Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

Your solution, presumably, is to become part of the EU as a net beneficiary.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36050928)

If the British Government wants to tell 900,000 unionists in Northern Ireland that Queen and Country is more than willing to abandon them after marching for 300 years then I genuinely look forward to this message. Hopefully someone gets Arlene Foster's reaction and that of Ian Paisley Jnr when they are told.

Separation has consequences.

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Originally Posted by jfman (Post 36050936)

Scotland would at least know where it was and have control of its destiny. England would still be clutching around trying to find relevance it seems to have lost around 1945.

An impoverished country is not in control of its destiny. Unless impoverishment is the objective.

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36050931)

If it ends up as England and Wales, would it still be called Great Britain? Genuinely don't know the answer as to what a rump nation could be called.

That 'rump nation' is the only one that makes money, so it will still be Great.

What's wrong with Great Royal England? :D

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36050938)

Nothing to stop a customs union between Scotand and England-Wales.

Except the will of the English people. There will be no customs union with the EU, which Scotland and Wales would expect to be part of if they were to separate from the UK.

1andrew1

22-09-2020 19:30

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051176)

Except the will of the English people. There will be no customs union with the EU, which Scotland and Wales would expect to be part of if they were to separate from the UK.

I don't think Wales will separate from England. If NI and Scotland left then it would be England & Wales.

Scotland would initially want some kind of customs union with England & Wales from day one to smoothen independence. Its relationship with the EU would take longer to sort out; perhaps it would join the EU at the same time as England-Wales in say 25+ years' time. Who knows?

OLD BOY

22-09-2020 19:32

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051190)

Still, you are assuming that England/Wales would agree to such a union. What would be in it for us?

1andrew1

22-09-2020 19:49

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051191)

Still, you are assuming that England/Wales would agree to such a union. What would be in it for us?

Trade is not a zero sum game and a smaller customs union without Scotland might result in our trade deals with third countries* being renegotiated.

pip08456

22-09-2020 20:43

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36051191)

Still, you are assuming that England/Wales would agree to such a union. What would be in it for us?

There is no union to be agreed to. Wales is a Pricipality of England at present.

Dave42

23-09-2020 11:32

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Bloomberg Brexit
@Brexit
BREAKING: JPMorgan is moving about 200 billion euros ($230 billion) from the U.K. to Frankfurt as a result of Brexit, a shift that will make it one of the largest banks in Germany

Carth

23-09-2020 11:39

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36051238)

and?

Money moves around every day . . . it's probably not even real money :p:

Chris

23-09-2020 11:51

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36051238)

However

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The assets to be shifted represent slightly less than 10% of JPMorgan’s total balance sheet.

and

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... it’s not just Brexit. JPMorgan has repeatedly said that its German unit will seek market share in investment banking, corporate banking and wealth management.

1andrew1

23-09-2020 11:54

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Originally Posted by Dave42 (Post 36051238)

Nothing to see, please move on everybody! ;)

1andrew1

23-09-2020 14:24

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Good to see this myth corrected.

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EU not contemplating blocking Northern Ireland food supplies, say its retailers

The EU is not contemplating blocking food supplies to Northern Ireland, a representative of the country’s largest supermarkets has said.

rime Minister Boris Johnson said Brussels was threatening to use an “extreme interpretation” of the Northern Ireland Protocol to impose “a full-scale trade border down the Irish Sea” that could stop transport of food from Great Britain.

But Aodhan Connolly of the Northern Ireland Retail Consortium said he wanted to focus on facts.

“This has been blown out of proportion,” he said.

“We want to concentrate on the facts, remove the politics and look at the process. The EU have said that they would not, and have not, contemplated this.”

The consortium speaks for Sainsbury’s, Asda, Lidl and a range of other retailers.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgntp

papa smurf

23-09-2020 14:38

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Gove issues urgent Brexit warning as businesses NEED to prepare for no deal -100 days away

MICHAEL GOVE has urged businesses to prepare for the end of the transition period, including a no deal Brexit, during a speech in the House of Commons after releasing the details of a reasonable worst case scenario.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...repare-commons

Sephiroth

23-09-2020 14:40

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But you can be sure that if there's anything the EU doesn't like about the cross-sea trade, they'll use every means possible to assert themselves upon us.

That said, the legislation necessary for us to put EU pressure aside need only be put into place at the time, as there will be something akin to a national emergency.

I can hear people saying that it's best to be prepared now; but to put a spanner into the trade deal negotiations' works is unnecessarily foolish.

Carth

23-09-2020 14:42

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Bottom line . . . he's just a bloke that works in retail.

I do admire the way you manage to find non stories though Andrew :D

nomadking

23-09-2020 14:48

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051255)

Good to see this myth corrected.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgntp

So what? It's the fact that the EU hasn't agreed to certain matters, that automatically puts a block on things.

If it didn't, the bill wouldn't be needed as the UK could simply not agree to anything and the UK could simply do what it wants anyway. So either the EU is putting a block on several matters, or we can, within the NI protocol, do what we want without needing this bill. Which is it?:rolleyes:

1andrew1

23-09-2020 14:53

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36051260)

I think we can take the word of an organisation that represents NI's leading supermarkets that food deliveries to NI won't be blocked. :rolleyes:
If BoJo can step up and finally unveil his state aid proposals that would help too. ;)

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