fishermen reclaim their waters they will lose their livelihoods.

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