Cable Forum - Will Scotland Leave the UK?

Maybe the UK government will enact some legislation to state that future referendums need a 2/3 majority to alter the status quo? And then happily have an independence referendum for Scotland?

You've got a future in Govt. Andrew ! ;)

Mind you that might make another vote we had look suspect.....

Hom3r

10-05-2021 11:38

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This anti-English/Scottish is BS.

My niece was in a relationship with a young woman from Glasgow. R and her mum where both pro Brexit and pro Union.

R even got a job down here to be with my niece, I got on with her very well as we both worked in aviation (she was cabin crew), we both liked Queen.

When my niece went to Glasgow she was never referred to a Sassenach

Sephiroth

10-05-2021 17:35

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Someone somewhere today suggested a referendum in 2027. Seems a sound idea to me. Boris could offer this and then let it rip, so to speak.

She'll want to carry the moment; he'll want to build a better Scotland in the 6 years lead-in.

Should be real fun.

Sephiroth

17-07-2021 22:31

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This could get very tasty. I don't know what you lot think, but Boris is worth at least 3% for independence - which would at least bring it to 48/52!

Anyway, look at the long list of pitfalls on the way, seen from my point of view calculated to rile Sturgeon:

Who can vote?
- The diaspora of those born in Scotland and residing in the UK?
- Offspring not born in Scotland?
- Over-18s only?
- Will Scots living in England lose British citizenship if independence happens

Military arrangements
- Who must leave the British Army/Navy/Airforce?
- Scottish submarine bases to become British Sovereign bases?

Currency
- Can they keep the Pound?
- Will they survive interest rate hikes if they keep the Pound?

Financial Settlement )will be a huge bunfight)
- Proportion of pensions payable in Scotland to be paid by Britain?
- Who owns what? Particularly the banks?
- Just in time supplies from England?

Border (and EU)
- What will the day 1 border arrangements be?
- Will many, many, Scots come to live in England before independence?
- What would their nationality be post-independence?
- If they join the EU, when would the border go up?
- Tariffs?
- Would someone try a sort of "Scotland Protocol"?
- Which British political party would wear that?

Lots more to add, no doubt. Oil is now dead. Scotland sells several times more stuff within the UK than they did with the EU.

The SNP idiots cite Norway as a small country that has succeeded; yes when oil was the bug thing, they set up a sovereign fund and moved forward with non-oil investments. Scotland has none of that. They also cite Ireland as a success story. Well, Ireland's going to be hurt by the G20 tax agreement because the USA will pressurise the companies that now remit profits to Ireland unless Ireland falls in line.

Exciting times ahead!

1andrew1

01-08-2021 21:52

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UK Government 'will not stand in the way' of IndyRef2 forever says Michael Gove

In an exclusive interview with the Sunday Mail, Gove – who heads Downing Street’s so-called Union Unit – said that if there is a “settled will” for a rerun of the 2014 vote, then “one will occur”.

Holding a legal vote would require the UK Government to grant Holyrood a Section 30 Order – something Johnson has so far refused to countenance.

But when asked if the Government would stand in the way forever, Gove said: “No, if it is the case that there is clearly a settled will in favour of a referendum, then one will occur.”

The Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster also revealed his admiration for Sturgeon, who has been compared favourably to Johnson over her handling of the pandemic.

He said: “Every week we have a meeting with Nicola and the leaders of the other devolved governments and the First Minister is a very intelligent and able person.“Obviously I disagree with her on lots of things but I do respect her.

"If I was not a Tory, it would be fascinating to chat about life and books but we’re on different sides so thatisn’t going to happen.

"However, if she invited me around for a cup of tea, I’d be delighted.”

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...d-way-24660942

nashville

01-08-2021 23:18

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Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35358466)

I think you mean what should we do about Scotland.

I think we should assist them in every way possible in the split.

Everyone in Scotland does not want to split, We certainly do not want the Nationalist to run our life’s, They are bringing Scotland down

Chris

01-08-2021 23:21

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36088209)

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...d-way-24660942

Well that’s mischievous. There are plenty of Nat headbangers who will distrust Sturgeon all the more when they find out Michael Gove likes her. :rofl:

1andrew1

01-08-2021 23:31

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Originally Posted by Chris (Post 36088217)

Well that’s mischievous. There are plenty of Nat headbangers who will distrust Sturgeon all the more when they find out Michael Gove likes her. :rofl:

A very Prime Ministerial interview. ;)

1andrew1

03-08-2021 13:22

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An interesting development. I wonder if Michael Gove was aware of this when he talked about accepting a settled will for an independence vote.

Quote:

Sturgeon on brink of cooperation deal with Scottish Greens

Exclusive: agreement would cement a pro-independence majority at Holyrood and may give Greens ministerial seats

Nicola Sturgeon is on the brink of signing a deal with the Scottish Greens that would cement a pro-independence majority at Holyrood and may see the Greens taking ministerial seats.

The Guardian understands a final agreement is close to being signed, with preparations under way to put the deal to Sturgeon’s cabinet as early as next Tuesday.

The formal deal, which will stop short of a full coalition of the kind agreed by the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats under David Cameron and Nick Clegg in 2010, would give the Scottish National party and Scottish Greens a clear majority of seats at Holyrood.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...cottish-greens

Chris

03-08-2021 13:53

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It’s been mooted ever since election day - so yes, he will have been aware of that possibility. Note however Gove’s reference to the settled will for a referendum, not settled will for independence. Believe it or not, polling is frequently less positive towards the idea of a second referendum than it is towards independence because a section of the “soft yes” electorate accepts the validity and the generational nature of the outcome in 2014. These voters accept there should not yet be another vote.

Polling support for independence has fallen after a brief spike in the middle of the pandemic. Recent polling on the question of whether there should even be another referendum is hard to come by. Whatever “settled will” means, it’s very unlikely Gove will agree there’s sufficient evidence for it any time soon.

OLD BOY

03-08-2021 20:40

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36088353)

An interesting development. I wonder if Michael Gove was aware of this when he talked about accepting a settled will for an independence vote.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...cottish-greens

Heaven help the Scots. The loonies governing Holyrood are recruiting more nutcases…..

Sephiroth

03-08-2021 20:44

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36088410)

Heaven help the Scots. The loonies governing Holyrood are recruiting more nutcases…..

well, Gove was born in Scotland.

TheDaddy

03-08-2021 23:12

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Originally Posted by OLD BOY (Post 36088410)

Heaven help the Scots. The loonies governing Holyrood are recruiting more nutcases…..

Is that worse than bozo rejecting 171 other candidates for mp and pick a Bullingdon club chum instead?

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36088414)

well, Gove was born in Scotland.

Gove should be the poster boy for the Conservative party considering his upbringing and yet he isn't...

1andrew1

10-08-2021 11:51

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Lots of oft-repeated talk about Scotland's oil revenues coming to an end. But far less talk about its wind power. The UK is the windiest country in Europe and Scotland has 25% of Europe's potential offshore wind and tidal resources. This could give a fillip to the nationalists when pressed on how an independent Scotland might pay its way.

https://www.gov.scot/publications/sc...plan/pages/49/

Pierre

10-08-2021 12:28

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36089256)

Scotland is far far behind England in Offshore wind, and they also have a much stronger fishing lobby, that are very anti-windfarm.

I don't think it's a silver bullet to replace oil revenues.

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