Cable Forum - UK & EU Agree Post-Brexit Trade Deal

A group of the UK’s most senior state aid lawyers have written to Boris Johnson offering to help design a post-Brexit subsidy regime for the UK and break the deadlock in the current EU-UK trade negotiations.

In an open letter to the prime minister the lawyers — drawn from across the spectrum of opinion on Brexit — offered to establish a “Subsidy Control Advisory Group” in order to “massively accelerate” the policy design process.

“We would like to offer the British government our help to set up such a regime in whatever way you deem most useful,” they wrote.

It was signed by members of the UK State Aid Law Association and other prominent lawyers, including pro-Brexit voices, like Martin Howe QC, and those more critical of the government, such as George Peretz QC.

https://www.ft.com/content/fb1a645e-...8-857fac15b2da

Carth

22-09-2020 10:49

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I can't read the article (again) so will have to guess that these " most senior state aid lawyers" are offering their services, now and in the future, for free.

Chris

22-09-2020 10:52

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SCAG.

nomadking

22-09-2020 11:22

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051116)

A good move from the country's lawyers. Let's hope Laurel & Hardy aka BoJo & Cummings seize this opportunity to give the EU a free trade deal.

https://www.ft.com/content/fb1a645e-...8-857fac15b2da

The primary block is the EUs insistence on fishing rights. They've said no trade deal without fishing rights. So "state aid" is a bit of a red herring.
Seeing as even in normal times the UK level of state aid is a few times below that of Germany, and then you have to add all the EU contributions to countries(eg 9 billion/year to Poland), the UK isn't exactly heavy on state aid.

1andrew1

22-09-2020 12:33

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36051130)

thought that about state aid but it's not the case - apparently we're the largest in Europe.

nomadking

22-09-2020 12:51

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051135)

thought that about state aid but it's not the case - apparently we're the largest in Europe.

Silly question I know, but where did you get your figures?:rolleyes:
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The UK public sector has spent less in business support than most other EU countries. In 2018, the UK spent 0.38% of GDP on state aid (excluding railways, and agriculture and fisheries), while France spent 0.79% and Germany 1.45%.

2018 EU report

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UK 9.2bn Euros

France 18.6bn Euros

Germany 48.6bn Euros

48.6 is just more than a tad greater than 9.2.
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It is not an even game, however, as richer or less indebted states have more scope to channel funds.
While Germany makes up for about a quarter of the EU’s GDP, it accounts for some 52% of the total value of the emergency coronavirus state aid cleared so far, Commission data shows.
France and Italy share joint second place, each with 17% of the total, and the Commission plans to maintain its hands-off approach till at least the end of 2020.
“There is clearly a risk of a breakdown of… the internal market in Europe,” a senior Spanish government official said.

We'd still have to stick to WTO state aid rules.

papa smurf

22-09-2020 12:54

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36051138)

Silly question I know, but where did you get your figures?:rolleyes:

A good question and where is the evidence/ link ?

Sephiroth

22-09-2020 13:18

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It’s all gone quiet on the Brexit negotiation front.

papa smurf

22-09-2020 13:27

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36051144)

It’s all gone quiet on the Brexit negotiation front.

The EU still has their army of 5th columnists helping out over here.

1andrew1

22-09-2020 13:32

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Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 36051115)

You do realise that Putin is trying to weaken the EU, don't you?

A very good question.

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Originally Posted by nomadking (Post 36051138)

Link

2018 EU report
48.6 is just more than a tad greater than 9.2.
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We'd still have to stick to WTO state aid rules.

My bad eyesight - apologies, you're correct on this point.

papa smurf

22-09-2020 13:32

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051146)

A very good question.

Then why is he supplying them with Gas oil and solid fuel?

1andrew1

22-09-2020 14:05

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Originally Posted by papa smurf (Post 36051148)

Then why is he supplying them with Gas oil and solid fuel?

What is your response to Hugh's question?

Russia supplies energy globally, not just to the EU. If Russia doesn't supply it then its thinking is someone else will, so it will earn the $.

papa smurf

22-09-2020 14:10

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Originally Posted by 1andrew1 (Post 36051151)

What is your response to Hugh's question?

Russia supplies energy globally, not just to the EU. If Russia doesn't supply it then its thinking is someone else will, so it will earn the $.

Weakening the EU by providing the fuel to boost it's economy and heat homes power cars trucks and trains, it's a bit of a poor strategy on vlads part.

1andrew1

22-09-2020 16:01

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Originally Posted by Sephiroth (Post 36051144)

It’s all gone quiet on the Brexit negotiation front.

They must have heard you!

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LONDON (Reuters) - EU chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier is due in London on Wednesday for informal Brexit talks, BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said on Twitter, citing EU sources.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknew...?ocid=msedgntp

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