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https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/our...ker-lockdowns/

Economists for circuit breakers.

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opinions are like bum holes


everyone has one;)

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but will it? when we have a vaccine and the vulnerable are vaccinated?

Because it's a novel virus there is by definition no immunity (ignoring the T-Cell theory for a moment)

How many might seasonal flu kill if there was no immunity and 15-20M weren't vaccinated annually?

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Oh there's lot's they can do! they could legislate that smoking in a confined space with children is illegal and abusive to children. Like they have done with cars!

Then the police will come a knocking when someone makes a complaint against you.

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A straw man comparison if ever I saw one.

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Left wing economists from the university of Viv Nicholson.

Let's shut it down, then start it up, then shut it down, then......repeat ad-infinitum

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We don't know I don't think.

I know what you're saying, that this is a new virus entirely and even/when it evolves it'll become like the flu in that our experiences of dealing with the previous version of the virus will allow our immune systems to adapt to it's evolved strains quicker.

But I don't think they know that for sure yet nor the long term ramifications of the virus. The reports of 'long COVID' and people having evidence of damage from it even if they were asymptomatic are not fully understood yet.

Either way it's going to be around forever it seems but the question is if it's better for all of us that first exposure is done via a vaccine rather than contracting the virus proper.

Even if we do give up and try a controlled spread as opposed to halting the virus then that'll likely involve trying to keep it very low over the winter months and opening up in spring again to avoid the flu season.

There are still so many unknowns I don't think you can fault the government for taking the cautious approach.

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"No limit" shouldn't mean a free for all. You still have to be selective about what you spend money on.

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no it isn't, it's perfectly sensible coherent argument.

Comparing the death rates of two viruses. One that we have a vaccine for and one that we don't - now that's nonsensical.

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There's no outcome that doesn't cause economic harm. You either choose to mitigate it or do not under the guise of it being too expensive. Yet there's no plan to pay the current £2trn of debt anyway!

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Hmmm. I suppose it's an interesting thought experiment. However I fail to see how useful such a comparison is. In the real world we do have a flu vaccine.

Nobody would ever countenance not distributing a flu vaccine. It's generally accepted in the civilised world we try to improve treatment outcomes.

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Quality infrastructure projects. You either pay for that our pay out on dole money anyway and have nothing to show for it. The private sector isn't coming to the rescue any time soon.

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thank the lord the pandemic is over.

I mean it's no longer a public health issue, just a financial settlement issue.

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Well, there's no point asking people to isolate if they haven't got the means to pay their bills during that time. Similarly, it the Government are pushing contact tracing onto local authorities after the failure of the private sector the least they can do is recognise the value of this work. £10bn for one that doesn't work is a nice big pie to spread among local authorities and NHS boards.

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BREAKING: Greater Manchester moves to Tier 3 from Midnight Thursday, the strictest of the lockdown tiers.

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The Government announced it during Burnham's press conference presumably thinking they'll catch him unawares but now BBC/Sky have footage they're replying of local leaders finding out about the lockdown via text messages.

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Looks like it.:D
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